Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Hubby and I are having an argument. I have consistently told him to NOT feed our 2 y/o. He insists she need the calories. I insist that, at 42lbs (she's tall), if she's not hungry there's no need to force her to eat. I give her plenty of fruit and veggie snacks during the day. If she's not hungry at supper I'm not that worried. He insists that as a child he would go hungry rather than eat something he didn't like. So the first argument is - should he force her to eat or just let her eat what she wants? The second argument came afterwards with him saying she just doesn't like the food that I cook and I should make her something more plain. I don't agree, but the real argument was about what I cook. I tend to cook vegetables in with grains or beans. That's what most of the recipes in most of my cookbooks are - combinations. He insists that keeping them separate - as in a lot of sides without any spices - would appeal to her more (and him, too, I think). He says that when I combine foods I make them processed foods - even if I start out with all fresh ingredients. Anyone ever heard that argument before? Just irritated right now. Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I think when your daughter is hungry she will eat. My daughter is 3 now and right around the time she turned two she was ridiculously picky about food. She had I think it was two, maybe three things she would eat. This was for a couple of days. We weren't going to give her a ton of pasta or candy!! So she went hungry for a couple of days, and then after that those carrots I had for her looked a lot more appealing!! Kids aren't dumb. They know when they're hungry, and they know when you're serious. If you stand by your decision she'll eventually eat. Cooking vegetables with grains or beans doesn't leave them any more processed than if you cooked them separately!! Is your husband maybe trying to " suggest " that maybe he'd rather have his rice without the vegetables or something? I was quite freaked out a minute ago on the phone with my husband Jeff. He has been in Mississippi for nearly two weeks and he gets back on Saturday. I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and I asked him what his five favorite things to eat were so I could buy the ingredients and make it for him this next week. One of the things he said was these vegetable things I make. I mix a bunch of different vegetables in with some vegetable broth, a spoonful of margarine, and some garlic salt & garlic pepper. I didn't know he liked those so much! I just want to call his mother and rub it in that he's eating vegetables for me. He hated vegetables as a kid. Ha! Phyllis <none_ya wrote: Hubby and I are having an argument. I have consistently told him to NOT feed our 2 y/o. He insists she need the calories. I insist that, at 42lbs (she's tall), if she's not hungry there's no need to force her to eat. I give her plenty of fruit and veggie snacks during the day. If she's not hungry at supper I'm not that worried. He insists that as a child he would go hungry rather than eat something he didn't like. So the first argument is - should he force her to eat or just let her eat what she wants? The second argument came afterwards with him saying she just doesn't like the food that I cook and I should make her something more plain. I don't agree, but the real argument was about what I cook. I tend to cook vegetables in with grains or beans. That's what most of the recipes in most of my cookbooks are - combinations. He insists that keeping them separate - as in a lot of sides without any spices - would appeal to her more (and him, too, I think). He says that when I combine foods I make them processed foods - even if I start out with all fresh ingredients. Anyone ever heard that argument before? Just irritated right now. Phyllis Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of Command part 2 " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I should clarify - when I said that I wanted to just let her eat what she wanted - I meant what she wanted to eat that was served for the meal (not make a separate meal for her or let her eat cake or something). Are toddlers any more sensitive to the taste of spices? He keeps trying to say 'she's not used to it and she'd eat it if it were bland'. I've been serving her things with spices since she could eat so don't know why he keeps harping on this except that you're right - he's the one that wants things served individually without spices. How boring!!!! And THANK YOU on the " processed " comment. When he said it I thought he'd lost his mind. Still wondering about that ... , Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I think when your daughter is hungry she will eat. My daughter is 3 now and right around the time she turned two she was ridiculously picky about food. She had I think it was two, maybe three things she would eat. This was for a couple of days. We weren't going to give her a ton of pasta or candy!! So she went hungry for a couple of days, and then after that those carrots I had for her looked a lot more appealing!! Kids aren't dumb. They know when they're hungry, and they know when you're serious. If you