Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 I'd choke her with a rope. Geez, that is like the ultimate in disrespect, especially for those other women who are donating milk. What an insult to their generosity. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: amen to that! i can't stand it. my daughter is on donated breastmilk. a friend of mine who has recently become brainwashed by WAP asked me about the mothers i'm getting milk from - one vegan, one vegetarian, three SAD's, and one semi-WAPer. my friend was like, " well, i'd keep the last one, but the rest you would be better off making your own formula than taking milk from them. i mean, assuming that you want willow to be healthy. the semi-WAPer, you should be providing her with more meat, milk, eggs, and butter so that her milk is the best it can be. " my head almost blew off. i'm doing whatever i possibly can to get breastmilk into my baby and then she hands me a list of ingredients for a liver-based formula and another for raw-milk-based formula. and yes, she knows i'm vegan. On 2/9/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better to > feed formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please > wipe out them all. i'm on a couple of > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of > hearing > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > > > will you please debunk mercola, too? > > > > " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > > > > clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > > nutrition. (previously > > i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > > setting in about seven > > years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you would > > enjoy it. if you > > have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel > free > > to email me > > directly sometime. > > > > anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with > my > > kids full > > time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you > will > > like this: i am in > > the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > > dangerous advice > > put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it > is > > going to be worth > > it! > > > > again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > > > > best, > > karen > > > > ps > > if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really dig > > that book i was > > talking about ( " end of the line " ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Maybe she'll name her baby Heart Disease. That makes me sick, lately I get grossed out at even slightly greasy food. All that fat... gross! chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i have no idea how they even afford to eat like that. one of the more zealous WAPers in my group says that she buys " grass-fed " beef, raw milk, and " free-range " eggs as often as she can, but she usually just buys conventional whole milk, eggs, cream, beef, and lamb and veal. (i can't believe they eat veal!!! even a lot of die-hard carnivores gave up veal after the peta exposes.) she is pregnant and says that she gets about 4000 calories a day, about 5 times the recommended saturated fat, and an ungodly amount of cholesterol. she says that proudly. ugh. On 2/9/07, Marla Rose <marla wrote: > > That really is insane. Fortunately, the WAPers (I like that name!) might > be > dogmatic enough to make veg*ns look reasonable to the mainstream > population. > > Marla > > > Those WAPers put themselves on my hate list when they said it's better > to feed > > formula than for a vegetarian or vegan mother to breastfeed. Evil. > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > WAP/mercola/NT/sally fallon, please wipe out them all. i'm on a couple > of > > natural parenting lists aNd playgroups and i am so sick to death of > hearing > > them promote liver-based formula and this diet for pregnant women: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html . GROSS! > > > > On 2/9/07, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > >> > >> will you please debunk mercola, too? > >> > >> " k.beauford " <karen wrote: chandelle', > >> > >> clayton college of natural health is where i obtained my BS in holistic > >> nutrition. (previously > >> i had a career in physical therapy, but i haven't worked in a hospital > >> setting in about seven > >> years.) i really loved the program and format at CCNH. i think you > would > >> enjoy it. if you > >> have any specific questions about the nutrition program or CCNH, feel > free > >> to email me > >> directly sometime. > >> > >> anyway, as for what i am doing with my degree, right now i am home with > my > >> kids full > >> time so i don't have a career, but i am working on a big project. you > will > >> like this: i am in > >> the middle of developing a website to expose the misinformation and > >> dangerous advice > >> put forth by the weston a. price foundation! it is a lot of work but it > is > >> going to be worth > >> it! > >> > >> again, please feel free to email me with any questions. > >> > >> best, > >> karen > >> > >> ps > >> if you were an environmental studies major, i think you would really > dig > >> that book i was > >> talking about ( " end of the line " ). