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If you're not feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice

Foundation's reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation

conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy

organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold video is only 90

seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it onto your family and

friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on what non-organic

cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child labor, etc... in

general.

http://www.ejfoundation.org/

 

 

" The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "

Gandhi

 

 

 

" Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake

 

 

 

" Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every

preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads,

or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley

 

 

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As vegetarians for environmental reasons, we really appreciate this article.

The effects of pesticides on the planet and people is so under reported. While

DDT can't be used in this country, it's ok to make it here, sell it to other

countries, and import foods with it.

 

Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling

too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White

Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to

the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton

comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch

it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for

educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the

environment, child labor, etc... in general.

http://www.ejfoundation.org/

 

" The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "

Gandhi

 

" Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake

 

" Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every

preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads,

or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley

 

 

Get your own web address.

Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

 

 

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Not only that, we get DDT sprayed in Mexico in our air in the states....ie.

there was a study of pesticides that were sprayed in TX and were detected in OH!

Our world is all ONE as we can cleary see from global warming.... but big

business and quotas don't care about that.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: As vegetarians for

environmental reasons, we really appreciate this article. The effects of

pesticides on the planet and people is so under reported. While DDT can't be

used in this country, it's ok to make it here, sell it to other countries, and

import foods with it.

 

Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy,

check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see

the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of

Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The

White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it

onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on

what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child

labor, etc... in general.

http://www.ejfoundation.org/

 

" The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "

Gandhi

 

" Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake

 

" Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every

preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads,

or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley

 

 

Get your own web address.

Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

 

 

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You know what else is sad? That many of the poor are forced to exploit other

poor people because they can't afford to get the non-exploited products, such as

the fair trade chocolates and coffees. My husband and I, who are just starting

out and are kind of poor, can't afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and

foods, etc. We make sacrifices just to buy the organic foods because they are

hard to find and very expensive in our area. And if you think the food is hard

to find, the clothes are almost impossible--online ordering only if we were

going to do that. For us, it is definitely not cheaper to be vegetarian and even

more expensive to be vegan (which we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of

finding foods and the social aspect of it--our situation is a little different).

It makes me sad, but I don't know what else to do. We do what we can, but it

never seems enough. As we find out how terrible one product is and replace it,

another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate

or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and we can't

afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely frustrating to me.

 

Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling

too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White

Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to

the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton

comes from. The White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch

it and pass it onto your family and friends. This is a great website for

educating yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the

environment, child labor, etc... in general.

http://www.ejfoundation.org/

 

" The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "

Gandhi

 

" Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake

 

" Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every

preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads,

or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley

 

 

Get your own web address.

Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

 

 

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Are you near a costco? we are able to buy organics there at a much lower price

than anywhere else (we share the really big things with neighbors). I get an

awesome coffe, organic and fairly traded and roasted by starbucks for really

cheap (it is a " kirkland " house brand); they also carry several organic products

by muir glen; organic whole wheat spagetti, organic oatmeal, organic eggs and

milk, etc. we only buy fairly traded coffee and chocolates and what we can't

afford we just don't buy. i bought some bittersweet dark " coins " at costco,

organic and fairly traded, that were unbelievable; the small portions really do

last longer at our house.

 

L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: You know what else is

sad? That many of the poor are forced to exploit other poor people because they

can't afford to get the non-exploited products, such as the fair trade

chocolates and coffees. My husband and I, who are just starting out and are kind

of poor, can't afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and foods, etc. We

make sacrifices just to buy the organic foods because they are hard to find and

very expensive in our area. And if you think the food is hard to find, the

clothes are almost impossible--online ordering only if we were going to do that.

For us, it is definitely not cheaper to be vegetarian and even more expensive to

be vegan (which we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of finding foods and

the social aspect of it--our situation is a little different). It makes me sad,

but I don't know what else to do. We do what we can, but it never seems enough.

As we find out how terrible one product is

and replace it, another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate

or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and we can't

afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely frustrating to me.

 

Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy,

check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see

the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of

Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The

White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it

onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on

what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child

labor, etc... in general.

http://www.ejfoundation.org/

 

" The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "

Gandhi

 

" Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake

 

" Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every

preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads,

or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley

 

 

Get your own web address.

Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

 

 

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no, no costco. No any kind of organic-friendly chain (except Wal mart and it is

still hard to find a LOT of things, and I don't really like Walmart). The

closest thing to that is Sam's club, which we do have a membership to, but they

don't sell too many organic things. I am learning, though, where to shop and how

to spend money more wisely. It just takes a lot more effort than it used to,

when I would just go to Walmart or Kroger and buy everything all at once. :) We

do the best we can and learn as much as possible so if one month we do have more

money, we can purchase the better product, and in the future, when I am finished

with school, we can totally go for it all.

