Re:second-hand animal products (kind of long too!)

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Hi Chandelle, Hi everyone, I signed up to this group months ago now. I always

read your messages, but it's always late at night and I can't work up the energy

to stay up and introduce myself. It's late tonight too, but it's time! I'm

vegan, mother of three. My kids are nearly 6, nearly 4 and just turned 1. My

husband is vegan too, we were both vegan when we met. He's been vegan 14 years

and I've been vegan 12 years. We are vegan for the animals. We live in Australia

and we don't know any other vegan families locally, so I came here looking for

support. Sometimes I wonder about my sanity, but most of the time I can see it's

not us that's crazy, it's all the people who don't think. I'm like you,

Chandelle, I think about everything I do, weigh things up, think about

consequences, etc. (except when someone says something really stupid and a

retort slips out of my mouth before I even realise I was thinking it- oops!). We

mostly buy secondhand too. I don't think there's anything

ethically wrong with what you're doing, the logic is all there. We don't buy

leather shoes for ourselves or for the kids, even though there are heaps of them

available secondhand, it just feels wrong to be wearing bits of dead animals. If

my kids knew they wouldn't wear them anyway, it'd freak them out. Kids shoes are

really hard secondhand though. My husband still wears his old woollen jumpers,

but he won't buy any more and neither will I. I won't wear anything from animals

because it feels wrong to me. But I know that the synthetic fibres I wear have

not been produced without causing problems too. If there's a choice I try to buy

locally, I try not to buy stuff which is not made to last, I don't like to be

part of this crazy consumer society. Not easy. My mother-in-law has been staying

with us for 2 months (aaaagh), it's such a pleasure for her to BUY clothes and

perfume (yuck!) for herself and as presents for other people, she can't

understand why it's not such a

pleasure for me. I go to those shops and see all these people spending hundreds

of dollars on clothes and stinky products, when some people don't have enough

money to eat. Then I go to the secondhand market and see the piles and piles of

clothes and toys that noone wants. It's just so wrong. But for her, wearing new

clothes and using at least 10 'beauty' products every day means self-respect.

Scary. Excuse my rambling, I am tired. About the bread, I make my own bread with

just flour (ww or spelt), dry yeast, salt and water. It always turns out yummy,

and is great for sandwiches. I also make a no knead one with tahini which is

good. But the flour is very important, we buy organic or biodynamic, usually

stoneground, very fresh (not enriched, they don't really do that here). I've

made bagels too, and they just have a little sugar and olive oil in and they

worked fine. I've also made sourdough with barley, rye and spelt in different

combinations, that's my favourite and you

don't even need yeast. My kids love it, but it's definitely heavier than

'normal' bread. Happy to give you recipes, but the flour is the thing and maybe

getting used to a different taste and texture... I was wondering how you like

your midwifery course and will you be a homebirth midwife? My babies were all

born without a doctor present, the second two at home. They were not that

straightforward and the last one weighed 10 lbs 2oz, but we did it, together!

Certainly made me appreciate good midwives, I've thought about training too.

Lastly, I think you're amazing running round getting breastmilk for your baby.

Breastfeeding has been very painful for me as I have Reynaud's syndrome in my

nipples, but I still feel so lucky to be able to feed my baby this perfect food

when and where I want. So much easier than bottles etc. It's good to know that

there are all these people who care out there, even if you are all on the other

side of the world! I'm off to bed now, have a good

day! Naomi

 

 

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Since most of the posters on this list are American, I

wanted to point out that:

 

<<My husband still wears his old woollen jumpers>>

 

Jumpers are sweaters.

 

Liz

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Hi Naomi, I love your name!! Do share those bread recipes when you have time,

I've never tried making bread before and it doesn't sound like what you're

making has a whole ton of ingredients! I tried rolls once like my grandmother

makes, and they turned out like rocks.

 

I used to be into all the nice perfume and stuff like that, showering every day

with really nice body wash and expensive shampoo, and then once I learned what

all was in that stuff I'm down to showering maybe twice a week (or when I really

need to), using as little soap and shampoo as possible, using natural products

rather than grocery store junk, and I'd rather die now than wear perfume. It's

scary stuff!! And such a waste of money too!! With the money I save from a

single trip to Bath & Body Works I could get a brand new add-on cage for my

mice, or a pretty new leash for one of the dogs, several neat new toys for the

kids, or best of all, a fun-filled trip to my new heaven, Whole Foods Market!!

All that, and the only sacrifice is that I don't smell like poisonous flowers.

