Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Marla asked (about Chicago veggie places): <<Are you talking about Pick-Me-Up? If so, it's very vegan-friendly, with especially popular breakfast/brunches, but it's not exclusively vegan. Also, I believe that they have late hours during the week, but are only 24-hours on the weekend. Then again, this may not be what you were referring to and I need to learn about the other place.>> That SOUNDS right. Amelia told me about it when we were at Tank Sushi (lots o' veggie stuff there!) with Val. Sorry I didn't get the details right. And even more sorry that there aren't TWO late night/all night vegan places. <<Speaking of, though, a vegan place that already is open on the far south side, in Beverly, called Veggie Bite, is going to be opening on Broadway near the Century Mall in the Spring. It's really good food that I can't eat much of (primarily soy and seitan). It'll be really popular, though.>> The south side is definitely not as veggie-friendly as the north side, although Soul Vegetarian East on 75th near the Dan Ryan and Natural Harvest at 71st & Jeffrey are worth knowing about. And Chinatown is so close, as are Little Italy and Greektown. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Please enlighten me -- I'm not sure what veg*n stands for either -- I was assuming it meant vegetarian/vegan? Heather chandelle' wrote: > > we don't have a car. and the public transportation system in our area is a > joke. and we have 2 small children under 2. and this is the land of WAPF, > as far as i can see. so no, i do not have a veg*n community. (i just > learned what veg*n refers to so i'm going to use it all the time now. ) > there are a handful of veg*n restaurants, including sage's cafe, which has > been voted one of the best veg*n restaurants in america and even > received an > endorsement by moby, and it IS awesome, but also pretty pricey for po' > folks > such as we, so that's only for VERY special occasions, and when we can > borrow a car. i thought when i joined some natural-parenting groups that > there would be lots of vegetarians/vegans, but i am usually the only one > because for some reason, here in utah that WAPF diet really appeals to > people, and almost everyone i meet loves it and even if they're not > actually > implementing it (because who in hell could afford to?), they want to > or are > trying to, and consider veg*ns the devil. search me. > > chandelle' > > On 3/5/07, robin koloms <rkoloms > <rkoloms%40>> wrote: > > > > And oh so easy to live without a car. > > > > robin koloms <rkoloms <rkoloms%40>> wrote: > I'm also in Chicago, though on > > the far north side (no where near Oak Park), just south of Evanston. > There > > is a huge veg community; home school groups; great veg and veg friendly > > restaurants; etc. > > > > ERB <bakwin <bakwin%40sbcglobal.net>> wrote: If > you have to stay in Texas, > > move to Austin. If you > > can move elsewhere, well, I was going to say find a > > college town, but apparently even that didn't work for > > Jessica! It's easy enough to find young veg*n singles > > in the hip part of whatever town you're in, as long as > > the town has a large enough general > > population....finding like-minded families with > > children is the tough part. I'm part of the Chicago > > crowd on this list, and agree with what's been said so > > far about our city & Oak Park (just outside Chicago > > city limits). In fact, I just learned this weekend > > that there's a 24-hour vegan restaurant on the north > > side of Chicago. I'll bet you can't find THAT in > > Houston! > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > > > > > > > > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 If you want to come say hi let us know, I'm always cooking something or another and you guys could come have dinner with us. Jess <veg4animals2006 wrote: We come back quite regularly since my father's family lives in Millstadt. I'm actually coming up this weekend to visit an old friend who moved to Europe and has come back. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) Kadee M <abbey_road3012 Sunday, March 4, 2007 11:26:36 PM Re: Do you have a veg*n community? Cool!! If y'all ever come back to visit we should meet up. Jess <veg4animals2006@ > wrote: Well.. I'm originally from O'Fallon, IL.. so I know exactly where SAFB is. I worked in Fairview Heights and Belleville, and my fiance is from Belleville and Freeburg. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > @gro ups.com Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:42:58 PM Re: Do you have a veg*n community? You're from St. Louis?? I live at Scott AFB, about 1/2 hr. from there. Jess <veg4animals2006@ > wrote: Here, in my current town, vegetarians are a rarity, even with two campuses in this small town. I've only met one other vegetarian here. In St. Louis, where I moved from, we had a HUGE community of vegs. It was awesome. I never was looked at as " strange " or " weird " . I was just accepted as part of the culture and society. I miss it. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) Shannon Bierbaum <vegmama (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Sunday, March 4, 2007 7:07:44 PM Re: Do you have a veg*n community? Oooo, great topic. I'm very interested as well. I live in Minneapolis and I'm sure there is a community here but I haven't found it yet. All of our family-friends are very veg-friendly but not veg*n. Shannon On 3/4/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > ~Leah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 My son turns 2 later this month... I too worry that he will fall victim to lots of peer pressure when he gets a little older. I'm sure it's a lot harder for boys to be vegetarian/vegan than it is for girls... which is saying a lot! It's tough for anybody. It's good to know though that there are others out there raising veg sons, and I hope so much that whenever my Jeffery gets in school there's another boy like him, or a girl, or whatever, so he's not all alone. Ilse Knecht <iknecht wrote: I'm new here. Been lurking for a few days. This