 

Sorry, I wasn't trying to turn the thread into a pity party kind of thing. I

was just pointing out how the rich exploit the poor by pitting the poor against

the poor. I don't think that all of them realize it (and if they did, I am not

even sure they would care). I wasn't at all trying to turn it into a " me " thing.

 

robin koloms <rkoloms wrote:

Are you near a costco? we are able to buy organics there at a much

lower price than anywhere else (we share the really big things with neighbors).

I get an awesome coffe, organic and fairly traded and roasted by starbucks for

really cheap (it is a " kirkland " house brand); they also carry several organic

products by muir glen; organic whole wheat spagetti, organic oatmeal, organic

eggs and milk, etc. we only buy fairly traded coffee and chocolates and what we

can't afford we just don't buy. i bought some bittersweet dark " coins " at

costco, organic and fairly traded, that were unbelievable; the small portions

really do last longer at our house.

 

L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: You know what else is sad? That

many of the poor are forced to exploit other poor people because they can't

afford to get the non-exploited products, such as the fair trade chocolates and

coffees. My husband and I, who are just starting out and are kind of poor, can't

afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and foods, etc. We make sacrifices

just to buy the organic foods because they are hard to find and very expensive

in our area. And if you think the food is hard to find, the clothes are almost

impossible--online ordering only if we were going to do that. For us, it is

definitely not cheaper to be vegetarian and even more expensive to be vegan

(which we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of finding foods and the social

aspect of it--our situation is a little different). It makes me sad, but I don't

know what else to do. We do what we can, but it never seems enough. As we find

out how terrible one product is

and replace it, another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate

or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and we can't

afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely frustrating to me.

 

Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not feeling too weepy,

check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's reports on White Gold to see

the blanket poverty and devastation conventional cotton brings to the nation of

Uzbekistan. Good reason to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The

White Gold video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it

onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating yourself on

what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the environment, child

labor, etc... in general.

http://www.ejfoundation.org/

 

" The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "

Gandhi

 

" Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake

 

" Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every

preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads,

or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley

 

 

Get your own web address.

Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

 

 

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just so you know, sam's club IS walmart, in bulk. " sam " refers to sam

walton, the founder of walmart.

 

i know what you mean about going to a bunch of different places to get your

food. we use a CSA, plus two health food stores and a mainstream grocery

store. in the summer there are two farmer's markets we use. it's

especially fun with 2 kids under 2 on the bus. :)

 

 

 

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I am a little behind in getting through messages so hopefully this

wasn't said already. Do you have any space to grow any of your own

vegetables? Even if it is a balcony or going in on a comunity

plot? You can save money this way (at least part of the year) and

maybe save up some of the savings to splurge on an organic shirt or

some organic coffee. If you only have a balcony, for container

gardening, you can offset the cost of buying potting soil by

composting some of your scrap foods. Also, buying things like dried

beans in bulk can save money.

 

, L Friend

<mountain_laurel1183 wrote:

>

> You know what else is sad? That many of the poor are forced to

exploit other poor people because they can't afford to get the non-

exploited products, such as the fair trade chocolates and coffees.

My husband and I, who are just starting out and are kind of poor,

can't afford to buy the organic clothes, coffee, and foods, etc. We

make sacrifices just to buy the organic foods because they are hard

to find and very expensive in our area. And if you think the food is

hard to find, the clothes are almost impossible--online ordering

only if we were going to do that. For us, it is definitely not

cheaper to be vegetarian and even more expensive to be vegan (which

we aren't entirely due to the difficulty of finding foods and the

social aspect of it--our situation is a little different). It makes

me sad, but I don't know what else to do. We do what we can, but it

never seems enough. As we find out how terrible one product is and

replace it, another one pops up. I don't buy chocolate

> or coffee hardly at all any more, but we have to have clothes and

we can't afford to replace our entire wardrobe. It is definitely

frustrating to me.

>

> Tricia McElwee <triciamcelwee wrote: If you're not

feeling too weepy, check out the Environmental Justice Foundation's

reports on White Gold to see the blanket poverty and devastation

conventional cotton brings to the nation of Uzbekistan. Good reason

to buy organic and know where you cotton comes from. The White Gold

video is only 90 seconds....it's quite a video, watch it and pass it

onto your family and friends. This is a great website for educating

yourself on what non-organic cottons are doing for agriculture, the

environment, child labor, etc... in general.

> http://www.ejfoundation.org/

>

> " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals

are treated. " Gandhi

>

> " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake

>

> " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give

up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever

abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley

>

>

> Get your own web address.

> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

>

>

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