Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten-intolerant and allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. they are essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm working on it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is directed to about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an entirely soy-free family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, many times hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm frustrated with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more using soy as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as an additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some resources - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without soy. gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering adding meat to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. TIA, chandelle' -- " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what to do or shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they will see clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and to others, and they will make for themselves a better path into that world then anyone else could make for them. " ~John Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 What's wrong with beans? Those have tons of protein in them and you can do a lot with them. There are also a million different kinds of flour these days. There are lots of gluten-free pastas, and of course good old vegetables are very versatile. I know it's difficult at first to eliminate a single thing from food, but I'm sure in time this family will become master label-readers and things won't be as hard. Plus this could be a blessing for them... they'll be forced to cut out processed foods so they can make their own things from scratch! chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten-intolerant and allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. they are essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm working on it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is directed to about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an entirely soy-free family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, many times hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm frustrated with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more using soy as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as an additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some resources - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without soy. gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering adding meat to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. TIA, chandelle' -- " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what to do or shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they will see clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and to others, and they will make for themselves a better path into that world then anyone else could make for them. " ~John Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 After boasting about how much I love my new Soya Joy soymilk maker for making soy milk, I just got the following article via e-mail. Now, I'm totally confused about what I should do: Soy - A Very Dangerous Food! Dr. Russell Blaylock (M.D.), in the January 2007 issue of The Blaylock Wellness Report, responds to a question from a reader: Q: " My 6-year-old great grandson, who has ADD symptoms, was always constipated from dairy. Since we switched him to soymilk, he has normal daily bowel movements. My concern after reading one of your recent columns is that SOY IS AN EXCITEMENT FOOD. DOES DRINKING SOY MILK CAUSE MEMORY PROBLEMS? A: " The developmental learning and language problems are all linked, that is, they represent defects in brain development. There is compelling evidence that the common denominator is an excess accumulation of the EXCITOTOXIC NEUROTRANSMITTER GLUTAMATE IN THE BRAIN during critical stages of brain development. " Soy has been popularized by a number of people, mostly those poised to make money from its sale. Recent studies have shown that soy and soy extracts (soy proteins isolate, soy protein concentrate, etc.) have a number of negative side effects. I am concerned about the fact that soy has one of the HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS OF GLUTAMATE of any plant. GLUTAMATE is an excitotoxin that is known TO DAMAGE THE BRAIN. The developing brain (babies and small children) is five times more sensitive to its toxic effects than are adult brains. " One 25 year long study, comparing adults eating tofu to those on a soy-free diet, found a DRAMATICALLY HIGHER INCIDENCE OF BRAIN ATROPHY IN THOSE EATING THE SOY DIET. This was confirmed by serial CT scans. In addition, they had HIGHER RATES OF DEMENTIA. Experimental evidence in animals supports this. " In addition, soy contains very high levels of manganese, fluoride, and omega-6 oils, ALL OF WHICH INCREASE BRAIN INJURY. In addition, newer studies have confirmed that SOY SIGNIFICANTLY STMULATES THE GROWTH OF BRAIN CANCER. " (The Blaylock Wellness Report is available by subscription only! For subscription information call: 1-800-485-4350.) - chandelle' Monday, March 12, 2007 6:28 PM advice for a soy allergy there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten-intolerant and allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. they are essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm working on it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is directed to about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an entirely soy-free family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, many times hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm frustrated with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more using soy as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as an additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some resources - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without soy. gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering adding meat to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. TIA, chandelle' -- " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what to do or shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they will see clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and to others, and they will make for themselves a better path into that world then anyone else could make for them. " ~John Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Her son may be helped by a practioner of NAET. I honestly thought this was voodoo, but my mother's (77 years old) iodine allergy is no longer life threatening after a few treatments. The website has a link to finding a practioner. http://www.naet.com/rs/index.html chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten-intolerant and allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. they are essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm working on it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is directed to about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an entirely soy-free family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, many times hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm frustrated with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more using soy as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as an additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some resources - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without soy. gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering adding meat to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. TIA, chandelle' -- " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what to do or shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they will see clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and to others, and they will make for themselves a better path into that world then anyone else could make for them. " ~John Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 there's a book called Food Allergy Survival Guide that could help. Indian, Middle Eastern and African vegan recipes are usually without soy and often easy to make. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 hey, don't spam us, dude. that's lame. for any concerns about soy, which have almost universally been raised by the heathen WAPers, refer to: http://www.healthyat100.com/display.asp?catid=3 & pageid=12 chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 There are protien in a lot of foods, all foods actualy. The old belive is that fruits and vegies dont have or have really little protien is a myth, they have plenty of protien. It is only the " modern " vegans who eats so much soy. I rearely eat soy products because im doing really badly with soy (can eat a little here and there). Beans and lentils, they are so versail. Sprouts, nuts, hemp seeds, leafygreens, spirulina, bee pollen a.s.o. there is a long list of really good protien sourses. The old myth is that you have to combine your foods at every meal, and that you have to have a complet set of aminoacids everytime. That is not true, you can devide it over the day, you dont have to combine at every meal, simply just eat what you please :-) There is rice or almond milk, insted of soy, you can even get rice icecream and puddings :-)(or make it yourself) Im a gluten intolerant too (can eat alittle spelt now and then, but Im mainly eating glutenfree), and dont eat soy products and im doing just fine on a vegan diet. You just have to know your foods. Im supplimenting with spirulina to make sue im getting enough protien, specialy when im really physical active. There is corn, rice, buckwheat, millet, amarant and quiona. the last three has a lot of protien and iron too. Make sure to eat brown rice and the like to make sure they get enoug fiber(gluten free people tend to not getting enoug fiber). I make green smoothies of leafygreens and fruit http://www.rawfamily.com/articles/odetogreen.pdf