Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i came across a rare herb in the angelica family called ashitaba that is edible, high in chlorophyll and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i always thought one couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an organism in the soil and the only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt on them. it also says that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, anemia, cancer, hepatitis, and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try some out, and see if there are other herbs with b12! chandelle' -- " The true aim of education is to awaken real powers of perception and judgement in relation to life and living. For only such an awakening can lead to true freedom. " -Rudolf Steiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 hello chandelle, i just wonder what is ashitaba ?! do u have the picture or any website i can look for the definition or exact picture.... cos i have to translate it into local language to get it from the herb store tks/brgds//jeni --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i > came across a rare herb > in the angelica family called ashitaba that is > edible, high in chlorophyll > and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i > always thought one > couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an > organism in the soil and the > only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt > on them. it also says > that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, > anemia, cancer, hepatitis, > and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try > some out, and see if > there are other herbs with b12! > > chandelle' > > -- > " The true aim of education is to awaken real powers > of perception and > judgement in relation to life and living. For only > such an awakening can > lead to true freedom. " > -Rudolf Steiner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Please don't rely on an herb like ashitaba to provide vitamin B12. I have seen many lists of foods that are claimed to contain vitamin B12 but, when tested, turn out to have no active vitamin B12. Sometimes this is because the laboratory analyses that were done long ago actually measured vitamin B12 analogue and not true vitamin B12. Vitamin B12 analogue looked enough like vitamin B12 that it led to lab tests saying a food contained vitamin B12. The problem is that vitamin B12 analogue cannot be used by our bodies the way that vitamin B12 can be so that people relying on foods where the B12 is present in analogue form can develop a vitamin B12 deficiency. A vitamin B12 deficiency can have life-long consequences including damage to the nervous system and the brain. Unless a reliable lab analyzes a product using up-to-date lab tests and concludes that it is a good source of vitamin B12, it seems to me that it's not worth the risk of deficiency to count on the product as a vitamin B12 source. Reed Reed Mangels, PhD, RD Nutrition Advisor, The Vegetarian Resource Group b12 herb Posted by: " chandelle' " earthmother213 earthmama213 Wed Mar 7, 2007 7:13 pm (PST) looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i came across a rare herb in the angelica family called ashitaba that is edible, high in chlorophyll and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i always thought one couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an organism in the soil and the only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt on them. it also says that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, anemia, cancer, hepatitis, and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try some out, and see if there are other herbs with b12! chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 doing a quick search, there's a picture here: http://www.organicashitaba.com/ and here: http://www.ashitabagreen.com/about/what.html and here, here, and here: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tourism.metro.tokyo.jp/english\ /taberu/img/ph_ashitaba.jpg & imgrefurl=http://www.tourism.metro.tokyo.jp/english/\ taberu/tok_ashitaba.html & h=180 & w=250 & sz=22 & hl=en & start=1 & tbnid=BHWNpBUzOIKnYM: & t\ bnh=80 & tbnw=111 & prev=/images%3Fq%3Dashitaba%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfi\ refox-a%26rls%3DSwiftfox:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pref.aichi.jp/shokuhinkensa/ya\ sai/photo/ashitaba.jpg & imgrefurl=http://www.pref.aichi.jp/shokuhinkensa/yasai/yo\ usai.html & h=225 & w=300 & sz=19 & hl=en & start=2 & tbnid=ez5MEUncGbpkSM: & tbnh=87 & tbnw=116\ & prev=/images%3Fq%3Dashitaba%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3\ DSwiftfox:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.8jou.com/owners/asitabapic/ash\ itaba.jpg & imgrefurl=http://www.8jou.com/owners/asitaba.htm & h=288 & w=221 & sz=64 & hl=\ en & start=11 & tbnid=-m-3ndFHeBjnrM: & tbnh=115 & tbnw=88 & prev=/images%3Fq%3Dashitaba%2\ 6svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3DSwiftfox:en-US:unofficial%26s\ a%3DN apparently, i'm not the first to have discovered it. On 3/7/07, yani jeni <yani_jeni wrote: > > hello chandelle, > i just wonder what is ashitaba ?! > do u have the picture or any website i can look for > the definition or exact picture.... > cos i have to translate it into local language > to get it from the herb store > tks/brgds//jeni > --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > > looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i > > came across a rare herb > > in the angelica family called ashitaba that is > > edible, high in chlorophyll > > and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i > > always thought one > > couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an > > organism in the soil and the > > only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt > > on them. it also says > > that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, > > anemia, cancer, hepatitis, > > and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try > > some out, and see if > > there are other herbs with b12! > > > > chandelle' > > > > -- > > " The true aim of education is to awaken real powers > > of perception and > > judgement in relation to life and living. For only > > such an awakening can > > lead to true freedom. " > > -Rudolf Steiner > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv./collections/265 > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 I looked this herb up and it seems to be a powerhouse blood cleanser, antioxidant and detoxifier. But please don't use it as a source of B12. Vegans should educate themselves on inactive analogs of B12. These are the forms usually found in plants. Not only are they inactive but they can compete for the binding sites of the active B12 and decrease the total active B12 in our body, thus actually leading to a B12 deficiency. I read in one paper that the binding of inactive forms can last for up to 24 hours. One reference is: http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm#reliable " Tempeh, miso, sea vegetables, and other plant foods are sometimes reported to contain vitamin B12. These products, however, are not reliable sources of the vitamin. The standard method for measuring vitamin B12 in foods measures both active and inactive forms of vitamin B12. The inactive form (also called analogues) actually interferes with normal vitamin B12 absorption and metabolism (7). When only active vitamin B12 is measured, plant foods including fermented soyfoods and sea vegetables do not contain significant amounts of active vitamin B12 (8). " Another very long reference is http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/mol#USELESS and http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/meas While I don't avoid plant foods known to contain trace amounts of B12, I do not eat them often. I have had people on one list flame me for saying this as they eat a lot of seaweeds, spirulina, chorella, etc. I have asked my Japanese friends about this. They said they all eat a lot of fish so the animal source of active B12 is much greater than their seaweed source of inactive B12 and they feel this balances the vitamin. And there are medical papers posted on the web about B12 deficiency in Japanese people, so I haven't been convinced that B12 from seaweed is a good thing. Hope this helps Carrol - -- In , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i came across a rare herb > in the angelica family called ashitaba that is edible, high in chlorophyll > and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i always thought one > couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an organism in the soil and the > only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt on them. it also says > that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, anemia, cancer, hepatitis, > and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try some out, and see if > there are other herbs with b12! > > chandelle' > > -- > " The true aim of education is to awaken real powers of perception and > judgement in relation to life and living. For only such an awakening can > lead to true freedom. " > -Rudolf Steiner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 all right. everyone, please ignore my post lest anyone end up with brain damage. On 3/8/07, rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote: > > I looked this herb up and it seems to be a powerhouse blood cleanser, > antioxidant and detoxifier. But please don't use it as a source of > B12. Vegans should educate themselves on inactive analogs of B12. > These are the forms usually found in plants. Not only are they > inactive but they can compete for the binding sites of the active B12 > and decrease the total active B12 in our body, thus actually leading > to a B12 deficiency. I read in one paper that the binding of inactive > forms can last for up to 24 hours. > > One reference is: > http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm#reliable > " Tempeh, miso, sea vegetables, and other plant foods are sometimes > reported to contain vitamin B12. These products, however, are not > reliable sources of the vitamin. The standard method for measuring > vitamin B12 in foods measures both active and inactive forms of > vitamin B12. The inactive form (also called analogues) actually > interferes with normal vitamin B12 absorption and metabolism (7). > When only active vitamin B12 is measured, plant foods including > fermented soyfoods and sea vegetables do not contain significant > amounts of active vitamin B12 (8). " > > Another very long reference is > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/mol#USELESS and > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/meas > > While I don't avoid plant foods known to contain trace amounts of > B12, I do not eat them often. I have had people on one list flame me > for saying this as they eat a lot of seaweeds, spirulina, chorella, > etc. I have asked my Japanese friends about this. They said they all > eat a lot of fish so the animal source of active B12 is much greater > than their seaweed source of inactive B12 and they feel this balances > the vitamin. And there are medical papers posted on the web about B12 > deficiency in Japanese people, so I haven't been convinced that B12 > from seaweed is a good thing. > > Hope this helps > Carrol > > > > - > > -- In , chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: > > > > looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i came across a > rare herb > > in the angelica family called ashitaba that is edible, high in > chlorophyll > > and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i always thought > one > > couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an organism in the soil > and the > > only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt on them. it > also says > > that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, anemia, cancer, > hepatitis, > > and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try some out, and > see if > > there are other herbs with b12! > > > > chandelle' > > > > -- > > " The true aim of education is to awaken real powers of perception > and > > judgement in relation to life and living. For only such an > awakening can > > lead to true freedom. " > > -Rudolf Steiner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 you would think that there is a good source of b12 somewhere. I wonder where veg animals get it from? Or where it originated? It had to come from somwhere plant-y! chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: all right. everyone, please ignore my post lest anyone end up with brain damage. On 3/8/07, rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote: > > I looked this herb up and it seems to be a powerhouse blood cleanser, > antioxidant and detoxifier. But please don't use it as a source of > B12. Vegans should educate themselves on inactive analogs of B12. > These are the forms usually found in plants. Not only are they > inactive but they can compete for the binding sites of the active B12 > and decrease the total active B12 in our body, thus actually leading > to a B12 deficiency. I read in one paper that the binding of inactive > forms can last for up to 24 hours. > > One reference is: > http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm#reliable > " Tempeh, miso, sea vegetables, and other plant foods are sometimes > reported to contain vitamin B12. These products, however, are not > reliable sources of the vitamin. The standard method for measuring > vitamin B12 in foods measures both active and inactive forms of > vitamin B12. The inactive form (also called analogues) actually > interferes with normal vitamin B12 absorption and metabolism (7). > When only active vitamin B12 is measured, plant foods including > fermented soyfoods and sea vegetables do not contain significant > amounts of active vitamin B12 (8). " > > Another very long reference is > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/mol#USELESS and > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/meas > > While I don't avoid plant foods known to contain trace amounts of > B12, I do not eat them often. I have had people on one list flame me > for saying this as they eat a lot of seaweeds, spirulina, chorella, > etc. I have asked my Japanese friends about this. They said they all > eat a lot of fish so the animal source of active B12 is much greater > than their seaweed source of inactive B12 and they feel this balances > the vitamin. And there are medical papers posted on the web about B12 > deficiency in Japanese people, so I haven't been convinced that B12 > from seaweed is a good thing. > > Hope this helps > Carrol > > > > - > > -- In , chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: > > > > looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i came across a > rare herb > > in the angelica family called ashitaba that is edible, high in > chlorophyll > > and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i always thought > one > > couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an organism in the soil > and the > > only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt on them. it > also says > > that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, anemia, cancer, > hepatitis, > > and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try some out, and > see if > > there are other herbs with b12! > > > > chandelle' > > > > -- > > " The true aim of education is to awaken real powers of perception > and > > judgement in relation to life and living. For only such an > awakening can > > lead to true freedom. " > > -Rudolf Steiner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dear, then in this case, what is the reliabel source of B12 for vegan ?! confused :- & --- reed mangels <reedmangels wrote: > > Please don't rely on an herb like ashitaba to > provide vitamin B12. I have seen many lists of > foods that are claimed to contain vitamin B12 but, > when tested, turn out to have no active vitamin B12. > Sometimes this is because the laboratory analyses > that were done long ago actually measured vitamin > B12 analogue and not true vitamin B12. Vitamin B12 > analogue looked enough like vitamin B12 that it led > to lab tests saying a food contained vitamin B12. > The problem is that vitamin B12 analogue cannot be > used by our bodies the way that vitamin B12 can be > so that people relying on foods where the B12 is > present in analogue form can develop a vitamin B12 > deficiency. A vitamin B12 deficiency can have > life-long consequences including damage to the > nervous system and the brain. Unless a reliable lab > analyzes a product using up-to-date lab tests and > concludes that it is a good source of vitamin B12, > it seems to me that it's not worth the risk of > deficiency to count on the product as a vitamin B12 > source. > > Reed > Reed Mangels, PhD, RD > Nutrition Advisor, The Vegetarian Resource Group > > b12 herb > Posted by: " chandelle' " earthmother213 > earthmama213 > Wed Mar 7, 2007 7:13 pm (PST) > looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, i > came across a rare herb > in the angelica family called ashitaba that is > edible, high in chlorophyll > and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? i > always thought one > couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an > organism in the soil and the > only way to get it in plants was if there was dirt > on them. it also says > that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, > anemia, cancer, hepatitis, > and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to try > some out, and see if > there are other herbs with b12! > > chandelle' > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dear