 

naomiwilkes <naomiwilkes wrote: Hi

Chandelle, Hi everyone, I signed up to this group months ago now. I always read

your messages, but it's always late at night and I can't work up the energy to

stay up and introduce myself. It's late tonight too, but it's time! I'm vegan,

mother of three. My kids are nearly 6, nearly 4 and just turned 1. My husband is

vegan too, we were both vegan when we met. He's been vegan 14 years and I've

been vegan 12 years. We are vegan for the animals. We live in Australia and we

don't know any other vegan families locally, so I came here looking for support.

Sometimes I wonder about my sanity, but most of the time I can see it's not us

that's crazy, it's all the people who don't think. I'm like you, Chandelle, I

think about everything I do, weigh things up, think about consequences, etc.

(except when someone says something really stupid and a retort slips out of my

mouth before I even realise I was

thinking it- oops!). We mostly buy secondhand too. I don't think there's

anything

ethically wrong with what you're doing, the logic is all there. We don't buy

leather shoes for ourselves or for the kids, even though there are heaps of them

available secondhand, it just feels wrong to be wearing bits of dead animals. If

my kids knew they wouldn't wear them anyway, it'd freak them out. Kids shoes are

really hard secondhand though. My husband still wears his old woollen jumpers,

but he won't buy any more and neither will I. I won't wear anything from animals

because it feels wrong to me. But I know that the synthetic fibres I wear have

not been produced without causing problems too. If there's a choice I try to buy

locally, I try not to buy stuff which is not made to last, I don't like to be

part of this crazy consumer society. Not easy. My mother-in-law has been staying

with us for 2 months (aaaagh), it's such a pleasure for her to BUY clothes and

perfume (yuck!) for herself and as presents for other people, she can't

understand why it's not such a

pleasure for me. I go to those shops and see all these people spending

hundreds of dollars on clothes and stinky products, when some people don't have

enough money to eat. Then I go to the secondhand market and see the piles and

piles of clothes and toys that noone wants. It's just so wrong. But for her,

wearing new clothes and using at least 10 'beauty' products every day means

self-respect. Scary. Excuse my rambling, I am tired. About the bread, I make my

own bread with just flour (ww or spelt), dry yeast, salt and water. It always

turns out yummy, and is great for sandwiches. I also make a no knead one with

tahini which is good. But the flour is very important, we buy organic or

biodynamic, usually stoneground, very fresh (not enriched, they don't really do

that here). I've made bagels too, and they just have a little sugar and olive

oil in and they worked fine. I've also made sourdough with barley, rye and spelt

in different combinations, that's my favourite and you

don't even need yeast. My kids love it, but it's definitely heavier than

'normal' bread. Happy to give you recipes, but the flour is the thing and maybe

getting used to a different taste and texture... I was wondering how you like

your midwifery course and will you be a homebirth midwife? My babies were all

born without a doctor present, the second two at home. They were not that

straightforward and the last one weighed 10 lbs 2oz, but we did it, together!

Certainly made me appreciate good midwives, I've thought about training too.

Lastly, I think you're amazing running round getting breastmilk for your baby.

Breastfeeding has been very painful for me as I have Reynaud's syndrome in my

nipples, but I still feel so lucky to be able to feed my baby this perfect food

when and where I want. So much easier than bottles etc. It's good to know that

there are all these people who care out there, even if you are all on the other

side of the world! I'm off to bed now, have a good

day! Naomi

 

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i LOVE natural products! i am pretty obsessive about smell, as i mentioned

in a previous post. and i use to be SO OCD about showers, makeup, etc. but

now i'm so much better. i don't use makeup at all anymore. i'm down to

showering once or twice a week and my hair and skin look better than ever.

my perfume now is diluted essential oil - i love cedarwood. we use the rock

for deodorant and one rock lasts for a year between the two of us. i make

my own shampoo when i have the time or just do an apple cider vinegar/baking

soda rinse with some EOs for good smells. i like the nature's gate stuff

when i don't have time to make my own but they've recently begun adding a

bunch of chemicals to their stuff, so that's a disapoointment. i use that

kiss my face patchouli lotion because it smells so yummy. and i don't

shave anymore, on the suggestion of my husband (which is easy for me because

i'm a redhead and have really thin, light hair anyway). i've made such

advances, i'm amazed at myself! and i always smell good and feel healthy,

which is the unexpected thing. i always thought that if i didn't shower

every day, or even twice a day, i would look really gross and smell yucky,

but it's completely the opposite. i'm sure the food helps.