here is great article about how and why. I have found enormous great inspiration from the raw food people. There is so much info on the internet and a lot of great books too. Two of my favorites are: Conscious eating by Gabriel Cousens, M.D. The live food factor by Susan Schenck They are more scientific based and has a lot of great recepies. Just a note, Gabriel Cousens has updatet his knowledle about the B12 issue from when the book was printet, so you can get the opdatet info on his website http://www.alivewithgabriel.com/site.php/arti/read/living_foods_- _the_next_evol12/ I have to say that im not living totaly of rawfood, maby 50-75% but I have found a lot of inspiration and nutritional information there. So soy is not essential to be a vegan, only beans,lentils, nuts, fruit and vegies are :-))) Oh and a alternative to the fishoil is Udos DHA oil blend, it is made from algaes, it even contains GLA whitch is essential for kids brains. http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/usa/products/r67998.asp http//:www.sproutman.com http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/vegmilk.html http://www.algae-world.com/algae40.html http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/greens.htm http://www.colitis-crohns.com/ Kristine , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten- intolerant and > allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. they are > essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm working on > it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is directed to > about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an entirely soy-free > family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, many times > hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm frustrated > with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more using soy > as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as an > additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some resources > - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without soy. > gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering adding meat > to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. > > TIA, > chandelle' > > -- > " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what to do or > shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they will see > clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and to others, > and they will make for themselves a better path into that world then anyone > else could make for them. " > > ~John Holt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Not everyone agrees with Dr. Blaylock. I have heard (or read, rather) him speak highly of Kaayla Daniel's work (she is with the WAPF) so that shows me where he is coming from. I don't see any footnotes in that article by Dr. Blaylock, so it is hard to refute his statements if he doesn't say where he is getting his information from. Anyway, here are some articles on the safety of soy (for those who do not have a soy allergy, obviously) that you might want to check out: ANDREW WEIL, MD, ADDRESSES " INTERNET PARANOIA ON THE SUBJECT OF SOY " (this article can be found at: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575) HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY ANDREW WEIL, MD, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING SOY FOR BOYS (this article can be found at: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ QAA312211) ANOTHER ARTICLE ON MALES AND SOY, THIS ONE WRITTEN BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, MPH, RD (this article can be found here: http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219) HERE, REGISTERED DIETICIAN BRENDA DAVIS PROVIDES A GREAT RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ON SOY SAFETY IN GENERAL (This article can be found here: http:// www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm) Being Vegan and Eating Soy: Myths, Truths, and Everything in Between_by Christa Novelli, M.P.H. Great article addressing Kaayla Daniel's and WAPF stance on soy: http:// www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY JOEL FUHRMAN, MD. DR. FUHRMAN HAS A MORE CONSERVATIVE VIEW AS TO THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF SOY, BUT HE DOES REASSURINGLY ADDRESS THE SAFETY OF SOY. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx? sid=16 & qindex=5 IN 2004, MOTHERING MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY KAAYLA T. DANIEL ENTITLED " THE WHOLE SOY STORY, THE DARK SIDE OF AMERICA'S FAVORITE HEALTH FOOD " WHICH WAS REPLETE WITH ERRONEOUS AND MISLEADING INFORMATION. SOME RESPONSES TO MS. DANIEL'S PIECE CAN BE VIEWED HERE: http://www.mothering.com/ sections/extras/soy-letters.html. YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING MARK MESSINA, PHD, ADJUNCT ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION, LOMA LINDA UNIVERSITY AND SOY EXPERT WHO PENNED THIS INFORMATIVE LETTER TO MOTHERING: The article " The Whole Soy Story " was filled with so many inaccuracies about soy foods that it is possible to reach only one conclusion: the author was intentionally misleading readers. Although Dr. Daniel cited scientific articles, she did so selectively-that is, using only those sources that supported her points and ignoring any study that would have forced her to present a more balanced and accurate viewpoint. Dr. Daniel erroneously stated that Asians consume 9 to 36 grams of total soy foods-or 1/3 to 1_ ounces of these foods-per day based on her analysis of two sources. The first report she used is one with which I'm very familiar, since I commissioned this document while serving as a program director in the government's National Cancer Institute. This older report was never published, and in light of more recent detailed information, it no longer represents a particularly useful source of information about soy food consumption. Furthermore, the author failed to understand this report, as well as another source she used to suggest that the Japanese consume only 18 grams of soy foods per day. In both cases, Dr. Daniel confused foods measured in their natural whole food weight (wet weight) with those in the dehydrated (dry weight) state. Readers can understand this concept by simply imagining a pound of apples versus a pound of dried apples; these are two very different amounts of food. A failure to make this distinction produces gross measuring inaccuracies. In this case, Dr. Daniel failed to understand that 18 grams of dehydrated soy translates into approximately 100 grams of actual soy foods, or about one serving. One serving provides approximately 7 to 10 grams of soy protein and 20 to 30 milligrams of isoflavones. The exact amount varies according to the type of soy food. In addition to more accurately presenting the data, Dr. Daniel could have easily cited better estimates of soy food consumption in Asia by referring to the Food and Agriculture Organization's (FAO) website: http://apps.fao.org/default.jsp. According to this source, the average Japanese citizen consumes 8.6 grams of soy protein per day. This translates into about one serving of soy, since the average serving size provides about 7 to 10 grams of soy protein. Since the FAO averages soy intake among the entire population, including infants, children, and adults, it can be expected that soy intake among adults is actually even higher. Indeed, more precise data coming from at least 15 large surveys show this to be the case. These surveys have been conducted over the past seven years by scientists in Japan and other Asian countries. This information was readily available to Dr. Daniel since it was published in English-language scientific journals. The surveys reveal that Japanese adults consume on average a total of one and a half to two servings of soy foods per day, about 40 to 50 milligrams of isoflavones. Researchers at prestigious Asian institutions such as the Gifu University School of Medicine in Japan have played a key role in providing this information on soy intake.1 What makes Dr. Daniel's conclusions all the more curious is the fact that she was provided with all of the information I've cited above before her article was published. She could have used reliable data but chose not to. This is just one example of how the author failed to give readers an accurate picture of how soy foods fit into the diet. Unfortunately, space limitations don't allow me to refute her false allegations in detail. Briefly, here are just a few corrections to other misinformation in this article: Eleven well-designed clinical studies failed to find any harmful effects of soy protein or isoflavones on thyroid function in healthy adults.2 While soy foods are one of many protein-rich foods that can cause allergic reactions in some individuals (others are milk, eggs, and peanuts), the incidence of soy allergy is much lower than the incidence of allergies to other protein-rich foods Americans enjoy, and the allergic response to soy is generally much less severe.3 Obviously, those with allergic reactions to soy protein should avoid soy foods, but soy allergies affect only an extremely small percentage of the population. It is true that soy isoflavones can bind to the same receptors in cells that bind the hormone estrogen. However, extensive research shows that the many different compounds that bind to these receptors have markedly different biological effects. For example, Australian researchers showed that in postmenopausal women, very large amounts of isoflavone-rich soy protein did not affect any of the proteins that are affected by estrogen. 