stand by your decision she'll eventually eat. > Cooking vegetables with grains or beans doesn't leave them any more processed than if you cooked them separately!! Is your husband maybe trying to " suggest " that maybe he'd rather have his rice without the vegetables or something? I was quite freaked out a minute ago on the phone with my husband Jeff. He has been in Mississippi for nearly two weeks and he gets back on Saturday. I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and I asked him what his five favorite things to eat were so I could buy the ingredients and make it for him this next week. One of the things he said was these vegetable things I make. I mix a bunch of different vegetables in with some vegetable broth, a spoonful of margarine, and some garlic salt & garlic pepper. I didn't know he liked those so much! I just want to call his mother and rub it in that he's eating vegetables for me. He hated vegetables as a kid. Ha! > Kadee Sedtal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Most two year olds graze, rather than eat meals. By three, she should be able to sit at the table for family meals. If you force a child to eat, you are setting the child up for life long food issues food issues (anorexia through obesity). It sounds like your hubby has food issues (we have a child friend who won't eat foods that touch each other on her plate) left over from childhood, along with some potentially serious control issues. Like marriage, parenting is a partnership not a power struggle. You may want to consider a third party professional to help the two of you find a workable style of communication. As long as your child is eating a variety of colors of fruits and veggies, whole grains, good fats (avocado is great), etc., don't worry. Phyllis <none_ya wrote: Hubby and I are having an argument. I have consistently told him to NOT feed our 2 y/o. He insists she need the calories. I insist that, at 42lbs (she's tall), if she's not hungry there's no need to force her to eat. I give her plenty of fruit and veggie snacks during the day. If she's not hungry at supper I'm not that worried. He insists that as a child he would go hungry rather than eat something he didn't like. So the first argument is - should he force her to eat or just let her eat what she wants? The second argument came afterwards with him saying she just doesn't like the food that I cook and I should make her something more plain. I don't agree, but the real argument was about what I cook. I tend to cook vegetables in with grains or beans. That's what most of the recipes in most of my cookbooks are - combinations. He insists that keeping them separate - as in a lot of sides without any spices - would appeal to her more (and him, too, I think). He says that when I combine foods I make them processed foods - even if I start out with all fresh ingredients. Anyone ever heard that argument before? Just irritated right now. Phyllis Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 > So the first argument is - should he force >her to eat or just let her eat what she wants? I have a 2.5 year-old, I say you win. My child eats and eats and eats, on most days she outeats me, calorie wise, but some days she'll only have two bites of every meal. > He says >that when I combine foods I make them processed foods - even if I >start out with all fresh ingredients. Anyone ever heard that >argument before? > Huh? My toddler has never eaten more bland food than " spicy " counterparts. She turns her nose up at anything too bland. But then, she's been going out for Indian since she was 10 months old, same with Chinese, and she recently tried jalapeno poppers and loved them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 This is an interesting theory. Don't know how well it stands up. I nursed my son for over 2 yrs. No bottles. He hates spicy foods. He likes seasoned foods, garlic, ginger, other non " hot " spices. Laura in MD People who were bottle fed tend to not like spiced foods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I am going to guess that your spouse was bottle fed, not breast fed. People who were bottle fed tend to not like spiced foods. Let him keep his issues to himself and let your daughter experience flavors. Phyllis <none_ya wrote: I should clarify - when I said that I wanted to just let her eat what she wanted - I meant what she wanted to eat that was served for the meal (not make a separate meal for her or let her eat cake or something). Are toddlers any more sensitive to the taste of spices? He keeps trying to say 'she's not used to it and she'd eat it if it were bland'. I've been serving her things with spices since she could eat so don't know why he keeps harping on this except that you're right - he's the one that wants things served individually without spices. How boring!!!! And THANK YOU on the " processed " comment. When he said it I thought he'd lost his mind. Still wondering about that ... , Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I think when your daughter is hungry she will eat. My daughter is 3 now and right around the time she turned two she was ridiculously picky about food. She had I think it was two, maybe three things she would eat. This was