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The way I ensure my child gets a healthy, nutritious, well balanced diet every

day is this (in a nutshell):

 

For breakfast she eats oatmeal with flax oil, hemp seeds, packet of children's

powdered multivitamin, some powdered probiotic and rice milk coupled with a

serving of fruit. Therefore she gets her whole grain serving, protein, omega's

(from flax and hemp) and vitamins and probiotics for a healthy flora plus the

serving of fresh fruit and some freeze dried fruit for a snack.

 

snack - whole grain muffin or olives or fruit or puffed rice or cookie with

molassis or something of the sort

 

For lunch, she gets a vegetable serving or two, a whole grain with flax oil

and sometimes hemp seeds added (such as with brown rice or quinoa or millet), a

legume (such as lentils, mung beans, black eyed peas, etc...), avacado. I

sometimes add a little baked white or sweet potato.

 

Similar snack...

 

For dinner, exactly the same as lunch plus another serving of fruit.

 

So to summarize, she gets 2-3 servings of fruit a day, minimum 3 servings of

veggies per day, 3 servings of whole grains and 2 servings of legumes, and 1-2

servings of avacado. Anything else she gets is " extra " ..... You can't go wrong

by offering a well balanced diet ensure your child gets the proteins, fibers,

vitamins, minerals, omega's, iron and good fats. This allows me to avoid

counting her intake of grams, mcg, mg, etc..

 

ps... I make the grains and legumes in advance and freeze them in ice cube

size servings for about 1-2 months stock... I buy organic everything including

organic frozen veggies. I try to buy fresh fruit and veggies whenever possible

too. 15 minutes before lunch, I take out the portions she needs and steam the

veggies, legumes and grains. Slice the avacado, fruit and anything else and

we're good to go.

 

hilbro <hilbro wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

give me some good info or a system that work for them.

 

These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated!

 

1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

 

2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

protein as a growing boy.

 

I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

 

Thank you!

Hilary

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Omega 6s and 9s are in all the same foods that the 3s are in. Some foods are

more one than the others. Most people get too much 9s and 6s and not enough 3s.

We use silk enhanced that has omega 3s in it. We also try to eat foods made

from hemp or ground flaxseed as much as possible. I wouldn't worry so much

about the omegas. I didn't while I was pregnant - I didn't start looking at the

omegas in my diet until a couple of years ago.

Do make sure you take a good B complex though and consume foods fortified with

B12 (Silk enhanced over a healthy cereal; also some cereals have flax in them if

you look for it).

I didn't worry about too much soy during my pregnancy at all. My daughter is

perfectly healthy. No signs of pre-pubescency from her. I think she'll be a

late bloomer like me (genetics) and lack of hormones from cow's milk. Not that

I really drank milk as a kid either though.

www.vrg.org www.vegfamily.com and www.vegetarianbaby.com are all really great

websites to check out about pregnancy concerns.

Renee

 

 

 

 

 

hilbro <hilbro

 

Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:03:24 PM

Help with nutrition

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello,

 

I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

 

ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

 

becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

 

have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

 

really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

 

a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

 

my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

 

healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

 

wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

 

I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

 

already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

 

There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

 

give me some good info or a system that work for them.

 

 

 

These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

 

appreciated!

 

 

 

1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

 

and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

 

much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

 

6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

 

couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

 

 

 

2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

 

studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

 

child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

 

disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

 

switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

 

tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

 

patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

 

protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

 

suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

 

anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

 

and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

 

of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

 

giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

 

protein as a growing boy.

 

 

 

I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

 

I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

 

 

 

Thank you!

 

Hilary

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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i only have a few minutes, but i will try to address some of your questions.

 

there has been a lot of backlash against soy. some of it is well-founded.

however, when you look closely at the studies that cite issues with early

puberty, genital development, etc., you'll find that the intakes of soy were

vastly above what the average person eats, and that the soy they were using

was SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, which is what is commonly used in things like

protein shakes. SPI is so far beyond what soy is really like, because of

its processing, that i wouldn't even consider it a soy product. it's like

comparing a supplement to a food. when you eat an actual food, there are

lots of complex interactions occurring that are missed when you isolate a

particular nutrient - which is my beef with supplements, but that's another

story. :) i do watch our soy intake, because i think too much of anything

is a bad thing. but what i watch most of all is WHAT KIND of soy we get.

we try to eat our foods as close to the source as possible, so especially

with soy, i make sure the produce has gone through minimal processing. so,

while we tend to avoid lots of fake meat products, we eat lots of edamame,

miso, and tofu, and we make our own soymilk.

 

>>tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

>>patty, etc.)

 

that is NOT the place you should be getting your soy. those products might

be nice every once in a while, but as processed as they are i would not

think they were much healthier for you than eating meat.