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Get your own web address. > >> Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 karen, that is the most awesome thing I have heard in a while. That's really great that you're putting together one website for people to go to to see what is wrong with weston price. Please keep us updated on your progress- what a great resource that will be. Leena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Just a quick note re: hemp oil. I agree that it is wonderful stuff. However, we must remember that in our society we get loads of Omega-6s so we need to increase our consumption of Omega 3s. It was described to me this way: The omegas all " compete " for the same space so if we have too much 6 then it leaves less room for the 3s. So, even though hemp is the perfect balance of 3 and 6 we need to make sure we are getting enough 3 (given the other sources of 6 that we ingest). I'm sure some people on this board will be able to explain it better than I just did. If I'm wrong please let me know! I got my information from a dietician (vegetarian one!) but it is possible that I have " warped " what she said. Paula Kadee M <abbey_road3012 Thursday, February 8, 2007 1:57:19 PM Re: veg supplementation? As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also very healthy otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of flax oil. chandelle' <earthmother213@ gmail.com> wrote: i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb about 10% of it anyway) pills. we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book that i highly recommend... john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if that's enough. i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the rambling. what are your thoughts? chandelle' -- everybody thinks that everybody knows about everybody else but nobody knows anything about themselves 'cause they're all worried about everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Paula, you've got it right: hemp oil provides the right balance of omega-6 and omega-3, but that is provided you are not getting too much of either one elsewhere. omega-6 is easily obtained the diet, so I myself find it easiest to take just straight omega-3 (long chain DHA in a vegan algae-derived supplement) to balance out the plentiful omega-6s in my diet. getting the right balance of 6 to 3 is as important as getting enough 3, in part since they compete for the same desaturization enzyme... Karen , PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew wrote: > > Just a quick note re: hemp oil. I agree that it is wonderful stuff. However, we must remember that in our society we get loads of Omega-6s so we need to increase our consumption of Omega 3s. It was described to me this way: > > The omegas all " compete " for the same space so if we have too much 6 then it leaves less room for the 3s. > > So, even though hemp is the perfect balance of 3 and 6 we need to make sure we are getting enough 3 (given the other sources of 6 that we ingest). > > I'm sure some people on this board will be able to explain it better than I just did. If I'm wrong please let me know! I got my information from a dietician (vegetarian one!) but it is possible that I have " warped " what she said. > > Paula > > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012 > > Thursday, February 8, 2007 1:57:19 PM > Re: veg supplementation? > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also very healthy otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of flax oil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213@ gmail.com> wrote: i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend... john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Desaturisation enzyme! I knew it was more complex than competing for the same space.Thanks for the terminology. What supplement do you take? I put flax oil in my boys' bottles or soothies and we put " breakfast sprinkles " (i.e., ground flax seed) on cereal and wherever else I can use it. Paula k.beauford <karen Monday, February 12, 2007 1:53:58 PM Re: veg supplementation? Paula, you've got it right: hemp oil provides the right balance of omega-6 and omega-3, but that is provided you are not getting too much of either one elsewhere. omega-6 is easily obtained the diet, so I myself find it easiest to take just straight omega-3 (long chain DHA in a vegan algae-derived supplement) to balance out the plentiful omega-6s in my diet. getting the right balance of 6 to 3 is as important as getting enough 3, in part since they compete for the same desaturization enzyme... Karen @gro ups.com, PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew@ ...> wrote: > > Just a quick note re: hemp oil. I agree that it is wonderful stuff. However, we must remember that in our society we get loads of Omega-6s so we need to increase our consumption of Omega 3s. It was described to me this way: > > The omegas all " compete " for the same space so if we have too much 6 then it leaves less room for the 3s. > > So, even though hemp is the perfect balance of 3 and 6 we need to make sure we are getting enough 3 (given the other sources of 6 that we ingest). > > I'm sure some people on this board will be able to explain it better than I just did. If I'm wrong please let me know! I got my information from a dietician (vegetarian one!) but it is possible that I have " warped " what she said. > > Paula > > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ ...> > @gro ups.com > Thursday, February 8, 2007 1:57:19 PM > Re: veg supplementation? > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also very healthy otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of flax oil. > > chandelle' <earthmother213@ gmail.com> wrote: i am pretty opposed to supplements. i think the supplement industry is way > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > that i highly recommend... john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > that's enough. > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > chandelle' > > -- > everybody thinks > that everybody knows about > everybody else > but nobody knows > anything > about themselves > 'cause they're all worried about > everybody else. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 What are the sources of Omega 6? I keep hearing they are plentiful in " our " diet, but normally take that to mean the SAD -- are they plentiful in a vegan diet? Heather k.beauford wrote: > > Paula, > > you've got it right: hemp oil provides the right balance of omega-6 > and omega-3, but > that is provided you are not getting too much of either one elsewhere. > omega-6 is easily > obtained the diet, so I myself find it easiest to take just straight > omega-3 (long chain DHA > in a vegan algae-derived supplement) to balance out the plentiful > omega-6s in my diet. > getting the right balance of 6 to 3 is as important as getting enough > 3, in part since they > compete for the same desaturization enzyme... > > Karen > > > <%40>, PAULA JOHNSON TEW > <johnsontew wrote: > > > > Just a quick note re: hemp oil. I agree that it is wonderful stuff. > However, we must > remember that in our society we get loads of Omega-6s so we need to > increase our > consumption of Omega 3s. It was described to me this way: > > > > The omegas all " compete " for the same space so if we have too much 6 > then it leaves > less room for the 3s. > > > > So, even though hemp is the perfect balance of 3 and 6 we need to > make sure we are > getting enough 3 (given the other sources of 6 that we ingest). > > > > I'm sure some people on this board will be able to explain it better > than I just did. If I'm > wrong please let me know! I got my information from a dietician > (vegetarian one!) but it is > possible that I have " warped " what she said. > > > > Paula > > > > > > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012 > > <%40> > > Thursday, February 8, 2007 1:57:19 PM > > Re: veg supplementation? > > > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is > also very healthy > otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of > flax oil. > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213@ gmail.com> wrote: i am pretty opposed to > supplements. i > think the supplement industry is way > > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace > eating > > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 > weeks > > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student > midwife and > > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident > about our > > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats > almost every > > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. > so i > > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > > that i highly recommend... john robbins is just such a positive guy! > reading > > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and > your world, > > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about > antioxidants and > > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote > " diet > > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, > but he > > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and > long-lived > > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their > diets, even > > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was > talking about > > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE > CHAPTER > > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and > whatnot is > > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things > like b12 > > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products > to get > > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat > lots of > > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > > that's enough. > > > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for > all the > > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > > > chandelle' > > > > -- > > everybody thinks > > that everybody knows about > > everybody else > > but nobody knows > > anything > > about themselves > > 'cause they're all worried about > > everybody else. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Heather, You are correct in assuming that omega-6 fatty acids are usually over-abundant in a SAD diet. This is due to the high percentage of processed foods (usually made with oils including safflower, sunflower, corn, peanut, and cottonseed oil which are all concentrated sources of omega-6). However, a vegan diet would most likely supply ample amounts of omega-6s as vegetables, fruits, nuts, grains and seeds are all sources of omega-6s. Of course, if any of the plant oils I listed above are used in a vegan diet, it will be even richer in omega-6s. (Crackers and stuff like that are what to watch out for even if you don't cook with these oils.) Even olive oil has a percentage of omega-6s (although it is mostly omega-9s). Keep in mind omega-6s are not " bad " , in fact they are essential because they cannot be made by the body but are needed by the body. It is just that the omega-3/omega-6 ratio consumed by most people is not ideal whether they consume SAD diet or vegan diet. Even though a healthier vegan diet would most likely not be heavy in the vegetable oils listed above, it would most likely still be rich enough in omega-6s, and since fish is not consumed, an effort needs to be made to include enough omega-3 fatty acids to balance the existing 6s. Of course, no two people eat exactly the same diet, even two vegans, so it is difficult to generalize too much. Karen , Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > > What are the sources of Omega 6? I keep hearing they are plentiful in > " our " diet, but normally take that to mean the SAD -- are they plentiful > in a vegan diet? > Heather > > k.beauford wrote: > > > > Paula, > > > > you've got it right: hemp oil provides the right balance of omega-6 > > and omega-3, but > > that is provided you are not getting too much of either one elsewhere. > > omega-6 is easily > > obtained the diet, so I myself find it easiest to take just straight > > omega-3 (long chain DHA > > in a vegan algae-derived supplement) to balance out the plentiful > > omega-6s in my diet. > > getting the right balance of 6 to 3 is as important as getting enough > > 3, in part since they > > compete for the same desaturization enzyme... > > > > Karen > > > > > > <%40>, PAULA JOHNSON TEW > > <johnsontew@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a quick note re: hemp oil. I agree that it is wonderful stuff. > > However, we must > > remember that in our society we get loads of Omega-6s so we need to > > increase our > > consumption of Omega 3s. It was described to me this way: > > > > > > The omegas all " compete " for the same space so if we have too much 6 > > then it leaves > > less room for the 3s. > > > > > > So, even though hemp is the perfect balance of 3 and 6 we need to > > make sure we are > > getting enough 3 (given the other sources of 6 that we ingest). > > > > > > I'm sure some people on this board will be able to explain it better > > than I just did. If I'm > > wrong please let me know! I got my information from a dietician > > (vegetarian one!) but it is > > possible that I have " warped " what she said. > > > > > > Paula > > > > > > > > > > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@> > > > <%40> > > > Thursday, February 8, 2007 1:57:19 PM > > > Re: veg supplementation? > > > > > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is > > also very healthy > > otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of > > flax oil. > > > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213@ gmail.com> wrote: i am pretty opposed to > > supplements. i > > think the supplement industry is way > > > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace > > eating > > > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > > > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > > > > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 > > weeks > > > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > > > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student > > midwife and > > > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > > > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident > > about our > > > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > > > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats > > almost every > > > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > > > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > > > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. > > so i > > > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > > > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > > > > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > > > > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > > > that i highly recommend... john robbins is just such a positive guy! > > reading > > > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and > > your world, > > > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > > > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about > > antioxidants and > > > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote > > " diet > > > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, > > but he > > > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and > > long-lived > > > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their > > diets, even > > > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was > > talking about > > > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE > > CHAPTER > > > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > > > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > > > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > > > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and > > whatnot is > > > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things > > like b12 > > > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > > > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > > > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products > > to get > > > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > > > > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > > > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > > > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat > > lots of > > > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > > > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > > > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > > > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > > > that's enough. > > > > > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for > > all the > > > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > > > > > chandelle' > > > > > > -- > > > everybody thinks > > > that everybody knows about > > > everybody else > > > but nobody knows > > > anything > > > about themselves > > > 'cause they're all worried about > > > everybody else. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 We use ground flax seed (in smoothies) for not just the omega-3s but also for the other benefits of the entire flax seed, including the benefits of lignans. In addition, because of the limited conversion that occurs in humans from short-chain omega-3s (like those found in flax and walnuts) to the long-chain omega-3s (found in fish), now that vegan DHA supplements are available, we take them (Omega Zen 3 vegan capsules for the adults, DHA Purity by Dr. Fuhrman which comes in liquid form for the kids). Granted, this is not something that has been available for very long, but now that it is, we are all over it. I have faith in all the studies that are out there on the health benefits of (long-chain) omega-3 rich fish in the diet, but I also know how contaminated they can be, and how overfishing has plundered our oceans beyond belief, so it is great that there is now a non- fish derived option (it is algae-derived, which is where the fish get it in the first place). Obviously, people can survive without a direct source of DHA, but as far as I am concerned, it is a worthwhile supplement. It can be especially helpful for optimum skin health and attention spans. Karen , PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew wrote: > > Desaturisation