list moves! I'm also in Chicago...near wrigley. DH and I are vegetarians and we have a 16 month old son. Joined this list partly to get some new ideas for dinner and snacks for son. He eats a lot of soy products now and drinks soy milk, mostly because he has a milk intolerance it seems. We do a lot of soy (meat) substitutes. We don't eat meat for ethical and environmental reasons. I do like the meat substitutes though. Quorn is my favorit brand. Looks like folks on this list are a little more progressive than we are food-wise but with my son, I have been trying to move back to my better ways (college, early 20's was vegan and did lots of environmental work). I practice Attachment parenting as much as I can. I do work but out of the house full-time so I am here a lot with my son. We co-sleep, babywear and practive positive discipline. Hmmm....I think that is us in a nutshell. Oh, I am concerned about raising a vegetarian boy in this society. My husband gets a lot of pressure and weird comments all the time during the course of his work. I hope to have the tools to support my son when the time comes. Enjoying the dialogue so far... Ilse >>> rkoloms 03/05/07 5:46 AM >>> I'm also in Chicago, though on the far north side (no where near Oak Park), just south of Evanston. There is a huge veg community; home school groups; great veg and veg friendly restaurants; etc. ERB <bakwin wrote: If you have to stay in Texas, move to Austin. If you can move elsewhere, well, I was going to say find a college town, but apparently even that didn't work for Jessica! It's easy enough to find young veg*n singles in the hip part of whatever town you're in, as long as the town has a large enough general population....finding like-minded families with children is the tough part. I'm part of the Chicago crowd on this list, and agree with what's been said so far about our city & Oak Park (just outside Chicago city limits). In fact, I just learned this weekend that there's a 24-hour vegan restaurant on the north side of Chicago. I'll bet you can't find THAT in Houston! Liz Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 maybe one day we'll have the meat industry doing ads like phillip morris does with stopping smoking (3 million lawsuits later)...don't eat meat:its cool to be vegetarian. yeah, right. Ilse >>> abbey_road3012 03/05/07 3:48 PM >>> My son turns 2 later this month... I too worry that he will fall victim to lots of peer pressure when he gets a little older. I'm sure it's a lot harder for boys to be vegetarian/vegan than it is for girls... which is saying a lot! It's tough for anybody. It's good to know though that there are others out there raising veg sons, and I hope so much that whenever my Jeffery gets in school there's another boy like him, or a girl, or whatever, so he's not all alone. Ilse Knecht <iknecht wrote: I'm new here. Been lurking for a few days. This list moves! I'm also in Chicago...near wrigley. DH and I are vegetarians and we have a 16 month old son. Joined this list partly to get some new ideas for dinner and snacks for son. He eats a lot of soy products now and drinks soy milk, mostly because he has a milk intolerance it seems. We do a lot of soy (meat) substitutes. We don't eat meat for ethical and environmental reasons. I do like the meat substitutes though. Quorn is my favorit brand. Looks like folks on this list are a little more progressive than we are food-wise but with my son, I have been trying to move back to my better ways (college, early 20's was vegan and did lots of environmental work). I practice Attachment parenting as much as I can. I do work but out of the house full-time so I am here a lot with my son. We co-sleep, babywear and practive positive discipline. Hmmm....I think that is us in a nutshell. Oh, I am concerned about raising a vegetarian boy in this society. My husband gets a lot of pressure and weird comments all the time during the course of his work. I hope to have the tools to support my son when the time comes. Enjoying the dialogue so far... Ilse >>> rkoloms 03/05/07 5:46 AM >>> I'm also in Chicago, though on the far north side (no where near Oak Park), just south of Evanston. There is a huge veg community; home school groups; great veg and veg friendly restaurants; etc. ERB <bakwin wrote: If you have to stay in Texas, move to Austin. If you can move elsewhere, well, I was going to say find a college town, but apparently even that didn't work for Jessica! It's easy enough to find young veg*n singles in the hip part of whatever town you're in, as long as the town has a large enough general population....finding like-minded families with children is the tough part. I'm part of the Chicago crowd on this list, and agree with what's been said so far about our city & Oak Park (just outside Chicago city limits). In fact, I just learned this weekend that there's a 24-hour vegan restaurant on the north side of Chicago. I'll bet you can't find THAT in Houston! Liz Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 That would be interesting--sue the meat industry for something like osteoporosis. they tell you to eat meat, and then you wind up with no bones. Did anyone see that article in Parents about how kids are starting to get osteoporosis? I was kind of mad that they didn't discuss too much meat as being one of the causes, and they suggested you drink dairy, even over soy. Ilse Knecht <iknecht wrote: maybe one day we'll have the meat industry doing ads like phillip morris does with stopping smoking (3 million lawsuits later)...don't eat meat:its cool to be vegetarian. yeah, right. Ilse >>> abbey_road3012 03/05/07 3:48 PM >>> My son turns 2 later this month... I too worry that he will fall victim to lots of peer pressure when he gets a little older. I'm sure it's a lot harder for boys to be vegetarian/vegan than it is for girls... which is saying a lot! It's tough for anybody. It's good to know though that there are others out there raising veg sons, and I hope so much that whenever my Jeffery gets in school there's another boy like him, or a girl, or whatever, so he's not all alone. Ilse Knecht <iknecht