 

i will say this. substituting cow's milk for soy because you're concerned

about genital issues/puberty is most definitely counterproductive. the

hormones in cow's milk are linked to early puberty in a much more definitive

way than soy. (and those studies apply whether the cow is so-called

" free-range " or not - a dubious label if ever there was one.) and those

hormones are also likely the reason why drinking cow's milk increases the

risk of reproductive and breast cancers. plus, milk is also connected to

all kinds of other yucky cancers, like prostate and bowel, and it's bad for

your bones and your brain, and is just nasty all around. as for pregnancy,

as a student midwife i would be much more concerned to have a client

drinking lots of cow's milk than one drinking lots of soymilk.

 

i was vegan through my last pregnancy, and i gained about 20 pounds and had

a chunky 8-pound baby girl at home. i had lots of soy throughout both of my

pregnancies and have raised my 2-year-old vegan from birth, and our

pediatrician and midwives have said our children are the healthiest they've

ever seen! every few weeks i do an assessment of our diet and add or

subtract what i think we need, but we're always doing great. doing a food

chart for a few days, writing down everything you and your son eat, might

put your mind at ease, and if not, then you know where to make changes.

 

the book " raising vegan children in a non-vegan world " has great information

on child nutrition and where to get nutrients from non-animal sources.

 

i only have a minute more, but three other excellent sources of omegas are

flaxseeds, hemp seeds, and algae. fish have such high omega levels because

they eat algae. but eating fish carries risk of heavy metal toxicity, plus

you're contributing to overfishing and global warming, and you've had

something killed so you can eat! bummer all around to eat fish. buy some

nuts and seeds and/or some algae tablets at the health food store and eat in

peace.

 

it's much more important to get omega 3s, but the main thing is to get MORE

omega 3s than omega 6s. too many 6s is unhealthy. 6s are generally very

easy to get, so throw some ground flaxseed in your oatmeal and call it a

day.

 

happy eating!

chandelle'

 

On 1/20/07, hilbro <hilbro wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

> ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

> becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

> have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

> really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

> a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

> my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

> healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

> wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

> I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

> already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

> There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

> give me some good info or a system that work for them.

>

> These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated!

>

> 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

> and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

> much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

> 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

> couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

>

> 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

> studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

> child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

> disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

> switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

> tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

> patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

> protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

> suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

> anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

> and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

> of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

> giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

> protein as a growing boy.

>

> I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

> I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

>

> Thank you!

> Hilary

>

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

> provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

> professional.

>

>

>

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Hilary,

 

Sorry this is going to be long, but you had several important questions! (This

first part on

omega 3s I posted before on these boards... I just cheated and just copied it

and pasted it

here):

 

It is true that your body needs to convert some of the Omega-3 in flax and

walnuts

(known as ALA or LNA in some circles) into EPA and then some of that into DHA so

that

your body has all three kinds. It is hard to know how much you convert because

everyone

converts different amounts and maybe convert better at some times than others.

In

general, women seem to convert better than men, most likely to provide the extra

for

babies in utero and later, for breastfeeding. Certain vitamins and mineral

deficiencies can

inhibit the conversion since they are used as co-factors, so of course it is

important to eat

a well-balanced diet and perhaps take a multi-vitamin to ensure adequate intake.

Also,

too many Omega-6 fatty acids in the diet can inhibit conversion through

competition, so

take care not to overdo iton the vegetable oils such as corn, sunflower,

safflower (olive oil

is mostly omega 9 I think so it is okay...) Vegetarian sources of LNA other than

flax are

canola oil, walnuts, and tofu. Chickens are good converters of LNA to both EPA

and DHA.

Since you do eat organic eggs, you could seek out the ones known as " omega eggs "

where

the chickens' diet is supplemented with flax or algae, making the eggs a good

source of

omega 3s. (I think some of the non-organic " omega-eggs " are acheived by

supplementing

the chikens' diet with fish meal, so you may want to be sure that the chickens

are fed

vegetarian feed). Algae is where omega3s in fish originally come from (krill

eat algae, little

fish eat krill, bigger fish eat little fish....). There are a couple of vegan

algae-derived DHA

supplements on the market. I like Dr. Fuhrman's DHA which is available at

drfuhrman dot

com. I think he may also has information about this subject on his website as he

advocates

vegetarian diets. Therefore, if you eat plant sources of omega3s and supplement

with DHA

and include omega eggs, as well as eat a well balanced diet and stay away from

too

many omega6s, I would think you could feel comfortable about covering your

omega-3

bases!