for a couple of days. We weren't going to give her a ton of pasta or candy!! So she went hungry for a couple of days, and then after that those carrots I had for her looked a lot more appealing!! Kids aren't dumb. They know when they're hungry, and they know when you're serious. If you stand by your decision she'll eventually eat. > Cooking vegetables with grains or beans doesn't leave them any more processed than if you cooked them separately!! Is your husband maybe trying to " suggest " that maybe he'd rather have his rice without the vegetables or something? I was quite freaked out a minute ago on the phone with my husband Jeff. He has been in Mississippi for nearly two weeks and he gets back on Saturday. I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and I asked him what his five favorite things to eat were so I could buy the ingredients and make it for him this next week. One of the things he said was these vegetable things I make. I mix a bunch of different vegetables in with some vegetable broth, a spoonful of margarine, and some garlic salt & garlic pepper. I didn't know he liked those so much! I just want to call his mother and rub it in that he's eating vegetables for me. He hated vegetables as a kid. Ha! > Kadee Sedtal Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I hate to say that someone is completely off-base, especially when I don't know them at all, but the notion that cooking two raw ingredients together makes them " processed " food, akin to many of the products in the SAD, just seems to be way out there, you know? Yes, it's true that food tastes stronger to young children. Also, that it can take dozens of times trying a new taste before a child will like it. But it sounds like the child isn't having any problem with the spices....it's the adult man who doesn't want 'em!! It is a tough dilemma, because you can always add spice at the table -- although it won't taste as good as having been cooked with the food -- but you can't take it out. Still, it sounds more like a power/control issue by your husband than any actual concern about your child's eating habits. Good luck! Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I tend to agree with your husband as that has been the experience that we have had with our children. Books and other parents have shared the same conclusions. Most toddlers do prefer a more mild flavor and simple foods. Try cooking the grains separate from the veggies unless in a soup or something like that. You could combine them on your plate. As the toddler get older and more preschool and older, they will be more and more open to trying more seasoned foods. You can introduce more and more spiced flavors, the older they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I was only referring to agreeing with your husband about the milder flavors for kids, not anything else. - wwjd Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:25 AM Re: Re: Food requirements and processed food I tend to agree with your husband as that has been the experience that we have had with our children. Books and other parents have shared the same conclusions. Most toddlers do prefer a more mild flavor and simple foods. Try cooking the grains separate from the veggies unless in a soup or something like that. You could combine them on your plate. As the toddler get older and more preschool and older, they will be more and more open to trying more seasoned foods. You can introduce more and more spiced flavors, the older they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Well, kids taste buds are more sensitive to " hot " spices because they have not acclimated to them yet and their taste buds havent had time to dull from years of being exposed to " hot " foods but that does not mean that they should only eat bland foods. All spices aren't neccessarily " hot " , they are just flavorful. But, I know in some cultures they get kids used to " hot " spicy food at a very young age. The mother of a friend of mine, touches a hot pepper to her grandkid's tongue when they are only a few months old to get them prepared for spicy foods. My kids love indian, ethiopian, mexican, chinese food. All of these have lots of flavor and spices. , " Phyllis " <none_ya wrote: > Are toddlers any more sensitive to the taste of spices? He keeps > trying to say 'she's not used to it and she'd eat it if it were > bland'. I've been serving her things with spices since she could eat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 My husband over-seasons everything. The kids love it. My daughter eats hot sauce with her chips. I don't think they're sensitive to it, really. I think they're just as able to become addicted to it as we are. My kids don't like pasta without tons of seasoning (garlic salt, garlic pepper, onion powder, and Chachere's). I let them have that every once in a while, but for everything else I tell my husband to just give them some of his food before he puts on the seasoning. He's glad to see them liking his food, but really!! Too much!! Crazy cajun. Phyllis <none_ya wrote: I should clarify - when I said that I wanted to just let her eat what she wanted - I meant what she wanted to eat that was served for the meal (not make a