 

On 2/23/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> Hi Naomi, I love your name!! Do share those bread recipes when you have

> time, I've never tried making bread before and it doesn't sound like what

> you're making has a whole ton of ingredients! I tried rolls once like my

> grandmother makes, and they turned out like rocks.

>

> I used to be into all the nice perfume and stuff like that, showering

> every day with really nice body wash and expensive shampoo, and then once I

> learned what all was in that stuff I'm down to showering maybe twice a week

> (or when I really need to), using as little soap and shampoo as possible,

> using natural products rather than grocery store junk, and I'd rather die

> now than wear perfume. It's scary stuff!! And such a waste of money too!!

> With the money I save from a single trip to Bath & Body Works I could get a

> brand new add-on cage for my mice, or a pretty new leash for one of the

> dogs, several neat new toys for the kids, or best of all, a fun-filled trip

> to my new heaven, Whole Foods Market!! All that, and the only sacrifice is

> that I don't smell like poisonous flowers.

>

> naomiwilkes <naomiwilkes

> wrote: Hi Chandelle, Hi everyone, I signed

> up to this group months ago now. I always read your messages, but it's

> always late at night and I can't work up the energy to stay up and introduce

> myself. It's late tonight too, but it's time! I'm vegan, mother of three. My

> kids are nearly 6, nearly 4 and just turned 1. My husband is vegan too, we

> were both vegan when we met. He's been vegan 14 years and I've been vegan 12

> years. We are vegan for the animals. We live in Australia and we don't know

> any other vegan families locally, so I came here looking for support.

> Sometimes I wonder about my sanity, but most of the time I can see it's not

> us that's crazy, it's all the people who don't think. I'm like you,

> Chandelle, I think about everything I do, weigh things up, think about

> consequences, etc. (except when someone says something really stupid and a

> retort slips out of my mouth before I even realise I was

> thinking it- oops!). We mostly buy secondhand too. I don't think there's

> anything

> ethically wrong with what you're doing, the logic is all there. We don't

> buy leather shoes for ourselves or for the kids, even though there are heaps

> of them available secondhand, it just feels wrong to be wearing bits of dead

> animals. If my kids knew they wouldn't wear them anyway, it'd freak them

> out. Kids shoes are really hard secondhand though. My husband still wears

> his old woollen jumpers, but he won't buy any more and neither will I. I

> won't wear anything from animals because it feels wrong to me. But I know

> that the synthetic fibres I wear have not been produced without causing

> problems too. If there's a choice I try to buy locally, I try not to buy

> stuff which is not made to last, I don't like to be part of this crazy

> consumer society. Not easy. My mother-in-law has been staying with us for 2

> months (aaaagh), it's such a pleasure for her to BUY clothes and perfume

> (yuck!) for herself and as presents for other people, she can't understand

> why it's not such a

> pleasure for me. I go to those shops and see all these people spending

> hundreds of dollars on clothes and stinky products, when some people don't

> have enough money to eat. Then I go to the secondhand market and see the

> piles and piles of clothes and toys that noone wants. It's just so wrong.

> But for her, wearing new clothes and using at least 10 'beauty' products

> every day means self-respect. Scary. Excuse my rambling, I am tired. About

> the bread, I make my own bread with just flour (ww or spelt), dry yeast,

> salt and water. It always turns out yummy, and is great for sandwiches. I

> also make a no knead one with tahini which is good. But the flour is very

> important, we buy organic or biodynamic, usually stoneground, very fresh

> (not enriched, they don't really do that here). I've made bagels too, and

> they just have a little sugar and olive oil in and they worked fine. I've

> also made sourdough with barley, rye and spelt in different combinations,

> that's my favourite and you

> don't even need yeast. My kids love it, but it's definitely heavier than

> 'normal' bread. Happy to give you recipes, but the flour is the thing and

> maybe getting used to a different taste and texture... I was wondering how

> you like your midwifery course and will you be a homebirth midwife? My

> babies were all born without a doctor present, the second two at home. They

> were not that straightforward and the last one weighed 10 lbs 2oz, but we

> did it, together! Certainly made me appreciate good midwives, I've thought

> about training too. Lastly, I think you're amazing running round getting

> breastmilk for your baby. Breastfeeding has been very painful for me as I

> have Reynaud's syndrome in my nipples, but I still feel so lucky to be able

> to feed my baby this perfect food when and where I want. So much easier than

> bottles etc. It's good to know that there are all these people who care out

> there, even if you are all on the other side of the world! I'm off to bed

> now, have a good

> day! Naomi

>

>

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>

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Yeah, I was on the phone with my sister and somehow she started talking about

how she and her husband take 2 showers a day, EACH!! I told her I hadn't had a

shower in a week and she thought that was so gross. But I have had great skin

and hair ever since becoming vegetarian when I was almost 13, but since I

stopped showering all the stikin' time my eczema is GONE, I don't have that

stupid little dry patch on my face anymore that drove me nuts... it wasn't much

of a real problem but still it was maddening... my sister, with those twice

daily showers, has acne even at 21 years old. Silly.