 

Omega 6s are super easy to get. It is estimated by some that the ratio of omega

6s to

omega 3s in diets in the US is anywhere from 10:1 to 25:1. I have heard

differing ideas on

an ideal ratio, usually around 2:1. Omega 6s are plentiful, being the dominant

fat in most

vegetable oils other than flax oil. They are extremely easy to get in a

vegetarian diet.

 

Okay, now on to soy... Most of the internet paranioa surrounding soy is just

that, paranoia!

Whole or minimally processed soy foods have been eaten for centuries in Asia.

We

shouldn't be scared of a food that is, according to The Oxford Companion to

Food, " …one

of the great staple foods of the world, ranks with wheat and rice in importance

and

outstrips both in the richness of nourishment it provides. The peoples of China,

Japan, and

all SE Asia, who generally have

little or no meat in their diet, are sustained by the soya bean's high content

of PROTEIN:

35%, far beyond that of any other plant. " Although the origin of the soybean is

shrouded

in legend, it is believed that it may have been domesticated in China by the 3rd

millennium BC. Around 2700 BC. The legendary Chinese emperor Shen Nung is said

to

have ordered plants to be classified in terms of both food and medicinal value,

and

soybeans were among the five principal and sacred crops. The oldest methods of

preparing green, immature soybeans were by roasting or by soaking, grinding, and

cooking. Mature soybeans were processed in much the same manner but requiring a

longer cooking time. Although it is true that fermented soy products such as

miso,

tempeh, and natto are traditional soy foods, so are unfermented soy foods such

as tofu

and soymilk. Fermentation started during the Chou dynasty, probably to add

flavor to the

rather bland soybean, but unfermented products did not fall out of favor.

Although the

commercial soymilk available here in the US has been treated to make it more

acceptable

to the American palate, which is more accustomed to cow's milk, the Chinese, who

are

not so accustomed, have drunk (untreated in this way) soymilk with pleasure

since

ancient times.

 

Here is what some nutrition experts (MDs and RDs, etc) have to say about this

soy

paranoia:

 

HERE IS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, MPH, RD

(THIS ARTICLE CAN BE FOUND HERE:

http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219)

 

Should Men Worry About Estrogens in Soy?

Posted: January 15, 2001

 

As an almost vegan, I consume a lot of soy. As a 21-year-old guy, I was

wondering if the

estrogen in soy that is so good for women might be doing weird abnormal stuff to

me like

reducing my testosterone levels. If so, how bad is this? Should I be consuming

less soymilk

and tofu?

 

Soybeans contain plant forms of estrogen called phytoestrogens (the chemical

name is

isoflavones). Phytoestrogens have very weak estrogen-like activity but can also

act like

antiestrogens, reducing the effects of naturally-produced estrogen. This is one

reason that

soy might possibly be protective against the development of some types of breast

cancer

which are stimulated by estrogen.

There is no evidence that men who eat moderate amounts of soy experience any

feminizing effects, which is what I am guessing you are concerned about.

Certainly we

don't see these effects in cultures where daily consumption of soy is common.

There is some evidence that vegetarian men have somewhat lower blood

testosterone

levels than omnivore men. There are several possible explanations for this. Soy

consumption could certainly be one of them but the evidence for this is not very

clear. The

higher fiber intake of vegetarians could also affect testosterone levels. Also

dietary fat and

obesity increase testosterone levels and vegetarians tend to eat less fat and be

slimmer.

But before you bolt for dinner at the nearest steakhouse, let's put this into

perspective.

There is no evidence that vegetarian men have testosterone levels that are too

low. There

is a range of what is normal and as long as you are in that range, there is no

advantage to

being at the higher end of the range. In fact, being at the lower end of the

normal range

could have benefits. For example, lower testosterone levels are associated with

reduced

risk for prostate cancer in some studies. And, not surprisingly, there is

evidence that

consuming soy reduces risk for prostate cancer. This compares to the situation

in women.

Evidence suggests that vegetarian women have lower estrogen levels–perhaps for

the

same reasons noted above for testosterone. And this might help to protect

against breast

cancer.

Because the average American is a meat-eater, we have a tendency to base our

ideas of

what is normal or optimal based on what occurs in meat-eaters. Of course, we

know that

for many things this is not true. For example, " normal " cholesterol levels–the

levels

typically seen in meat eaters–are too high for good health. The situation for

testosterone

may be similar. Judging these levels based on those that occur in people eating

an

unhealthy diet doesn't make sense.

 

DR. ANDREW WEIL, MD WROTE THIS ARTICLE ADDRESSING " INTERNET PARANOIA ON THE

SUBJECT OF SOY "

 

this article can be found at: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575

 

Q

Rethinking Soy?

Your last articles about soy were written almost two years ago. Since that time,

there

appears to be more evidence that soy should be avoided with the exception of

properly

fermented products, like miso and tempeh. Have you changed your opinion?

