Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 The way I ensure my child gets a healthy, nutritious, well balanced diet every day is this (in a nutshell): For breakfast she eats oatmeal with flax oil, hemp seeds, packet of children's powdered multivitamin, some powdered probiotic and rice milk coupled with a serving of fruit. Therefore she gets her whole grain serving, protein, omega's (from flax and hemp) and vitamins and probiotics for a healthy flora plus the serving of fresh fruit and some freeze dried fruit for a snack. snack - whole grain muffin or olives or fruit or puffed rice or cookie with molassis or something of the sort For lunch, she gets a vegetable serving or two, a whole grain with flax oil and sometimes hemp seeds added (such as with brown rice or quinoa or millet), a legume (such as lentils, mung beans, black eyed peas, etc...), avacado. I sometimes add a little baked white or sweet potato. Similar snack... For dinner, exactly the same as lunch plus another serving of fruit. So to summarize, she gets 2-3 servings of fruit a day, minimum 3 servings of veggies per day, 3 servings of whole grains and 2 servings of legumes, and 1-2 servings of avacado. Anything else she gets is " extra " ..... You can't go wrong by offering a well balanced diet ensure your child gets the proteins, fibers, vitamins, minerals, omega's, iron and good fats. This allows me to avoid counting her intake of grams, mcg, mg, etc.. ps... I make the grains and legumes in advance and freeze them in ice cube size servings for about 1-2 months stock... I buy organic everything including organic frozen veggies. I try to buy fresh fruit and veggies whenever possible too. 15 minutes before lunch, I take out the portions she needs and steam the veggies, legumes and grains. Slice the avacado, fruit and anything else and we're good to go. hilbro <hilbro wrote: Hello, I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can give me some good info or a system that work for them. These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs protein as a growing boy. I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! Thank you! Hilary " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Omega 6s and 9s are in all the same foods that the 3s are in. Some foods are more one than the others. Most people get too much 9s and 6s and not enough 3s. We use silk enhanced that has omega 3s in it. We also try to eat foods made from hemp or ground flaxseed as much as possible. I wouldn't worry so much about the omegas. I didn't while I was pregnant - I didn't start looking at the omegas in my diet until a couple of years ago. Do make sure you take a good B complex though and consume foods fortified with B12 (Silk enhanced over a healthy cereal; also some cereals have flax in them if you look for it). I didn't worry about too much soy during my pregnancy at all. My daughter is perfectly healthy. No signs of pre-pubescency from her. I think she'll be a late bloomer like me (genetics) and lack of hormones from cow's milk. Not that I really drank milk as a kid either though. www.vrg.org www.vegfamily.com and www.vegetarianbaby.com are all really great websites to check out about pregnancy concerns. Renee hilbro <hilbro Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:03:24 PM Help with nutrition Hello, I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can give me some good info or a system that work for them. These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs protein as a growing boy. I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! Thank you! 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Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 i only have a few minutes, but i will try to address some of your questions. there has been a lot of backlash against soy. some of it is well-founded. however, when you look closely at the studies that cite issues with early puberty, genital development, etc., you'll find that the intakes of soy were vastly above what the average person eats, and that the soy they were using was SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, which is what is commonly used in things like protein shakes. SPI is so far beyond what soy is really like, because of its processing, that i wouldn't even consider it a soy product. it's like comparing a supplement to a food. when you eat an actual food, there are lots of complex interactions occurring that are missed when you isolate a particular nutrient - which is my beef with supplements, but that's another story. i do watch our soy intake, because i think too much of anything is a bad thing. but what i watch most of all is WHAT KIND of soy we get. we try to eat our foods as close to the source as possible, so especially with soy, i make sure the produce has gone through minimal processing. so, while we tend to avoid lots of fake meat products, we eat lots of edamame, miso, and tofu, and we make our own soymilk. >>tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick >>patty, etc.) that is NOT the place you should be getting your soy. those products might be nice every once in a while, but as processed as they are i would not think they were much healthier for you than eating meat. i will say this. substituting cow's milk for soy because you're concerned about genital issues/puberty is most definitely counterproductive. the hormones in cow's milk are linked to early puberty in a much more definitive way than soy. (and those studies apply whether the cow is so-called " free-range " or not - a dubious label if ever there was one.) and those hormones are also likely the reason why drinking cow's milk increases the risk of reproductive and breast cancers. plus, milk is also connected to all kinds of other yucky cancers, like prostate and bowel, and it's bad for your bones and your brain, and is just nasty all around. as for pregnancy, as a student midwife i would be much more concerned to have a client drinking lots of cow's milk than one drinking lots of soymilk. i was vegan through my last pregnancy, and i gained about 20 pounds and had a chunky 8-pound baby girl at home. i had lots of soy throughout both of my pregnancies and have raised my 2-year-old vegan from birth, and our pediatrician and midwives have said our children are the healthiest they've ever seen! every few weeks i do an assessment of our diet and add or subtract what i think we need, but we're always doing great. doing a food chart for a few days, writing down everything you and your son eat, might put your mind at ease, and if not, then you know where to make changes. the book " raising vegan children in a non-vegan world " has great information on child nutrition and where to get nutrients from non-animal sources. i only have a minute more, but three other excellent sources of omegas are flaxseeds, hemp seeds, and algae. fish have such high omega levels because they eat algae. but eating fish carries risk of heavy metal toxicity, plus you're contributing to overfishing and global warming, and you've had something killed so you can eat! bummer all around to eat fish. buy some nuts and seeds and/or some algae tablets at the health food store and eat in peace. it's much more important to get omega 3s, but the main thing is to get MORE omega 3s than omega 6s. too many 6s is unhealthy. 