separate meal for her or let her eat cake or something). Are toddlers any more sensitive to the taste of spices? He keeps trying to say 'she's not used to it and she'd eat it if it were bland'. I've been serving her things with spices since she could eat so don't know why he keeps harping on this except that you're right - he's the one that wants things served individually without spices. How boring!!!! And THANK YOU on the " processed " comment. When he said it I thought he'd lost his mind. Still wondering about that ... , Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I think when your daughter is hungry she will eat. My daughter is 3 now and right around the time she turned two she was ridiculously picky about food. She had I think it was two, maybe three things she would eat. This was for a couple of days. We weren't going to give her a ton of pasta or candy!! So she went hungry for a couple of days, and then after that those carrots I had for her looked a lot more appealing!! Kids aren't dumb. They know when they're hungry, and they know when you're serious. If you stand by your decision she'll eventually eat. > Cooking vegetables with grains or beans doesn't leave them any more processed than if you cooked them separately!! Is your husband maybe trying to " suggest " that maybe he'd rather have his rice without the vegetables or something? I was quite freaked out a minute ago on the phone with my husband Jeff. He has been in Mississippi for nearly two weeks and he gets back on Saturday. I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and I asked him what his five favorite things to eat were so I could buy the ingredients and make it for him this next week. One of the things he said was these vegetable things I make. I mix a bunch of different vegetables in with some vegetable broth, a spoonful of margarine, and some garlic salt & garlic pepper. I didn't know he liked those so much! I just want to call his mother and rub it in that he's eating vegetables for me. He hated vegetables as a kid. Ha! > Kadee Sedtal Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of Command part 2 " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 i recommend " super baby food " by ruth yaron. it's actually a book about making your own baby food, but it has lots of commentary about child nutrition and especially child food preferences. she says to avoid spices for most of the first year but after that most kids should do fine. my son was eating hot peppers by a year old, and he actually will not eat food that is bland anymore. he is quite the gourmand! maybe your husband is just confused. most people suggest having pretty bland foods for kids for a while, because they can't handle salt and other spices might be too strong. but after the first year most kids should do just fine (although it's still smart to limit salt somewhat, because of young kidneys). robin, where did you get your information that formula-fed kids don't like spices? i'm a lactation educator and i've never heard that before. it might make sense for the first few years, because breastmilk changes flavor according to what the mother eats, but i can't imagine that it would really affect an adult all that much. i think most of us were formula-fed unfortunately, but i also think few of us enjoy food that is naturally bland or un-spiced. also, this is just an aside, but i am trying to get people to distinguish between " bottle-fed " and " formula-fed. " this is primarily self-serving, because i have been unable to nurse either of my children, so i pump exclusively and get donor milk. so while both of my kids were bottle-fed, it was breastmilk. and lots of women pump for their babies for work and otherwise. because i would bristle at being asked if my kids were " bottle-fed, " since that usually indicated by default formula, and i got sick of explaining the distinction, i am trying to promote the use of " formula-feeding " as opposed to " bottle-feeding. " i am a HUGE lactivist - my work as a student midwife includes being a lactation educator on the side, and i sit on the board of the breastfeeding coalition in my state - and not being able to breastfeed my own kids was devastating to me. because of how difficult those experiences were, and how important i considered it that people understood that my kids WERE getting breastmilk and that i fed them skin-to-skin and never propped bottles or otherwise ignored the bond that feeding can create, i have really tried to promote a bit more sensitivity in this issue. i just suggest that, when referring to formula-feeding, they SAY " formula-feeding, " and not " bottle-feeding. " i think it provides a much more clear picture. i hope that makes sense. i'm not trying to be offensive, and my intent is not to protect the feelings of those who formula-feed, who IMO have always been protected, but of those who use bottles of breastmilk at any time, for any reason - especially those of us who MUST exclusively bottle-feed breastmilk (and there aren't as few of us as you might think). sorry to go so far OT. chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 You are correct, the study was formula fed vs. breatmilk fed. It was from the mid-90s (my sister is a nurse/midwife and had given me a copy). At the time I read an article, I did a very informal survey of everyone I knew and found that real life matched the study. I can check with my sister and see if she still has a copy. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i recommend " super baby food " by ruth yaron. it's actually a book about making your own baby food, but it has lots of commentary about child nutrition and especially child food preferences. she says to avoid spices for most of the first year but after that most kids should do fine. my son was eating hot peppers by a year old, and he actually will not eat food that is bland anymore. he is quite the gourmand! maybe your husband is just confused. most people suggest having pretty bland foods for kids for a while, because they can't handle salt and other spices might be too strong. but after the first year most kids should do just fine (although it's still smart to limit salt somewhat, because of young kidneys). robin, where did you get your information that formula-fed kids don't like spices? i'm a lactation educator and i've never heard that before. it might make sense for the first few years, because breastmilk changes flavor according to what the mother eats, but i can't imagine that it would really affect an adult all that much. i think most of us were formula-fed unfortunately, but i also think few of us enjoy food that is naturally bland or un-spiced. also, this is just an aside, but i am trying to get people to distinguish between " bottle-fed " and " formula-fed. " this is primarily self-serving, because i have been unable to nurse either of my children, so i pump exclusively and get donor milk. so while both of my kids were bottle-fed, it was breastmilk. and lots of women pump for their babies for work and otherwise. because i would bristle at being asked if my kids were " bottle-fed, " since that usually indicated by default formula, and i got sick of explaining the distinction, i am trying to promote the use of " formula-feeding " as opposed to " bottle-feeding. " i am a HUGE lactivist - my work as a student midwife includes being a lactation educator on the side, and i sit on the board of the breastfeeding coalition in my state - and not being able to breastfeed my own kids was devastating to me. because of how difficult those experiences were, and how important i considered it that people understood that my kids WERE getting breastmilk and that i fed them skin-to-skin and never propped bottles or otherwise ignored the bond that feeding can create, i have really tried to promote a bit more sensitivity in this issue. i just suggest that, when referring to formula-feeding, they SAY " formula-feeding, " and not " bottle-feeding. " i think it provides a much more clear picture. i hope that makes sense. i'm not trying to be offensive, and my intent is not to protect the feelings of those who formula-feed, who IMO have always been protected, but of those who use bottles of breastmilk at any time, for any reason - especially those of us who MUST exclusively bottle-feed breastmilk (and there aren't as few of us as you might think). sorry to go so far OT. chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 My kids have always eaten everything. My 2 year old eats almost everything I eat. My opinion is they eat what they get used to. Carol Phyllis <none_ya wrote: I should clarify - when I said that I wanted to just let her eat what she wanted - I meant what she wanted to eat that was served for the meal (not make a separate meal for her or let her eat cake or something). Are toddlers any more sensitive to the taste of spices? He keeps trying to say 'she's not used to it and she'd eat it if it were bland'. I've been serving her things with spices since she could eat so don't know why he keeps harping on this except that you're right - he's the one that wants things served individually without spices. How boring!!!! And THANK YOU on the " processed " comment. When he said it I thought he'd lost his mind. Still wondering about that ... , Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I think when your daughter is hungry she will eat. My daughter is 3 now and right around the time she turned two she was ridiculously picky about food. She had I think it was two, maybe three things she would eat. This was for a couple of days. We weren't going to give her a ton of pasta or candy!! So she went hungry for a couple of days, and then after that those carrots I had for her looked a lot more appealing!! Kids aren't dumb. They know when they're hungry, and they know when you're serious. If you stand by your decision she'll eventually eat. > Cooking vegetables with grains or beans doesn't leave them any more processed than if you cooked them separately!! Is your husband maybe trying to " suggest " that maybe he'd rather have his rice without the vegetables or something? I was quite freaked out a minute ago on the phone with my husband Jeff. He has been in Mississippi for nearly two weeks and he gets back on Saturday. I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and I asked him what his five favorite things to eat were so I could buy the ingredients and make it for him this next week. One of