A

Answer (Published 3/12/2004)

I'm aware of Internet paranoia on the subject of soy and the contention that

only

fermented soy is safe to consume. That is simply not true. Some of the best

forms of soy -

edamame, tofu and soy nuts - are unfermented and are much more likely to help

you than

hurt you.

Claims that unfermented soy foods (such as tofu and soy milk) contain toxins

that block

the action of enzymes needed to digest protein, and that these toxins cause

pancreatic

enlargement, cancer and stunted growth in animals are misleading. While soy does

contain

substances (trypsin inhibitors) that may adversely affect the pancreas in

animals, there's

no solid evidence that they cause similar problems in humans. Furthermore,

trypsin

inhibitors are found in all of the vegetables of the cabbage family as well as

in beans other

than soy.

Other concerns about soy safety focus on the following issues: 

• Breast cancer: Here, the idea is that high levels of isoflavones, active

ingredients

in soy that behave like estrogen in the body, may increase the risk of breast

cancer. While

high levels of isolated isoflavones may do so, it appears that the total mix of

weak plant

estrogens in soy protects the body's estrogen receptors. This protection may

reduce the

effects of excess estrogen exposure from such external sources as meats and

dairy

products from hormone-treated cows as well as artificial chemicals and

industrial

pollutants that act as foreign estrogens. Japanese women whose diets contain a

lot of soy

foods have only one-fifth the rate of breast cancer that occurs among Western

women.

• Thyroid Problems: Excess consumption of soy can affect thyroid function, but

only if you have a thyroid disorder to begin with or if you're not getting

enough iodine in

your diet (a rare deficiency in the United States). If you take medication for

hypothyroidism

(low thyroid), and are concerned about the effect of eating two daily servings

of soy, have

your thyroid levels checked regularly.

• Mineral absorption: The idea that substances in soy called phytates block

absorption of essential minerals is also in circulation, but there is no

scientific data

suggesting that soy consumption leads to mineral deficiency in humans.

 

All told, based on the evidence to date, I see no reason to worry about eating

soy foods,

whether fermented or not. I still recommend consuming one to two servings of soy

per

day, an amount equivalent to one cup of soy milk, or one half cup of tofu, soy

protein

(tempeh) or soy nuts.

Andrew Weil, M.D.

 

HERE IS A GREAT ARTICLE WRITTEN BY BRENDA DAVIS, REGISTERED DIETICIAN. IT CAN

BE

FOUND AT: http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm

Is Soy Safe??

Q & A with Brenda Davis, R.D.

 

Q: Is Soy Dangerous?

Q: I've been reading quite a bit about the dangers of consuming too much soy,

but to date

I have not figured out what those dangers are other than too much estrogen

production

with its consequences for higher cancer risk. A friend told me that a woman with

a

Vegetarian Nutrition course to her credit told her that she would recommend rice

beverage

over soy. Why? Would you kindly clarify this matter for me.

Thanks, ?

Joyce Ward, Winnipeg

?

A: Dear Joyce,

Thank you for the opportunity to provide some clarity about this issue. As you

may be

aware, soy has enjoyed considerable favourable press over the past decade. We

have seen

reports of soy reducing risk of heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis, and

reducing

symptoms of menopause. Just when soy seemed to be on top of the world, articles

and

websites began to appear claiming that this new-found health hero was really a

villain in

disguise. Soy bashers said all the hype about soy was really just propaganda,

and that in

truth, soy was not a health food, but rather a dangerous substance that should

be

carefully avoided by humans. In fact, anti-soy advocates claim that eating soy

raises risk

of cancer, osteoporosis, thyroid problems, birth defects, reproductive problems,

nutritional deficiencies and Alzheimer's disease. This has left consumer

wondering if soy is

really a saint or a sinner.

First, it is important to understand that soy is not something new. The soybean

has been

used for food for centuries, particularly in the Orient. Traditional forms of

soy foods

included fresh or frozen beans from the soy pod (called edamame ), soy milk,

tofu, and

fermented foods, such as tempeh, miso and soy sauce. More recently soy has

become a

huge hit in North America, with all of the traditional forms of soy widely

available in

addition to numerous others, such as soy nuts, soy-based meat analogues,

soy-based

protein beverages, soy chips, soy ice cream, soy yogurt, and the list goes on.

These

products have become staples for many vegetarians and vegans. So, the question

of the

safety of soy is one that certainly deserves serious consideration.

Let's briefly address a few of the major claims against soy. For more detailed

information

about each of these issues, the following websites are most helpful:

www.llu.edu//llu/vegetarian/soy2.html ?

www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm ?

www.soybean.com/drsuz.htm

 

Soy and Breast Cancer

Claim : Soy increases risk of breast cancer.