6s are generally very easy to get, so throw some ground flaxseed in your oatmeal and call it a day. happy eating! chandelle' On 1/20/07, hilbro <hilbro wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- > ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and > becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I > have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I > really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs > a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, > my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very > healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but > wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that > I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten > already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. > There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can > give me some good info or a system that work for them. > > These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > > 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts > and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how > much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the > 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I > couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. > > 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were > studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the > child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital > disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, > switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and > tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick > patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of > protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife > suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has > anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies > and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot > of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with > giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs > protein as a growing boy. > > I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. > I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! > > Thank you! > Hilary > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Hilary, Sorry this is going to be long, but you had several important questions! (This first part on omega 3s I posted before on these boards... I just cheated and just copied it and pasted it here): It is true that your body needs to convert some of the Omega-3 in flax and walnuts (known as ALA or LNA in some circles) into EPA and then some of that into DHA so that your body has all three kinds. It is hard to know how much you convert because everyone converts different amounts and maybe convert better at some times than others. In general, women seem to convert better than men, most likely to provide the extra for babies in utero and later, for breastfeeding. Certain vitamins and mineral deficiencies can inhibit the conversion since they are used as co-factors, so of course it is important to eat a well-balanced diet and perhaps take a multi-vitamin to ensure adequate intake. Also, too many Omega-6 fatty acids in the diet can inhibit conversion through competition, so take care not to overdo iton the vegetable oils such as corn, sunflower, safflower (olive oil is mostly omega 9 I think so it is okay...) Vegetarian sources of LNA other than flax are canola oil, walnuts, and tofu. Chickens are good converters of LNA to both EPA and DHA. Since you do eat organic eggs, you could seek out the ones known as " omega eggs " where the chickens' diet is supplemented with flax or algae, making the eggs a good source of omega 3s. (I think some of the non-organic " omega-eggs " are acheived by supplementing the chikens' diet with fish meal, so you may want to be sure that the chickens are fed vegetarian feed). Algae is where omega3s in fish originally come from (krill eat algae, little fish eat krill, bigger fish eat little fish....). There are a couple of vegan algae-derived DHA supplements on the market. I like Dr. Fuhrman's DHA which is available at drfuhrman dot com. I think he may also has information about this subject on his website as he advocates vegetarian diets. Therefore, if you eat plant sources of omega3s and supplement with DHA and include omega eggs, as well as eat a well balanced diet and stay away from too many omega6s, I would think you could feel comfortable about covering your omega-3 bases! Omega 6s are super easy to get. It is estimated by some that the ratio of omega 6s to omega 3s in diets in the US is anywhere from 10:1 to 25:1. I have heard differing ideas on an ideal ratio, usually around 2:1. Omega 6s are plentiful, being the dominant fat in most vegetable oils other than flax oil. They are extremely easy to get in a vegetarian diet. Okay, now on to soy... Most of the internet paranioa surrounding soy is just that, paranoia! Whole or minimally processed soy foods have been eaten for centuries in Asia. We shouldn't be scared of a food that is, according to The Oxford Companion to Food, " …one of the great staple foods of the world, ranks with wheat and rice in importance and outstrips both in the richness of nourishment it provides. The peoples of China, Japan, and all SE Asia, who generally have little or no meat in their diet, are sustained by the soya bean's high content of PROTEIN: 35%, far beyond that of any other plant. " Although the origin of the soybean is shrouded in legend, it is believed that it may have been domesticated in China by the 3rd millennium BC. Around 2700 BC. The legendary Chinese emperor Shen Nung is said to have ordered plants to be classified in terms of both food and medicinal value, and soybeans were among the five principal and sacred crops. The oldest methods of preparing green, immature soybeans were by roasting