Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 That's the group I left a little while back. There are some vegetarians and vegans, which is nice, but there are others who WILL attack you, whether on or off list, and some of these people are downright crazy. This is the list where someone posted the gory details of how a mouse died in a snap trap and this person thought it was funny, and when I posted back that that sort of detail was inappropriate I pretty much got my head chewed off by several people. I really didn't find that group any more helpful than I find this one. It seems like most people on this group don't mind subjects that aren't food-related... please correct me if I'm wrong! After being on the healthy parenting group I will never again join a group that isn't specifically for vegetarians/vegans. I can't stand having our diet choice be insulted by people who feed their babies livers! rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote: I enjoy this group immensely. However, it would be nice to have a place where co-sleeping and gentle discipline, though accepted, is not off thread. Not that anyone really seems to mind here. But a place to have book discussions and share tips on parenting outside food issues, yet where food issues are a priority would be nice. I started creating our own veg natural parenting site when I decide to search - no need to reinvent the wheel. Sure enough, there is one called healthy parenting that claims to discuss veg living. Here is the link healthy_parenting/ I also want to keep something at a local level because I want playgroups for my child and the ability to make my own real life friends through mutual lifestyles. But, I am definitely in need of more support than I can get at the moment. At this point I welcome questions just so I can have a conversation. Most other Moms just drift away from me now. Sure, there are plenty of young, childless women who are very interested in what I am doing, but no " I know what you've been through today " support. I get vegetarian support or natural parenting, not both at the same time. If this Healthy Parenting group doesn't fit the bill, I will start a vegetarian natural/attachment parenting group. But, I will need help moderating. Do you volunteer Chandelle? Carrol , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > > > i don't have any idea of what to do about the natural parenting group. i > feel like i've been totally crowded out. i've been considering leaving > because i'm so sick of being ganged up on. i'm the only person who is even > vegetarian, much less vegan. most everyone else eats a mostly " normal " > diet, but there are a few WAPers who are bringing everyone else over to the > dark side. > >> > ok, thanks for letting me vent. you know, we should just start our own > vegetarian natural-parenting group. i live in a very conservative area and > having a group like that is my salvation when i can't stand one more > uninformed, condescending, i'm-only-asking-so-i-can-make-a-point question > about why i use cloth diapers or bother getting donated milk for my daughter > or co-sleep or...blah blah blah. i wish it could be local, but i'll take > anything at this point if i can have a group where i'm not going to get 50 > bashing responses to ANY post i make answering a question about diet. > > chandelle' > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Guys, I wanted to mention that there is a leafy vegetable (which is consumed by chinese and Indians) and you can get that in Indian and Chinese/Vietnamese store. It grows as a shrub and had light green and thck leaves. That sucker is RICH in Vitamin B12. Unfortunately, with such limited variety being available in US, its just a matter of hunting a bit deeper than what you see in regular grocery stores. Look further into other countries and you will be amazed how many amazing variety of vegetable exist. Also, i was raised as a vegetarian and have been pretty desciplined to ensure my food is balanced and wholesome. My blood iron was a non issue during pregnancy and i gave birth to a healthy 8 1/2 pounder. So, that article (the one about vegetarians having no fat etc) does'nt speak for most of us....are'nt there so many mal-nutritioned teenagers/adults in US who are meat eaters? It does'nt matter what you eat...you just have to keep it in moderation and balanced. Awareness is the key...i guess whoever authored that article needs to do more research...that is a very narrow sighted view.... reed mangels <reedmangels Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:35:42 AM Re: Vegetarian Myths - How to Dispute? I just wanted to clear up one possible misconception - vitamin B12 is not usually added to fortified bread (unless the label specifically lists B12 as being added). Miso and tempeh are not reliable sources of vitamin B12. Vegans can get vitamin B12 from fortified foods (some brands of cereal, soymilk, fake meat, nutritional yeast) and/or supplements. Be sure to check the label - a good friend was sure she was buying a fortified soymilk, checked the label and learned it was fortified with calcium and vitamin D but not with vitamin B12. Reed Reed Mangels, PhD, RD Nutrition Advisor, The Vegetarian Resource Group PO Box 1463 Baltimore, MD 21203 www.vrg.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 what veggie is that??? i thought it was crazy that they were talking about veg's having no fat. i also had an extremely healthy vegan pregnancy - a ton healthier than my omni one. unlike my first one, my iron was no issue, and neither was my weight. i actually gained a normal amount of weight this time (20-25 lbs.) rather than 13 pounds as with my omni pregnancy. my daughter was 8 lbs. at birth, only 3 ounces les than my son, who was 10 days " overdue " while my daughter was 2 weeks " early. " i still had heartburn, but i didn't retain water like crazy the way i did the first time (the day i had my son i looked down and actually said out loud, " i have ankles again! " ). my pregnancy was much more pleasant and my labor was 51 hours shorter. i recovered faster and better. i've struggled with anemia all my life, until i went vegan. i also had IBS from ten years old on, until i went vegan. i also had headaches and my body was such a wreck from FMS i could barely walk or carry my