the things he said was these vegetable things I make. I mix a bunch of different vegetables in with some vegetable broth, a spoonful of margarine, and some garlic salt & garlic pepper. I didn't know he liked those so much! I just want to call his mother and rub it in that he's eating vegetables for me. He hated vegetables as a kid. Ha! > Kadee Sedtal Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I have to agree. My 2 year old hardly eats at all. I'm not sure what keeps her going. When my oldest, age 12, was a toddler and not eating the pediatrician told me she'll eat when she's hungry. As long as she's healthy don't worry. So, now I let her eat when she's hungry and leave her alone when she's not. She gets the same food as everyone else, I don't short order cook, but I keep plenty a good snacks on hand for in between. One of her favorites is grape tomatoes (which I cut in half so she won't choke). Carol Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: I think when your daughter is hungry she will eat. My daughter is 3 now and right around the time she turned two she was ridiculously picky about food. She had I think it was two, maybe three things she would eat. This was for a couple of days. We weren't going to give her a ton of pasta or candy!! So she went hungry for a couple of days, and then after that those carrots I had for her looked a lot more appealing!! Kids aren't dumb. They know when they're hungry, and they know when you're serious. If you stand by your decision she'll eventually eat. Cooking vegetables with grains or beans doesn't leave them any more processed than if you cooked them separately!! Is your husband maybe trying to " suggest " that maybe he'd rather have his rice without the vegetables or something? I was quite freaked out a minute ago on the phone with my husband Jeff. He has been in Mississippi for nearly two weeks and he gets back on Saturday. I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and I asked him what his five favorite things to eat were so I could buy the ingredients and make it for him this next week. One of the things he said was these vegetable things I make. I mix a bunch of different vegetables in with some vegetable broth, a spoonful of margarine, and some garlic salt & garlic pepper. I didn't know he liked those so much! I just want to call his mother and rub it in that he's eating vegetables for me. He hated vegetables as a kid. Ha! Phyllis <none_ya wrote: Hubby and I are having an argument. I have consistently told him to NOT feed our 2 y/o. He insists she need the calories. I insist that, at 42lbs (she's tall), if she's not hungry there's no need to force her to eat. I give her plenty of fruit and veggie snacks during the day. If she's not hungry at supper I'm not that worried. He insists that as a child he would go hungry rather than eat something he didn't like. So the first argument is - should he force her to eat or just let her eat what she wants? The second argument came afterwards with him saying she just doesn't like the food that I cook and I should make her something more plain. I don't agree, but the real argument was about what I cook. I tend to cook vegetables in with grains or beans. That's what most of the recipes in most of my cookbooks are - combinations. He insists that keeping them separate - as in a lot of sides without any spices - would appeal to her more (and him, too, I think). He says that when I combine foods I make them processed foods - even if I start out with all fresh ingredients. Anyone ever heard that argument before? Just irritated right now. Phyllis Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of Command part 2 " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I was thinking that too. I was bottle fed and so was my 2.5 year old daughter and we both like spicy, both hot and flavorful! Shannon in WA VAP79 wrote: This is an interesting theory. Don't know how well it stands up. I nursed my son for over 2 yrs. No bottles. He hates spicy foods. He likes seasoned foods, garlic, ginger, other non " hot " spices. Laura in MD People who were bottle fed tend to not like spiced foods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 my son, almost 2, goes through periods when he eats hardly anything and other periods when i feel like i'm feeding him every hour. he hasn't been ingrained into our adult habits of eating when we're bored, depressed, others are eating, or something just looks good. he eats when he's hungry and lives entirely by the dictates of his body. i decided a long time ago to trust his wisdom. sometimes it goes on for a while, like right now, and since he's already pretty lean (but healthy) i think he starts looking kinda skinny, so what i do is just try to pack a TON of nutrients and fat into what he does eat. that way, even if he's only eating a little bit, he's getting a lot of nutrition from whole foods rather than devitalized processed crap. chandelle' On 2/2/07, carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: > > I have to agree. My 2 year old hardly eats at all. I'm not sure what > keeps her going. When my oldest, age 12, was a toddler and not eating the > pediatrician told me she'll eat when she's hungry. As long as she's