or by soaking, grinding, and cooking. Mature soybeans were processed in much the same manner but requiring a longer cooking time. Although it is true that fermented soy products such as miso, tempeh, and natto are traditional soy foods, so are unfermented soy foods such as tofu and soymilk. Fermentation started during the Chou dynasty, probably to add flavor to the rather bland soybean, but unfermented products did not fall out of favor. Although the commercial soymilk available here in the US has been treated to make it more acceptable to the American palate, which is more accustomed to cow's milk, the Chinese, who are not so accustomed, have drunk (untreated in this way) soymilk with pleasure since ancient times. Here is what some nutrition experts (MDs and RDs, etc) have to say about this soy paranoia: HERE IS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, MPH, RD (THIS ARTICLE CAN BE FOUND HERE: http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219) Should Men Worry About Estrogens in Soy? Posted: January 15, 2001 As an almost vegan, I consume a lot of soy. As a 21-year-old guy, I was wondering if the estrogen in soy that is so good for women might be doing weird abnormal stuff to me like reducing my testosterone levels. If so, how bad is this? Should I be consuming less soymilk and tofu? Soybeans contain plant forms of estrogen called phytoestrogens (the chemical name is isoflavones). Phytoestrogens have very weak estrogen-like activity but can also act like antiestrogens, reducing the effects of naturally-produced estrogen. This is one reason that soy might possibly be protective against the development of some types of breast cancer which are stimulated by estrogen. There is no evidence that men who eat moderate amounts of soy experience any feminizing effects, which is what I am guessing you are concerned about. Certainly we don't see these effects in cultures where daily consumption of soy is common. There is some evidence that vegetarian men have somewhat lower blood testosterone levels than omnivore men. There are several possible explanations for this. Soy consumption could certainly be one of them but the evidence for this is not very clear. The higher fiber intake of vegetarians could also affect testosterone levels. Also dietary fat and obesity increase testosterone levels and vegetarians tend to eat less fat and be slimmer. But before you bolt for dinner at the nearest steakhouse, let's put this into perspective. There is no evidence that vegetarian men have testosterone levels that are too low. There is a range of what is normal and as long as you are in that range, there is no advantage to being at the higher end of the range. In fact, being at the lower end of the normal range could have benefits. For example, lower testosterone levels are associated with reduced risk for prostate cancer in some studies. And, not surprisingly, there is evidence that consuming soy reduces risk for prostate cancer. This compares to the situation in women. Evidence suggests that vegetarian women have lower estrogen levels–perhaps for the same reasons noted above for testosterone. And this might help to protect against breast cancer. Because the average American is a meat-eater, we have a tendency to base our ideas of what is normal or optimal based on what occurs in meat-eaters. Of course, we know that for many things this is not true. For example, " normal " cholesterol levels–the levels typically seen in meat eaters–are too high for good health. The situation for testosterone may be similar. Judging these levels based on those that occur in people eating an unhealthy diet doesn't make sense. DR. ANDREW WEIL, MD WROTE THIS ARTICLE ADDRESSING " INTERNET PARANOIA ON THE SUBJECT OF SOY " this article can be found at: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575 Q Rethinking Soy? Your last articles about soy were written almost two years ago. Since that time, there appears to be more evidence that soy should be avoided with the exception of properly fermented products, like miso and tempeh. Have you changed your opinion? A Answer (Published 3/12/2004) I'm aware of Internet paranoia on the subject of soy and the contention that only fermented soy is safe to consume. That is simply not true. Some of the best forms of soy - edamame, tofu and soy nuts - are unfermented and are much more likely to help you than hurt you. Claims that unfermented soy foods (such as tofu and soy milk) contain toxins that block the action of enzymes needed to digest protein, and that these toxins cause pancreatic enlargement, cancer and stunted growth in animals are misleading. While soy does contain substances (trypsin inhibitors) that may adversely affect the pancreas in animals, there's no solid evidence that they cause similar problems in humans. Furthermore, trypsin inhibitors are found in all of the vegetables of the cabbage family as well as in beans other than soy. Other concerns about soy safety focus on the following issues: • Breast cancer: Here, the idea is that high levels of isoflavones, active ingredients in soy that behave like estrogen in the body, may increase the risk of breast cancer. While high levels of isolated isoflavones may do so, it appears that the total mix of weak plant estrogens in soy protects the body's estrogen receptors. This protection may reduce the effects of excess estrogen exposure from such external sources as meats and dairy products from hormone-treated cows as well as artificial chemicals and industrial pollutants that act as foreign estrogens. Japanese women whose diets contain a lot of soy foods have only one-fifth the rate of breast cancer that occurs among Western women. • Thyroid Problems: Excess consumption of soy can affect thyroid function, but only if you have a thyroid disorder to begin with or if you're not getting enough iodine in your diet (a rare deficiency in the United States). If you take medication for hypothyroidism (low thyroid), and are concerned about the effect of eating two daily servings of soy, have your thyroid levels checked regularly. • Mineral absorption: The idea that substances in soy called phytates block absorption of essential minerals is also in circulation, but there is no scientific data suggesting that soy consumption leads to mineral deficiency in humans. All told, based on the evidence to date, I see no reason to worry about eating soy foods, whether fermented or not. I still recommend consuming one to two servings of soy per day, an amount equivalent to one cup of soy milk, or one half cup of tofu, soy protein (tempeh) or soy nuts. Andrew Weil, M.D. HERE IS A GREAT ARTICLE WRITTEN BY BRENDA DAVIS, REGISTERED DIETICIAN. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm Is Soy Safe?? Q & A with Brenda Davis, R.D. Q: Is Soy Dangerous? Q: I've been reading quite a bit about the dangers of consuming too much soy, but to date I have not figured out what those dangers are other than too much estrogen production with its consequences for higher cancer risk. A friend told me that a woman with a Vegetarian Nutrition course to her credit told her that she would recommend rice beverage over soy. Why? Would you kindly clarify this matter for me. Thanks, ? Joyce Ward, Winnipeg ? A: Dear Joyce, Thank you for the opportunity to provide some clarity about this issue. As you may be aware, soy has enjoyed considerable favourable press over the past decade. We have seen reports of soy reducing risk of heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis, and reducing symptoms of menopause. Just when soy seemed to be on top of the world, articles and websites began to appear claiming that this new-found health hero was really a villain in disguise. Soy bashers said all the hype about soy was really just propaganda, and that in truth, soy was not a health food, but rather a dangerous substance that should be carefully avoided by humans. In fact, anti-soy advocates claim that eating soy raises risk of cancer, osteoporosis, thyroid problems, birth defects, reproductive problems, nutritional deficiencies and Alzheimer's disease. This has left consumer wondering if soy is really a saint or a sinner. First, it is important to understand that soy is not something new. The soybean has been used for food for centuries, particularly in the Orient. Traditional forms of soy foods included fresh or frozen beans from the soy pod (called edamame ), soy milk, tofu, and fermented foods, such as tempeh, miso and soy sauce. More recently soy has become a huge hit in North America, with all of the traditional forms of soy widely available in addition to numerous others, such as soy nuts, soy-based meat analogues, soy-based protein beverages, soy chips, soy ice cream, soy yogurt, and the list goes on. These products have become staples for many vegetarians and vegans. So, the question of the safety of soy is one that certainly deserves serious consideration. Let's briefly address a few of the major claims against soy. For more detailed information about each of these issues, the following websites are most helpful: www.llu.edu//llu/vegetarian/soy2.html ? www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm ? www.soybean.com/drsuz.htm Soy and Breast Cancer Claim : Soy increases risk of breast cancer. Among the very first health claims made for soy is that it may reduce incidence of breast cancer. It seemed so obvious when one compared the very low rates of breast cancer in Asian countries using large amounts of soy with rates in North American countries that used comparatively small amounts of soy. The risk reduction was thought to be due to the isoflavones (mainly genestein and daidzen) in soy. Isoflavones are a type of phytoestrogen (plant estrogen) that has been thought to interfere with the ability of the potent human form of estrogen to increase cell proliferation and, therefore, cancer risk. However, studies have been mixed. While some do indeed show soy acting as an anti-estrogen, others suggest soy may act as a weak estrogen itself, increasing cancer risk. Interestingly, some studies have shown that while small amounts of genestein increase cell growth, large amounts inhibit it. Finally, there is some evidence that women eating soy from an early age (especially during puberty) do reduce their breast cancer risk, while there seems to be less protection for those who begin to eat soy later in life. Conclusion: We still do not know all the answers where soy and breast cancer are concerned. However, the evidence is sufficient to say that soy consumption does not increase risk of breast cancer and may reduce risk in some people, especially if soy is consumed from an early age. For those who have estrogen-positive breast cancer, it also appears safe to use soy in moderation. Soy and Thyroid Claim : Soy contains natural chemicals known as goitrogens that interfere with thyroid function. These can cause an enlargement of the thyroid gland (a " goiter " ) and symptoms of hypothyroidism, such as lethargy, dullness, coldness, and depression. It is true that soy contains goitrogens, as do many other foods such as cruciferous vegetables (cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, and brussel sprouts), sweet potatoes, lima beans, and millet. However, these foods have been found only to cause problems when iodine intake is low , because goitrogens do their damage by interfering with the thyroid gland's ability to utilize iodine. Between 1951 and 1961, several cases of goiter were diagnosed in infants who had been fed infant formula made from soy flour. These cases are frequently cited by the anti-soy lobbyists to prove soy damages thyroid function (especially in infants). But not a single case of goiter in infants has been caused by soy formula since the 1960s. At that time the soy formula base was changed from soy flour to soy protein isolates, which are low in goitrogens, and manufacturers began fortifying soy formula with iodine. Soy does not cause thyroid problems in healthy, well-nourished people who are not deficient in iodine. However, people who do not have a reliable source of iodine could increase their risk of thyroid problems if they eat a lot of soy and/or other foods rich in goitrogens. Iodized salt, dairy products, and fish are the main dietary sources of iodine, and most multivitamin/mineral supplements provide the recommended daily allowance. So the answer is not to avoid soy or cruciferous vegetables, but to get enough iodine. Conclusion : There is no evidence that eating soy foods regularly causes thyroid problems in healthy people who include sufficient iodine in the diet. Soy and Cognitive Function Claim: Soyfoods, especially tofu, can cause mental deterioration and accelerate aging. One study done in Hawaii (the Honolulu Heart Study) found that Japanese-American men who ate the most tofu in middle age had the greatest mental deterioration and dementia as seniors. This study is widely cited as evidence that tofu may cause a reduction in cognitive function. Interestingly, there have been at least three other studies that have suggested that soy provides significant beneficial effects on cognitive function. In addition populations with relatively high soy intake (about a serving