 

How do you go about using ACV and baking soda for shampoo? I've been using

Nature's Gate shampoo lately but I didn't know they used bad stuff. Did I

ever post the link to this group to that article about how vegetarians smell

better? It's pretty amusing. I told Jeff that's why he stinks.

 

chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i

LOVE natural products! i am pretty obsessive about smell, as i mentioned

in a previous post. and i use to be SO OCD about showers, makeup, etc. but

now i'm so much better. i don't use makeup at all anymore. i'm down to

showering once or twice a week and my hair and skin look better than ever.

my perfume now is diluted essential oil - i love cedarwood. we use the rock

for deodorant and one rock lasts for a year between the two of us. i make

my own shampoo when i have the time or just do an apple cider vinegar/baking

soda rinse with some EOs for good smells. i like the nature's gate stuff

when i don't have time to make my own but they've recently begun adding a

bunch of chemicals to their stuff, so that's a disapoointment. i use that

kiss my face patchouli lotion because it smells so yummy. and i don't

shave anymore, on the suggestion of my husband (which is easy for me because

i'm a redhead and have really thin, light hair anyway). i've made such

advances, i'm amazed at myself! and i always smell good and feel healthy,

which is the unexpected thing. i always thought that if i didn't shower

every day, or even twice a day, i would look really gross and smell yucky,

but it's completely the opposite. i'm sure the food helps.

 

On 2/23/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> Hi Naomi, I love your name!! Do share those bread recipes when you have

> time, I've never tried making bread before and it doesn't sound like what

> you're making has a whole ton of ingredients! I tried rolls once like my

> grandmother makes, and they turned out like rocks.

>

> I used to be into all the nice perfume and stuff like that, showering

> every day with really nice body wash and expensive shampoo, and then once I

> learned what all was in that stuff I'm down to showering maybe twice a week

> (or when I really need to), using as little soap and shampoo as possible,

> using natural products rather than grocery store junk, and I'd rather die

> now than wear perfume. It's scary stuff!! And such a waste of money too!!

> With the money I save from a single trip to Bath & Body Works I could get a

> brand new add-on cage for my mice, or a pretty new leash for one of the

> dogs, several neat new toys for the kids, or best of all, a fun-filled trip

> to my new heaven, Whole Foods Market!! All that, and the only sacrifice is

> that I don't smell like poisonous flowers.

>

> naomiwilkes <naomiwilkes

> wrote: Hi Chandelle, Hi everyone, I signed

> up to this group months ago now. I always read your messages, but it's

> always late at night and I can't work up the energy to stay up and introduce

> myself. It's late tonight too, but it's time! I'm vegan, mother of three. My

> kids are nearly 6, nearly 4 and just turned 1. My husband is vegan too, we

> were both vegan when we met. He's been vegan 14 years and I've been vegan 12

> years. We are vegan for the animals. We live in Australia and we don't know

> any other vegan families locally, so I came here looking for support.

> Sometimes I wonder about my sanity, but most of the time I can see it's not

> us that's crazy, it's all the people who don't think. I'm like you,

> Chandelle, I think about everything I do, weigh things up, think about

> consequences, etc. (except when someone says something really stupid and a

> retort slips out of my mouth before I even realise I was

> thinking it- oops!). We mostly buy secondhand too. I don't think there's

> anything

> ethically wrong with what you're doing, the logic is all there. We don't

> buy leather shoes for ourselves or for the kids, even though there are heaps

> of them available secondhand, it just feels wrong to be wearing bits of dead

> animals. If my kids knew they wouldn't wear them anyway, it'd freak them

> out. Kids shoes are really hard secondhand though. My husband still wears

> his old woollen jumpers, but he won't buy any more and neither will I. I

> won't wear anything from animals because it feels wrong to me. But I know

> that the synthetic fibres I wear have not been produced without causing

> problems too. If there's a choice I try to buy locally, I try not to buy

> stuff which is not made to last, I don't like to be part of this crazy

> consumer society. Not easy. My mother-in-law has been staying with us for 2

> months (aaaagh), it's such a pleasure for her to BUY clothes and perfume

> (yuck!) for herself and as presents for other people, she can't understand

> why it's not such a

> pleasure for me. I go to those shops and see all these people spending

> hundreds of dollars on clothes and stinky products, when some people don't

> have enough money to eat. Then I go to the secondhand market and see the

> piles and piles of clothes and toys that noone wants. It's just so wrong.

