Thanks for help with nutrition - follow up questions

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Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply to my " Help With

Nutrition " post. I really do appreciate it. I was not aware of Hemp

Oil before this - I had tried flax seed oil in the past but couldn't

get it down no matter what I mixed it it, so I look forward to trying

out my newly purchased bottle of hemp oil. And Karen, your article

cut n' pastes were good reading! And Kadee M - your post was helpful

and funny too! I have to get a crockpot - didn't think there was

that much a vegetarian could use them for but what you suggested

sounds good and easy (I'm no Martha Stewart). I picked up some Rice

milk yesterday too, I had forgotten all about that. Though, now it

seems that all of you and your children are thriving by drinking soy

milk so maybe I'll just go that route. I suppose this isn't a place

where I'm supposed to ramble on about EVERYTHING that pops into my

head, but please know that I truly apprecaite all of your replies!

 

One more question (for now) - Chandelle mentioned the hormones in

milk being terrible, which I was aware of, but it sounded like even

organic free-range has these hormones? Did I understand this right?

And doesn't free-range have to be free-range? I know there are lots

of sneaky tricks out there with labeling, so I really would love to

know what you've learned about this.

 

Ok, a second question - so not all Eggs contain Omega-3's? I never

thought to think that only certain eggs would and were labeled so

(thought they just slapped that Omega 3 label on some of the brands

to make it stand out and sound better for you).

 

Thanks again, and have a wonderful day,

Hilary

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free-range is BS. it's not well-regulated. a standard farmer using

hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides on his herd could have his cows out of

the feedlot for five minutes a day and call it " free-range. " same with

" organic " meats and dairy. all those labels mean is that the food the

farmer is feeding his feedlot cows is organic. it says nothing about their

living conditions, and the fact that those cows end up at the same

slaughterhouse, where they will be infected with the same conditions as any

other cow and their meat mixed up with everyone else's meat and so

contaminated with the bacteria from cows who were not fed organic or who

received antibiotics and hormones, really negates the extra effort you might

feel you're putting forth to buy " free-range " or " organic. " here's a good

article about it:

 

http://www.goveg.com/organic.asp

 

the reason that it doesn't matter if your milk comes from cows GIVEN

hormones, besides the aforementioned slaughterhouse issue, is that ALL cows

produce hormones naturally that cause breast and reproductive cancers.

cow's milk is for baby cows, not humans. if you eat dairy, your body will

suffer the consequences of that nutritional dissonance.

 

one problem with the " organic, " " free-range, " " antibiotic-free, " etc.,

labels is that almost invariably, the standards of living for those animals

has not changed. one reason cows are pumped so full of antibiotics is

because of their living conditions. serious disease is rampant. for most

" organic " establishments, because the living conditions have not changed,

all you're getting is diseased milk and meat. here's a good quote:

 

" Organic cow's milk is loaded with as much saturated fat and cholesterol as

regular milk, and it is often contaminated with pus and blood from cows who

had udder infections and weren't given medicine because, if they were, the

farmers wouldn't be able to label their milk organic. According to physician

and author Dr. Michael Greger, " The dairy herd is sick—these are sick and

diseased cows, producing pus-filled milk that even industry standards call

'unhealthful.' "

 

chickens must be in natural light to create omega-3s in their eggs. crated

chickens' eggs might have omega-3s by default but not nearly at the level

that outdoor chickens would. so, when people see " omega-3 eggs " they assume

that those chickens are truly free-range and feel really good about buying

them. and that, of course, is exactly what they want you to think. in case

you haven't noticed, omega-3 eggs are way expensive. most people assume

that farmers would want to jump on the bandwagon and make some more money

and to do so they will become more humane farmers. please. most farmers

have solved this problem by cutting skylights in the roofs of their crate

warehouses, so some light filters through. voila, omega-3 eggs. that might

even qualify as " free-range. " even if it doesn't, they can still go ahead

and slap that label on their egg boxes because hey, most likely nobody's

going to check up on them anyway.

 

chandelle'

 

On 1/22/07, hilbro <hilbro wrote:

>

> Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply to my " Help With

> Nutrition " post. I really do appreciate it. I was not aware of Hemp

> Oil before this - I had tried flax seed oil in the past but couldn't

> get it down no matter what I mixed it it, so I look forward to trying

> out my newly purchased bottle of hemp oil. And Karen, your article

> cut n' pastes were good reading! And Kadee M - your post was helpful

> and funny too! I have to get a crockpot - didn't think there was

> that much a vegetarian could use them for but what you suggested

> sounds good and easy (I'm no Martha Stewart). I picked up some Rice

> milk yesterday too, I had forgotten all about that. Though, now it

> seems that all of you and your children are thriving by drinking soy

> milk so maybe I'll just go that route. I suppose this isn't a place

> where I'm supposed to ramble on about EVERYTHING that pops into my

> head, but please know that I truly apprecaite all of your replies!

>

> One more question (for now) - Chandelle mentioned the hormones in

> milk being terrible, which I was aware of, but it sounded like even

> organic free-range has these hormones? Did I understand this right?

