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Hello, all. I wonder if I can ask what everyone thinks about this.

 

My sister has just found out that she's pregnant (5 weeks), and I'm

about four months ahead of her (18 weeks). They'll both be first

babies for both of us, so we've never done this before. When she went

to her doctor yesterday, they gave her a leaflet that said she needed

to eat 71 (!!) grams of protein every day.

 

I've been struggling to eat the 60 grams that I thought I needed (we

both are lacto-ovo vegetarians and eat organic cheese, eggs, milk,

etc.). But 71 grams is about the equivalent of a dozen eggs a day!

That's a tall order if you're not serving up a roast chicken or t-bone

every night.

 

So what have you been told about protein requirements during

pregnancy? My sister's doctor didn't seem very well informed about

vegetarianism in general, so we're doubting the advice. I've heard

that Americans tend to consume many times the amount of protein their

bodies need... and 71 grams a day seems like a lot to us, so we're

wondering if it's an overestimation. What do you think?

 

Best wishes,

Kerri

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Geez, I didn't get anywhere near that amount of protein while I was pregnant.

Both my little ones are healthy as can be. I think your doctor is exaggerating.

That's just my opinion. He may be trying to get you off your veg diet by saying

you need excessive amounts of protein. Just eat a good variety of healthy things

and you and your little one will be just fine. I never counted the nutrients in

what I ate. Except brussels sprouts. I had to have a 16 oz. bag or more daily.

:) As long as you're eating healthy foods and not too many processed things you

and baby should be fine. Do plenty of walking and drink lots of water. I think

71 grams of protein per day is a bit much. Of course I'm not a doctor!! But

really if your doctor is expecting you to actually count the grams of protein

you eat... geez. If you and baby are doing well on what you're eating now, why

change it?

 

 

 

KerriCary <english wrote:

Hello, all. I wonder if I can ask what everyone thinks about this.

 

My sister has just found out that she's pregnant (5 weeks), and I'm

about four months ahead of her (18 weeks). They'll both be first

babies for both of us, so we've never done this before. When she went

to her doctor yesterday, they gave her a leaflet that said she needed

to eat 71 (!!) grams of protein every day.

 

I've been struggling to eat the 60 grams that I thought I needed (we

both are lacto-ovo vegetarians and eat organic cheese, eggs, milk,

etc.). But 71 grams is about the equivalent of a dozen eggs a day!

That's a tall order if you're not serving up a roast chicken or t-bone

every night.

 

So what have you been told about protein requirements during

pregnancy? My sister's doctor didn't seem very well informed about

vegetarianism in general, so we're doubting the advice. I've heard

that Americans tend to consume many times the amount of protein their

bodies need... and 71 grams a day seems like a lot to us, so we're

wondering if it's an overestimation. What do you think?

 

Best wishes,

Kerri

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>. When she went

>to her doctor yesterday, they gave her a leaflet that said she needed

>to eat 71 (!!) grams of protein every day.

I had to eat 109.

 

I was on a gestational diabetes diet and more or less ovo-lacto for

most of my pregnancy. When I went for my info session with the

dietician, I was one of about seven women in the room. We were all

asked to write down what we had had for lunch. I had eaten a peanut

butter sandwich on some super duper all natural wheat bread, an

apple and something else... and I remember listening to the other

women... chicken nuggets from Wendy's, cheeseburgers, not a

vegetable, fruit or fiber in the bunch. I managed to stump the

dietician a bit, as many of my foods weren't on the list. (Is

unsweetened soy milk a milk or a protein? Answer: protein with the

benefits of calcium without the sugar in milk. If almonds are a fat--

can I use them as a protein and if so how many?) I have the book from

the ADA right here... and this was my diet...Ironically, they gave me

more calories because of the type of food I ate.