4 Soy isoflavones are not the same as estrogen. Experts on these compounds recognize that it is not possible to draw conclusions about the biological activities of soy based on the effects of the hormone estrogen. Birth defects in male offspring have not been linked specifically to maternal consumption of soy foods or isoflavones. Soy foods have been a regular part of Asian diets for centuries with no evidence of such a relationship.5 In fact, the one preliminary study cited by Dr. Daniel actually found that legume (not soy) intake was associated with one type of birth defect called hypospadias. Legumes do not contain nutritionally relevant amounts of isoflavones. Finally, numerous studies have compared the effects of soy consumption within Asia. This research shows that those Asians who consume more soy foods have lower rates of heart disease, prostate cancer, and osteoporosis than Asians with lower-than-average consumption of soy foods.6,7,8 Soy foods can be an excellent means of broadening a child's options for nutritious foods. In suggesting that families should exclude these foods, based on erroneous analysis of the science, Mothering magazine does a great disservice to its readers. NOTES _1. C. Nagata et al., " Association of Diet with the Onset of Menopause in Japanese Women, " Am J Epidemiol 152, no. 9 (1 Nov 2000): 863-867. _2. B. Bruce, M. Messina, G. A. Spiller, " Isoflavone Supplements Do Not Affect Thyroid Function in Iodine-replete Postmenopausal Women, " J Med Food 6, no. 4 (Winter 2003): 309-316. _3. C. T. Cordle, " Soy Protein Allergy: Incidence and Relative Severity, " J Nutr 134, no. 5 (May 2004): 1213S-1219S. _4. H. J. Teede, " Dietary Soy Containing Phytoestrogens Does Not Have Detectable Estrogenic Effects on Hepatic Protein Synthesis in Postmenopausal Women, " Am J Clin Nutr 79, no. 3 (March 2004): 396-401. _5. K. North, J. Golding, and the ALSPAC Study Team, " A Maternal Vegetarian Diet in Pregnancy Is Associated with Hypospadias, " BJU Int 85, no. 1 (Jan 2000): 107-113. _6. X. Zhang et al., " Soy Food Consumption Is Associated with Lower Risk of Coronary Heart Disease in Chinese Women, " J Nutr 133, no. 9 (Sept 2003): 2874-2878. _7. T. Sonoda, " A Case-Control Study of Diet and Prostate Cancer in Japan: Possible Protective Effect of Traditional Japanese Diet, " Cancer Sci 95, no. 3 (Mar 2004): 238-242. _8. Y. Somekawa, " Soy Intake Related to Menopausal Symptoms, Serum Lipids, and Bone Mineral Density in Postmenopausal Japanese Women, " Obstet Gynecol 97, no. 1 (Jan 2001): 109-115. _Mark Messina, PhD _Adjunct Associate Professor _Department of Nutrition _Loma Linda University _President, Nutrition Matters, Inc. _Port Townsend, Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 i'm such a big fan of mothering. if i had been a r when that article was put out, i very likely would have cancelled my subscription. i trust mothering to print articles about attachment parenting that are well-founded and supported by excellent evidence...not drivel. On 3/13/07, k.beauford <karen wrote: > > Not everyone agrees with Dr. Blaylock. I have heard (or read, rather) him > speak highly of > Kaayla Daniel's work (she is with the WAPF) so that shows me where he is > coming from. I > don't see any footnotes in that article by Dr. Blaylock, so it is hard to > refute his statements > if he doesn't say where he is getting his information from. Anyway, here > are some articles > on the safety of soy (for those who do not have a soy allergy, obviously) > that you might > want to check out: > > ANDREW WEIL, MD, ADDRESSES " INTERNET PARANOIA ON THE SUBJECT OF SOY " (this > article can be found at: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575) > > HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY ANDREW WEIL, MD, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY > ADDRESSING > SOY FOR BOYS (this article can be found at: > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ > QAA312211) > > ANOTHER ARTICLE ON MALES AND SOY, THIS ONE WRITTEN BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, > MPH, > RD (this article can be found here: > http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219) > HERE, REGISTERED DIETICIAN BRENDA DAVIS PROVIDES A GREAT RESPONSE TO A > QUESTION ON SOY SAFETY IN GENERAL (This article can be found here: http:// > www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm) > > Being Vegan and Eating Soy: Myths, Truths, and Everything in Between_by > Christa Novelli, > M.P.H. Great article addressing Kaayla Daniel's and WAPF stance on soy: > http:// > www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm > > HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY JOEL FUHRMAN, MD. DR. FUHRMAN HAS A MORE > CONSERVATIVE > VIEW AS TO THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF SOY, BUT HE DOES REASSURINGLY ADDRESS > THE > SAFETY OF SOY. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: > https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx? > sid=16 & qindex=5 > > IN 2004, MOTHERING MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY KAAYLA T. > DANIEL > ENTITLED " THE WHOLE SOY STORY, THE DARK SIDE OF AMERICA'S FAVORITE HEALTH > FOOD " WHICH WAS REPLETE WITH ERRONEOUS AND MISLEADING INFORMATION. SOME > RESPONSES TO MS. DANIEL'S PIECE CAN BE VIEWED HERE: > http://www.mothering.com/ > sections/extras/soy-letters.html. YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN > ON BOTH > SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING MARK MESSINA, PHD, ADJUNCT ASSOCIATE > PROFESSOR, > DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION, LOMA LINDA UNIVERSITY AND SOY EXPERT WHO PENNED > THIS INFORMATIVE LETTER TO MOTHERING: > The article " The Whole Soy Story " was filled with so many inaccuracies > about soy foods that > it is possible to reach only one conclusion: the author was intentionally > misleading > readers. Although Dr. Daniel cited scientific articles, she did so > selectively-that is, using > only those sources that supported her points and ignoring any study that > would have > forced her to present a more balanced and accurate viewpoint. > Dr. Daniel erroneously stated that Asians consume 9 to 36 grams of total > soy foods-or > 1/3 to 1_ ounces of these foods-per day based on her analysis of two > sources. The first > report she used is one with which I'm very familiar, since I commissioned > this document > while serving as a program director in the government's National Cancer > Institute. This > older report was never published, and in light of more recent detailed > information, it no > longer represents a particularly useful source of information about soy > food consumption. > Furthermore, the author failed to understand this report, as well as > another source she > used to suggest that the Japanese consume only 18 grams of soy foods per > day. In both > cases, Dr. Daniel confused foods measured in their natural whole food > weight (wet weight) > with those in the dehydrated (dry weight) state. Readers can understand > this concept by > simply imagining a pound of apples versus a pound of dried apples; these > are two very > different amounts of food. A failure to make this distinction produces > gross measuring > inaccuracies. In this case, Dr. Daniel failed to understand that 18 grams > of dehydrated soy > translates into approximately 100 grams of actual soy foods, or about one > serving. One > serving provides approximately 7 to 10 grams of soy protein and 20 to 30 > milligrams of > isoflavones. The exact amount varies according to the type of soy food. In > addition to > more accurately presenting the data, Dr. Daniel could have easily cited > better estimates of > soy food consumption in Asia by referring to the Food and Agriculture > Organization's > (FAO) website: http://apps.fao.org/default.jsp. According to this source, > the average > Japanese citizen consumes 8.6 grams of soy protein per day. This > translates into about > one serving of soy, since the average serving size provides about 7 to 10 > grams of soy > protein. Since the FAO averages soy intake among the entire population, > including infants, > children, and adults, it can be expected that soy intake among adults is > actually even > higher. Indeed, more precise data coming from at least 15 large surveys > show this to be > the case. These surveys have been conducted over the past seven years by > scientists in > Japan and other Asian countries. This information was readily available to > Dr. Daniel since > it was published in English-language scientific journals. The surveys > reveal that Japanese > adults consume on average a total of one and a half to two servings of soy > foods per day, > about 40 to 50 milligrams of isoflavones. Researchers at prestigious Asian > institutions > such as the Gifu University School of Medicine in Japan have played a key > role in providing > this information on soy intake.1 > What makes Dr. Daniel's conclusions all the more curious is the fact that > she was provided > with all of the information I've cited above before her article was > published. She could have > used reliable data but chose not to. > This is just one example of how the author failed to give readers an > accurate picture of > how soy foods fit into the diet. Unfortunately, space limitations don't > allow me to refute > her false allegations in detail. Briefly, here are just a few corrections > to other > misinformation in this article: Eleven well-designed clinical studies > failed to find any > harmful effects of soy protein or isoflavones on thyroid function in > healthy adults.2 > While soy foods are one of many protein-rich foods that can cause allergic > reactions in > some individuals (others are milk, eggs, and peanuts), the incidence of > soy allergy is much > lower than the incidence of allergies to other protein-rich foods > Americans enjoy, and the > allergic response to soy is generally much less severe.3 Obviously, those > with allergic > reactions to soy protein should avoid soy foods, but soy allergies affect > only an extremely > small percentage of the population. > It is true that soy isoflavones can bind to the same receptors in cells > that bind the > hormone estrogen. However, extensive research shows that the many > different compounds > that bind to these receptors have markedly different biological effects. > For example, > Australian researchers showed that in postmenopausal women, very large > amounts of > isoflavone-rich soy protein did not affect any of the proteins that are > affected by estrogen. > 4 Soy