son, until i went vegan. and i was just about the moodiest person you'd ever meet, until i went vegan. almost every positive lifestyle change our family has made - incluidng AP - has stemmed from the awareness that being veg brings. so whatever those crazy people have to say, i just look at my own history, and then think about going back to animal foods, and just smile and nod, because i know better. kadee, i'm sorry to hear that the HP group is rotten. i guess we will see. this group does seem pretty tolerant of OT subjects, although i do recall being attacked pretty harshly once for talking about homebirth...which wasn't likely a very good idea for that person, whomever it was, because attacking homebirth to a student midwife is just an exercise in futility. i did try to keep it civil and i don't really think it ended on a negative note - i didn't have any negative feelings toward that person, but i did have to make an effort to correct some misconceptions - but other than that, OT subjects do seem pretty acceptable. we should probably list our subject more accurately so that people who don't to certain methods of lifestyle can just delete the post if they don't wish to read it. IME, however, that rarely happens, because some people just really go out of their way to be offended. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Very good point, Liz. If you don't mind someone else in the Chicago area saying this too, I'm going to use it as well. Marla > I had a thought this morning on a similar subject, > which might be of use to others on this list. > > Another of the anti-veg arguments that we often have > to face is the issue of soy. We've certainly debunked > the anti-soy arguments on this list before! But as a > one-line retort, it just occured to me to say to > omnivores: " you probably eat more soy than I do. " > People don't realize how much soy is hidden in the > SAD, both directly and also through the fact that the > animals they eat have been fed soy products. Since > our family, like most of the families on this list, > eat almost everything from basic ingredients instead > of pre-prepared foods, the only soy we eat is when we > consciously choose to put tofu, etc. in our meals. We > don't have soy by-products hidden in everything. > > Maybe this issue doesn't come up as much for others, > but I know I'll need to use that line soon! > > Liz > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & amp; communities. Links > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I haven't read this entire thread, so sorry if this is a repeat...a lot of the refigerated juices, like Bolthouse Farms, have a large % of the RDA of Bs. Of course, you have to make sure you keep them refigerated, bc they're " lightly " or flash pasturized. The vitamins and %s depend on the flavor. Here is info for Blue Goodness http://www.bolthouse.com/html/cs_bluegoodness_n.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Where in Chicago are you? We live in West Rogers Park. Marla Rose <marla wrote: Very good point, Liz. If you don't mind someone else in the Chicago area saying this too, I'm going to use it as well. Marla > I had a thought this morning on a similar subject, > which might be of use to others on this list. > > Another of the anti-veg arguments that we often have > to face is the issue of soy. We've certainly debunked > the anti-soy arguments on this list before! But as a > one-line retort, it just occured to me to say to > omnivores: " you probably eat more soy than I do. " > People don't realize how much soy is hidden in the > SAD, both directly and also through the fact that the > animals they eat have been fed soy products. Since > our family, like most of the families on this list, > eat almost everything from basic ingredients instead > of pre-prepared foods, the only soy we eat is when we > consciously choose to put tofu, etc. in our meals. We > don't have soy by-products hidden in everything. > > Maybe this issue doesn't come up as much for others, > but I know I'll need to use that line soon! > > Liz > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & amp; communities. Links > > > > Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Hi, Robin, I'm sorry; I didn't see this message. We live in Oak Park, but our members are all around Chicago and the neighboring 'burbs for the most part. I could sear that I emailed you about the Chicago Vegan Family Network before because I noticed in one of your posts long ago that you live in Rogers Park, but I must have dreamed it. Anyway, I will PM you how to get on our if you're interested. Marla > Where in Chicago are you? We live in West Rogers Park. > > Marla Rose <marla wrote: Very good point, Liz. If > you don't mind someone else in the Chicago area > saying this too, I'm going to use it as well. > > Marla > >> I had a thought this morning on a similar subject, >> which might be of use to others on this list. >> >> Another of the anti-veg arguments that we often have >> to face is the issue of soy. We've certainly debunked >> the anti-soy arguments on this list before! But as a >> one-line retort, it just occured to me to say to >> omnivores: " you probably eat more soy than I do. " >> People don't realize how much soy is hidden in the >> SAD, both directly and also through the fact that the >> animals they eat have been fed soy products. Since >> our family, like most of the families on this list, >> eat almost everything from basic ingredients instead >> of pre-prepared foods, the only soy we eat is when we >> consciously choose to put tofu, etc. in our meals. We >> don't have soy by-products hidden in everything. >> >> Maybe this issue doesn't come up as much for others, >> but I know I'll need to use that line soon! >> >> Liz >> >> >> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at >> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to >> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to >> provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a >> qualified health professional. >> >> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health >> professional. >> >> >> - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & amp; communities. Links >> >> >> >> > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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