 

Anyway, hope this helps:

 

2000 calories a day, 219 grams carbs, 109 grams protein and 75 grams fat

I had to eat six meals a day:

7 a.m. breakfast: 2 starch, 1 protein, 1 fat, 1 milk

9:30 snack: 1 fruit. 1 protein

12 noon lunch: 3 starch, 1 fruit, 2 protein, 1fat

2:30 snack: 1 starch, 1 protein

5 p.m. supper: 3 starch, 1 fruit, 3 proteins, 1 fat

8:30 snack: 1 milk, 1 starch, 1 protein

 

Sample protein servings:

1/4 cup cottage cheese, a one-inch cube of cheese, 1 egg, 8 Oz

unsweetened soy milk, 1 veggie dog, 1/2 cup of beans, peas or

lentils, one veg breakfast sausage patty, 1/4 cup tempeh (Yes, tempeh

was listed in the book), 4 oz or 1/2 cup tofu (get soft and mix with

canned pumpkin for pudding), 1 TBSP peanut butter, 12 almonds (I got

unsalted ones)

 

I ate 9 of these servings a day. And a salad every day at lunch. One

of my drinks was to mix about 3 ozs of decaf into a tall glass of

soymilk and ice it. Gave me calcium and protein. 90 percent of my

morning snacks were fruit with a side of cottage cheese (Light and

Lively large curd, it's the only one I could stomach) I didn't eat

cottage cheese again for six months and even then I only ate it once.

And I ate peanut butter once a week. My family doesn't have food

allergies so I opted for the nut butters.

 

I bought almonds in huge containers. Ate at least six a day. My

husband would give me cheese and crackers for some of my afternoon

snacks, and for a special treat we would get veggie pepperoni and I'd

get that with crackers. He also kept perfectly cut cubes of cheese in

baggies for me. Ate an egg for breakfast 2 to 3 times a week.

 

Hope this helps.

Angel A.

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Kerri,

 

Congrats on the double pregnancies!

 

I agree that it would be a good idea to look into

finding a more compatible doctor. There are so many

choices to be made while pregnant, and even more after

the baby is born. Might as well take that journey

with a medical professional who respects and is

knowledgeable about your vegetarianism.

 

In terms of nutrition questions, why not start by

checking out the VRG website itself? Here's the link

to Pregnancy in a Vegan Family:

 

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/veganpregnancy.htm

 

There's a lot of useful info there, even though you're

not fully vegan.

 

Also, keep in mind that there will probably be times

in your pregnancy where you find it difficult to eat

certain foods, or even ANYTHING! The baby's taking

what it can from what is stored in your body, so a

short-term lag in nutrition isn't the end of the

world. Do keep taking the folic acid, though!

 

Good luck,

 

Liz

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i am a student midwife and nutrition is the cornerstone of everything i am

studying. i second everything kadee said. i didn't count my nutrients for

either pregnancy. i also didn't measure my weight. but i did watch what i

ate very carefully. i made sure to get a huge variety of unprocessed

organic foods and tons of fluids. i kept food charts here and there to

monitor my variety and get a general idea of nutrients, just because i have

a hard time with appetite in pregnancy and i wanted to make sure i was in

fact eating occasionally, LOL. your body and your baby will let you know if

you are deficient. trust your instincts. it should not be difficult to

grow a healthy baby. it's sad that so many doctors try to convince women

that it is, and that they put a scare on moms about nutrition when most of

them eat so crappily themselves. most people in this country get 400 times

the protein they need. i wouldn't be concerned.

 

chandelle'

 

 

 

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Hi Kerri,

 

Congrats! Cousins the same age is cool! My kids both have cousins

their same age and they love getting together!

 

Everything others have said makes sense. Also take into consideration

the number of calories you will consume based on the different stages

of pregnancy. As your baby grows and you get bigger, your appetite

should increase and you should have no problem consuming plenty of

protein. Remember that plenty of plant foods contain protein. Pasta

(and all grain products) has protein, rice has protein (eat a LOT of

brown rice -- it is so healthy!) veggies have protein (eat a LOT your

baby will love them!) Beans have protein (eat a LOT! They are dellish

and they will help to keep you regular!). Snack on almonds, have some

tofu, add plenty of beans to your salads, have fun with food! Don't

concentrate on animal-base foods for protein. Veggie protein is best

for you and best for your baby. Make sure you are getting enough

fiber and drinking enough water. Good luck!

 

Tracy

 

On Jan 4, 2007, at 12:57 PM, KerriCary wrote:

 

> Hello, all. I wonder if I can ask what everyone thinks about this.