isoflavones are not the same as estrogen. Experts on these compounds > recognize > that it is not possible to draw conclusions about the biological > activities of soy based on > the effects of the hormone estrogen. > Birth defects in male offspring have not been linked specifically to > maternal consumption > of soy foods or isoflavones. Soy foods have been a regular part of Asian > diets for centuries > with no evidence of such a relationship.5 In fact, the one preliminary > study cited by Dr. > Daniel actually found that legume (not soy) intake was associated with one > type of birth > defect called hypospadias. Legumes do not contain nutritionally relevant > amounts of > isoflavones. > Finally, numerous studies have compared the effects of soy consumption > within Asia. This > research shows that those Asians who consume more soy foods have lower > rates of heart > disease, prostate cancer, and osteoporosis than Asians with > lower-than-average > consumption of soy foods.6,7,8 Soy foods can be an excellent means of > broadening a > child's options for nutritious foods. In suggesting that families should > exclude these > foods, based on erroneous analysis of the science, Mothering magazine does > a great > disservice to its readers. > NOTES _1. C. Nagata et al., " Association of Diet with the Onset of > Menopause in Japanese > Women, " Am J Epidemiol 152, no. 9 (1 Nov 2000): 863-867. _2. B. Bruce, M. > Messina, G. A. > Spiller, " Isoflavone Supplements Do Not Affect Thyroid Function in > Iodine-replete > Postmenopausal Women, " J Med Food 6, no. 4 (Winter 2003): 309-316. _3. C. > T. Cordle, > " Soy Protein Allergy: Incidence and Relative Severity, " J Nutr 134, no. 5 > (May 2004): > 1213S-1219S. _4. H. J. Teede, " Dietary Soy Containing Phytoestrogens Does > Not Have > Detectable Estrogenic Effects on Hepatic Protein Synthesis in > Postmenopausal Women, " Am > J Clin Nutr 79, no. 3 (March 2004): 396-401. _5. K. North, J. Golding, and > the ALSPAC > Study Team, " A Maternal Vegetarian Diet in Pregnancy Is Associated with > Hypospadias, " > BJU Int 85, no. 1 (Jan 2000): 107-113. _6. X. Zhang et al., " Soy Food > Consumption Is > Associated with Lower Risk of Coronary Heart Disease in Chinese Women, " J > Nutr 133, no. > 9 (Sept 2003): 2874-2878. _7. T. Sonoda, " A Case-Control Study of Diet and > Prostate > Cancer in Japan: Possible Protective Effect of Traditional Japanese Diet, " > Cancer Sci 95, no. > 3 (Mar 2004): 238-242. _8. Y. Somekawa, " Soy Intake Related to Menopausal > Symptoms, > Serum Lipids, and Bone Mineral Density in Postmenopausal Japanese Women, " > Obstet > Gynecol 97, no. 1 (Jan 2001): 109-115. > _Mark Messina, PhD _Adjunct Associate Professor _Department of Nutrition > _Loma Linda > University _President, Nutrition Matters, Inc. _Port Townsend, Washington > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Wow - thanks for this encouragement!! - k.beauford Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:47 AM Re: advice for a soy allergy Not everyone agrees with Dr. Blaylock. I have heard (or read, rather) him speak highly of Kaayla Daniel's work (she is with the WAPF) so that shows me where he is coming from. I don't see any footnotes in that article by Dr. Blaylock, so it is hard to refute his statements if he doesn't say where he is getting his information from. Anyway, here are some articles on the safety of soy (for those who do not have a soy allergy, obviously) that you might want to check out: ANDREW WEIL, MD, ADDRESSES " INTERNET PARANOIA ON THE SUBJECT OF SOY " (this article can be found at: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575) HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY ANDREW WEIL, MD, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING SOY FOR BOYS (this article can be found at: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ QAA312211) ANOTHER ARTICLE ON MALES AND SOY, THIS ONE WRITTEN BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, MPH, RD (this article can be found here: http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219) HERE, REGISTERED DIETICIAN BRENDA DAVIS PROVIDES A GREAT RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ON SOY SAFETY IN GENERAL (This article can be found here: http:// www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm) Being Vegan and Eating Soy: Myths, Truths, and Everything in Between_by Christa Novelli, M.P.H. Great article addressing Kaayla Daniel's and WAPF stance on soy: http:// www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY JOEL FUHRMAN, MD. DR. FUHRMAN HAS A MORE CONSERVATIVE VIEW AS TO THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF SOY, BUT HE DOES REASSURINGLY ADDRESS THE SAFETY OF SOY. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx? sid=16 & qindex=5 IN 2004, MOTHERING MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY KAAYLA T. DANIEL ENTITLED " THE WHOLE SOY STORY, THE DARK SIDE OF AMERICA'S FAVORITE HEALTH FOOD " WHICH WAS REPLETE WITH ERRONEOUS AND MISLEADING INFORMATION. SOME RESPONSES TO MS. DANIEL'S PIECE CAN BE VIEWED HERE: http://www.mothering.com/ sections/extras/soy-letters.html. YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING MARK MESSINA, PHD, ADJUNCT ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION, LOMA LINDA UNIVERSITY AND SOY EXPERT WHO PENNED THIS INFORMATIVE LETTER TO MOTHERING: The article " The Whole Soy Story " was filled with so many inaccuracies about soy foods that it is possible to reach only one conclusion: the author was intentionally misleading readers. Although Dr. Daniel cited scientific articles, she did so selectively-that is, using only those sources that supported her points and ignoring any study that would have forced her to present a more balanced and accurate viewpoint. Dr. Daniel erroneously stated that Asians consume 9 to 36 grams of total soy foods-or 1/3 to 1_ ounces of these foods-per day based on her analysis of two sources. The first report she used is one with which I'm very familiar, since I commissioned this document while serving as a program director in the government's National Cancer Institute. This older report was never published, and in light of more recent detailed information, it no longer represents a particularly useful source of information about soy food consumption. Furthermore, the author failed to understand this report, as well as another source she used to suggest that the Japanese consume only 18 grams of soy foods per day. In both cases, Dr. Daniel confused foods measured in their natural whole food weight (wet weight) with those in the dehydrated (dry weight) state. Readers can understand this concept by simply imagining a pound of apples versus a pound of dried apples; these are two very different amounts of food. A failure to make this distinction produces gross measuring inaccuracies. In this case, Dr. Daniel failed to understand that 18 grams of dehydrated soy translates into approximately 100 grams of actual soy foods, or about one serving. One serving provides approximately 7 to 10 grams of soy protein and 20 to 30 milligrams of isoflavones. The exact amount varies according to the type of soy food. In addition to more accurately presenting the data, Dr. Daniel could have easily cited better estimates of soy food consumption in Asia by referring to the Food and Agriculture Organization's (FAO) website: http://apps.fao.org/default.jsp. According to this source, the average Japanese citizen consumes 8.6 grams of soy protein per day. This translates into about one serving of soy, since the average serving size provides about 7 to 10 grams of soy protein. Since the FAO averages soy intake among the entire population, including infants, children, and adults, it can be expected that soy intake among adults is actually even higher. Indeed, more precise data coming from at least 15 large surveys show this to be the case. These surveys have been conducted over the past seven years by scientists in Japan and other Asian countries. This information was readily available to Dr. Daniel since it was published in English-language scientific journals. The surveys reveal that Japanese adults consume on average a total of one and a half to two servings of soy foods per day, about 40 to 50 milligrams of isoflavones. Researchers at prestigious Asian institutions such as the Gifu University School of Medicine in Japan have played a key role in providing this information on soy intake.1 What makes Dr. Daniel's conclusions all the more curious is the fact that she was provided with all of the information I've cited above before her article was published. She could have used reliable data but chose not to. This is just one example of how the author failed to give readers an accurate picture of how soy foods fit into the diet. Unfortunately, space limitations don't allow me to refute her false allegations in detail. Briefly, here are just a few corrections to other misinformation in this article: Eleven well-designed clinical studies failed to find any harmful effects of soy protein or isoflavones on thyroid function in healthy adults.2 While soy foods are one of many protein-rich foods that can cause allergic reactions in some individuals (others are milk, eggs, and peanuts), the incidence of soy allergy is much lower than the incidence of allergies to other protein-rich foods Americans enjoy, and the allergic response to soy is generally much less severe.3 Obviously, those with allergic reactions to soy protein should avoid soy foods, but soy allergies affect only an extremely small percentage of the population. It is true that soy isoflavones can bind to the same receptors in cells that bind the hormone estrogen. However, extensive research shows that the many different compounds that bind to these receptors have markedly different biological effects. For example, Australian researchers showed that in postmenopausal women, very large amounts of isoflavone-rich soy protein did not affect any of the proteins that are affected by estrogen. 