Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in general. http://www.ejfoundation.org/ " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 As vegetarians for environmental reasons, we really appreciate this article. The effects of pesticides on the planet and people is so under reported. While DDT can't be used in this country, it's ok to make it here, sell it to other countries, and import foods with it. Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in general. http://www.ejfoundation.org/ " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Not only that, we get DDT sprayed in Mexico in our air in the states....ie. there was a study of pesticides that were sprayed in TX and were detected in OH! Our world is all ONE as we can cleary see from global warming.... but big business and quotas don't care about that. robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: As vegetarians for environmental reasons, we really appreciate this article. The effects of pesticides on the planet and people is so under reported. While DDT can't be used in this country, it's ok to make it here, sell it to other countries, and import foods with it. Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in general. http://www.ejfoundation.org/ " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 You know what else is sad? That many of the poor are forced to exploit other poor people because they can't afford to get the non-exploited products, such as the fair trade chocolates and coffees. My husband and I, who are just starting out and are kind of poor, can't afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and foods, etc. We make sacrifices just to buy the organic foods because they are hard to find and very expensive in our area. And if you think the food is hard to find, the clothes are almost impossible--online ordering only if we were going to do that. For us, it is definitely not cheaper to be vegetarian and even more expensive to be vegan (which we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of finding foods and the social aspect of it--our situation is a little different). It makes me sad, but I don't know what else to do. We do what we can, but it never seems enough. As we find out how terrible one product is and replace it, another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and we can't afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely frustrating to me. Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in general. http://www.ejfoundation.org/ " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Are you near a costco? we are able to buy organics there at a much lower price than anywhere else (we share the really big things with neighbors). I get an awesome coffe, organic and fairly traded and roasted by starbucks for really cheap (it is a " kirkland " house brand); they also carry several organic products by muir glen; organic whole wheat spagetti, organic oatmeal, organic eggs and milk, etc. we only buy fairly traded coffee and chocolates and what we can't afford we just don't buy. i bought some bittersweet dark " coins " at costco, organic and fairly traded, that were unbelievable; the small portions really do last longer at our house. L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: You know what else is sad? That many of the poor are forced to exploit other poor people because they can't afford to get the non-exploited products, such as the fair trade chocolates and coffees. My husband and I, who are just starting out and are kind of poor, can't afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and foods, etc. We make sacrifices just to buy the organic foods because they are hard to find and very expensive in our area. And if you think the food is hard to find, the clothes are almost impossible--online ordering only if we were going to do that. For us, it is definitely not cheaper to be vegetarian and even more expensive to be vegan (which we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of finding foods and the social aspect of it--our situation is a little different). It makes me sad, but I don't know what else to do. We do what we can, but it never seems enough. As we find out how terrible one product is and replace it, another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and we can't afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely frustrating to me. Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in general. http://www.ejfoundation.org/ " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 no, no costco. No any kind of organic-friendly chain (except Wal mart and it is still hard to find a LOT of things, and I don't really like Walmart). The closest thing to that is Sam's club, which we do have a membership to, but they don't sell too many organic things. I am learning, though, where to shop and how to spend money more wisely. It just takes a lot more effort than it used to, when I would just go to Walmart or Kroger and buy everything all at once. We do the best we can and learn as much as possible so if one month we do have more money, we can purchase the better product, and in the future, when I am finished with school, we can totally go for it all. Sorry, I wasn't trying to turn the thread into a pity party kind of thing. I was just pointing out how the rich exploit the poor by pitting the poor against the poor. I don't think that all of them realize it (and if they did, I am not even sure they would care). I wasn't at all trying to turn it into a " me " thing. robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: Are you near a costco? we are able to buy organics there at a much lower price than anywhere else (we share the really big things with neighbors). I get an awesome coffe, organic and fairly traded and roasted by starbucks for really cheap (it is a " kirkland " house brand); they also carry several organic products by muir glen; organic whole wheat spagetti, organic oatmeal, organic eggs and milk, etc. we only buy fairly traded coffee and chocolates and what we can't afford we just don't buy. i bought some bittersweet dark " coins " at costco, organic and fairly traded, that were unbelievable; the small portions really do last longer at our house. L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: You know what else is sad? That many of the poor are forced to exploit other poor people because they can't afford to get the non-exploited products, such as the fair trade chocolates and coffees. My husband and I, who are just starting out and are kind of poor, can't afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and foods, etc. We make sacrifices just to buy the organic foods because they are hard to find and very expensive in our area. And if you think the food is hard to find, the clothes are almost impossible--online ordering only if we were going to do that. For us, it is definitely not cheaper to be vegetarian and even more expensive to be vegan (which we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of finding foods and the social aspect of it--our situation is a little different). It makes me sad, but I don't know what else to do. We do what we can, but it never seems enough. As we find out how terrible one product is and replace it, another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and we can't afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely frustrating to me. Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in general. http://www.ejfoundation.org/ " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 just so you know, sam's club IS walmart, in bulk. " sam " refers to sam walton, the founder of walmart. i know what you mean about going to a bunch of different places to get your food. we use a CSA, plus two health food stores and a mainstream grocery store. in the summer there are two farmer's markets we use. it's especially fun with 2 kids under 2 on the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I am a little behind in getting through messages so hopefully this wasn't said already. Do you have any space to grow any of your own vegetables? Even if it is a balcony or going in on a comunity plot? You can save money this way (at least part of the year) and maybe save up some of the savings to splurge on an organic shirt or some organic coffee. If you only have a balcony, for container gardening, you can offset the cost of buying potting soil by composting some of your scrap foods. Also, buying things like dried beans in bulk can save money. , L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > > You know what else is sad? That many of the poor are forced to exploit other poor people because they can't afford to get the non- exploited products, such as the fair trade chocolates and coffees. My husband and I, who are just starting out and are kind of poor, can't afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and foods, etc. We make sacrifices just to buy the organic foods because they are hard to find and very expensive in our area. And if you think the food is hard to find, the clothes are almost impossible--online ordering only if we were going to do that. For us, it is definitely not cheaper to be vegetarian and even more expensive to be vegan (which we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of finding foods and the social aspect of it--our situation is a little different). It makes me sad, but I don't know what else to do. We do what we can, but it never seems enough. As we find out how terrible one product is and replace it, another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate > or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and we can't afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely frustrating to me. > > Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in general. > http://www.ejfoundation.org/ > > " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi > > " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake > > " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley > > > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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