>

> My sister has just found out that she's pregnant (5 weeks), and I'm

> about four months ahead of her (18 weeks). They'll both be first

> babies for both of us, so we've never done this before. When she went

> to her doctor yesterday, they gave her a leaflet that said she needed

> to eat 71 (!!) grams of protein every day.

>

> I've been struggling to eat the 60 grams that I thought I needed (we

> both are lacto-ovo vegetarians and eat organic cheese, eggs, milk,

> etc.). But 71 grams is about the equivalent of a dozen eggs a day!

> That's a tall order if you're not serving up a roast chicken or t-bone

> every night.

>

> So what have you been told about protein requirements during

> pregnancy? My sister's doctor didn't seem very well informed about

> vegetarianism in general, so we're doubting the advice. I've heard

> that Americans tend to consume many times the amount of protein their

> bodies need... and 71 grams a day seems like a lot to us, so we're

> wondering if it's an overestimation. What do you think?

>

> Best wishes,

> Kerri

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Neither my doctor or my midwife talked me about what to eat while I was

pregnant. Once I was past the morning sickness (when I ate potato chips and

yoghurt for two months), I ate a variety of (mostly organic) whole grains, tofu,

beans, fruits and veggies. Oh, and about every two weeks I snuck away to a junk

food joint for onion rings and a grape nehi.

 

earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i am a student midwife

and nutrition is the cornerstone of everything i am

studying. i second everything kadee said. i didn't count my nutrients for

either pregnancy. i also didn't measure my weight. but i did watch what i

ate very carefully. i made sure to get a huge variety of unprocessed

organic foods and tons of fluids. i kept food charts here and there to

monitor my variety and get a general idea of nutrients, just because i have

a hard time with appetite in pregnancy and i wanted to make sure i was in

fact eating occasionally, LOL. your body and your baby will let you know if

you are deficient. trust your instincts. it should not be difficult to

grow a healthy baby. it's sad that so many doctors try to convince women

that it is, and that they put a scare on moms about nutrition when most of

them eat so crappily themselves. most people in this country get 400 times

the protein they need. i wouldn't be concerned.

 

chandelle'

 

 

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My doctor also never mentioned my diet. During my first pregnancy I

told him that I could not take the multivitamins because they made

me sick and at that time I also told him that I am vegan. He didn't

seem to care at all. He asked me once later if I take a B12

supplement and I told him that my soy milk is well fortified with

it. He said that was great and never another word. Boy, I cannot

imagine having had to deal with a different type of doctor.

Generally I never mention to doctors that I am vegan because I truly

believe that most don't know much about nutrition.

Jill

 

, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote:

>

> Neither my doctor or my midwife talked me about what to eat while

I was pregnant. Once I was past the morning sickness (when I ate

potato chips and yoghurt for two months), I ate a variety of (mostly

organic) whole grains, tofu, beans, fruits and veggies. Oh, and

about every two weeks I snuck away to a junk food joint for onion

rings and a grape nehi.

>

> earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i am a student

midwife and nutrition is the cornerstone of everything i am

> studying. i second everything kadee said. i didn't count my

nutrients for

> either pregnancy. i also didn't measure my weight. but i did watch

what i

> ate very carefully. i made sure to get a huge variety of

unprocessed

> organic foods and tons of fluids. i kept food charts here and

there to

> monitor my variety and get a general idea of nutrients, just

because i have

> a hard time with appetite in pregnancy and i wanted to make sure i

was in

> fact eating occasionally, LOL. your body and your baby will let

you know if

> you are deficient. trust your instincts. it should not be

difficult to

> grow a healthy baby. it's sad that so many doctors try to convince

women

> that it is, and that they put a scare on moms about nutrition when

most of

> them eat so crappily themselves. most people in this country get

400 times

> the protein they need. i wouldn't be concerned.

>

> chandelle'

>

>

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At the Air Force base we're at right now, I'm not ever going to say a single

word about our diet. They've called family services on us for having pet rodents

(exceptionally clean and well cared for, friendly rodents), so I don't know what

they'd do if they knew we fed them healthy food. They'd probably put us in jail

or something.