> And doesn't free-range have to be free-range? I know there are lots

> of sneaky tricks out there with labeling, so I really would love to

> know what you've learned about this.

>

> Ok, a second question - so not all Eggs contain Omega-3's? I never

> thought to think that only certain eggs would and were labeled so

> (thought they just slapped that Omega 3 label on some of the brands

> to make it stand out and sound better for you).

>

> Thanks again, and have a wonderful day,

> Hilary

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

While I'm thinking about my Crock Pot- you can make a meeeean stew in there. V8,

vegetable broth, onion soup mix, potatoes, carrots, mushrooms, corn, canned lima

beans, tomatoes, garlic, onions; put it all in, turn it on, and that night you

have stew, which is WONDERFUL. That might be something to cook tomorrow... I'll

tell Jeff about it on the phone and he will be jealous! He loves my stew. And

you know what? His mother used to make something similar only it was some sort

of carcass floating around in there, and he HATED it. But he loves my stew.

 

With free-range... they say the cows have access to pasture. If they say it, the

cows must have access to pasture... though if that happens to be only five

minutes a day, they're still labeling it properly. And they still milk the cows

with machines that are not quite gentle, so the udders bleed and scab and

there's pus in the milk. Yummy!! I've been grossed out by milk ever since I read

that. What's almost funny (but gross at the same time) is PETA has a shirt that

says, " Got pus? Milk does. "

 

hilbro <hilbro wrote: Thank you all

so much for taking the time to reply to my " Help With

Nutrition " post. I really do appreciate it. I was not aware of Hemp

Oil before this - I had tried flax seed oil in the past but couldn't

get it down no matter what I mixed it it, so I look forward to trying

out my newly purchased bottle of hemp oil. And Karen, your article

cut n' pastes were good reading! And Kadee M - your post was helpful

and funny too! I have to get a crockpot - didn't think there was

that much a vegetarian could use them for but what you suggested

sounds good and easy (I'm no Martha Stewart). I picked up some Rice

milk yesterday too, I had forgotten all about that. Though, now it

seems that all of you and your children are thriving by drinking soy

milk so maybe I'll just go that route. I suppose this isn't a place

where I'm supposed to ramble on about EVERYTHING that pops into my

head, but please know that I truly apprecaite all of your replies!

 

One more question (for now) - Chandelle mentioned the hormones in

milk being terrible, which I was aware of, but it sounded like even

organic free-range has these hormones? Did I understand this right?

And doesn't free-range have to be free-range? I know there are lots

of sneaky tricks out there with labeling, so I really would love to

know what you've learned about this.

 

Ok, a second question - so not all Eggs contain Omega-3's? I never

thought to think that only certain eggs would and were labeled so

(thought they just slapped that Omega 3 label on some of the brands

to make it stand out and sound better for you).

 

Thanks again, and have a wonderful day,

Hilary

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hilary,

 

All eggs are definitely not the same! First of all, eggs from chickens that are

really, truly

free range definitely have a much better nutritional profile, including

omega-3s, even

without supplementing their feed. A lot of it has to do with the insects they

eat, as well as

sunlight and maybe other factors. You have several options, but I would

definitely avoid

standard supermarket eggs at any costs. I never order eggs in a restaurant! We

only eat

them at home when we know exactly where they came from.

 

Here is a good article outlining the nutritional differences in standard

supermarket eggs

and free-range eggs:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/eggs

 

The option that we have chosen in order to get our eggs is a CSA (community

supported

agriculture). This is a great way to get produce, and some CSAs also have eggs.

You can

visit the farm and see the way the chickens are raised. (Some CSAs even require

you

spend a certain number of hours each season working on the farm.) In my

opinion, this is

the best way to make sure the chickens are raised in a way you see fit. (Other

than raising

them yourself.) The CSA we belong to is a nearby cooperative of Mennonite

farmers. The

eggs we get are all different colors and sizes and the shells are so much harder

than

supermarket shells. Here is a link to a site which lets you find CSAs in your

area:

http://www.localharvest.org/

 

Another option would be to look for eggs that are fed an omega-3 supplemented

diet

(with flax seeds or algae) and are both organic and free-range, although as

someone

pointed out, this does not necessarily mean they are actually outside any

significant

amount of time eating insects and soaking up the sun, hence the need for

supplemented

feed. Here is a link to a company that raises their chickens in this way, will

let you visit,

and will also ship eggs to you:

http://www.countryhen.com/

 

Finally, you could raise the chickens yourself. I have no experience with that

at all. We

have definitely considered it, but we are afraid our dogs will eat up the

chickens... (BTW,

does anyone on these boards have experience raising chickens and dogs together?)

 

Granted, eggs are most likely going to be much more expensive when they are

raised

properly, but I will go out on a limb and guess that A) You wouldn't want your

hard earned

dollars going to support battery-farmed eggs and B) You wouldn't want eggs to be

the

mainstay of your diet.

 

Hope this helps clarify!

 

Warmly,

Karen