> But for her, wearing new clothes and using at least 10 'beauty' products

> every day means self-respect. Scary. Excuse my rambling, I am tired. About

> the bread, I make my own bread with just flour (ww or spelt), dry yeast,

> salt and water. It always turns out yummy, and is great for sandwiches. I

> also make a no knead one with tahini which is good. But the flour is very

> important, we buy organic or biodynamic, usually stoneground, very fresh

> (not enriched, they don't really do that here). I've made bagels too, and

> they just have a little sugar and olive oil in and they worked fine. I've

> also made sourdough with barley, rye and spelt in different combinations,

> that's my favourite and you

> don't even need yeast. My kids love it, but it's definitely heavier than

> 'normal' bread. Happy to give you recipes, but the flour is the thing and

> maybe getting used to a different taste and texture... I was wondering how

> you like your midwifery course and will you be a homebirth midwife? My

> babies were all born without a doctor present, the second two at home. They

> were not that straightforward and the last one weighed 10 lbs 2oz, but we

> did it, together! Certainly made me appreciate good midwives, I've thought

> about training too. Lastly, I think you're amazing running round getting

> breastmilk for your baby. Breastfeeding has been very painful for me as I

> have Reynaud's syndrome in my nipples, but I still feel so lucky to be able

> to feed my baby this perfect food when and where I want. So much easier than

> bottles etc. It's good to know that there are all these people who care out

> there, even if you are all on the other side of the world! I'm off to bed

> now, have a good

> day! Naomi

>

>

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>

>

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baking soda helps to " polish " hair by removing chemicals and impurities. i

use it about once or twice a month. i just mix some with water in my hand

and run it through my hair. ACV is actually useful for lots of beauty

stuff.

 

http://www.care2.com/channels/solutions/self/927

 

i don't like how it smells so after i rinse it out i run a tiny bit of EO

through and rinse. they both make your hair amazingly squeaky clean and

shiny.

 

it totally makes sense to me that eliminating animal products would make you

smell better. animal products literally rot in the body. they take forever

to digest because there's no fiber. if garlic and strong herbs can be

secreted through the sebaceous glands, then surely rotting flesh can too.

 

On 2/23/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> Yeah, I was on the phone with my sister and somehow she started talking

> about how she and her husband take 2 showers a day, EACH!! I told her I

> hadn't had a shower in a week and she thought that was so gross. But I have

> had great skin and hair ever since becoming vegetarian when I was almost 13,

> but since I stopped showering all the stikin' time my eczema is GONE, I

> don't have that stupid little dry patch on my face anymore that drove me

> nuts... it wasn't much of a real problem but still it was maddening... my

> sister, with those twice daily showers, has acne even at 21 years old.

> Silly.

>

> How do you go about using ACV and baking soda for shampoo? I've been using

> Nature's Gate shampoo lately but I didn't know they used bad stuff. Did I

> ever post the link to this group to that article about how vegetarians smell

> better? It's pretty amusing. I told Jeff that's why he stinks.

>

> chandelle' <earthmother213

> wrote: i LOVE natural products! i am

> pretty obsessive about smell, as i mentioned

> in a previous post. and i use to be SO OCD about showers, makeup,

> etc. but

> now i'm so much better. i don't use makeup at all anymore. i'm down to

> showering once or twice a week and my hair and skin look better than ever.

> my perfume now is diluted essential oil - i love cedarwood. we use the

> rock

> for deodorant and one rock lasts for a year between the two of us. i make

> my own shampoo when i have the time or just do an apple cider

> vinegar/baking

> soda rinse with some EOs for good smells. i like the nature's gate stuff

> when i don't have time to make my own but they've recently begun adding a

> bunch of chemicals to their stuff, so that's a disapoointment. i use that

> kiss my face patchouli lotion because it smells so yummy. and i don't

> shave anymore, on the suggestion of my husband (which is easy for me

> because

> i'm a redhead and have really thin, light hair anyway). i've made such

> advances, i'm amazed at myself! and i always smell good and feel healthy,

> which is the unexpected thing. i always thought that if i didn't shower

> every day, or even twice a day, i would look really gross and smell yucky,

> but it's completely the opposite. i'm sure the food helps.