a day), including people in Asia and Seventh-day Adventists, experience lower rates of dementia than those populations who eat little if any soy. While this does not prove that soy is beneficial, it does suggest that moderate soy consumption is likely not detrimental. Conclusion. The weight of the evidence suggests that soy may offer some benefits to cognitive function, although more research is needed before firm conclusions can be made on this issue. What about soy versus rice milk? It all depends. If you are sensitive to soy or use a lot of soy products, you may wish to use fortified rice milk. However, my preference is for soy – especially for children. Soy is a much richer source of high quality protein, vitamins and minerals. It also contains isoflavones, which are protective for heart health and against osteoporosis. I think it tastes better too. Brenda Davis is a registered dietitian in Kelowna, B.C., a globetrotting lecturer and the author of several books, including Why Vegan and The New Becoming Vegetarian . Hilary, I have more articles if you are really interested!!! On a personal level, I have been veg about ten years (not as long as you) but my kids are 5 and 2. I was obviously veg during both pregnancies, and I ate tofu and drank soy milk several times a week, even daily with nothing but fabulous health, beautiful natural childbirths, and exceedingly healthy and bright (if I may say it) kids to show for it . Obviously you don't want to base your diet on one food source; variety is always key. And if you find a soy food that has a zillion additives and an ingredient list as long as your arm, common sense dictates that it is not be a " health " food. But don't be frightened by all of the fear-mongering that takes place on the internet. I have a degree in Holistic Nutrition and have a special interest in veg/vegan nutrition, nutrition during pregnancy, and pediatric nutrition as well as soy issues. I have a lot more info if this doesn't seem like enough... feel free to email me directly at karen @ beaufordres dot com if you have any more questions. I'd be happy to share what I have learned!!! Warmly, Karen , " hilbro " <hilbro wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- > ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and > becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I > have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I > really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs > a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, > my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very > healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but > wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that > I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten > already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. > There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can > give me some good info or a system that work for them. > > These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > > 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts > and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how > much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the > 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I > couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. > > 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were > studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the > child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital > disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, > switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and > tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick > patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of > protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife > suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has > anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies > and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot > of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with > giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs > protein as a growing boy. > > I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. > I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! > > Thank you! > Hilary > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 , " hilbro " <hilbro wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- > ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and > becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I > have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I > really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs > a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, > my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very > healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but > wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that > I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten > already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. > There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can > give me some good info or a system that work for them. > > These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > > 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts > and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how > much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the > 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I > couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. > > 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were > studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the > child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital > disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, > switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and > tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick > patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of > protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife > suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has > anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies > and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot > of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with > giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs > protein as a growing boy. > > I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. > I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! > > Thank you! > Hilary > Hi Hilary, I would recommend a book by Agatha Thrash called Vegetarian Nutrition and anonther book by Michael Klaper called Vegan Nutrition: Pure and Simple