Chandelle, Tks a lot :-) --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > doing a quick search, there's a picture here: > http://www.organicashitaba.com/ > > and here: > http://www.ashitabagreen.com/about/what.html > > and here, here, and here: > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tourism.metro.tokyo.jp/english\ /taberu/img/ph_ashitaba.jpg & imgrefurl=http://www.tourism.metro.tokyo.jp/english/\ taberu/tok_ashitaba.html & h=180 & w=250 & sz=22 & hl=en & start=1 & tbnid=BHWNpBUzOIKnYM: & t\ bnh=80 & tbnw=111 & prev=/images%3Fq%3Dashitaba%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfi\ refox-a%26rls%3DSwiftfox:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pref.aichi.jp/shokuhinkensa/ya\ sai/photo/ashitaba.jpg & imgrefurl=http://www.pref.aichi.jp/shokuhinkensa/yasai/yo\ usai.html & h=225 & w=300 & sz=19 & hl=en & start=2 & tbnid=ez5MEUncGbpkSM: & tbnh=87 & tbnw=116\ & prev=/images%3Fq%3Dashitaba%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3\ DSwiftfox:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.8jou.com/owners/asitabapic/ash\ itaba.jpg & imgrefurl=http://www.8jou.com/owners/asitaba.htm & h=288 & w=221 & sz=64 & hl=\ en & start=11 & tbnid=-m-3ndFHeBjnrM: & tbnh=115 & tbnw=88 & prev=/images%3Fq%3Dashitaba%2\ 6svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3DSwiftfox:en-US:unofficial%26s\ a%3DN > > apparently, i'm not the first to have discovered it. > > > > > On 3/7/07, yani jeni <yani_jeni wrote: > > > > hello chandelle, > > i just wonder what is ashitaba ?! > > do u have the picture or any website i can look > for > > the definition or exact picture.... > > cos i have to translate it into local language > > to get it from the herb store > > tks/brgds//jeni > > --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > > > > looking through my medicinal herb catalog today, > i > > > came across a rare herb > > > in the angelica family called ashitaba that is > > > edible, high in chlorophyll > > > and flavonoids, and also high in b12! who knew? > i > > > always thought one > > > couldn't find b12 in plants because it was an > > > organism in the soil and the > > > only way to get it in plants was if there was > dirt > > > on them. it also says > > > that it's being used to treat chronic fatigue, > > > anemia, cancer, hepatitis, > > > and gastric disorders. so i think i'm going to > try > > > some out, and see if > > > there are other herbs with b12! > > > > > > chandelle' > > > > > > -- > > > " The true aim of education is to awaken real > powers > > > of perception and > > > judgement in relation to life and living. For > only > > > such an awakening can > > > lead to true freedom. " > > > -Rudolf Steiner > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures > list. > > http://tv./collections/265 > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website at > > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially > useful for families go to > > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion > list and is not intended to > > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice > should be obtained from a > > qualified health professional. > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health > > professional. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 See http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/animal for an extensive discussion of how animals get their vitamin B12. Basically, vegetarian animals eat grass or other food contaminated with bacteria and are able to get their vitamin B12 from these bacteria. Some animals may also absorb vitamin B12 produced by their intestinal bacteria. In humans, the site of vitamin B12 production by intestinal bacteria is too far in the large intestines for the vitamin B12 to be absorbed. Reliable sources of vitamin B12 for vegans are foods fortified with vitamin B12 (some brands of soy milk, breakfast cereals, and fake meat and Vegetarian Support Formula nutritional yeast) and vitamin B12 supplements. Reed Re: b12 herb Posted by: " L Friend " mountain_laurel1183 mountain_laurel1183 Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:15 pm (PST) you would think that there is a good source of b12 somewhere. I wonder where veg animals get it from? Or where it originated? It had to come from somwhere plant-y! Re: b12 herb Posted by: " yani jeni " yani_jeni yani_jeni Thu Mar 8, 2007 7:51 pm (PST) Dear, then in this case, what is the reliabel source of B12 for vegan ?! confused :- & Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 I seeeee! Thank you! reed mangels <reedmangels wrote: See http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/animal for an extensive discussion of how animals get their vitamin B12. Basically, vegetarian animals eat grass or other food contaminated with bacteria and are able to get their vitamin B12 from these bacteria. Some animals may also absorb vitamin B12 produced by their intestinal bacteria. In humans, the site of vitamin B12 production by intestinal bacteria is too far in the large intestines for the vitamin B12 to be absorbed. Reliable sources of vitamin B12 for vegans are foods fortified with vitamin B12 (some brands of soy milk, breakfast cereals, and fake meat and Vegetarian Support Formula nutritional yeast) and vitamin B12 supplements. Reed Re: b12 herb Posted by: " L Friend " mountain_laurel1183 mountain_laurel1183 Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:15 pm (PST) you would think that there is a good source of b12 somewhere. I wonder where veg animals get it from? Or where it originated? It had to come from somwhere plant-y! Re: b12 herb Posted by: " yani jeni " yani_jeni yani_jeni Thu Mar 8, 2007 7:51 pm (PST) Dear, then in this case, what is the reliabel source of B12 for vegan ?! confused :- & It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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