4 Soy isoflavones are not the same as estrogen. Experts on these compounds recognize that it is not possible to draw conclusions about the biological activities of soy based on the effects of the hormone estrogen. Birth defects in male offspring have not been linked specifically to maternal consumption of soy foods or isoflavones. Soy foods have been a regular part of Asian diets for centuries with no evidence of such a relationship.5 In fact, the one preliminary study cited by Dr. Daniel actually found that legume (not soy) intake was associated with one type of birth defect called hypospadias. Legumes do not contain nutritionally relevant amounts of isoflavones. Finally, numerous studies have compared the effects of soy consumption within Asia. This research shows that those Asians who consume more soy foods have lower rates of heart disease, prostate cancer, and osteoporosis than Asians with lower-than-average consumption of soy foods.6,7,8 Soy foods can be an excellent means of broadening a child's options for nutritious foods. In suggesting that families should exclude these foods, based on erroneous analysis of the science, Mothering magazine does a great disservice to its readers. NOTES _1. C. Nagata et al., " Association of Diet with the Onset of Menopause in Japanese Women, " Am J Epidemiol 152, no. 9 (1 Nov 2000): 863-867. _2. B. Bruce, M. Messina, G. A. Spiller, " Isoflavone Supplements Do Not Affect Thyroid Function in Iodine-replete Postmenopausal Women, " J Med Food 6, no. 4 (Winter 2003): 309-316. _3. C. T. Cordle, " Soy Protein Allergy: Incidence and Relative Severity, " J Nutr 134, no. 5 (May 2004): 1213S-1219S. _4. H. J. Teede, " Dietary Soy Containing Phytoestrogens Does Not Have Detectable Estrogenic Effects on Hepatic Protein Synthesis in Postmenopausal Women, " Am J Clin Nutr 79, no. 3 (March 2004): 396-401. _5. K. North, J. Golding, and the ALSPAC Study Team, " A Maternal Vegetarian Diet in Pregnancy Is Associated with Hypospadias, " BJU Int 85, no. 1 (Jan 2000): 107-113. _6. X. Zhang et al., " Soy Food Consumption Is Associated with Lower Risk of Coronary Heart Disease in Chinese Women, " J Nutr 133, no. 9 (Sept 2003): 2874-2878. _7. T. Sonoda, " A Case-Control Study of Diet and Prostate Cancer in Japan: Possible Protective Effect of Traditional Japanese Diet, " Cancer Sci 95, no. 3 (Mar 2004): 238-242. _8. Y. Somekawa, " Soy Intake Related to Menopausal Symptoms, Serum Lipids, and Bone Mineral Density in Postmenopausal Japanese Women, " Obstet Gynecol 97, no. 1 (Jan 2001): 109-115. _Mark Messina, PhD _Adjunct Associate Professor _Department of Nutrition _Loma Linda University _President, Nutrition Matters, Inc. _Port Townsend, Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I don't trust Mothering anymore. I d for 5 years and canceled after the article. I find any publication which would not check on the facts or at least explain where the writer is from to be suspect. Linda --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > i'm such a big fan of mothering. if i had been a > r when that > article was put out, i very likely would have > cancelled my subscription. i > trust mothering to print articles about attachment > parenting that are > well-founded and supported by excellent > evidence...not drivel. > > On 3/13/07, k.beauford <karen > wrote: > > > > Not everyone agrees with Dr. Blaylock. I have > heard (or read, rather) him > > speak highly of > > Kaayla Daniel's work (she is with the WAPF) so > that shows me where he is > > coming from. I > > don't see any footnotes in that article by Dr. > Blaylock, so it is hard to > > refute his statements > > if he doesn't say where he is getting his > information from. Anyway, here > > are some articles > > on the safety of soy (for those who do not have a > soy allergy, obviously) > > that you might > > want to check out: > > > > ANDREW WEIL, MD, ADDRESSES " INTERNET PARANOIA ON > THE SUBJECT OF SOY " (this > > article can be found at: > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575) > > > > HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY ANDREW WEIL, MD, THIS > ONE SPECIFICALLY > > ADDRESSING > > SOY FOR BOYS (this article can be found at: > > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ > > QAA312211) > > > > ANOTHER ARTICLE ON MALES AND SOY, THIS ONE WRITTEN > BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, > > MPH, > > RD (this article can be found here: > > http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219) > > HERE, REGISTERED DIETICIAN BRENDA DAVIS PROVIDES A > GREAT RESPONSE TO A > > QUESTION ON SOY SAFETY IN GENERAL (This article > can be found here: http:// > > www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm) > > > > Being Vegan and Eating Soy: Myths, Truths, and > Everything in Between_by > > Christa Novelli, > > M.P.H. Great article addressing Kaayla Daniel's > and WAPF stance on soy: > > http:// > > www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm > > > > HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY JOEL FUHRMAN, MD. DR. > FUHRMAN HAS A MORE > > CONSERVATIVE > > VIEW AS TO THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF SOY, BUT HE DOES > REASSURINGLY ADDRESS > > THE > > SAFETY OF SOY. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: > > https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx? > > sid=16 & qindex=5 > > > > IN 2004, MOTHERING MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE > WRITTEN BY KAAYLA T. > > DANIEL > > ENTITLED " THE WHOLE SOY STORY, THE DARK SIDE OF > AMERICA'S FAVORITE HEALTH > > FOOD " WHICH WAS REPLETE WITH ERRONEOUS AND > MISLEADING INFORMATION. SOME > > RESPONSES TO MS. DANIEL'S PIECE CAN BE VIEWED > HERE: > > http://www.mothering.com/ > > sections/extras/soy-letters.html. YOU WILL FIND > THAT MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN > > ON BOTH > > SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING MARK MESSINA, PHD, > ADJUNCT ASSOCIATE > > PROFESSOR, > > DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION, LOMA LINDA UNIVERSITY AND > SOY EXPERT WHO PENNED > > THIS INFORMATIVE LETTER TO MOTHERING: > > The article " The Whole Soy Story " was filled with > so many inaccuracies > > about soy foods that > > it is possible to reach only one conclusion: the > author was intentionally > > misleading > > readers. Although Dr. Daniel cited scientific > articles, she did so > > selectively-that is, using > > only those sources that supported her points and > ignoring any study that > > would have > > forced her to present a more balanced and accurate > viewpoint. > > Dr. Daniel erroneously stated that Asians consume > 9 to 36 grams of total > > soy foods-or > > 1/3 to 1_ ounces of these foods-per day based on > her analysis of two > > sources. The first > > report she used is one with which I'm very > familiar, since I commissioned > > this document > > while serving as a program director in the > government's National Cancer > > Institute. This > > older report was never published, and in light of > more recent detailed > > information, it no > > longer represents a particularly useful source of > information about soy > > food consumption. > > Furthermore, the author failed to understand this > report, as well as > > another source she > > used to suggest that the Japanese consume only 18 > grams of soy foods per > > day. In both > > cases, Dr. Daniel confused foods measured in their > natural whole food > > weight (wet weight) > > with those in the dehydrated (dry weight) state. > Readers can understand > > this concept by > > simply imagining a pound of apples versus a pound > of dried apples; these > > are two very > > different amounts of food. A failure to make this > distinction produces > > gross measuring > > inaccuracies. In this case, Dr. Daniel failed to > understand that 18 grams > > of dehydrated soy > > translates into approximately 100 grams of actual > soy foods, or about one > > serving. One > > serving provides approximately 7 to 10 grams of > soy protein and 20 to 30 > > milligrams of > > isoflavones. The exact amount varies according to > the type of soy food. In > > addition to > > more accurately presenting the data, Dr. Daniel > could have easily cited > > better estimates of > > soy food consumption in Asia by referring to the > Food and Agriculture > > Organization's > > (FAO) website: http://apps.fao.org/default.jsp. > According to this source, > > the average > > Japanese citizen consumes 8.6 grams of soy protein > per day. This > > translates into about > > one serving of soy, since the average serving size > provides about 7 to 10 > > grams of soy > > protein. Since the FAO averages soy intake among > the entire population, > > including infants, > > children, and adults, it can be expected that soy > intake among adults is > > actually even > > higher. Indeed, more precise data coming from at > least 15 large surveys > > show this to be > > the case. These surveys have been conducted over > the past seven years by > > scientists in > > Japan and other Asian countries. This information > was readily available to > > Dr. Daniel since > > it was published in English-language scientific > journals. The surveys > > reveal that Japanese > > adults consume on average a total of one and a > half to two servings of soy > > foods per day, > > about 40 to 50 milligrams of isoflavones. > Researchers at prestigious Asian > > institutions > > such as the Gifu University School of Medicine in > Japan have played a key > > role in providing > > this information on soy intake.1 > > What makes Dr. Daniel's conclusions all the more > curious is the fact that > > she was provided > > with all of the information I've cited above > before her article was > > published. She could have > > used reliable data but chose not to. > === message truncated === Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I wonder what the Japanese people would say about this study... admartin5 wrote: After boasting about how much I love my new Soya Joy soymilk maker for making soy milk, I just got the following article via e-mail. Now, I'm totally confused about what I should do: Soy - A Very Dangerous Food! Dr. Russell Blaylock (M.D.), in the January 2007 issue of The Blaylock Wellness Report, responds to a question from a reader: Q: " My 6-year-old great grandson, who has ADD symptoms, was always constipated from dairy. Since we switched him to soymilk, he has normal daily bowel movements. My concern after reading one of your recent columns is that SOY IS AN EXCITEMENT FOOD. DOES DRINKING SOY MILK CAUSE MEMORY PROBLEMS? A: " The developmental learning and language problems are all linked, that is, they represent defects in brain development. There is compelling evidence that the common denominator is an excess accumulation of the EXCITOTOXIC NEUROTRANSMITTER GLUTAMATE IN THE BRAIN during critical stages of brain development. " Soy has been popularized by a number of people, mostly those poised to make money from its sale. Recent studies have shown that soy and soy extracts (soy proteins isolate, soy protein concentrate, etc.) have a number of negative side effects. I am concerned about the fact that soy has one of the HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS OF GLUTAMATE of any plant. GLUTAMATE is an excitotoxin that is known TO DAMAGE THE BRAIN. The developing brain (babies and small children) is five times more sensitive to its toxic effects than are adult brains. " One 25 year long study, comparing adults eating tofu to those on a soy-free diet, found a DRAMATICALLY HIGHER INCIDENCE OF BRAIN ATROPHY IN THOSE EATING THE SOY DIET. This was confirmed by serial CT scans. In addition, they had HIGHER RATES OF DEMENTIA. Experimental evidence in animals supports this. " In addition, soy contains very high levels of manganese, fluoride, and omega-6 oils, ALL OF WHICH INCREASE BRAIN INJURY. In addition, newer studies have confirmed that SOY SIGNIFICANTLY STMULATES THE GROWTH OF BRAIN CANCER. " (The Blaylock Wellness Report is available by subscription only! For subscription information call: 1-800-485-4350.) - chandelle' Monday, March 12, 2007 6:28 PM advice for a soy allergy there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten-intolerant and allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. they are essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm working on it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is directed to about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an entirely soy-free family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, many times hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm frustrated with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more using soy as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as an additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some resources - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without soy. gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering adding meat to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. TIA, chandelle' -- " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what to do or shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they will see clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and to others, and they will make for themselves a better path into that world then anyone else could make for them. " ~John Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Mothering's diet/food advice is always way off. Last year they had an article about vegetarianism that was SO bad. Totally disappointing. But I still love the forums over there. , Linda Evans <veganlinda wrote: > > I don't trust Mothering anymore. I d for 5 > years and canceled after the article. I find any > publication which would not check on the facts or at > least explain where the writer is from to be suspect. > > > Linda > --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > > i'm such a big fan of mothering. if i had been a > > r when that > > article was put out, i very likely would have > > cancelled my subscription. i > > trust mothering to print articles about attachment > > parenting that are > > well-founded and supported by excellent > > evidence...not drivel. > > > > On 3/13/07, k.beauford <karen > > wrote: > > > > > > Not everyone agrees with Dr. Blaylock. I have > > heard (or read, rather) him > > > speak highly of > > > Kaayla Daniel's work (she is with the WAPF) so > > that shows me where he is > > > coming from. I > > > don't see any footnotes in that article by Dr. > > Blaylock, so it is hard to > > > refute his statements > > > if he doesn't say where he is getting his > > information from. Anyway, here > > > are some articles > > > on the safety of soy (for those who do not have a > > soy allergy, obviously) > > > that you might > > > want to check out: > > > > > > ANDREW WEIL, MD, ADDRESSES " INTERNET PARANOIA ON > > THE SUBJECT OF SOY " (this > > > article can be found at: > > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575) > > > > > > HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY ANDREW WEIL, MD, THIS > > ONE SPECIFICALLY > > > ADDRESSING > > > SOY FOR BOYS (this article can be found at: > > > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ > > > QAA312211) > > > > > > ANOTHER ARTICLE ON MALES AND SOY, THIS ONE WRITTEN > > BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, > > > MPH, > > > RD (this article can be found here: > > > http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219) > > > HERE, REGISTERED DIETICIAN BRENDA DAVIS PROVIDES A > > GREAT RESPONSE TO A > > > QUESTION ON SOY SAFETY IN GENERAL (This article > > can be found here: http:// > > > www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm) > > > > > > Being Vegan and Eating Soy: Myths, Truths, and > > Everything in Between_by > > > Christa Novelli, > > > M.P.H. Great article addressing Kaayla Daniel's > > and WAPF stance on soy: > > > http:// > > > www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm > > > > > > HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY JOEL FUHRMAN, MD. DR. > > FUHRMAN HAS A MORE > > > CONSERVATIVE > > > VIEW AS TO THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF SOY, BUT HE DOES > > REASSURINGLY ADDRESS > > > THE > > > SAFETY OF SOY. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: > > > https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx? > > > sid=16 & qindex=5 > > > > > > IN 2004, MOTHERING MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE > > WRITTEN BY KAAYLA T. > > > DANIEL > > > ENTITLED " THE WHOLE SOY STORY, THE DARK SIDE OF > > AMERICA'S FAVORITE HEALTH > > > FOOD " WHICH WAS REPLETE WITH ERRONEOUS AND > > MISLEADING INFORMATION. SOME > > > RESPONSES TO MS. DANIEL'S PIECE CAN BE VIEWED > > HERE: > > > http://www.mothering.com/ > > > sections/extras/soy-letters.html. YOU WILL FIND > > THAT MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN > > > ON BOTH > > > SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING MARK MESSINA, PHD, > > ADJUNCT ASSOCIATE > > > PROFESSOR, > > > DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION, LOMA LINDA UNIVERSITY AND > > SOY EXPERT WHO PENNED > > > THIS INFORMATIVE LETTER TO MOTHERING: > > > The article " The Whole Soy Story " was filled with > > so many inaccuracies > > > about soy foods that > > > it is possible to reach only one conclusion: the > > author was intentionally > > > misleading > > > readers. Although Dr. Daniel cited scientific > > articles, she did so > > > selectively-that is, using > > > only those sources that supported her points and > > ignoring any study that > > > would have > > > forced her to present a more balanced and accurate > > viewpoint. > > > Dr. Daniel erroneously stated that Asians consume > > 9 to 36 grams of total > > > soy foods-or > > > 1/3 to 1_ ounces of these foods-per day based on > > her analysis of two > > > sources. The first > > > report she used is one with which I'm very > > familiar, since I commissioned > > > this document > > > while serving as a program director in the > > government's National Cancer > > > Institute. This > > > older report was never published, and in light of > > more recent detailed > > > information, it no > > > longer represents a particularly useful source of > > information about soy > > > food consumption. > > > Furthermore, the author failed to understand this > > report, as well as > > > another source she > > > used to suggest that the Japanese consume only 18 > > grams of soy foods per > > > day. In both > > > cases, Dr. Daniel confused foods measured in their > > natural whole food > > > weight (wet weight) > > > with those in the dehydrated (dry weight) state. > > Readers can understand > > > this concept by > > > simply imagining a pound of apples versus a pound > > of dried apples; these > > > are two very > > > different amounts of food. A failure to make this > > distinction produces > > > gross measuring > > > inaccuracies. In this case, Dr. Daniel failed to > > understand that 18 grams > > > of dehydrated soy > > > translates into approximately 100 grams of actual > > soy foods, or about one > > > serving. One > > > serving provides approximately 7 to 10 grams of > > soy protein and 20 to 30 > > > milligrams of > > > isoflavones. The exact amount varies according to > > the type of soy food. In > > > addition to > > > more accurately presenting the data, Dr. Daniel > > could have easily cited > > > better estimates of > > > soy food consumption in Asia by referring to the > > Food and Agriculture > > > Organization's > > > (FAO) website: http://apps.fao.org/default.jsp. > > According to this source, > > > the average > > > Japanese citizen consumes 8.6 grams of soy protein > > per day. This > > > translates into about > > > one serving of soy, since the average serving size > > provides about 7 to 10 > > > grams of soy > > > protein. Since the FAO averages soy intake among > > the entire population, > > > including infants, > > > children, and adults, it can be expected that soy > > intake among adults is > > > actually even > > > higher. Indeed, more precise data coming from at > > least 15 large surveys > > > show this to be > > > the case. These surveys have been conducted over > > the past seven years by > > > scientists in > > > Japan and other Asian countries. This information > > was readily available to > > > Dr. Daniel since > > > it was published in English-language scientific > > journals. The surveys > > > reveal that Japanese > > > adults consume on average a total of one and a > > half to two servings of soy > > > foods per day, > > > about 40 to 50 milligrams of isoflavones. > > Researchers at prestigious Asian > > > institutions > > > such as the Gifu University School of Medicine in > > Japan have played a key > > > role in providing > > > this information on soy intake.1 > > > What makes Dr. Daniel's conclusions all the more > > curious is the fact that > > > she was provided > > > with all of the information I've cited above > > before her article was > > > published. She could have > > > used reliable data but chose not to. > > > === message truncated === > > > Linda > http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Don't get soaked. 