and he has many other good books even on being vetetarian and pregnancy, both authours are good sources Yours Sincerely Colin Hammond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 , " hilbro " <hilbro wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- > ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and > becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I > have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I > really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs > a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, > my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very > healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but > wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that > I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten > already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. > There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can > give me some good info or a system that work for them. > > These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > > 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts > and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how > much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the > 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I > couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. > > 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were > studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the > child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital > disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, > switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and > tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick > patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of > protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife > suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has > anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies > and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot > of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with > giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs > protein as a growing boy. > > I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. > I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! > > Thank you! > Hilary > Another thing, a great way to be, if you have all the colors of your fruits and Vegetables in the one meal, this will give good nutrition, plus not a good idea to mix your fruits and Vegies!! and example of that is to have tomatoes, potatoes, brocoli and some garlic with spring onions at the one meal, make it as colorful as possible esp for your children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Another thing, if you're only settling for cow's milk to avoid soy products, you could always try rice milk. No soy, and it has lots of goodies in it without any bad. My kids and hubby love it. I've never been a milk person so I haven't actually tried it except for cooking. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i only have a few minutes, but i will try to address some of your questions. there has been a lot of backlash against soy. some of it is well-founded. however, when you look closely at the studies that cite issues with early puberty, genital development, etc., you'll find that the intakes of soy were vastly above what the average person eats, and that the soy they were using was SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, which is what is commonly used in things like protein shakes. SPI is so far beyond what soy is really like, because of its processing, that i wouldn't even consider it a soy product. it's like comparing a supplement to a food. when you eat an actual food, there are lots of complex interactions occurring that are missed when you isolate a particular nutrient - which is my beef with supplements, but that's another story. i do watch our soy intake, because i think too much of anything is a bad thing. but what i watch most of all is WHAT KIND of soy we get. we try to eat our foods as close to the source as possible, so especially with soy, i make sure the produce has gone through minimal processing. so, while we tend to avoid lots of fake meat products, we eat lots of edamame, miso, and tofu, and we make our own soymilk. >>tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick >>patty, etc.) that is NOT the place you should be getting your soy. those products might be nice every once in a while, but as processed as they are i would not think they were much healthier for you than eating meat. i will say this. substituting cow's milk for soy because you're concerned about genital issues/puberty is most definitely counterproductive. the hormones in cow's milk are linked to early puberty in a much more definitive way than soy. (and those studies apply whether the cow is so-called " free-range " or not - a dubious label if ever there was one.) and those hormones are also likely the reason why drinking cow's milk increases the risk of reproductive and breast cancers. plus, milk is also connected to all kinds of other yucky cancers, like prostate and bowel, and it's bad for your bones and your brain, and is just nasty all around. as for pregnancy, as a student midwife i would be much more concerned to have a client drinking lots of cow's milk than one drinking lots of soymilk. i was vegan through my last pregnancy, and i gained about 20 pounds and had a chunky 8-pound baby girl at home. i had lots of soy throughout both of my pregnancies and have raised my 2-year-old vegan from birth, and our pediatrician and midwives have said our children are the healthiest they've ever seen! every few weeks i do an assessment of our diet and add or subtract what i think we need, but we're always doing great. doing a food chart for a few days, writing down everything you and your son eat, might put your mind at ease, and if not, then you know where to make changes. the book " raising vegan children in a non-vegan world " has great information on child nutrition and where to get nutrients from non-animal sources. i only have a minute more, but three other excellent sources of omegas are flaxseeds, hemp seeds, and algae. fish have such high omega levels because they eat algae. but eating fish carries risk of heavy metal toxicity, plus you're contributing to overfishing and global warming, and you've had something killed so you can eat! bummer all around to eat fish. buy some nuts and seeds and/or some algae tablets at the health food store and eat in peace. it's much more important to get omega 3s, but the main thing is to get MORE omega 3s than omega 6s. too many 6s is unhealthy. 