Among the very first health claims made for soy is that it may reduce incidence

of breast

cancer. It seemed so obvious when one compared the very low rates of breast

cancer in

Asian countries using large amounts of soy with rates in North American

countries that

used comparatively small amounts of soy. The risk reduction was thought to be

due to the

isoflavones (mainly genestein and daidzen) in soy. Isoflavones are a type of

phytoestrogen

(plant estrogen) that has been thought to interfere with the ability of the

potent human

form of estrogen to increase cell proliferation and, therefore, cancer risk.

However, studies

have been mixed. While some do indeed show soy acting as an anti-estrogen,

others

suggest soy may act as a weak estrogen itself, increasing cancer risk.

Interestingly, some

studies have shown that while small amounts of genestein increase cell growth,

large

amounts inhibit it. Finally, there is some evidence that women eating soy from

an early

age (especially during puberty) do reduce their breast cancer risk, while there

seems to be

less protection for those who begin to eat soy later in life.

Conclusion: We still do not know all the answers where soy and breast cancer are

concerned. However, the evidence is sufficient to say that soy consumption does

not

increase risk of breast cancer and may reduce risk in some people, especially if

soy is

consumed from an early age. For those who have estrogen-positive breast cancer,

it also

appears safe to use soy in moderation.

 

Soy and Thyroid

Claim : Soy contains natural chemicals known as goitrogens that interfere with

thyroid

function. These can cause an enlargement of the thyroid gland (a " goiter " ) and

symptoms

of hypothyroidism, such as lethargy, dullness, coldness, and depression.

It is true that soy contains goitrogens, as do many other foods such as

cruciferous

vegetables (cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, and brussel sprouts), sweet

potatoes, lima

beans, and millet. However, these foods have been found only to cause problems

when

iodine intake is low , because goitrogens do their damage by interfering with

the thyroid

gland's ability to utilize iodine. Between 1951 and 1961, several cases of

goiter were

diagnosed in infants who had been fed infant formula made from soy flour. These

cases

are frequently cited by the anti-soy lobbyists to prove soy damages thyroid

function

(especially in infants). But not a single case of goiter in infants has been

caused by soy

formula since the 1960s. At that time the soy formula base was changed from soy

flour to

soy protein isolates, which are low in goitrogens, and manufacturers began

fortifying soy

formula with iodine.

Soy does not cause thyroid problems in healthy, well-nourished people who are

not

deficient in iodine. However, people who do not have a reliable source of iodine

could

increase their risk of thyroid problems if they eat a lot of soy and/or other

foods rich in

goitrogens. Iodized salt, dairy products, and fish are the main dietary sources

of iodine,

and most multivitamin/mineral supplements provide the recommended daily

allowance. So

the answer is not to avoid soy or cruciferous vegetables, but to get enough

iodine.

Conclusion : There is no evidence that eating soy foods regularly causes thyroid

problems

in healthy people who include sufficient iodine in the diet.

Soy and Cognitive Function

Claim: Soyfoods, especially tofu, can cause mental deterioration and accelerate

aging.

One study done in Hawaii (the Honolulu Heart Study) found that Japanese-American

men

who ate the most tofu in middle age had the greatest mental deterioration and

dementia

as seniors. This study is widely cited as evidence that tofu may cause a

reduction in

cognitive function. Interestingly, there have been at least three other studies

that have

suggested that soy provides significant beneficial effects on cognitive

function. In addition

populations with relatively high soy intake (about a serving a day), including

people in Asia

and Seventh-day Adventists, experience lower rates of dementia than those

populations

who eat little if any soy. While this does not prove that soy is beneficial, it

does suggest

that moderate soy consumption is likely not detrimental.

Conclusion. The weight of the evidence suggests that soy may offer some benefits

to

cognitive function, although more research is needed before firm conclusions can

be made

on this issue.

 

What about soy versus rice milk? It all depends. If you are sensitive to soy or

use a lot of

soy products, you may wish to use fortified rice milk. However, my preference is

for soy –

especially for children. Soy is a much richer source of high quality protein,

vitamins and

minerals. It also contains isoflavones, which are protective for heart health

and against

osteoporosis. I think it tastes better too.

Brenda Davis is a registered dietitian in Kelowna, B.C., a globetrotting

lecturer and the

author of several books, including Why Vegan and The New Becoming Vegetarian .

 

Hilary, I have more articles if you are really interested!!! On a personal

level, I have been

veg about ten years (not as long as you) but my kids are 5 and 2. I was

obviously veg

during both pregnancies, and I ate tofu and drank soy milk several times a week,

even

daily with nothing but fabulous health, beautiful natural childbirths, and

exceedingly

healthy and bright (if I may say it) kids to show for it . Obviously you don't

want to base

your diet on one food source; variety is always key. And if you find a soy food

that has a

zillion additives and an ingredient list as long as your arm, common sense

dictates that it

is not be a " health " food. But don't be frightened by all of the fear-mongering

that takes

place on the internet.