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Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 One good rule of thumb: if a supposedly factual article is filled with many words and phrases which are capitalized to grab your attention, it's not serious reporting. They're trying to appeal to your emotions, not your intelligence. They're trying to scare you, excite you, or both. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Just curious -- did you tell Mothering why you cancelled your subscription? It would be great if they would apologize and print a retraction with the true story... Heather Linda Evans wrote: > > I don't trust Mothering anymore. I d for 5 > years and canceled after the article. I find any > publication which would not check on the facts or at > least explain where the writer is from to be suspect. > > Linda > --- chandelle' <earthmother213 > <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > i'm such a big fan of mothering. if i had been a > > r when that > > article was put out, i very likely would have > > cancelled my subscription. i > > trust mothering to print articles about attachment > > parenting that are > > well-founded and supported by excellent > > evidence...not drivel. > > > > On 3/13/07, k.beauford <karen > <karen%40beaufordres.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Not everyone agrees with Dr. Blaylock. I have > > heard (or read, rather) him > > > speak highly of > > > Kaayla Daniel's work (she is with the WAPF) so > > that shows me where he is > > > coming from. I > > > don't see any footnotes in that article by Dr. > > Blaylock, so it is hard to > > > refute his statements > > > if he doesn't say where he is getting his > > information from. Anyway, here > > > are some articles > > > on the safety of soy (for those who do not have a > > soy allergy, obviously) > > > that you might > > > want to check out: > > > > > > ANDREW WEIL, MD, ADDRESSES " INTERNET PARANOIA ON > > THE SUBJECT OF SOY " (this > > > article can be found at: > > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575 > <http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575>) > > > > > > HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY ANDREW WEIL, MD, THIS > > ONE SPECIFICALLY > > > ADDRESSING > > > SOY FOR BOYS (this article can be found at: > > > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ <http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/> > > > QAA312211) > > > > > > ANOTHER ARTICLE ON MALES AND SOY, THIS ONE WRITTEN > > BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, > > > MPH, > > > RD (this article can be found here: > > > http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219 > <http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219>) > > > HERE, REGISTERED DIETICIAN BRENDA DAVIS PROVIDES A > > GREAT RESPONSE TO A > > > QUESTION ON SOY SAFETY IN GENERAL (This article > > can be found here: http:// > > > www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm) > > > > > > Being Vegan and Eating Soy: Myths, Truths, and > > Everything in Between_by > > > Christa Novelli, > > > M.P.H. Great article addressing Kaayla Daniel's > > and WAPF stance on soy: > > > http:// > > > www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm > > > > > > HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY JOEL FUHRMAN, MD. DR. > > FUHRMAN HAS A MORE > > > CONSERVATIVE > > > VIEW AS TO THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF SOY, BUT HE DOES > > REASSURINGLY ADDRESS > > > THE > > > SAFETY OF SOY. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: > > > https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx? > <https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx?> > > > sid=16 & qindex=5 > > > > > > IN 2004, MOTHERING MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE > > WRITTEN BY KAAYLA T. > > > DANIEL > > > ENTITLED " THE WHOLE SOY STORY, THE DARK SIDE OF > > AMERICA'S FAVORITE HEALTH > > > FOOD " WHICH WAS REPLETE WITH ERRONEOUS AND > > MISLEADING INFORMATION. SOME > > > RESPONSES TO MS. DANIEL'S PIECE CAN BE VIEWED > > HERE: > > > http://www.mothering.com/ <http://www.mothering.com/> > > > sections/extras/soy-letters.html. YOU WILL FIND > > THAT MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN > > > ON BOTH > > > SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING MARK MESSINA, PHD, > > ADJUNCT ASSOCIATE > > > PROFESSOR, > > > DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION, LOMA LINDA UNIVERSITY AND > > SOY EXPERT WHO PENNED > > > THIS INFORMATIVE LETTER TO MOTHERING: > > > The article " The Whole Soy Story " was filled with > > so many inaccuracies > > > about soy foods that > > > it is possible to reach only one conclusion: the > > author was intentionally > > > misleading > > > readers. Although Dr. Daniel cited scientific > > articles, she did so > > > selectively-that is, using > > > only those sources that supported her points and > > ignoring any study that > > > would have > > > forced her to present a more balanced and accurate > > viewpoint. > > > Dr. Daniel erroneously stated that Asians consume > > 9 to 36 grams of total > > > soy foods-or > > > 1/3 to 1_ ounces of these foods-per day based on > > her analysis of two > > > sources. The first > > > report she used is one with which I'm very > > familiar, since I commissioned > > > this document > > > while serving as a program director in the > > government's National Cancer > > > Institute. This > > > older report was never published, and in light of > > more recent detailed > > > information, it no > > > longer represents a particularly useful source of > > information about soy > > > food consumption. > > > Furthermore, the author failed to understand this > > report, as well as > > > another source she > > > used to suggest that the Japanese consume only 18 > > grams of soy foods per > > > day. In both > > > cases, Dr. Daniel confused foods measured in their > > natural whole food > > > weight (wet weight) > > > with those in the dehydrated (dry weight) state. > > Readers can understand > > > this concept by > > > simply imagining a pound of apples versus a pound > > of dried apples; these > > > are two very > > > different amounts of food. A failure to make this > > distinction produces > > > gross measuring > > > inaccuracies. In this case, Dr. Daniel failed to > > understand that 18 grams > > > of dehydrated soy > > > translates into approximately 100 grams of actual > > soy foods, or about one > > > serving. One > > > serving provides approximately 7 to 10 grams of > > soy protein and 20 to 30 > > > milligrams of > > > isoflavones. The exact amount varies according to > > the type of soy food. In > > > addition to > > > more accurately presenting the data, Dr. Daniel > > could have easily cited > > > better estimates of > > > soy food consumption in Asia by referring to the > > Food and Agriculture > > > Organization's > > > (FAO) website: http://apps.fao.org/default.jsp. > <http://apps.fao.org/default.jsp.> > > According to this source, > > > the average > > > Japanese citizen consumes 8.6 grams of soy protein > > per day. This > > > translates into about > > > one serving of soy, since the average serving size > > provides about 7 to 10 > > > grams of soy > > > protein. Since the FAO averages soy intake among > > the entire population, > > > including infants, > > > children, and adults, it can be expected that soy > > intake among adults is > > > actually even > > > higher. Indeed, more precise data coming from at > > least 15 large surveys > > > show this to be > > > the case. These surveys have been conducted over > > the past seven years by > > > scientists in > > > Japan and other Asian countries. This information > > was readily available to > > > Dr. Daniel since > > > it was published in English-language scientific > > journals. The surveys > > > reveal that Japanese > > > adults consume on average a total of one and a > > half to two servings of soy > > > foods per day, > > > about 40 to 50 milligrams of isoflavones. > > Researchers at prestigious Asian > > > institutions > > > such as the Gifu University School of Medicine in > > Japan have played a key > > > role in providing > > > this information on soy intake.1 > > > What makes Dr. Daniel's conclusions all the more > > curious is the fact that > > > she was provided > > > with all of the information I've cited above > > before her article was > > > published. She could have > > > used reliable data but chose not to. > > > === message truncated === > > Linda > http://triballife.net/ <http://triballife.net/> A Marketplace for a > Better World > > ________ > Don't get soaked. 