6s are generally very easy to get, so throw some ground flaxseed in your oatmeal and call it a day. happy eating! chandelle' On 1/20/07, hilbro <hilbro wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- > ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and > becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I > have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I > really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs > a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, > my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very > healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but > wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that > I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten > already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. > There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can > give me some good info or a system that work for them. > > These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated! > > 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts > and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how > much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the > 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I > couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. > > 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were > studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the > child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital > disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, > switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and > tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick > patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of > protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife > suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has > anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies > and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot > of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with > giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs > protein as a growing boy. > > I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. > I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! > > Thank you! > Hilary > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day! Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: My daughter, an extraordinarily bright 3 year-old, on occasion will eat nothing but crackers and a few cups of rice milk in a single day. Picky little goof. If your little one is getting lots of variety he'll be just fine. Fruits and vegetables and whole grains. All good. Hemp oil actually has more omega whatevers (I've had a few drinks... it's the 3s or 6s, whichever fish has) than fish! It has the perfect balance of 3s and 6s for humans. Mix some in with a smoothie or pour it on cereal. It has a nice nutty taste to it. As for the soy... treat it like you would any other food. Moderation is key. Too much broccoli can supress the thyroid and too much water can cause your blood cells to explode. But in moderation both things are wonderful for you. Same with soy. Go for minimally processed soy products like tofu instead of the soy patties or nuggets or whatever (though those are very good!). If soy is all you eat, sure it'll cause problems. But if you eat one serving of it every day or every other day you're not going to hurt anybody. Beans have lots of protein, and they're super easy to cook with no preservatives or other bad things. Just rinse, cook all day on low in a Crock Pot and add some chopped tomatoes and onions. It's a very filling, high-protein meal with absolutely nothing bad for you in it. Pure benefit, unless your husband is a gas bag like mine is. Then it can get ugly. Have them for lunch and then send him to the store. hilbro <hilbro wrote: Hello, I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can give me some good info or a system that work for them. These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs protein as a growing boy. I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! Thank you! Hilary Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of Command part 2 " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I think pretty much you'd have to eat nothing but broccoli for weeks... once a day is just fine. Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day! Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: My daughter, an extraordinarily bright 3 year-old, on occasion will eat nothing but crackers and a few cups of rice milk in a single day. Picky little goof. If your little one is getting lots of variety he'll be just fine. Fruits and vegetables and whole grains. All good. Hemp oil actually has more omega whatevers (I've had a few drinks... it's the 3s or 6s, whichever fish has) than fish! It has the perfect balance of 3s and 6s for humans. Mix some in with a smoothie or pour it on cereal. It has a nice nutty taste to it. As for the soy... treat it like you would any other food. Moderation is key. Too much broccoli can supress the thyroid and too much water can cause your blood cells to explode. But in moderation both things are wonderful for you. Same with soy. Go for minimally processed soy products like tofu instead of the soy patties or nuggets or whatever (though those are very good!). If soy is all you eat, sure it'll cause problems. But if you eat one serving of it every day or every other day you're not going to hurt anybody. Beans have lots of protein, and they're super easy to cook with no preservatives or other bad things. Just rinse, cook all day on low in a Crock Pot and add some chopped tomatoes and onions. It's a very filling, high-protein meal with absolutely nothing bad for you in it. Pure benefit, unless your husband is a gas bag like mine is. Then it can get ugly. Have them for lunch and then send him to the store. hilbro <hilbro wrote: Hello, I am looking for some guidance here on vegetarian nutrition (lacto- ovo)to help ease my anxiety with raising a vegetarian child and becoming pregnant again while continuing my vegetarian practices. I have been vegetarian for 17 years, so this isn't new to me, but I really have entered a higher level of awareness of nutritional needs a few years ago, before deciding to start a family. That being said, my now 2 year old toddler is really a very bright child and very healthy, so I know I must be doing just fine, but I can't help but wonder if I'm missing something obvious and find it frustrating that I am constantly going over and over in my head what he's eaten already and what I need to make sure he gets before the day is done. There has to be a book, a website, or some people out there that can give me some good info or a system that work for them. These are my basic concerns - any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! 