wrote: I'm new here. Been lurking for a few days. This list moves! I'm also in Chicago...near wrigley. DH and I are vegetarians and we have a 16 month old son. Joined this list partly to get some new ideas for dinner and snacks for son. He eats a lot of soy products now and drinks soy milk, mostly because he has a milk intolerance it seems. We do a lot of soy (meat) substitutes. We don't eat meat for ethical and environmental reasons. I do like the meat substitutes though. Quorn is my favorit brand. Looks like folks on this list are a little more progressive than we are food-wise but with my son, I have been trying to move back to my better ways (college, early 20's was vegan and did lots of environmental work). I practice Attachment parenting as much as I can. I do work but out of the house full-time so I am here a lot with my son. We co-sleep, babywear and practive positive discipline. Hmmm....I think that is us in a nutshell. Oh, I am concerned about raising a vegetarian boy in this society. My husband gets a lot of pressure and weird comments all the time during the course of his work. I hope to have the tools to support my son when the time comes. Enjoying the dialogue so far... Ilse >>> rkoloms 03/05/07 5:46 AM >>> I'm also in Chicago, though on the far north side (no where near Oak Park), just south of Evanston. There is a huge veg community; home school groups; great veg and veg friendly restaurants; etc. ERB <bakwin wrote: If you have to stay in Texas, move to Austin. If you can move elsewhere, well, I was going to say find a college town, but apparently even that didn't work for Jessica! It's easy enough to find young veg*n singles in the hip part of whatever town you're in, as long as the town has a large enough general population....finding like-minded families with children is the tough part. I'm part of the Chicago crowd on this list, and agree with what's been said so far about our city & Oak Park (just outside Chicago city limits). In fact, I just learned this weekend that there's a 24-hour vegan restaurant on the north side of Chicago. I'll bet you can't find THAT in Houston! Liz Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 It looks like a lot of Chicago area people, nice! We live in Champaign-Urbana (University of Illinois) and we have a great community for the area. We have several families in our group of friends who are vegan and some vegetarian and many more who are veg-friendly. Most of them are homeschoolers and into " attachment parenting " and all that like we are. It is great to have a community where my kids think it is almost strange to meet someone who eats meat. Unfortunately, we have only one veg*n restaurant (run by students and only open during the week for lunch). I can't believe with such a great veg community that we don't have more restaurants! We go to Chicago when we want a good meal out. It might feel different here if we sent out kids to school and in our old neighborhood (a suburban type place outside of Champaign) we were the only veg*ns, but in the town of only 4100 there were at least three other vegan couples (just not in our neighborhood and not families). We did help convert some of our friends and we started a veg society when we first moved here (we've since dissolved it because it took too much of our time and we found we didn't need anything that formal). I'd love for someone else to start one though. :-) Although we are lucky, I still love for the days we lived in Maryland in the DC area and the veg*n support we had there. Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. http://games./games/front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 wow -that is crazy - the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding until age 2 at a minimum. That is too bad that the support group where you are is so off the mark. I live in Western New York, and there is a HUGE veg community and alternative parenting community here. I mean, I'm sure it's not so great as new york city or boston or san fran or some other big city, but for a medium size city, it's great. We have an active veg society, many local alternative parenting lists, a co-op and HFS that are great, a very veg friendly grocery chain, many veg friendly restaurants. I would definitely recommend it. _____ On Behalf Of Paul Falvo Monday, March 05, 2007 11:33 AM Re: Do you have a veg*n community? How's this for weird: where we live, even the Breastfeeding Support Group thinks it is WEIRD that my wife is still breastfeeding (at 21 months). So we are definitely Weirdos idea of Weird where we live (in the far North). Another reason to be GRATEFUL for this list. Interestingly, it is a place where folks like to be a little weird in different ways ... so there is at the same time high tolerance for weirdness. Weirdly yours ~Paul Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 That's exactly what my omni-husband is/was afraid of - being made fun of. I grew up in farm country (best friends lived on pig farms - eew - and we didn't eat meat) and I was fine. So I told him it was no big deal. We now live in Toronto which is ultra veg*n friendly. It's great! There are so many veg*n restaurants and also every place has a veg*n option (even the steakhouses! Yes, I have been dragged there.) So, I'm not worried. But I can understand how it might be different for kids in other less veg*n friendly places. But again, if I could do it in farm country it's definitely possible. Paula Kadee M <abbey_road3012 Monday, March 5, 2007 3:48:07 PM Re: Do you have a veg*n community? My son turns 2 later this month... I too worry that he will fall victim to lots of peer pressure when he gets a little older. I'm sure it's a lot harder for boys to be vegetarian/vegan than it is for girls... which is saying a lot! It's tough for anybody. It's good to know though that there are others out there raising veg sons, and I hope so much that whenever my Jeffery gets in school there's another boy like him, or a girl, or whatever, so he's not all alone. Ilse Knecht <iknecht (AT) ncvc (DOT) org> wrote: I'm new here. Been lurking for a few days. This