 

Neither of my doctors ever said anything about my diet. I wish all doctors would

make sure their patients were eating healthy foods though. I saw so very many

badly overweight women there in the doctor's office, and they're not doing

anybody any favors by eating junk food.

 

 

 

Jill Wenzel <jillben2005 wrote:

My doctor also never mentioned my diet. During my first pregnancy I

told him that I could not take the multivitamins because they made

me sick and at that time I also told him that I am vegan. He didn't

seem to care at all. He asked me once later if I take a B12

supplement and I told him that my soy milk is well fortified with

it. He said that was great and never another word. Boy, I cannot

imagine having had to deal with a different type of doctor.

Generally I never mention to doctors that I am vegan because I truly

believe that most don't know much about nutrition.

Jill

 

, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote:

>

> Neither my doctor or my midwife talked me about what to eat while

I was pregnant. Once I was past the morning sickness (when I ate

potato chips and yoghurt for two months), I ate a variety of (mostly

organic) whole grains, tofu, beans, fruits and veggies. Oh, and

about every two weeks I snuck away to a junk food joint for onion

rings and a grape nehi.

>

> earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i am a student

midwife and nutrition is the cornerstone of everything i am

> studying. i second everything kadee said. i didn't count my

nutrients for

> either pregnancy. i also didn't measure my weight. but i did watch

what i

> ate very carefully. i made sure to get a huge variety of

unprocessed

> organic foods and tons of fluids. i kept food charts here and

there to

> monitor my variety and get a general idea of nutrients, just

because i have

> a hard time with appetite in pregnancy and i wanted to make sure i

was in

> fact eating occasionally, LOL. your body and your baby will let

you know if

> you are deficient. trust your instincts. it should not be

difficult to

> grow a healthy baby. it's sad that so many doctors try to convince

women

> that it is, and that they put a scare on moms about nutrition when

most of

> them eat so crappily themselves. most people in this country get

400 times

> the protein they need. i wouldn't be concerned.

>

> chandelle'

>

>

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" they gave her a leaflet that said she needed

> to eat 71 (!!) grams of protein every day. "

 

 

The same amount, 71 grams, is actually recommended on a page at VRG (http://

www.vrg.org/nutrition/veganpregnancy.htm). But I bet you are getting more

protein than

you realize (as someone else already said)... don't just count protein foods,

count the

protein in other foods that are not considered protein food as well - it really

can add up!

Anyway, here is what it said about protein:

 

Protein

 

You will probably get lots of questions about whether or not you are getting

enough

protein. Current recommendations for protein in pregnancy call for 25 grams more

of

protein per day in the second and third trimesters for a total of 71 grams of

protein 4. One

study showed that the average non-pregnant vegan woman was eating 65 grams of

protein daily 5, almost enough to meet the needs during pregnancy. If your diet

is varied

and contains good protein sources such as soy products, beans, and grains, and

you are

gaining weight, you can relax and not worry about getting enough protein. Many

women

simply get the extra protein they need by eating more of the foods they usually

eat. As an

example, you can add 25 grams of protein to your usual diet by adding 1-1/2 cups

of

lentils or tofu, 2-1/2 cups of soy milk, or 2 large bagels.

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Kadee,

 

It is amazing what folks think, isn't it? I just had to reply because

my sister lived on base in FL and her neighbor had several rats and

no

one minded at all. And, a friend of mine was a vegan pediatrician on

base in Fl as well. Her patients were so healthy that they rarely

made

an appointement and she couldn't fill her prescription quota. It

seems

the contract with the pharmacy companies to give lower prices to the

military comes with a minimum sales quota per doctor. She had to

track

her patients with extra phone calls and forms. This was optimum

client

communication but she had so many new clients from referrals she was

slammed. How great is that? She was given a tough time but kept going

until retirement. (It may look like FL is more progressive but it

isn't.)

 

Oh, and I know this wasn't your point and you didn't mean to sound

negative, but there are many overweight vegans on healthy diets.

There are

even for them. I weigh more now that I have ever

weighed.

I have genetic neuro problems that prevent me from getting exercise.