 

I have a degree in Holistic Nutrition and have a special interest in veg/vegan

nutrition,

nutrition during pregnancy, and pediatric nutrition as well as soy issues. I

have a lot more

info if this doesn't seem like enough... feel free to email me directly at

karen @

beaufordres dot com if you have any more questions. I'd be happy to share what

I have

learned!!!

 

Warmly,

Karen

 

 

 

 

, " hilbro " <hilbro wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

> ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

> becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

> have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

> really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

> a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

> my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

> healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

> wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

> I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

> already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

> There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

> give me some good info or a system that work for them.

>

> These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated!

>

> 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

> and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

> much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

> 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

> couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

>

> 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

> studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

> child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

> disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

> switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

> tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

> patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

> protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

> suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

> anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

> and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

> of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

> giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

> protein as a growing boy.

>

> I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

> I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

>

> Thank you!

> Hilary

>

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, " hilbro " <hilbro wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

> ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

> becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

> have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

> really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

> a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

> my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

> healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

> wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

> I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

> already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

> There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

> give me some good info or a system that work for them.

>

> These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated!

>

> 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

> and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

> much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

> 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

> couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

>

> 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

> studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

> child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

> disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

> switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

> tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

> patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

> protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

> suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

> anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

> and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

> of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

> giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

> protein as a growing boy.

>

> I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

> I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

>

> Thank you!

> Hilary

>

Hi Hilary, I would recommend a book by Agatha Thrash called Vegetarian

Nutrition and anonther book by Michael Klaper called Vegan Nutrition:

Pure and Simple and he has many other good books even on being

vetetarian and pregnancy, both authours are good sources

Yours Sincerely

Colin Hammond

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, " hilbro " <hilbro wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

> ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

> becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

> have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

> really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

> a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

> my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

> healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

> wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

> I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

> already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

> There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

> give me some good info or a system that work for them.

>

> These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated!

>

> 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

> and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

> much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

> 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

> couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

>

> 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

> studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

> child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

> disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

> switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

> tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

> patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

> protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

> suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

> anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

> and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

> of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

> giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

> protein as a growing boy.

>

> I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

> I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

>

> Thank you!

> Hilary

>

Another thing, a great way to be, if you have all the colors of your

fruits and Vegetables in the one meal, this will give good nutrition,

plus not a good idea to mix your fruits and Vegies!! and example of

that is to have tomatoes, potatoes, brocoli and some garlic with

spring onions at the one meal, make it as colorful as possible esp for

your children

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Another thing, if you're only settling for cow's milk to avoid soy products, you

could always try rice milk. No soy, and it has lots of goodies in it without any

bad. My kids and hubby love it. I've never been a milk person so I haven't

actually tried it except for cooking.

 

earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i

only have a few minutes, but i will try to address some of your questions.

 

there has been a lot of backlash against soy. some of it is well-founded.

however, when you look closely at the studies that cite issues with early

puberty, genital development, etc., you'll find that the intakes of soy were

vastly above what the average person eats, and that the soy they were using

was SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, which is what is commonly used in things like

protein shakes. SPI is so far beyond what soy is really like, because of

its processing, that i wouldn't even consider it a soy product. it's like

comparing a supplement to a food. when you eat an actual food, there are

lots of complex interactions occurring that are missed when you isolate a

particular nutrient - which is my beef with supplements, but that's another

story. :) i do watch our soy intake, because i think too much of anything

is a bad thing. but what i watch most of all is WHAT KIND of soy we get.

we try to eat our foods as close to the source as possible, so especially

with soy, i make sure the produce has gone through minimal processing. so,

while we tend to avoid lots of fake meat products, we eat lots of edamame,

miso, and tofu, and we make our own soymilk.

 

>>tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

>>patty, etc.)

 

that is NOT the place you should be getting your soy. those products might

be nice every once in a while, but as processed as they are i would not

think they were much healthier for you than eating meat.

 

i will say this. substituting cow's milk for soy because you're concerned

about genital issues/puberty is most definitely counterproductive. the

hormones in cow's milk are linked to early puberty in a much more definitive

way than soy. (and those studies apply whether the cow is so-called

" free-range " or not - a dubious label if ever there was one.) and those

hormones are also likely the reason why drinking cow's milk increases the

risk of reproductive and breast cancers. plus, milk is also connected to

all kinds of other yucky cancers, like prostate and bowel, and it's bad for

your bones and your brain, and is just nasty all around. as for pregnancy,

as a student midwife i would be much more concerned to have a client

drinking lots of cow's milk than one drinking lots of soymilk.

