Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb about 10% of it anyway) pills. we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if that's enough. i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the rambling. what are your thoughts? chandelle' -- everybody thinks that everybody knows about everybody else but nobody knows anything about themselves 'cause they're all worried about everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Chandelle', How exciting that you are pursuing a degree in Holistic Nutrition! I just finished my BS in Holisitc Nutrition this past summer, and am entertaining the idea of signing back on for the MS program, it was actually that enjoyable! I have kept up with pursuing information, too, even though I finished my coursework because nutrition is one of my main interests. Which school did you choose? Do you like it? Anyway, regarding Omega-3s... even though we have all chosen to be vegetarian or vegan, it is true that many traditional societies were not, I think simply because of scarcity of calories. If you don't know when the next meal is coming from, or when the next famine is, you will most certainly not turn down any source of food - bugs, whatever! Because humans in history often consumed long chain omega-3s directly from fish sources, we have evolved a somewhat diminished capacity to convert short chain (ALA) omega-3s (found in flax) into long chain (DHA) omega-3s (found in fish) although this capacity varies from person to person and can be influenced by other dietary factors. You could have an omega-3 blood panel ordered by a physician to see if you are converting enough, or if you want to just cover your bases, luckily for vegetarians and vegans there are a couple vegan algae-derived DHA sources on the market: Omega Zen 3 and Dr. Fuhrman's DHA purity. I take the Omega Zen 3 myself because it comes in capsules, and give the Dr. Fuhrman's purity to my kids because it comes in liquid form and I can add it to their smoothies. Even so, we take care to assure that we get enough short chain omega 3s from plant sources as both long and short chain are needed by the body. As far as EPA (which is the omega-3 form in between ALA and DHA), conversion from ALA to EPA is pretty good, and retroconversion from DHA back to EPA also happens, so if you get both ALA and DHA you should be fine. The problem in the biochemistry basically lies between the EPA to DHA part because two steps need to happen. Does that make any sense? I usually draw it out on a piece of paper; it makes more sense that way. Let me go on a fish tangent for a minute.... okay, no matter how good long chain omega-3s are for the human body, there is no on who could convince me to eat fish. If they weren't such an unclean source of food due to all the pollution we have done to our earth, the huge problem of overfishing has just been driven home to me in a SERIOUS way by this EXCELLENT book I am reading called " The End of the Line " by Charles Clover. It is a terrific book, I can't recommend it enough. Especially for those (and we all have friends like this, right?) who eat no other meat except for fish. Give them this book and it will put them over the edge. Seriously, I don't know how anyone could ever eat fish again after reading this book. It has many parallels to " Omnivore's Dilemma " if any of you enjoyed that book. One review called it " The maritime equivilent of Silent Spring " . So pass this book out and just tell your fish-eating friends to take their Omega Zen 3!!! Whew! Sorry about the long post!!!! Hope this helps, Karen , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I am not a big fan of supplements either (I also don't think they are all created equal so if I were to supplement I would use supplements based on whole foods as much as possible). I do, however, supplement with B12 even though we eat foods like nutritional yeast and the like because my sister whe hasn't been vegan as long as we have ended up with a B12 deficiency. I just don't take it lightly and I know over the last 20 years of my being veg thoughts on B12 have changed and what foods do have available B12. We eat flax, walnuts, and/or hemp every day so I don't worry too much about that...although it is something I pay attention too. Antioxidants are all over our diet in the whole foods we eat. I'm not sure what I think about supplementing on that one. I suggest taking a look at Dr. Greger's Optimum Plant-Based Nutrition handout (I think you can still view his online talk on the subject as well). http://drgreger.org/handouts.html Also, if I remember correctly from The China Study, Dr. Campbell is not a big supplementation person either. I think there is some info on VegSource or maybe on his website about his thoughts on supplements. I think the best thing is for people to pay attention to their bodies and some people may need more of one nutrient or another than someone else. I think with my sister she doesn't have a super healthy life style as a PhD student and that contributed to some of her health issues. Linda , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 yes, i LOVED " the china study " if only because he confirmed every one of my suspicions, theories, ideas, etc. about supplementation! karen, i am hoping to do the program offered through the clayton college of natural health. supposedly their program is the best. i already have a BS in environmental studies-ecology, but i know i'm never going to really do anything with it...the year i graduated i decided to become a midwife instead, but hey, i still don't consider it a waste because i learned so much about things that are important to me. but i was really excited to find the holistic nutrition program and realize that i could even afford it sort of! sadly, a lot of the programs i really like, at places like naropa, are way out of my financial league. which school did you attend? and what are you doing with your degree now? chandelle' On 2/8/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > I am big on anti-oxidants (grape seed extract). We live on a polluted > planet and I want us to get rid of as many toxins as we can. I am also big > on supplements. Our dreadful farming practices have drained so many > nutrients from the soil, I believe that food is less nutricious than it once > was. I give my daughter ecchinecia (I know this is spelled wrong) all > winter (3 weeks on, one week off); she gets sick less frequently and for > shorter duration then her classmates, and has since preschool. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i am pretty opposed > to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost > every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive guy! > reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your > world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but > he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, > even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking > about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE > CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot > is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like > b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots > of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also very healthy otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of flax oil. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb about 10% of it anyway) pills. we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if that's enough. i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the rambling. what are your thoughts? chandelle' -- everybody thinks that everybody knows about everybody else but nobody knows anything about themselves 'cause they're all worried about everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 interesting. antioxidants are plentiful in veggies and fruits, wine , and especially berries. i feel like i get plenty as a vegan. i am going through my second pregnancy now as a vegan and my son is almost 3 and is doing great--he was always vegan. i give him vitamins though. do you believe in using fluoride? , Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also very healthy otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of flax oil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 sigh. i wish i could afford to do the hemp thing. i do occasionally but they are so-o-o-o expensive. how much hemp seed counts as a serving of omegas, and how many should you have a day if that was your only source? On 2/8/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also > very healthy otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now > instead of flax oil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: i am pretty opposed to > supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife > and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost > every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive > guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your > world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but > he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, > even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking > about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE > CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot > is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like > b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots > of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all > the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 We use hemp oil, and for the kids I just mix in maybe a teaspoon of the oil in their cereal or drink or something. A big bottle of it lasts a very long time, even when I give it to the kids, the dogs, and even a few drops in my pet rats' food. I'm not sure about the actual serving size but this works for us. Vegetarians and vegans were living longer than omnivores way before people learned about EFAs, so I figure we're going to be fine even if we don't get all the EFAs we're " supposed " to. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: sigh. i wish i could afford to do the hemp thing. i do occasionally but they are so-o-o-o expensive. how much hemp seed counts as a serving of omegas, and how many should you have a day if that was your only source? On 2/8/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also > very healthy otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now > instead of flax oil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: i am pretty opposed to > supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife > and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost > every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such a positive > guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your > world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but > he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, > even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking > about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE > CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot > is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like > b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots > of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all > the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 chandelle', clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic nutrition. (previously i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital setting in about seven years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would enjoy it. if you have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free to email me directly sometime. anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my kids full time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will like this: i am in the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and dangerous advice put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is going to be worth it! again, please feel free to email me with any questions. best, karen ps if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig that book i was talking about ( " end of the line " ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Dear robin, soory to interrupt... may i know how old is your daughter ?! what is the dose for each time ?! how many time and for how long period ?! also since what age can we give our kid ?! where to find this stuff ?! tks jeni --- robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > I am big on anti-oxidants (grape seed extract). We > live on a polluted planet and I want us to get rid > of as many toxins as we can. I am also big on > supplements. Our dreadful farming practices have > drained so many nutrients from the soil, I believe > that food is less nutricious than it once was. I > give my daughter ecchinecia (I know this is spelled > wrong) all winter (3 weeks on, one week off); she > gets sick less frequently and for shorter duration > then her classmates, and has since preschool. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the > supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that > they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless > (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan > when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had > another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm > a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in > holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel > PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable > veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. > sometimes he eats almost every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i > don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do > trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't > be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not > as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt > anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " > which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such > a positive guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about > yourself and your world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after > reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot > about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out > because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is > a notable vegan, but he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely > healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal > protein in their diets, even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another > section he was talking about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and > he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are > you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good > omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was > that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and > goat milk and whatnot is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they > can get things like b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things > available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still > shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of > animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which > he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how > necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 > because we eat lots of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should > be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about > antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm > realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax > and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. > sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers. and get answers from real people who know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Wahoo, you go get those WAPers!! " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic nutrition. (previously i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital setting in about seven years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would enjoy it. if you have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free to email me directly sometime. anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my kids full time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will like this: i am in the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and dangerous advice put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is going to be worth it! again, please feel free to email me with any questions. best, karen ps if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig that book i was talking about ( " end of the line " ). Kadee Sedtal Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't the plural of spouse be spice? " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 will you please debunk mercola, too? " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic nutrition. (previously i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital setting in about seven years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would enjoy it. if you have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free to email me directly sometime. anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my kids full time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will like this: i am in the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and dangerous advice put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is going to be worth it! again, please feel free to email me with any questions. best, karen ps if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig that book i was talking about ( " end of the line " ). Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 She is eleven., and dose for what? yani jeni <yani_jeni wrote: Dear robin, soory to interrupt... may i know how old is your daughter ?! what is the dose for each time ?! how many time and for how long period ?! also since what age can we give our kid ?! where to find this stuff ?! tks jeni --- robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > I am big on anti-oxidants (grape seed extract). We > live on a polluted planet and I want us to get rid > of as many toxins as we can. I am also big on > supplements. Our dreadful farming practices have > drained so many nutrients from the soil, I believe > that food is less nutricious than it once was. I > give my daughter ecchinecia (I know this is spelled > wrong) all winter (3 weeks on, one week off); she > gets sick less frequently and for shorter duration > then her classmates, and has since preschool. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the > supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that > they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless > (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan > when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had > another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm > a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in > holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel > PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable > veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. > sometimes he eats almost every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i > don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do > trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't > be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not > as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt > anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " > which is a great book > that i highly recommend...john robbins is just such > a positive guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about > yourself and your world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after > reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot > about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out > because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is > a notable vegan, but he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely > healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal > protein in their diets, even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another > section he was talking about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and > he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are > you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good > omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was > that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and > goat milk and whatnot is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they > can get things like b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things > available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still > shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of > animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which > he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how > necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 > because we eat lots of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should > be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about > antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm > realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax > and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. > sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ Have a burning question? 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of hearing them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > will you please debunk mercola, too? > > " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > > clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > nutrition. (previously > i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > setting in about seven > years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would > enjoy it. if you > have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free > to email me > directly sometime. > > anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my > kids full > time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will > like this: i am in > the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > dangerous advice > put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is > going to be worth > it! > > again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > > best, > karen > > ps > if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig > that book i was > talking about ( " end of the line " ). > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 I know! It's hard to do the attachment/natural parenting stuff without exposing oneself to all the Weston Price propagandists. Vegan MD Dr. Joel Fuhrman refutes their science here: http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_dietary_myths.htm Marla > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of hearing > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: >> >> will you please debunk mercola, too? >> >> " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', >> >> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic >> nutrition. (previously >> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital >> setting in about seven >> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would >> enjoy it. if you >> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free >> to email me >> directly sometime. >> >> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my >> kids full >> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will >> like this: i am in >> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and >> dangerous advice >> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is >> going to be worth >> it! >> >> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. >> >> best, >> karen >> >> ps >> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig >> that book i was >> talking about ( " end of the line " ). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Get your own web address. >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 whoa. i didn't know they promote eating clay and animal brains. and this one: Glandular Organ Extracts – to promote health and healing of the corresponding organ...sounds like superstitious drivel. man, i really hate those people. grrrrrrrrrrrrrr... On 2/9/07, Marla Rose <marla wrote: > > I know! It's hard to do the attachment/natural parenting stuff without > exposing oneself to all the Weston Price propagandists. Vegan MD Dr. Joel > Fuhrman refutes their science here: > http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_dietary_myths.htm > > Marla > > > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple > of > > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of > hearing > > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > >> > >> will you please debunk mercola, too? > >> > >> " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > >> > >> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > >> nutrition. (previously > >> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > >> setting in about seven > >> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you > would > >> enjoy it. if you > >> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel > free > >> to email me > >> directly sometime. > >> > >> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with > my > >> kids full > >> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you > will > >> like this: i am in > >> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > >> dangerous advice > >> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it > is > >> going to be worth > >> it! > >> > >> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > >> > >> best, > >> karen > >> > >> ps > >> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really > dig > >> that book i was > >> talking about ( " end of the line " ). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Get your own web address. > >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better to feed formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of hearing them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > will you please debunk mercola, too? > > " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > > clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > nutrition. (previously > i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > setting in about seven > years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would > enjoy it. if you > have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free > to email me > directly sometime. > > anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my > kids full > time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will > like this: i am in > the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > dangerous advice > put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is > going to be worth > it! > > again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > > best, > karen > > ps > if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig > that book i was > talking about ( " end of the line " ). > > > > > > > > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 That really is insane. Fortunately, the WAPers (I like that name!) might be dogmatic enough to make veg*ns look reasonable to the mainstream population. Marla > Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better to feed > formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of hearing > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: >> >> will you please debunk mercola, too? >> >> " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', >> >> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic >> nutrition. (previously >> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital >> setting in about seven >> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would >> enjoy it. if you >> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free >> to email me >> directly sometime. >> >> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my >> kids full >> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will >> like this: i am in >> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and >> dangerous advice >> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is >> going to be worth >> it! >> >> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. >> >> best, >> karen >> >> ps >> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig >> that book i was >> talking about ( " end of the line " ). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Get your own web address. >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 amen to that! i can't stand it. my daughter is on donated breastmilk. a friend of mine who has recently become brainwashed by WAP asked me about the mothers i'm getting milk from - one vegan, one vegetarian, three SAD's, and one semi-WAPer. my friend was like, " well, i'd keep the last one, but the rest you would be better off making your own formula than taking milk from them. i mean, assuming that you want willow to be healthy. the semi-WAPer, you should be providing her with more meat, milk, eggs, and butter so that her milk is the best it can be. " my head almost blew off. i'm doing whatever i possibly can to get breastmilk into my baby and then she hands me a list of ingredients for a liver-based formula and another for raw-milk-based formula. and yes, she knows i'm vegan. On 2/9/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better to > feed formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please > wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of > hearing > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > > > will you please debunk mercola, too? > > > > " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > > > > clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > > nutrition. (previously > > i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > > setting in about seven > > years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would > > enjoy it. if you > > have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel > free > > to email me > > directly sometime. > > > > anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with > my > > kids full > > time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you > will > > like this: i am in > > the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > > dangerous advice > > put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it > is > > going to be worth > > it! > > > > again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > > > > best, > > karen > > > > ps > > if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig > > that book i was > > talking about ( " end of the line " ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Um, clay and animal brains? I sure hope there's something we're not getting, because otherwise this stuff is just freaking crazy. Wasn't there something like raw liver in the recommended pregnancy diet? I suppose that'll at least help control the WAP population when all the pregnant women die from salmonella and e.coli. Sheesh. Give me brussels sprouts any day. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: whoa. i didn't know they promote eating clay and animal brains. and this one: Glandular Organ Extracts – to promote health and healing of the corresponding organ...sounds like superstitious drivel. man, i really hate those people. grrrrrrrrrrrrrr... On 2/9/07, Marla Rose wrote: > > I know! It's hard to do the attachment/natural parenting stuff without > exposing oneself to all the Weston Price propagandists. Vegan MD Dr. Joel > Fuhrman refutes their science here: > http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_dietary_myths.htm > > Marla > > > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple > of > > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of > hearing > > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms wrote: > >> > >> will you please debunk mercola, too? > >> > >> " k.beauford " wrote: chandelle', > >> > >> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > >> nutrition. (previously > >> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > >> setting in about seven > >> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you > would > >> enjoy it. if you > >> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel > free > >> to email me > >> directly sometime. > >> > >> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with > my > >> kids full > >> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you > will > >> like this: i am in > >> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > >> dangerous advice > >> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it > is > >> going to be worth > >> it! > >> > >> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > >> > >> best, > >> karen > >> > >> ps > >> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really > dig > >> that book i was > >> talking about ( " end of the line " ). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Get your own web address. > >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 i have no idea how they even afford to eat like that. one of the more zealous WAPers in my group says that she buys " grass-fed " beef, raw milk, and " free-range " eggs as often as she can, but she usually just buys conventional whole milk, eggs, cream, beef, and lamb and veal. (i can't believe they eat veal!!! even a lot of die-hard carnivores gave up veal after the peta exposes.) she is pregnant and says that she gets about 4000 calories a day, about 5 times the recommended saturated fat, and an ungodly amount of cholesterol. she says that proudly. ugh. On 2/9/07, Marla Rose <marla wrote: > > That really is insane. Fortunately, the WAPers (I like that name!) might > be > dogmatic enough to make veg*ns look reasonable to the mainstream > population. > > Marla > > > Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better > to feed > > formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple > of > > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of > hearing > > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > >> > >> will you please debunk mercola, too? > >> > >> " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > >> > >> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > >> nutrition. (previously > >> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > >> setting in about seven > >> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you > would > >> enjoy it. if you > >> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel > free > >> to email me > >> directly sometime. > >> > >> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with > my > >> kids full > >> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you > will > >> like this: i am in > >> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > >> dangerous advice > >> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it > is > >> going to be worth > >> it! > >> > >> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > >> > >> best, > >> karen > >> > >> ps > >> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really > dig > >> that book i was > >> talking about ( " end of the line " ). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Get your own web address. > >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 oh don't worry, i've got them all in my sights! i have the same problem some of you mentioned... i'm in a holistic mothers group, and the WAPF folks are always trying to " convert " the others. i can't explain the whole phenomenon other than that it is a cult and sally fallon (or sally fallacy as i like to call her) is the cult leader. they suck people in because they mix good advice (biodynamic farming, avoiding processed food) in with the most horrible advice possible. it was driving me crazy, so i decided to focus my anger on a constructive project. i will definitely let you all know when the website makes its official " debut " . right now it is under construction and i have to have a password on it until i have permission from every person who wrote an article that i want to include, so there is all this legwork involved. it will be good, though, i promise! karen - " woman on a mission " , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of hearing > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > > > will you please debunk mercola, too? > > > > " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > > > > clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > > nutrition. (previously > > i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > > setting in about seven > > years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would > > enjoy it. if you > > have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free > > to email me > > directly sometime. > > > > anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my > > kids full > > time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will > > like this: i am in > > the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > > dangerous advice > > put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is > > going to be worth > > it! > > > > again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > > > > best, > > karen > > > > ps > > if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig > > that book i was > > talking about ( " end of the line " ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 my mom told me that the pediatrician she took us to in the early '60s told her to give her babies scraped raw liver. eeewwww!!!! chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: amen to that! i can't stand it. my daughter is on donated breastmilk. a friend of mine who has recently become brainwashed by WAP asked me about the mothers i'm getting milk from - one vegan, one vegetarian, three SAD's, and one semi-WAPer. my friend was like, " well, i'd keep the last one, but the rest you would be better off making your own formula than taking milk from them. i mean, assuming that you want willow to be healthy. the semi-WAPer, you should be providing her with more meat, milk, eggs, and butter so that her milk is the best it can be. " my head almost blew off. i'm doing whatever i possibly can to get breastmilk into my baby and then she hands me a list of ingredients for a liver-based formula and another for raw-milk-based formula. and yes, she knows i'm vegan. On 2/9/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better to > feed formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please > wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of > hearing > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > > > will you please debunk mercola, too? > > > > " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > > > > clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > > nutrition. (previously > > i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > > setting in about seven > > years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would > > enjoy it. if you > > have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel > free > > to email me > > directly sometime. > > > > anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with > my > > kids full > > time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you > will > > like this: i am in > > the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > > dangerous advice > > put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it > is > > going to be worth > > it! > > > > again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > > > > best, > > karen > > > > ps > > if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig > > that book i was > > talking about ( " end of the line " ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Oh, goody! I can't wait! Marla > oh don't worry, i've got them all in my sights! i have the same problem some > of you > mentioned... i'm in a holistic mothers group, and the WAPF folks are always > trying to > " convert " the others. i can't explain the whole phenomenon other than that it > is a cult and > sally fallon (or sally fallacy as i like to call her) is the cult leader. they > suck people in > because they mix good advice (biodynamic farming, avoiding processed food) in > with the > most horrible advice possible. it was driving me crazy, so i decided to focus > my anger on > a constructive project. i will definitely let you all know when the website > makes its official > " debut " . right now it is under construction and i have to have a password on > it until i have > permission from every person who wrote an article that i want to include, so > there is all > this legwork involved. it will be good, though, i promise! > > karen - " woman on a mission " > > > , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: >> >> WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of >> natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of hearing >> them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: >> http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! >> >> On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: >>> >>> will you please debunk mercola, too? >>> >>> " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', >>> >>> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic >>> nutrition. (previously >>> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital >>> setting in about seven >>> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would >>> enjoy it. if you >>> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free >>> to email me >>> directly sometime. >>> >>> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my >>> kids full >>> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will >>> like this: i am in >>> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and >>> dangerous advice >>> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is >>> going to be worth >>> it! >>> >>> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. >>> >>> best, >>> karen >>> >>> ps >>> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig >>> that book i was >>> talking about ( " end of the line " ). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Get your own web address. >>> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Ah, wouldn't that be the day!! Completely on another topic, we got another dog today. His name is Wesley Crusher and he is a 5 month-old, 2 lb. yorkie. He'll be about 5 lbs. as an adult. Sweet as pie, and too cute even to look at for long periods of time. He is wonderful. Marla Rose <marla wrote: That really is insane. Fortunately, the WAPers (I like that name!) might be dogmatic enough to make veg*ns look reasonable to the mainstream population. Marla > Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better to feed > formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of hearing > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: >> >> will you please debunk mercola, too? >> >> " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', >> >> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic >> nutrition. (previously >> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital >> setting in about seven >> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would >> enjoy it. if you >> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel free >> to email me >> directly sometime. >> >> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with my >> kids full >> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you will >> like this: i am in >> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and >> dangerous advice >> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it is >> going to be worth >> it! >> >> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. >> >> best, >> karen >> >> ps >> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig >> that book i was >> talking about ( " end of the line " ). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Get your own web address. >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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