>

> On 2/23/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

> >

> > Hi Naomi, I love your name!! Do share those bread recipes when you have

> > time, I've never tried making bread before and it doesn't sound like

> what

> > you're making has a whole ton of ingredients! I tried rolls once like my

> > grandmother makes, and they turned out like rocks.

> >

> > I used to be into all the nice perfume and stuff like that, showering

> > every day with really nice body wash and expensive shampoo, and then

> once I

> > learned what all was in that stuff I'm down to showering maybe twice a

> week

> > (or when I really need to), using as little soap and shampoo as

> possible,

> > using natural products rather than grocery store junk, and I'd rather

> die

> > now than wear perfume. It's scary stuff!! And such a waste of money

> too!!

> > With the money I save from a single trip to Bath & Body Works I could

> get a

> > brand new add-on cage for my mice, or a pretty new leash for one of the

> > dogs, several neat new toys for the kids, or best of all, a fun-filled

> trip

> > to my new heaven, Whole Foods Market!! All that, and the only sacrifice

> is

> > that I don't smell like poisonous flowers.

> >

> > naomiwilkes <naomiwilkes

> > wrote: Hi Chandelle, Hi everyone, I

> signed

> > up to this group months ago now. I always read your messages, but it's

> > always late at night and I can't work up the energy to stay up and

> introduce

> > myself. It's late tonight too, but it's time! I'm vegan, mother of

> three. My

> > kids are nearly 6, nearly 4 and just turned 1. My husband is vegan too,

> we

> > were both vegan when we met. He's been vegan 14 years and I've been

> vegan 12

> > years. We are vegan for the animals. We live in Australia and we don't

> know

> > any other vegan families locally, so I came here looking for support.

> > Sometimes I wonder about my sanity, but most of the time I can see it's

> not

> > us that's crazy, it's all the people who don't think. I'm like you,

> > Chandelle, I think about everything I do, weigh things up, think about

> > consequences, etc. (except when someone says something really stupid and

> a

> > retort slips out of my mouth before I even realise I was

> > thinking it- oops!). We mostly buy secondhand too. I don't think there's

> > anything

> > ethically wrong with what you're doing, the logic is all there. We

> don't

> > buy leather shoes for ourselves or for the kids, even though there are

> heaps

> > of them available secondhand, it just feels wrong to be wearing bits of

> dead

> > animals. If my kids knew they wouldn't wear them anyway, it'd freak them

> > out. Kids shoes are really hard secondhand though. My husband still

> wears

> > his old woollen jumpers, but he won't buy any more and neither will I. I

> > won't wear anything from animals because it feels wrong to me. But I

> know

> > that the synthetic fibres I wear have not been produced without causing

> > problems too. If there's a choice I try to buy locally, I try not to buy

> > stuff which is not made to last, I don't like to be part of this crazy

> > consumer society. Not easy. My mother-in-law has been staying with us

> for 2

> > months (aaaagh), it's such a pleasure for her to BUY clothes and perfume

> > (yuck!) for herself and as presents for other people, she can't

> understand

> > why it's not such a

> > pleasure for me. I go to those shops and see all these people spending

> > hundreds of dollars on clothes and stinky products, when some people

> don't

> > have enough money to eat. Then I go to the secondhand market and see the

> > piles and piles of clothes and toys that noone wants. It's just so

> wrong.

> > But for her, wearing new clothes and using at least 10 'beauty' products

> > every day means self-respect. Scary. Excuse my rambling, I am tired.

> About

> > the bread, I make my own bread with just flour (ww or spelt), dry yeast,

> > salt and water. It always turns out yummy, and is great for sandwiches.

> I

> > also make a no knead one with tahini which is good. But the flour is

> very

> > important, we buy organic or biodynamic, usually stoneground, very fresh

> > (not enriched, they don't really do that here). I've made bagels too,

> and

> > they just have a little sugar and olive oil in and they worked fine.

> I've

> > also made sourdough with barley, rye and spelt in different

> combinations,

> > that's my favourite and you

> > don't even need yeast. My kids love it, but it's definitely heavier

> than

> > 'normal' bread. Happy to give you recipes, but the flour is the thing

> and

> > maybe getting used to a different taste and texture... I was wondering

> how

> > you like your midwifery course and will you be a homebirth midwife? My

> > babies were all born without a doctor present, the second two at home.

