Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Oh goodness, I forgot what the site was... does anybody have it? The one that explains what all the ingredients actually are? It's scary how they can hide such awful stuff in the label. A lot of times instead of soap we just use plain baking soda mixed in with the water. It gets them nice and clean with soft skin, and it's super cheap. Plus someone on this group said you can use that and vinegar instead of laundry detergent! I've been using that for a few months now and my clothes are just as clean as they were when I used that expensive Dreft detergent. L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: I know I am going to regret asking this because it will probably mean that I end up switching to baby products that are whatever-free and 2x the price (haha), but what kinds of things are in them that are bad? Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: This seems to only apply to children who use it all the time. We just have a bottle of lavender oil that we put on the kids before a long road trip or other stressful things. We used to use lavender lotion on both kids before bed every night, though. We stopped that several months ago when we found out all the icky stuff they put in baby lotion!! That is scary though, how they sell the stuff and tell people to put it on their kids all the time. ERB <bakwin wrote: This article was published on the BBC News website about two weeks ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6318043.stm Apparently there is a small concern about exposing boys to lavender oil. Liz Kadee Sedtal Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't the plural of spouse be spice? " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 My daughter's science fair project this year was a comparison of the cleaning properties of toxic, non-toxic and home-made non-toxic cleaning products. Her companion research paper discussed the environmental effects of toxic cleaning products. Surprisingly, one of her home-made cleaners (which we now use) cleaned exactly as well as the two types of store bought. She baked honey and sugar in pyrex dishes until quite burnt and let them sit for 24 hours. Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: Oh goodness, I forgot what the site was... does anybody have it? The one that explains what all the ingredients actually are? It's scary how they can hide such awful stuff in the label. A lot of times instead of soap we just use plain baking soda mixed in with the water. It gets them nice and clean with soft skin, and it's super cheap. Plus someone on this group said you can use that and vinegar instead of laundry detergent! I've been using that for a few months now and my clothes are just as clean as they were when I used that expensive Dreft detergent. L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: I know I am going to regret asking this because it will probably mean that I end up switching to baby products that are whatever-free and 2x the price (haha), but what kinds of things are in them that are bad? Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: This seems to only apply to children who use it all the time. We just have a bottle of lavender oil that we put on the kids before a long road trip or other stressful things. We used to use lavender lotion on both kids before bed every night, though. We stopped that several months ago when we found out all the icky stuff they put in baby lotion!! That is scary though, how they sell the stuff and tell people to put it on their kids all the time. ERB <bakwin wrote: This article was published on the BBC News website about two weeks ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6318043.stm Apparently there is a small concern about exposing boys to lavender oil. Liz Kadee Sedtal Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't the plural of spouse be spice? " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Haven't read all the posts on this so this may be a repeat of what someone else has said, but I read the article about this issue either in the Journal of the American Medical Association or New England Journal of Medicine (get both, can't remember which this was in). Interestingly, my husband was using a deodarant with lavendar oil and started having nipple pain; prior to reading the article, we had no idea why! According to the journal article I read, this is a real problem, esp for very young males. btw... I've been a lurker on this list for a month or so, and I have really enjoyed the group. Been vegan for almost a year now, vegetarian off and on my entire life. Kids are vegetarian, moving toward vegan. Thanks for this list! dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 I didn't read everyone's posts concerning this topic, but here is a post from another board I'm on that I found interesting: Re: lavender and tea tree oil study I just read the study. You know, it's interesting that two of these boys were over the 97th percentile in both height and weight (the third was average weight, but between 75th and 90th percentile in height). The authors mention it in the profile of each boy, but do not comment on this link. Two of the patients could have been experiencing early signs of puberty (gynecomastia is not uncommon among boys in early puberty): they were ages 7 and 10. These two issues should at least be considered as contributing factors. Particularly so since the author notes that the oldest boy, who also happened to be the only boy studied in the average weight range, had a twin brother using the same personal care products -- and the twin did not develop breast buds as his brother did. By the authors' description, " Our in vitro studies confirm that lavender oil and tea tree oil possess WEAK [emphasis mine] estrogenic and antiandrogenic activities that MAY CONTRIBUTE [emphasis mine] to an imbalance in estrogen and androgen pathway signaling. .... The threshold might depend on several undefined factors, including the concentration of the oil in a product; the duration, frequency, and quantity of use of the product; and the genetic characteristics of persons exposed. " (7). This sounds like cause for caution and further research, not for discontinuing use of these products. The New England Journal of Medicine notes that " Dr. Bloch reports receiving grant support and lecture fees from Eli Lilly, Genentech, Novo Nordisk, Pfizer, Tercica, and Serono. No other potential conflict of interest relevant to this article was reported " (7). To me, that reads that Dr. Bloch (who is responsible for reporting conflicts of interest) sees these sponsorships as reportable conflicts. This is cause for some skepticism on my end, since a search for " gynecomastia and boys " on Google right now produces results almost exclusively about this research. I'd love to know what products these companies make that might be threatened by essential oils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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