1 - Omega 3s and 6's - the 3's I've learned are in Eggs and Walnuts and Avacados - what are other easy and good sources of this and how much/often is a two year old supposed to get? Where am I to find the 6's and are they as important as the 3's? I was once told that I couldn't meet the omega needs unless I ate fish. 2 - When I was pregnant, half way through I learned that there were studies done that reported too much soy was not a good thing for the child as it could lead to extremely early puberty or genital disformities among other things. So I stopped drinking soy milk, switched to cow (sadly, but at least drank free-range organic) and tried to limit my soy intake to once a day (veggie burger, chick patty, etc.). That made it very hard to meet the minimum 60 grams of protein each day and I gained a lot of weight before the midwife suggested that I ease up on the protein mission a bit. SO, has anyone here eaten soy with no concern throughout their pregnancies and have perfectly healthy children? I would like to hear that a lot of you didn't worry about your soy intake! I am concerned with giving my son too much soy for the same reasons, but know he needs protein as a growing boy. I guess this is long enough for a post so I'll end it here for now. I certainly look forward to hearing what you have to say! Thank you! Hilary Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of Command part 2 " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 George Bush Senior wouldn't eat ANY ... Tricia McElwee wrote: > > > How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 So that's what's wrong with him! Paul Falvo <pfalvo wrote: George Bush Senior wouldn't eat ANY ... Tricia McElwee wrote: > > > How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day! " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 My daughter always amuses waiters at restaurants. The funniest time was when she was about a year and a half old, and the waiter was really sweet to her and asked what she wanted to eat (not actually expecting a response since Leah had been there coloring quietly the whole time), and she looked up and yelled, " Broccoli! " He thought that was too funny and he brought her out a great big bowl of steamed broccoli, which she ate every bite of. Paul Falvo <pfalvo wrote: George Bush Senior wouldn't eat ANY ... Tricia McElwee wrote: > > > How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a day! Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of Command part 2 " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 i am always amused when i hear parents complain about their ids not eating vegetables. these are usually families where, for most meals, they eat a lot of junk...fried chicken, ice cream, snack foods, stuff like that. i'm always thinking, would YOU eat vegetables or anything else healthy if you were as addicted to junk food as you're making your kid be? my son is at the age right now (2) when most kids have decided what they do or don't like and become very fussy about eating. but not my kid. last night i made a squash stew with a broccoli, carrot and mushroom saute (all vegan) and he ate every bit of it and asked for more. he's very satisfied with fruit for dessert. when we're out he'll often be eating something like an apple or some carrot sticks and people will actually stop us and ask what we did to make him eat fruits and veggies...like we have to bribe him or something. once a cashier was laughing at how cute he was pulling stuff out of the bags in the basket to eat, and she said, " at least the boy likes veggies! " i laughed and said, that's pretty good 'cause that's ALL we eat! what you feed a kid in the first two to three years will determine their preferences for life. if i have done nothing else right as a parent, at least my child will have no comprehension of soda, dairy-based junk, chocolate cake, candy bars, potato chips, fried chicken or steak in the first three years (and beyond) when his tastes are being decided. his favorite foods are almond butter, brown rice, tofu, nutritional yeast sauce, spinach pasta, and broccoli. his favorite dessert is homemade cherry fruit leather. the boy is the healthiest any of our friends, midwives, family, or doctors have ever seen! he's a poster child for veganism. i never have to defend our choice anymore. when people ask about our nutrition, i just point at my kid and they shut right up. ok, enough bragging. On 1/22/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > My daughter always amuses waiters at restaurants. The funniest time was > when she was about a year and a half old, and the waiter was really sweet to > her and asked what she wanted to eat (not actually expecting a response > since Leah had been there coloring quietly the whole time), and she looked > up and yelled, " Broccoli! " He thought that was too funny and he brought her > out a great big bowl of steamed broccoli, which she ate every bite of. > > Paul Falvo <pfalvo > wrote: George Bush Senior wouldn't eat ANY > ... > > Tricia McElwee wrote: > > > > > > How much is too much broccoli? My daughter loves it and has it once a > day! > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and > he'll stay warm the rest of his life. > > " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of > Command part 2 " > > Check out my new , Classical 2 at > http://launch.classical2/ > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Hi I'm new to the list, and my dd loves broccoli and cauliflower either raw or frozen (she won't eat veggies cooked). She won't eat carrots, though. Many times in summer I give her a bag of frozen veggies as a snack. She also loves most fruit, especially blueberries and oranges. Maggie San Ramon, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 At eleven, mine still loves to snack on frozen corn, peas and blueberries. " maggiemacg " <maggiemacg wrote: Hi I'm new to the list, and my dd loves broccoli and cauliflower either raw or frozen (she won't eat veggies cooked). She won't eat carrots, though. Many times in summer I give her a bag of frozen veggies as a snack. She also loves most fruit, especially blueberries and oranges. Maggie San Ramon, CA Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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