> They

> > were not that straightforward and the last one weighed 10 lbs 2oz, but

> we

> > did it, together! Certainly made me appreciate good midwives, I've

> thought

> > about training too. Lastly, I think you're amazing running round getting

> > breastmilk for your baby. Breastfeeding has been very painful for me as

> I

> > have Reynaud's syndrome in my nipples, but I still feel so lucky to be

> able

> > to feed my baby this perfect food when and where I want. So much easier

> than

> > bottles etc. It's good to know that there are all these people who care

> out

> > there, even if you are all on the other side of the world! I'm off to

> bed

> > now, have a good

> > day! Naomi

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Here is a link to the info about using baking soda and apple cider

vinegar. I saw this article when it first came out and have been doing

it ever since (March 2005) and all the old problems I use to have with

my hair and scalp are gone. My husband switched over too. Now we find on

the rare occasions we use shampoo and conditioner (i.e. when I go get a

haircut) our hair is flat and lifeless.

http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/go/index.php/389/why-you-should-go-no-poo/

Heather

 

Kadee M wrote:

>

> ( ... )

>

> How do you go about using ACV and baking soda for shampoo? I've been

> using Nature's Gate shampoo lately but I didn't know they used bad

> stuff. Did I ever post the link to this group to that article about

> how vegetarians smell better? It's pretty amusing. I told Jeff that's

> why he stinks.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Cool, thanks. I will definitely try that next time I wash my hair.

 

ACV is what I use to clean my dogs' ears and I also put it in their food to get

rid of tear stains. Cool stuff, it is.

 

chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote:

baking soda helps to " polish " hair by removing chemicals and impurities. i

use it about once or twice a month. i just mix some with water in my hand

and run it through my hair. ACV is actually useful for lots of beauty

stuff.

 

http://www.care2.com/channels/solutions/self/927

 

i don't like how it smells so after i rinse it out i run a tiny bit of EO

through and rinse. they both make your hair amazingly squeaky clean and

shiny.

 

it totally makes sense to me that eliminating animal products would make you

smell better. animal products literally rot in the body. they take forever

to digest because there's no fiber. if garlic and strong herbs can be

secreted through the sebaceous glands, then surely rotting flesh can too.

 

On 2/23/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> Yeah, I was on the phone with my sister and somehow she started talking

> about how she and her husband take 2 showers a day, EACH!! I told her I

> hadn't had a shower in a week and she thought that was so gross. But I have

> had great skin and hair ever since becoming vegetarian when I was almost 13,

> but since I stopped showering all the stikin' time my eczema is GONE, I

> don't have that stupid little dry patch on my face anymore that drove me

> nuts... it wasn't much of a real problem but still it was maddening... my

> sister, with those twice daily showers, has acne even at 21 years old.

> Silly.

>

> How do you go about using ACV and baking soda for shampoo? I've been using

> Nature's Gate shampoo lately but I didn't know they used bad stuff. Did I

> ever post the link to this group to that article about how vegetarians smell

> better? It's pretty amusing. I told Jeff that's why he stinks.

>

> chandelle' <earthmother213

> wrote: i LOVE natural products! i am

> pretty obsessive about smell, as i mentioned

> in a previous post. and i use to be SO OCD about showers, makeup,

> etc. but

> now i'm so much better. i don't use makeup at all anymore. i'm down to

> showering once or twice a week and my hair and skin look better than ever.

> my perfume now is diluted essential oil - i love cedarwood. we use the

> rock

> for deodorant and one rock lasts for a year between the two of us. i make

> my own shampoo when i have the time or just do an apple cider

> vinegar/baking

> soda rinse with some EOs for good smells. i like the nature's gate stuff

> when i don't have time to make my own but they've recently begun adding a

> bunch of chemicals to their stuff, so that's a disapoointment. i use that

> kiss my face patchouli lotion because it smells so yummy. and i don't

> shave anymore, on the suggestion of my husband (which is easy for me

> because

> i'm a redhead and have really thin, light hair anyway). i've made such

> advances, i'm amazed at myself! and i always smell good and feel healthy,

> which is the unexpected thing. i always thought that if i didn't shower

> every day, or even twice a day, i would look really gross and smell yucky,

> but it's completely the opposite. i'm sure the food helps.

>

> On 2/23/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

> >

> > Hi Naomi, I love your name!! Do share those bread recipes when you have

> > time, I've never tried making bread before and it doesn't sound like

> what

> > you're making has a whole ton of ingredients! I tried rolls once like my

> > grandmother makes, and they turned out like rocks.