enzyme! I knew it was more complex than competing for the same space.Thanks for the terminology. > > What supplement do you take? I put flax oil in my boys' bottles or soothies and we put " breakfast sprinkles " (i.e., ground flax seed) on cereal and wherever else I can use it. > > Paula > > > > k.beauford <karen > > Monday, February 12, 2007 1:53:58 PM > Re: veg supplementation? > > Paula, > > you've got it right: hemp oil provides the right balance of omega-6 and omega-3, but > that is provided you are not getting too much of either one elsewhere. omega-6 is easily > obtained the diet, so I myself find it easiest to take just straight omega-3 (long chain DHA > in a vegan algae-derived supplement) to balance out the plentiful omega-6s in my diet. > getting the right balance of 6 to 3 is as important as getting enough 3, in part since they > compete for the same desaturization enzyme... > > Karen > > @gro ups.com, PAULA JOHNSON TEW <johnsontew@ ...> wrote: > > > > Just a quick note re: hemp oil. I agree that it is wonderful stuff. However, we must > remember that in our society we get loads of Omega-6s so we need to increase our > consumption of Omega 3s. It was described to me this way: > > > > The omegas all " compete " for the same space so if we have too much 6 then it leaves > less room for the 3s. > > > > So, even though hemp is the perfect balance of 3 and 6 we need to make sure we are > getting enough 3 (given the other sources of 6 that we ingest). > > > > I'm sure some people on this board will be able to explain it better than I just did. If I'm > wrong please let me know! I got my information from a dietician (vegetarian one!) but it is > possible that I have " warped " what she said. > > > > Paula > > > > > > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ ...> > > @gro ups.com > > Thursday, February 8, 2007 1:57:19 PM > > Re: veg supplementation? > > > > As for the omegas, hemp has the perfect balance of 3s to 6s and is also very healthy > otherwise. It's expensive, but great stuff. I buy it now instead of flax oil. > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213@ gmail.com> wrote: i am pretty opposed to supplements. i > think the supplement industry is way > > out of hand and people have the mistaken idea that they can replace eating > > good foods with taking high-priced, mostly useless (since we only absorb > > about 10% of it anyway) pills. > > > > we've been vegan for almost 2 years; we went vegan when my son was 3 weeks > > old. he has been vegan from birth. we just had another baby and i was > > vegan throughout her pregnancy and very healthy. i'm a student midwife and > > i've just decided to pursue another degree in holistic nutrition, so i'm > > pretty on top of nutrition information. i feel PRETTY confident about our > > diet. i did, however, put my son on a basic chewable veg multi last week > > because his eating habits are very cyclical. sometimes he eats almost every > > hour and sometimes he eats hardly anything and i don't know how he's > > surviving. right now he's in the latter period. i do trust that he knows > > what he needs, but with children, i figure you can't be too careful. so i > > put him on the multi and even though i know it's not as good as food, i > > figure it's better than nothing and it won't hurt anything. > > > > ok, i'm rambling. i'll get to the point. > > > > so i just finished john robbins' " healthy at 100, " which is a great book > > that i highly recommend... john robbins is just such a positive guy! reading > > his books and articles makes you feel so good about yourself and your world, > > even when he's lamenting. ANYWAY. geez. ok, so after reading his book, > > i'm kind of second-guessing things. he talks a lot about antioxidants and > > omegas. now, i was getting pretty freaked out because robbins wrote " diet > > for a new america " and " the food revolution " and is a notable vegan, but he > > was talking about these cultures that are extremely healthy and long-lived > > and how they all include some measure of animal protein in their diets, even > > if it's just bugs or something, and in another section he was talking about > > how fish is really a superior source of omegas, and he had an ENTIRE CHAPTER > > on weston price, and i was thinking, JOHN. what are you DOING?! but > > ultimately he did say that it's possible to get good omegas if you're > > careful about it, and i think his basic message was that, in these > > " primitive " cultures, those people eating fish and goat milk and whatnot is > > a good thing because that's truly the only way they can get things like b12 > > and D, but in OUR culture we have other things available to us like > > supplements and nutritional yeast, so we still shouldn't have to kill > > anything or subject our bodies to the detriment of animal products to get > > our nutrients. i THINK that was his message anyway. > > > > so, he mentioned supplements of antioxidants (which he says he takes > > himself), b12, and a few other little things. how necessary do you guys > > think this really is? i don't really worry about b12 because we eat lots of > > foods that are fortified with b12, and that should be fine. i also don't > > worry about D for that reason. but what about antioxidants? and i was > > never terribly worried about omegas, but now i'm realizing that while we > > have a few little sources, our main source is flax and i don't know if > > that's enough. > > > > i really liked the book but now i feel all confused. sorry for all the > > rambling. what are your thoughts? > > > > chandelle' > > > > -- > > everybody thinks > > that everybody knows about > > everybody else > > but nobody knows > > anything > > about themselves > > 'cause they're all worried about > > everybody else. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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