 

i was vegan through my last pregnancy, and i gained about 20 pounds and had

a chunky 8-pound baby girl at home. i had lots of soy throughout both of my

pregnancies and have raised my 2-year-old vegan from birth, and our

pediatrician and midwives have said our children are the healthiest they've

ever seen! every few weeks i do an assessment of our diet and add or

subtract what i think we need, but we're always doing great. doing a food

chart for a few days, writing down everything you and your son eat, might

put your mind at ease, and if not, then you know where to make changes.

 

the book " raising vegan children in a non-vegan world " has great information

on child nutrition and where to get nutrients from non-animal sources.

 

i only have a minute more, but three other excellent sources of omegas are

flaxseeds, hemp seeds, and algae. fish have such high omega levels because

they eat algae. but eating fish carries risk of heavy metal toxicity, plus

you're contributing to overfishing and global warming, and you've had

something killed so you can eat! bummer all around to eat fish. buy some

nuts and seeds and/or some algae tablets at the health food store and eat in

peace.

 

it's much more important to get omega 3s, but the main thing is to get MORE

omega 3s than omega 6s. too many 6s is unhealthy. 6s are generally very

easy to get, so throw some ground flaxseed in your oatmeal and call it a

day.

 

happy eating!

chandelle'

 

On 1/20/07, hilbro <hilbro wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

> ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

> becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

> have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

> really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

> a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

> my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

> healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

> wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

> I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

> already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

> There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

> give me some good info or a system that work for them.

>

> These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated!

>

> 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

> and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

> much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

> 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

> couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

>

> 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

> studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

> child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

> disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

> switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

> tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

> patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

> protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

> suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

> anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

> and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

> of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

> giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

> protein as a growing boy.

>

> I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

> I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

>

> Thank you!

> Hilary

>

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

> provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

> professional.

>

>

>

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How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day!

 

Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: My daughter, an

extraordinarily bright 3 year-old, on occasion will eat nothing but crackers and

a few cups of rice milk in a single day. Picky little goof. If your little one

is getting lots of variety he'll be just fine. Fruits and vegetables and whole

grains. All good. Hemp oil actually has more omega whatevers (I've had a few

drinks... it's the 3s or 6s, whichever fish has) than fish! It has the perfect

balance of 3s and 6s for humans. Mix some in with a smoothie or pour it on

cereal. It has a nice nutty taste to it. As for the soy... treat it like you

would any other food. Moderation is key. Too much broccoli can supress the

thyroid and too much water can cause your blood cells to explode. But in

moderation both things are wonderful for you. Same with soy. Go for minimally

processed soy products like tofu instead of the soy patties or nuggets or

whatever (though those are very good!). If soy is all you eat, sure it'll

cause problems. But if you eat one serving of it

every day or every other day you're not going to hurt anybody. Beans have lots

of protein, and they're super easy to cook with no preservatives or other bad

things. Just rinse, cook all day on low in a Crock Pot and add some chopped

tomatoes and onions. It's a very filling, high-protein meal with absolutely

nothing bad for you in it. Pure benefit, unless your husband is a gas bag like

mine is. Then it can get ugly. Have them for lunch and then send him to the

store. :)

 

hilbro <hilbro wrote: Hello,

I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

give me some good info or a system that work for them.

 

These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated!

 

1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

 

2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

protein as a growing boy.

 

I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

 

Thank you!

Hilary

 

 

 

 

 

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I think pretty much you'd have to eat nothing but broccoli for weeks... once a

day is just fine. :)

 

Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote:

How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day!

 

Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: My daughter, an

extraordinarily bright 3 year-old, on occasion will eat nothing but crackers and

a few cups of rice milk in a single day. Picky little goof. If your little one

is getting lots of variety he'll be just fine. Fruits and vegetables and whole

grains. All good. Hemp oil actually has more omega whatevers (I've had a few

drinks... it's the 3s or 6s, whichever fish has) than fish! It has the perfect

balance of 3s and 6s for humans. Mix some in with a smoothie or pour it on

cereal. It has a nice nutty taste to it. As for the soy... treat it like you

would any other food. Moderation is key. Too much broccoli can supress the

thyroid and too much water can cause your blood cells to explode. But in

moderation both things are wonderful for you. Same with soy. Go for minimally

processed soy products like tofu instead of the soy patties or nuggets or

whatever (though those are very good!). If soy is all you eat, sure it'll

cause problems. But if you eat one serving of it

every day or every other day you're not going to hurt anybody. Beans have lots

of protein, and they're super easy to cook with no preservatives or other bad

things. Just rinse, cook all day on low in a Crock Pot and add some chopped

tomatoes and onions. It's a very filling, high-protein meal with absolutely

nothing bad for you in it. Pure benefit, unless your husband is a gas bag like

mine is. Then it can get ugly. Have them for lunch and then send him to the

store. :)

 

hilbro <hilbro wrote: Hello,

I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto-

ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and

becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I

have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I

really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs

a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said,

my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very

healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but

wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that

I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten

already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done.