> >

> > I used to be into all the nice perfume and stuff like that, showering

> > every day with really nice body wash and expensive shampoo, and then

> once I

> > learned what all was in that stuff I'm down to showering maybe twice a

> week

> > (or when I really need to), using as little soap and shampoo as

> possible,

> > using natural products rather than grocery store junk, and I'd rather

> die

> > now than wear perfume. It's scary stuff!! And such a waste of money

> too!!

> > With the money I save from a single trip to Bath & Body Works I could

> get a

> > brand new add-on cage for my mice, or a pretty new leash for one of the

> > dogs, several neat new toys for the kids, or best of all, a fun-filled

> trip

> > to my new heaven, Whole Foods Market!! All that, and the only sacrifice

> is

> > that I don't smell like poisonous flowers.

> >

> > naomiwilkes <naomiwilkes

> > wrote: Hi Chandelle, Hi everyone, I

> signed

> > up to this group months ago now. I always read your messages, but it's

> > always late at night and I can't work up the energy to stay up and

> introduce

> > myself. It's late tonight too, but it's time! I'm vegan, mother of

> three. My

> > kids are nearly 6, nearly 4 and just turned 1. My husband is vegan too,

> we

> > were both vegan when we met. He's been vegan 14 years and I've been

> vegan 12

> > years. We are vegan for the animals. We live in Australia and we don't

> know

> > any other vegan families locally, so I came here looking for support.

> > Sometimes I wonder about my sanity, but most of the time I can see it's

> not

> > us that's crazy, it's all the people who don't think. I'm like you,

> > Chandelle, I think about everything I do, weigh things up, think about

> > consequences, etc. (except when someone says something really stupid and

> a

> > retort slips out of my mouth before I even realise I was

> > thinking it- oops!). We mostly buy secondhand too. I don't think there's

> > anything

> > ethically wrong with what you're doing, the logic is all there. We

> don't

> > buy leather shoes for ourselves or for the kids, even though there are

> heaps

> > of them available secondhand, it just feels wrong to be wearing bits of

> dead

> > animals. If my kids knew they wouldn't wear them anyway, it'd freak them

> > out. Kids shoes are really hard secondhand though. My husband still

> wears

> > his old woollen jumpers, but he won't buy any more and neither will I. I

> > won't wear anything from animals because it feels wrong to me. But I

> know

> > that the synthetic fibres I wear have not been produced without causing

> > problems too. If there's a choice I try to buy locally, I try not to buy

> > stuff which is not made to last, I don't like to be part of this crazy

> > consumer society. Not easy. My mother-in-law has been staying with us

> for 2

> > months (aaaagh), it's such a pleasure for her to BUY clothes and perfume

> > (yuck!) for herself and as presents for other people, she can't

> understand

> > why it's not such a

> > pleasure for me. I go to those shops and see all these people spending

> > hundreds of dollars on clothes and stinky products, when some people

> don't

> > have enough money to eat. Then I go to the secondhand market and see the

> > piles and piles of clothes and toys that noone wants. It's just so

> wrong.

> > But for her, wearing new clothes and using at least 10 'beauty' products

> > every day means self-respect. Scary. Excuse my rambling, I am tired.

> About

> > the bread, I make my own bread with just flour (ww or spelt), dry yeast,

> > salt and water. It always turns out yummy, and is great for sandwiches.

> I

> > also make a no knead one with tahini which is good. But the flour is

> very

> > important, we buy organic or biodynamic, usually stoneground, very fresh

> > (not enriched, they don't really do that here). I've made bagels too,

> and

> > they just have a little sugar and olive oil in and they worked fine.

> I've

> > also made sourdough with barley, rye and spelt in different

> combinations,

> > that's my favourite and you

> > don't even need yeast. My kids love it, but it's definitely heavier

> than

> > 'normal' bread. Happy to give you recipes, but the flour is the thing

> and

> > maybe getting used to a different taste and texture... I was wondering

> how

> > you like your midwifery course and will you be a homebirth midwife? My

> > babies were all born without a doctor present, the second two at home.

> They

> > were not that straightforward and the last one weighed 10 lbs 2oz, but

> we

> > did it, together! Certainly made me appreciate good midwives, I've

> thought

> > about training too. Lastly, I think you're amazing running round getting

> > breastmilk for your baby. Breastfeeding has been very painful for me as

> I

> > have Reynaud's syndrome in my nipples, but I still feel so lucky to be

> able

> > to feed my baby this perfect food when and where I want. So much easier

> than

> > bottles etc. It's good to know that there are all these people who care

> out

> > there, even if you are all on the other side of the world! I'm off to

> bed

> > now, have a good

> > day! Naomi

> >

> >

> > It's here! Your new message!

> > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar.

> >

> >