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Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Yes, I sent a letter. They did print a letter to the editor by John Robbins, but nothing close to a retraction. Linda --- Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: > Just curious -- did you tell Mothering why you > cancelled your > subscription? It would be great if they would > apologize and print a > retraction with the true story... > Heather > > Linda Evans wrote: > > > > I don't trust Mothering anymore. I d for > 5 > > years and canceled after the article. I find any > > publication which would not check on the facts or > at > > least explain where the writer is from to be > suspect. > > > > Linda > > --- chandelle' <earthmother213 > > <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > i'm such a big fan of mothering. if i had been a > > > r when that > > > article was put out, i very likely would have > > > cancelled my subscription. i > > > trust mothering to print articles about > attachment > > > parenting that are > > > well-founded and supported by excellent > > > evidence...not drivel. > > > > > > On 3/13/07, k.beauford <karen > > <karen%40beaufordres.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Not everyone agrees with Dr. Blaylock. I have > > > heard (or read, rather) him > > > > speak highly of > > > > Kaayla Daniel's work (she is with the WAPF) so > > > that shows me where he is > > > > coming from. I > > > > don't see any footnotes in that article by Dr. > > > Blaylock, so it is hard to > > > > refute his statements > > > > if he doesn't say where he is getting his > > > information from. Anyway, here > > > > are some articles > > > > on the safety of soy (for those who do not > have a > > > soy allergy, obviously) > > > > that you might > > > > want to check out: > > > > > > > > ANDREW WEIL, MD, ADDRESSES " INTERNET PARANOIA > ON > > > THE SUBJECT OF SOY " (this > > > > article can be found at: > > > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575 > > <http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575>) > > > > > > > > HERE IS ANOTHER ARTICLE BY ANDREW WEIL, MD, > THIS > > > ONE SPECIFICALLY > > > > ADDRESSING > > > > SOY FOR BOYS (this article can be found at: > > > > http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ > <http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/> > > > > QAA312211) > > > > > > > > ANOTHER ARTICLE ON MALES AND SOY, THIS ONE > WRITTEN > > > BY VIRGINIA MESSINA, > > > > MPH, > > > > RD (this article can be found here: > > > > > http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219 > > <http://vegrd.vegan.com/pages/article.php?id=219>) > > > > HERE, REGISTERED DIETICIAN BRENDA DAVIS > PROVIDES A > > > GREAT RESPONSE TO A > > > > QUESTION ON SOY SAFETY IN GENERAL (This > article > > > can be found here: http:// > > > > > www.vegsource.com/articles2/davis_soy_safe.htm) > > > > > > > > Being Vegan and Eating Soy: Myths, Truths, and > > > Everything in Between_by > > > > Christa Novelli, > > > > M.P.H. Great article addressing Kaayla > Daniel's > > > and WAPF stance on soy: > > > > http:// > > > > > www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm > > > > > > > > HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY JOEL FUHRMAN, MD. DR. > > > FUHRMAN HAS A MORE > > > > CONSERVATIVE > > > > VIEW AS TO THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF SOY, BUT HE > DOES > > > REASSURINGLY ADDRESS > > > > THE > > > > SAFETY OF SOY. IT CAN BE FOUND AT: > > > > https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx? > > <https://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx?> > > > > sid=16 & qindex=5 > > > > > > > > IN 2004, MOTHERING MAGAZINE PUBLISHED AN > ARTICLE > > > WRITTEN BY KAAYLA T. > > > > DANIEL > > > > ENTITLED " THE WHOLE SOY STORY, THE DARK SIDE > OF > > > AMERICA'S FAVORITE HEALTH > > > > FOOD " WHICH WAS REPLETE WITH ERRONEOUS AND > > > MISLEADING INFORMATION. SOME > > > > RESPONSES TO MS. DANIEL'S PIECE CAN BE VIEWED > > > HERE: > > > > http://www.mothering.com/ > <http://www.mothering.com/> > > > > sections/extras/soy-letters.html. YOU WILL > FIND > > > THAT MANY PEOPLE WROTE IN > > > > ON BOTH > > > > SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING MARK MESSINA, > PHD, > > > ADJUNCT ASSOCIATE > > > > PROFESSOR, > > > > DEPARTMENT OF NUTRITION, LOMA LINDA UNIVERSITY > AND > > > SOY EXPERT WHO PENNED > > > > THIS INFORMATIVE LETTER TO MOTHERING: > > > > The article " The Whole Soy Story " was filled > with > > > so many inaccuracies > > > > about soy foods that > > > > it is possible to reach only one conclusion: > the > > > author was intentionally > > > > misleading > > > > readers. Although Dr. Daniel cited scientific > > > articles, she did so > > > > selectively-that is, using > > > > only those sources that supported her points > and > > > ignoring any study that > > > > would have > > > > forced her to present a more balanced and > accurate > > > viewpoint. > > > > Dr. Daniel erroneously stated that Asians > consume > > > 9 to 36 grams of total > > > > soy foods-or > > > > 1/3 to 1_ ounces of these foods-per day based > on > > > her analysis of two > > > > sources. The first > > > > report she used is one with which I'm very > > > familiar, since I commissioned > > > > this document > > > > while serving as a program director in the > > > government's National Cancer > > > > Institute. This > > > > older report was never published, and in light > of > > > more recent detailed > > > > information, it no > > > > longer represents a particularly useful source > of > > > information about soy > > > > food consumption. > > > > Furthermore, the author failed to understand > this > > > report, as well as > > > > another source she > > > > used to suggest that the Japanese consume only > 18 > > > grams of soy foods per > > > > day. In both > > > > cases, Dr. Daniel confused foods measured in > their > > > natural whole food > > > > weight (wet weight) > > > > with those in the dehydrated (dry weight) > state. > > > Readers can understand > > > > this concept by > > > > simply imagining a pound of apples versus a > pound > > > of dried apples; these > > > > are two very > > > > different amounts of food. A failure to make > this > > > distinction produces > > > > gross measuring > > > > inaccuracies. In this case, Dr. Daniel failed > to > > > understand that 18 grams > > > > of dehydrated soy > === message truncated === Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 There is a magazine called " living without " . It is a magazine for people with allergies and intolerances to a number of foods. I have never actually read it, so I don't know how useful it would be for her and I don't know if it promotes meat eating or not. But, maybe something to check into. , chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > > there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten- intolerant and > allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. they are > essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm working on > it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is directed to > about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an entirely soy-free > family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, many times > hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm frustrated > with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more using soy > as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as an > additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some resources > - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without soy. > gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering adding meat > to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. > > TIA, > chandelle' > > -- > " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what to do or > shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they will see > clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and to others, > and they will make for themselves a better path into that world then anyone > else could make for them. " > > ~John Holt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 One I've picked up a few times is called Allergic Living http://www.allergicliving.com/ It's based in Canada but covers North America, and it's very well done. It does contain some meat recipes but is not omni-heavy. I actually find it's great for tips on vegan food since it is so mindful of people with dairy and egg allergies (and all the other " top 10 " allergies, one of which is soy) And some good tips on non-toxic household stuff. Heather smartgirl27us wrote: > > There is a magazine called " living without " . It is a magazine for > people with allergies and intolerances to a number of foods. I have > never actually read it, so I don't know how useful it would be for > her and I don't know if it promotes meat eating or not. But, maybe > something to check into. > > > <%40>, chandelle' <earthmother213 > wrote: > > > > there is a woman at my husband's school whose son is gluten- > intolerant and > > allergic to soy, dairy, and eggs, and lots of other things too. > they are > > essentially a vegan family, minus a fish oil supplement (i'm > working on > > it). she is really frustrated because every resource she is > directed to > > about living vegan is very heavily soy-based. they are an > entirely soy-free > > family because it makes her son very ill. soy is in everything, > many times > > hidden, much like gluten, so they are really struggling. (i'm > frustrated > > with this too! no more sibsidies for soy factory farms! no more > using soy > > as a filler! it's not a health food if it's processed and used as > an > > additive! grrrr!) i would really like to direct her toward some > resources > > - books, articles, recipes, or websites - for living vegan without > soy. > > gluten-free would be good too. please help! she's considering > adding meat > > to their diet because there are so few things he can eat. > > > > TIA, > > chandelle' > > > > -- > > " Children do not need to be made to learn to be better, told what > to do or > > shown how. If they are given access to enough of the world, they > will see > > clearly enough what things are truly important to themselves and > to others, > > and they will make for themselves a better path into that world > then anyone > > else could make for them. " > > > > ~John Holt > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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