healthy > don't worry. So, now I let her eat when she's hungry and leave her alone > when she's not. She gets the same food as everyone else, I don't short > order cook, but I keep plenty a good snacks on hand for in between. One of > her favorites is grape tomatoes (which I cut in half so she won't choke). > Carol > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > I think when your daughter is hungry she will eat. My daughter > is 3 now and right around the time she turned two she was ridiculously picky > about food. She had I think it was two, maybe three things she would eat. > This was for a couple of days. We weren't going to give her a ton of pasta > or candy!! So she went hungry for a couple of days, and then after that > those carrots I had for her looked a lot more appealing!! Kids aren't dumb. > They know when they're hungry, and they know when you're serious. If you > stand by your decision she'll eventually eat. > Cooking vegetables with grains or beans doesn't leave them any more > processed than if you cooked them separately!! Is your husband maybe trying > to " suggest " that maybe he'd rather have his rice without the vegetables or > something? I was quite freaked out a minute ago on the phone with my husband > Jeff. He has been in Mississippi for nearly two weeks and he gets back on > Saturday. I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow and I asked him what his five > favorite things to eat were so I could buy the ingredients and make it for > him this next week. One of the things he said was these vegetable things I > make. I mix a bunch of different vegetables in with some vegetable broth, a > spoonful of margarine, and some garlic salt & garlic pepper. I didn't know > he liked those so much! I just want to call his mother and rub it in that > he's eating vegetables for me. He hated vegetables as a kid. Ha! > > Phyllis <none_ya wrote: Hubby and I are having an argument. I > have consistently told him to > NOT feed our 2 y/o. He insists she need the calories. I insist > that, at 42lbs (she's tall), if she's not hungry there's no need to > force her to eat. I give her plenty of fruit and veggie snacks > during the day. If she's not hungry at supper I'm not that worried. > He insists that as a child he would go hungry rather than eat > something he didn't like. So the first argument is - should he force > her to eat or just let her eat what she wants? > > The second argument came afterwards with him saying she just doesn't > like the food that I cook and I should make her something more > plain. I don't agree, but the real argument was about what I cook. > I tend to cook vegetables in with grains or beans. That's what most > of the recipes in most of my cookbooks are - combinations. He > insists that keeping them separate - as in a lot of sides without any > spices - would appeal to her more (and him, too, I think). He says > that when I combine foods I make them processed foods - even if I > start out with all fresh ingredients. Anyone ever heard that > argument before? > > Just irritated right now. > > Phyllis > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and > he'll stay warm the rest of his life. > > " THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! " -Captain Picard, Next Generation, " Chain of > Command part 2 " > > Check out my new , Classical 2 at > http://launch.classical2/ > > > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real > people who know. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 That is definitely an interesting study. I have seen similar ones myself. However, the study you refer to as well as the ones I have seen are correlational studies, which means that no cause can be proven. The results simply show a correlation or relationship between the studied factors without proving cause. This is often confused by media and even people in the scientific community who put more weight on correlational studies than they should. In fact, it is a huge pet-peeve of many of my psychology professors who are active in the research field. Anyway, sorry for the long post on that but I do think it is important for people to understand that a correlational study does not prove cause. Though for the record, I firmly support breastfeeding. Also, more recent studies have shown a correlation between cerebral cortex activity during eating and preferences for different tastes. In one of these studies, the correlation found was that more activity in the brain was positively correlated to a decreased like of spicy foods. The scientists interpreted these findings to mean that some people may be genetically pre-programmed to be more sensitive to flavors than others. Thus, those who are more sensitive might be more likely to prefer bland foods to spicy ones while those who are less sensitive may prefer spicy foods that provide a greater sense of flavor to them. Of course, this was also a correlational study so the interpretation of the scientists would require more research and empirical study in order to be proven. So.... back to the topic. While your husband may prefer bland foods that does not necessarily mean that your daughter does. She has her own taste buds and life experiences, i.e. breastfed or formula-fed for just one example. But maybe you could compromise by preparing a meal or two his way just to see if it makes any difference. If it doesn't, then you've proved your point. Jessica ----Original Message Follows---- robin koloms <rkoloms Re: Re: Food requirements and processed food Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:01:09 -0800 (PST) You are correct, the study was formula fed vs. breatmilk fed. It was from the mid-90s (my sister is a nurse/midwife and had given me a copy). At the time I read an article, I did a very informal survey of everyone I knew and found that real life matched the study. I can check with my sister and see if she still has a copy. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i recommend " super baby food " by ruth yaron. it's actually a book about making your own baby food, but it has lots of commentary about child nutrition and especially child food preferences. she says to avoid spices for most of the first year but after that most kids should do fine. my son was eating hot peppers by a year old, and he actually will not eat food that is bland anymore. he is quite the gourmand! maybe your husband is just confused. most people suggest having pretty bland foods for kids for a while, because they can't handle salt and other spices might be too strong. but after the first year most kids should do just fine (although it's still smart to limit salt somewhat, because of young kidneys). robin, where did you get your information that formula-fed kids don't like spices? i'm a lactation educator and i've never heard that before. it might make sense for the first few years, because breastmilk changes flavor according to what the mother eats, but i can't imagine that it would really affect an adult all that much. i think most of us were formula-fed unfortunately, but i also think few of us enjoy food that is naturally bland or un-spiced. also, this is just an aside, but i am trying to get people to distinguish between " bottle-fed " and " formula-fed. " this is primarily self-serving, because i have been unable to nurse either of my children, so i pump exclusively and get donor milk. so while both of my kids were bottle-fed, it was breastmilk. and lots of women pump for their babies for work and otherwise. because i would bristle at being asked if my kids were " bottle-fed, " since that usually indicated by default formula, and i got sick of explaining the distinction, i am trying to promote the use of " formula-feeding " as opposed to " bottle-feeding. " i am a HUGE lactivist - my work as a student midwife includes being a lactation educator on the side, and i sit on the board of the breastfeeding coalition in my state - and not being able to breastfeed my own kids was devastating to me. because of how difficult those experiences were, and how important i considered it that people understood that my kids WERE getting breastmilk and that i fed them skin-to-skin and never propped bottles or otherwise ignored the bond that feeding can create, i have really tried to promote a bit more sensitivity in this issue. i just suggest that, when referring to formula-feeding, they SAY " formula-feeding, " and not " bottle-feeding. " i think it provides a much more clear picture. i hope that makes sense. i'm not trying to be offensive, and my intent is not to protect the feelings of those who formula-feed, who IMO have always been protected, but of those who use bottles of breastmilk at any time, for any reason - especially those of us who MUST exclusively bottle-feed breastmilk (and there aren't as few of us as you might think). sorry to go so far OT. chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 > i recommend " super baby food " by ruth yaron. Have it. Made quite a bit for her from this book her first year. Hadn't looked at it in a while, but guess I should refer back to it. > also, this is just an aside, but i am trying to get people to distinguish between " bottle-fed " and " formula-fed. " Glad someone else has similar experience. I tried and tried to breastfeed - lactaction specialist, everything - and it just didn't work. So I pumped 3 or 4 times a day for her first year. And I, too, bristle when someone asks breast or bottle-fed. I just answer breastmilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hopefully random people don't just bring it up without a good reason > And I, too, >bristle when someone asks breast or bottle-fed. I just answer >breastmilk. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 LOL...in the circles i run in, it DOES indeed come up at random for no good reason. On 2/2/07, darranged <darranged wrote: > > Hopefully random people don't just bring it up without a good reason > > > And I, too, > >bristle when someone asks breast or bottle-fed. I just answer > >breastmilk. > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 <<in fact, i just tried a recipe last night for chocolate upside-down pudding cake, and it was positively sinful. but half the sugar, no fat, no cholesterol, whole-wheat flour, etc.>> You DO realize that you must pass on the recipe to us, don't you? <g> Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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