There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can

give me some good info or a system that work for them.

 

These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated!

 

1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts

and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how

much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the

6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I

couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish.

 

2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were

studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the

child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital

disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk,

switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and

tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick

patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of

protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife

suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has

anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies

and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot

of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with

giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs

protein as a growing boy.

 

I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now.

I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say!

 

Thank you!

Hilary

 

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So that's what's wrong with him!

 

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My daughter always amuses waiters at restaurants. The funniest time was when she

was about a year and a half old, and the waiter was really sweet to her and

asked what she wanted to eat (not actually expecting a response since Leah had

been there coloring quietly the whole time), and she looked up and yelled,

" Broccoli! " He thought that was too funny and he brought her out a great big

bowl of steamed broccoli, which she ate every bite of. :)

 

Paul Falvo <pfalvo wrote: George

Bush Senior wouldn't eat ANY ...

 

Tricia McElwee wrote:

>

>

> How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day!

 

 

 

 

 

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i am always amused when i hear parents complain about their ids not eating

vegetables. these are usually families where, for most meals, they eat a

lot of junk...fried chicken, ice cream, snack foods, stuff like that. i'm

always thinking, would YOU eat vegetables or anything else healthy if you

were as addicted to junk food as you're making your kid be? my son is at

the age right now (2) when most kids have decided what they do or don't like

and become very fussy about eating. but not my kid. last night i made a

squash stew with a broccoli, carrot and mushroom saute (all vegan) and he

ate every bit of it and asked for more. he's very satisfied with fruit for

dessert. when we're out he'll often be eating something like an apple or

some carrot sticks and people will actually stop us and ask what we did to

make him eat fruits and veggies...like we have to bribe him or something.

once a cashier was laughing at how cute he was pulling stuff out of the bags

in the basket to eat, and she said, " at least the boy likes veggies! " i

laughed and said, that's pretty good 'cause that's ALL we eat! what you

feed a kid in the first two to three years will determine their preferences

for life. if i have done nothing else right as a parent, at least my child

will have no comprehension of soda, dairy-based junk, chocolate cake, candy

bars, potato chips, fried chicken or steak in the first three years (and

beyond) when his tastes are being decided. his favorite foods are almond

butter, brown rice, tofu, nutritional yeast sauce, spinach pasta, and

broccoli. his favorite dessert is homemade cherry fruit leather. the boy

is the healthiest any of our friends, midwives, family, or doctors have ever

seen! he's a poster child for veganism. i never have to defend our choice

anymore. when people ask about our nutrition, i just point at my kid and

they shut right up.

 

ok, enough bragging. :)

 

 

On 1/22/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

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> My daughter always amuses waiters at restaurants. The funniest time was

> when she was about a year and a half old, and the waiter was really sweet to

> her and asked what she wanted to eat (not actually expecting a response

> since Leah had been there coloring quietly the whole time), and she looked

> up and yelled, " Broccoli! " He thought that was too funny and he brought her

> out a great big bowl of steamed broccoli, which she ate every bite of. :)

>

> Paul Falvo <pfalvo

> wrote: George Bush Senior wouldn't eat ANY

> ...

>

> Tricia McElwee wrote:

> >

> >

> > How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a

> day!

>

>

>

>

>

> Kadee Sedtal

>

> Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and

> he'll stay warm the rest of his life.

>

> " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of

> Command part 2 "

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> http://launch.classical2/

 

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Hi

 

I'm new to the list, and my dd loves broccoli and cauliflower either

raw or frozen (she won't eat veggies cooked). She won't eat carrots,

though.

 

Many times in summer I give her a bag of frozen veggies as a snack.

She also loves most fruit, especially blueberries and oranges.

 

Maggie

San Ramon, CA

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At eleven, mine still loves to snack on frozen corn, peas and blueberries.

 

" maggiemacg " <maggiemacg wrote: Hi

 

I'm new to the list, and my dd loves broccoli and cauliflower either

raw or frozen (she won't eat veggies cooked). She won't eat carrots,

though.

 

Many times in summer I give her a bag of frozen veggies as a snack.

She also loves most fruit, especially blueberries and oranges.

 

Maggie

San Ramon, CA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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