list moves! I'm also in Chicago...near wrigley. DH and I are vegetarians and we have a 16 month old son. Joined this list partly to get some new ideas for dinner and snacks for son. He eats a lot of soy products now and drinks soy milk, mostly because he has a milk intolerance it seems. We do a lot of soy (meat) substitutes. We don't eat meat for ethical and environmental reasons. I do like the meat substitutes though. Quorn is my favorit brand. Looks like folks on this list are a little more progressive than we are food-wise but with my son, I have been trying to move back to my better ways (college, early 20's was vegan and did lots of environmental work). I practice Attachment parenting as much as I can. I do work but out of the house full-time so I am here a lot with my son. We co-sleep, babywear and practive positive discipline. Hmmm....I think that is us in a nutshell. Oh, I am concerned about raising a vegetarian boy in this society. My husband gets a lot of pressure and weird comments all the time during the course of his work. I hope to have the tools to support my son when the time comes. Enjoying the dialogue so far... Ilse >>> rkoloms 03/05/07 5:46 AM >>> I'm also in Chicago, though on the far north side (no where near Oak Park), just south of Evanston. There is a huge veg community; home school groups; great veg and veg friendly restaurants; etc. ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: If you have to stay in Texas, move to Austin. If you can move elsewhere, well, I was going to say find a college town, but apparently even that didn't work for Jessica! It's easy enough to find young veg*n singles in the hip part of whatever town you're in, as long as the town has a large enough general population.. ..finding like-minded families with children is the tough part. I'm part of the Chicago crowd on this list, and agree with what's been said so far about our city & Oak Park (just outside Chicago city limits). In fact, I just learned this weekend that there's a 24-hour vegan restaurant on the north side of Chicago. I'll bet you can't find THAT in Houston! Liz ------------ --------- --------- --- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Are describing Ithaca by any chance? We visited there for the first time this past summer and are now seriously planning on moving there. Currently we live in the Hudson Valley which is veg friendly but nothing compared to Ithaca. Katie , " leena " <leena wrote: > > wow -that is crazy - the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding > until age 2 at a minimum. That is too bad that the support group where you > are is so off the mark. > I live in Western New York, and there is a HUGE veg community and > alternative parenting community here. I mean, I'm sure it's not so great as > new york city or boston or san fran or some other big city, but for a medium > size city, it's great. We have an active veg society, many local alternative > parenting lists, a co-op and HFS that are great, a very veg friendly grocery > chain, many veg friendly restaurants. I would definitely recommend it. > > > _____ > > On > Behalf Of Paul Falvo > Monday, March 05, 2007 11:33 AM > > Re: Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > How's this for weird: where we live, even the Breastfeeding Support > Group thinks it is WEIRD that my wife is still breastfeeding (at 21 > months). > > So we are definitely Weirdos idea of Weird where we live (in the far > North). Another reason to be GRATEFUL for this list. > > Interestingly, it is a place where folks like to be a little weird in > different ways ... so there is at the same time high tolerance for > weirdness. > > Weirdly yours > ~Paul > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 i do not understand why people like me, who cloth-diaper and buy organic and practice attachment-parenting, etc., would continue to eat meat. don't they understand that living sustainably, being a gentle parent to teach our kids compassion, and promoting peace extends to animals too??? when i started joining AP groups i was so sure i would meet other parents who were veg too because to me it's just one part of the whole package. i have been really disappointed though. chandelle' On 3/4/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > > Hey, I'm a weirdo too! But two of my AP/extended nursing/cloth diapering > etc. friends are going vegetarian after hanging around with me for a few > years, though I think their carnivore husbands are less than pleased > with me. Mainly... I consider this group my veg*n community. There is a > local vegan group that has started up recently, but it seems there are > no other families involved. At least it's a start though! Someone even > opened a vegan store not far from here a few months back, with > groceries, a few clothing items like belts and bags, and books. I am in > Ontario, Canada. > Heather > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > > - > > Leah Little<leahrlittle > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > > > > <%40>< > > <%40>> > > Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:32 PM > > Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > > > ~Leah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Well duh, it's because humans are the only valuable beings in the universe. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i do not understand why people like me, who cloth-diaper and buy organic and practice attachment-parenting, etc., would continue to eat meat. don't they understand that living sustainably, being a gentle parent to teach our kids compassion, and promoting peace extends to animals too??? when i started joining AP groups i was so sure i would meet other parents who were veg too because to me it's just one part of the whole package. i have been really disappointed though. chandelle' On 3/4/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > > Hey, I'm a weirdo too! But two of my AP/extended nursing/cloth diapering > etc. friends are going vegetarian after hanging around with me for a few > years, though I think their carnivore husbands are less than pleased > with me. Mainly... I consider this group my veg*n community. There is a > local vegan group that has started up recently, but it seems there are > no other families involved. At least it's a start though! Someone even > opened a vegan store not far from here a few months back, with > groceries, a few clothing items like belts and bags, and books. I am in > Ontario, Canada. > Heather > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > > - > > Leah Little<leahrlittle > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > > > > <%40>< > > <%40>> > > Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:32 PM > > Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > > > ~Leah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 A lot of people just don't think about it. We who are not raised veg are taught from the time we are little that it is healthy to eat meat. It is in every mainstream textbook, nutrition book, television, etc. It is society's norm. Even when we are not learning about it, we see it as normal in other situations--whether it is a fiction book, tv, or whatever. Not to mention a lot of the criticism and stereotypes surrounding vegetarians. Even I was raised with those stereotypes, and they aren't very nice. We see it in the store and it comes to our plate, just like fruits and veggies and grains. We don't think about where it came from. Same goes to everything else we buy from shoes to shirts to furniture and electronics. To us, it came from the store. Most people don't think about how it got to the store. Then take areas like my rural area where you see happy looking cows grazing on huge fields, and you think that is how all cows are. In the media and even in many religions/denominations, animals are " just " animals. They are not people, so it is therefore okay to do whatever we want to with them. A lot of it is education and breaking habits. People who are educated on it and don't change seem to be in denial to me, because they come up with all these excuses, and really I think it is just that they don't want to be inconvenienced or change a lifetime of bad habits. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i do not understand why people like me, who cloth-diaper and buy organic and practice attachment-parenting, etc., would continue to eat meat. don't they understand that living sustainably, being a gentle parent to teach our kids compassion, and promoting peace extends to animals too??? when i started joining AP groups i was so sure i would meet other parents who were veg too because to me it's just one part of the whole package. i have been really disappointed though. chandelle' On 3/4/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > > Hey, I'm a weirdo too! But two of my AP/extended nursing/cloth diapering > etc. friends are going vegetarian after hanging around with me for a few > years, though I think their carnivore husbands are less than pleased > with me. Mainly... I consider this group my veg*n community. There is a > local vegan group that has started up recently, but it seems there are > no other families involved. At least it's a start though! Someone even > opened a vegan store not far from here a few months back, with > groceries, a few clothing items like belts and bags, and books. I am in > Ontario, Canada. > Heather > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > > - > > Leah Little<leahrlittle > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > > > > <%40>< > > <%40>> > > Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:32 PM > > Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > > > ~Leah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Well yeah, all that, plus the dinosaurs went extinct and that's a good reason to eat meat. I'm still not over that one. L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: A lot of people just don't think about it. We who are not raised veg are taught from the time we are little that it is healthy to eat meat. It is in every mainstream textbook, nutrition book, television, etc. It is society's norm. Even when we are not learning about it, we see it as normal in other situations--whether it is a fiction book, tv, or whatever. Not to mention a lot of the criticism and stereotypes surrounding vegetarians. Even I was raised with those stereotypes, and they aren't very nice. We see it in the store and it comes to our plate, just like fruits and veggies and grains. We don't think about where it came from. Same goes to everything else we buy from shoes to shirts to furniture and electronics. To us, it came from the store. Most people don't think about how it got to the store. Then take areas like my rural area where you see happy looking cows grazing on huge fields, and you think that is how all cows are. In the media and even in many religions/denominations, animals are " just " animals. They are not people, so it is therefore okay to do whatever we want to with them. A lot of it is education and breaking habits. People who are educated on it and don't change seem to be in denial to me, because they come up with all these excuses, and really I think it is just that they don't want to be inconvenienced or change a lifetime of bad habits. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i do not understand why people like me, who cloth-diaper and buy organic and practice attachment-parenting, etc., would continue to eat meat. don't they understand that living sustainably, being a gentle parent to teach our kids compassion, and promoting peace extends to animals too??? when i started joining AP groups i was so sure i would meet other parents who were veg too because to me it's just one part of the whole package. i have been really disappointed though. chandelle' On 3/4/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > > Hey, I'm a weirdo too! But two of my AP/extended nursing/cloth diapering > etc. friends are going vegetarian after hanging around with me for a few > years, though I think their carnivore husbands are less than pleased > with me. Mainly... I consider this group my veg*n community. There is a > local vegan group that has started up recently, but it seems there are > no other families involved. At least it's a start though! Someone even > opened a vegan store not far from here a few months back, with > groceries, a few clothing items like belts and bags, and books. I am in > Ontario, Canada. > Heather > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > > - > > Leah Little<leahrlittle > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > > > > <%40>< > > <%40>> > > Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:32 PM > > Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > > > ~Leah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Not only do they not want to think about it, but they think we are strange or freaky for thinking about it and pushy if we try to get them to think about it. And my mom has said to me THREE times now " When Dad and I were growing up we had uncles who were farmers and their farms were nice places, and we just have it fixed in our minds that that's how farms are. " Like we can't change our minds when presented with boatloads of evidence that times have changed? Heather Kadee M wrote: > > Well yeah, all that, plus the dinosaurs went extinct and that's a good > reason to eat meat. I'm still not over that one. > > L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 > <mountain_laurel1183%40>> wrote: A lot of people just > don't think about it. We who are not raised veg are taught from the > time we are little that it is healthy to eat meat. It is in every > mainstream textbook, nutrition book, television, etc. It is society's > norm. Even when we are not learning about it, we see it as normal in > other situations--whether it is a fiction book, tv, or whatever. Not > to mention a lot of the criticism and stereotypes surrounding > vegetarians. Even I was raised with those stereotypes, and they aren't > very nice. > > We see it in the store and it comes to our plate, just like fruits and > veggies and grains. We don't think about where it came from. Same goes > to everything else we buy from shoes to shirts to furniture and > electronics. To us, it came from the store. Most people don't think > about how it got to the store. Then take areas like my rural area > where you see happy looking cows grazing on huge fields, and you think > that is how all cows are. In the media and even in many > religions/denominations, animals are " just " animals. They are not > people, so it is therefore okay to do whatever we want to with them. A > lot of it is education and breaking habits. People who are educated on > it and don't change seem to be in denial to me, because they come up > with all these excuses, and really I think it is just that they don't > want to be inconvenienced or change a lifetime of bad habits. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > i do not understand why people like me, who cloth-diaper and buy > organic and > practice attachment-parenting, etc., would continue to eat meat. don't > they > understand that living sustainably, being a gentle parent to teach our > kids > compassion, and promoting peace extends to animals too??? when i started > joining AP groups i was so sure i would meet other parents who were > veg too > because to me it's just one part of the whole package. i have been really > disappointed though. > > chandelle' > > On 3/4/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 > <hlh4850%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hey, I'm a weirdo too! But two of my AP/extended nursing/cloth diapering > > etc. friends are going vegetarian after hanging around with me for a few > > years, though I think their carnivore husbands are less than pleased > > with me. Mainly... I consider this group my veg*n community. There is a > > local vegan group that has started up recently, but it seems there are > > no other families involved. At least it's a start though! Someone even > > opened a vegan store not far from here a few months back, with > > groceries, a few clothing items like belts and bags, and books. I am in > > Ontario, Canada. > > Heather > > > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > > > - > > > Leah Little<leahrlittle > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com> > > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>< > <%40> > > > <%40>> > > > Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:32 PM > > > Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > > > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > > > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > > > > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > > > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > > > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > > > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > > > > > ~Leah > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 oh, yeah, can't forget those dinosaurs!!! (*snort*) lol I think that proves my point about people coming up with excuses so they don't have to change. Denial is a very effective defense mechanism. Unfortunately, it is like talking to a brick wall. Laura Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: Well yeah, all that, plus the dinosaurs went extinct and that's a good reason to eat meat. I'm still not over that one. L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: A lot of people just don't think about it. We who are not raised veg are taught from the time we are little that it is healthy to eat meat. It is in every mainstream textbook, nutrition book, television, etc. It is society's norm. Even when we are not learning about it, we see it as normal in other situations--whether it is a fiction book, tv, or whatever. Not to mention a lot of the criticism and stereotypes surrounding vegetarians. Even I was raised with those stereotypes, and they aren't very nice. We see it in the store and it comes to our plate, just like fruits and veggies and grains. We don't think about where it came from. Same goes to everything else we buy from shoes to shirts to furniture and electronics. To us, it came from the store. Most people don't think about how it got to the store. Then take areas like my rural area where you see happy looking cows grazing on huge fields, and you think that is how all cows are. In the media and even in many religions/denominations, animals are " just " animals. They are not people, so it is therefore okay to do whatever we want to with them. A lot of it is education and breaking habits. People who are educated on it and don't change seem to be in denial to me, because they come up with all these excuses, and really I think it is just that they don't want to be inconvenienced or change a lifetime of bad habits. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: i do not understand why people like me, who cloth-diaper and buy organic and practice attachment-parenting, etc., would continue to eat meat. don't they understand that living sustainably, being a gentle parent to teach our kids compassion, and promoting peace extends to animals too??? when i started joining AP groups i was so sure i would meet other parents who were veg too because to me it's just one part of the whole package. i have been really disappointed though. chandelle' On 3/4/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > > Hey, I'm a weirdo too! But two of my AP/extended nursing/cloth diapering > etc. friends are going vegetarian after hanging around with me for a few > years, though I think their carnivore husbands are less than pleased > with me. Mainly... I consider this group my veg*n community. There is a > local vegan group that has started up recently, but it seems there are > no other families involved. At least it's a start though! Someone even > opened a vegan store not far from here a few months back, with > groceries, a few clothing items like belts and bags, and books. I am in > Ontario, Canada. > Heather > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > > - > > Leah Little<leahrlittle > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > > > > <%40>< > > <%40>> > > Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:32 PM > > Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > > > ~Leah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 no - I'm in rochester new york, but probably ithaca is even better - it's an officially " alternative " town, as opposed to rochester, which is more accidentally liberal i think. and to chana - I grew up in buffalo and i'm not surprised it's not great - it has a very different feel than rochester. I know there is an animal rights group there though - maybe called animal advocates of western new york or something like that? _____ On Behalf Of Katie Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:31 AM Re: Do you have a veg*n community? Are describing Ithaca by any chance? We visited there for the first time this past summer and are now seriously planning on moving there. Currently we live in the Hudson Valley which is veg friendly but nothing compared to Ithaca. Katie @gro <%40> ups.com, " leena " <leena wrote: > > wow -that is crazy - the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding > until age 2 at a minimum. That is too bad that the support group where you > are is so off the mark. > I live in Western New York, and there is a HUGE veg community and > alternative parenting community here. I mean, I'm sure it's not so great as > new york city or boston or san fran or some other big city, but for a medium > size city, it's great. We have an active veg society, many local alternative > parenting lists, a co-op and HFS that are great, a very veg friendly grocery > chain, many veg friendly restaurants. I would definitely recommend it. > > > _____ > > @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Falvo > Monday, March 05, 2007 11:33 AM > @gro <%40> ups.com > Re: Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > How's this for weird: where we live, even the Breastfeeding Support > Group thinks it is WEIRD that my wife is still breastfeeding (at 21 > months). > > So we are definitely Weirdos idea of Weird where we live (in the far > North). Another reason to be GRATEFUL for this list. > > Interestingly, it is a place where folks like to be a little weird in > different ways ... so there is at the same time high tolerance for > weirdness. > > Weirdly yours > ~Paul > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among the > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 OMG, that is the EXACT thing my MIL says. her grandfather was a dairy farmer in idaho...in the 50s. so she has fond memories of visiting him and petting the cows and feeding the chickens, etc., and as she says, she refuses to believe that he was mistreating his cows the way my husband and i have talked about on factory farms. to which i respond, how many customers did your grandfather have? oh, ten or twenty families, neighbors mainly. ok, well, a factory farm feeds hundreds of thousands of people within their radius. and there tens of thousands of factory farms, just within the US, and within each factory farm there could be upwards of ten thousand cows. and that's just dairy. so...where do you think they keep all those cows? in warehouses! on concrete! packed in like sardines in a can! and you think it's like your grandfather's sweet and quaint dairy farm? you think they're going to treat each cow gently and kindly and softly butter them up before milking them and try to extend their lives as long as possible? you think it's ANYTHING like the little label of " happy cows " in the pasture on your milk carton? give me a friggin' break. we would be crowded off the planet by cows alone if it was anything like that. cows these days are like used pieces of toilet paper to factory farmers. to which she responds, that's just the propaganda you've been fed. <deadpan stare> right. it's hopeless. people will believe whatever they'd like to believe to keep from claiming any of the responsibility that is rightly theirs. chandelle' On 3/6/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > > Not only do they not want to think about it, but they think we are > strange or freaky for thinking about it and