The only

way I can maintain a good weight is a zero to low fat diet as

recommended by the McDougall camp and more exercise than most people

I

know would be willing to follow ( 2 -3 hours DAILY of cardio and

weight

training - absolutely no time off or I gain weight). However, now

that

I am sick, I can't do either one and I look like my family eating an

excessive SAD. My doctors' do think I would be much worse off symptom

and weight wise if I wasn't following a vegan diet. I know you

weren't

using this in your example but I thought I would point it as some new

vegans aren't aware it can happen. I have been given very

disapproving

looks by vegans who thought I was lying or didn't do anything but eat

chips all day long. Because of my situation, I am less judgemental in

my thinking but I have to be honest and say that I am still bad at

first impressions. I still initially think all overweight people are

eating a

SAD. Statistically most are.

Carrol

 

, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> At the Air Force base we're at right now, I'm not ever going to say

a

single word about our diet. They've called family services on us for

having pet rodents (exceptionally clean and well cared for, friendly

rodents), so I don't know what they'd do if they knew we fed them

healthy food. They'd probably put us in jail or something.

>

> Neither of my doctors ever said anything about my diet. I wish all

doctors would make sure their patients were eating healthy foods

though. I saw so very many badly overweight women there in the

doctor's

office, and they're not doing anybody any favors by eating junk food.

>

>

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I was always under the understanding that plant forms of protein are more

readily used by your body. Even if you are not eating as much protein as someone

consuming meat your body will make better use of what you have consumed.

Kelly

 

 

 

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I'm glad you're not eating junk, though. I'm sure your doctor is right that

you'd be much worse off if you ate what everyone else does. A good diet is

always beneficial! We're certainly not all supposed to look like supermodels. :)

I know I sure don't. But lately even with healthy food I'm not " thin " . I've got

a few extra pounds on me... not quite overweight but a far cry from that 100

lbs. I was in high school. I'd hate to see what I looked like if I ate what most

people ate!!

 

 

rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote:

Kadee,

 

It is amazing what folks think, isn't it? I just had to reply because

my sister lived on base in FL and her neighbor had several rats and

no

one minded at all. And, a friend of mine was a vegan pediatrician on

base in Fl as well. Her patients were so healthy that they rarely

made

an appointement and she couldn't fill her prescription quota. It

seems

the contract with the pharmacy companies to give lower prices to the

military comes with a minimum sales quota per doctor. She had to

track

her patients with extra phone calls and forms. This was optimum

client

communication but she had so many new clients from referrals she was

slammed. How great is that? She was given a tough time but kept going

until retirement. (It may look like FL is more progressive but it

isn't.)

 

Oh, and I know this wasn't your point and you didn't mean to sound

negative, but there are many overweight vegans on healthy diets.

There are

even for them. I weigh more now that I have ever

weighed.

I have genetic neuro problems that prevent me from getting exercise.

The only

way I can maintain a good weight is a zero to low fat diet as

recommended by the McDougall camp and more exercise than most people

I

know would be willing to follow ( 2 -3 hours DAILY of cardio and

weight

training - absolutely no time off or I gain weight). However, now

that

I am sick, I can't do either one and I look like my family eating an

excessive SAD. My doctors' do think I would be much worse off symptom

and weight wise if I wasn't following a vegan diet. I know you

weren't

using this in your example but I thought I would point it as some new

vegans aren't aware it can happen. I have been given very

disapproving

looks by vegans who thought I was lying or didn't do anything but eat

chips all day long. Because of my situation, I am less judgemental in

my thinking but I have to be honest and say that I am still bad at

first impressions. I still initially think all overweight people are

eating a

SAD. Statistically most are.

Carrol

 

, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> At the Air Force base we're at right now, I'm not ever going to say

a

single word about our diet. They've called family services on us for

having pet rodents (exceptionally clean and well cared for, friendly

rodents), so I don't know what they'd do if they knew we fed them

healthy food. They'd probably put us in jail or something.

>

> Neither of my doctors ever said anything about my diet. I wish all

doctors would make sure their patients were eating healthy foods

though. I saw so very many badly overweight women there in the

doctor's

office, and they're not doing anybody any favors by eating junk food.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll

stay warm the rest of his life.

 

" THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of Command

part 2 "

 

Check out my new , Classical 2 at

http://launch.classical2/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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