pushy if we try to get them > to think about it. And my mom has said to me THREE times now " When Dad > and I were growing up we had uncles who were farmers and their farms > were nice places, and we just have it fixed in our minds that that's how > farms are. " Like we can't change our minds when presented with boatloads > of evidence that times have changed? > Heather > > Kadee M wrote: > > > > Well yeah, all that, plus the dinosaurs went extinct and that's a good > > reason to eat meat. I'm still not over that one. > > > > L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 > > <mountain_laurel1183%40>> wrote: A lot of people just > > don't think about it. We who are not raised veg are taught from the > > time we are little that it is healthy to eat meat. It is in every > > mainstream textbook, nutrition book, television, etc. It is society's > > norm. Even when we are not learning about it, we see it as normal in > > other situations--whether it is a fiction book, tv, or whatever. Not > > to mention a lot of the criticism and stereotypes surrounding > > vegetarians. Even I was raised with those stereotypes, and they aren't > > very nice. > > > > We see it in the store and it comes to our plate, just like fruits and > > veggies and grains. We don't think about where it came from. Same goes > > to everything else we buy from shoes to shirts to furniture and > > electronics. To us, it came from the store. Most people don't think > > about how it got to the store. Then take areas like my rural area > > where you see happy looking cows grazing on huge fields, and you think > > that is how all cows are. In the media and even in many > > religions/denominations, animals are " just " animals. They are not > > people, so it is therefore okay to do whatever we want to with them. A > > lot of it is education and breaking habits. People who are educated on > > it and don't change seem to be in denial to me, because they come up > > with all these excuses, and really I think it is just that they don't > > want to be inconvenienced or change a lifetime of bad habits. > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > > <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > i do not understand why people like me, who cloth-diaper and buy > > organic and > > practice attachment-parenting, etc., would continue to eat meat. don't > > they > > understand that living sustainably, being a gentle parent to teach our > > kids > > compassion, and promoting peace extends to animals too??? when i started > > joining AP groups i was so sure i would meet other parents who were > > veg too > > because to me it's just one part of the whole package. i have been > really > > disappointed though. > > > > chandelle' > > > > On 3/4/07, Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 > > <hlh4850%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Hey, I'm a weirdo too! But two of my AP/extended nursing/cloth > diapering > > > etc. friends are going vegetarian after hanging around with me for a > few > > > years, though I think their carnivore husbands are less than pleased > > > with me. Mainly... I consider this group my veg*n community. There is > a > > > local vegan group that has started up recently, but it seems there are > > > no other families involved. At least it's a start though! Someone even > > > opened a vegan store not far from here a few months back, with > > > groceries, a few clothing items like belts and bags, and books. I am > in > > > Ontario, Canada. > > > Heather > > > > > > Lisa Schroeder wrote: > > > > > > > > nope. I am already a " weirdo " with all the co-sleeping, attachment > > > > parenting, extended nursing, homeschooling, etc... and even among > the > > > > weirdos, I'm weird... seems they all eat chicken happily.. sighh > > > > - > > > > Leah Little<leahrlittle > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com> > > > > <leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>< > > <%40> > > > > <%40>> > > > > Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:32 PM > > > > Do you have a veg*n community? > > > > > > > > The subject says it all. I'm just curious if you guys have lots of > > > > vegetarian/vegan friends and if your kids will grow up with like- > > > > minded friends. I'm in Texas, need I say more? > > > > > > > > I want more veg*n community. It's something that my husband and I > > > > talk about a lot. I'm just not sure it can be achieved in > > > > Texas...well maybe in Austin, but definitely not where we > > > > live...Houston. If you have a good community, where do you live? > > > > > > > > ~Leah > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 If you ever make your way toward Pittsburgh on a weekend or something, only an hour or two away from you, there is a growing vegetarian group here and we get together fairly frequently. Feel free to e-mail me off-group if you are ever planning to be in the vacinity and I am sure I can convince a group of us to have a spontaneous gathering at a restaraunt or something. , Jen <thefourlakes wrote: > > I live in NE Ohio, and the veg community here seems to > be hard to get into. I know that there are a number > of veg and vegan individuals, because there are some > good health food stores with a variety of veg > products, but connecting with others is unbelievably > difficult. > In my particular town, which is small, I wouldn't be > surprised if ours is the only veg family, but we are > also new here, so I could be wrong. > > I'm not sure how to connect with others, though, > because, as a home schooling mom with numerous other > obligations, I don't have time to just post a sign > somewhere advertising a get together. I'd love to do > it, but I'd probably be too busy to attend. > > I have to pacify myself with reading the posts here > and trying to talk to others around me about healthful > eating whenever they are game to listen. I wonder if > some veg or vegan folks are quiet about their eating > habits, whether it's to avoid questions or just > because they don't advertise things like that. > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.