dairy - no harm? [was: Mars article, and a question]

[Guest guest]

I applaud everyone who makes an effort, so I am not trying to blast

anyone for eating dairy.

I feel that most vegetarians do not realize however that a great

majority of milking cows are kept pregnant in order to up their milk

production. Once they give birth, the calves are either shipped to

veal farms (if male) or slaughtered for rennet. (rennet is in most

cheeses as well), so to say that no harm comes to dairy cows is

false.

Just my two cents.

Tracy

 

, chandelle' <earthmother213

wrote:

>

> not to mention that most of the hamburger in this country is from

dairy

> cows, and male calves are sent off for veal.

>

> On 5/21/07, Paul Falvo <pfalvo wrote:

> >

> > With respect, many vegans would dispute the statement that " no

harm

> > comes to the cow directly [as a result of dairy production] "

> >

> > > So whereas vegetarians are happy to consume milk because no

> > > harm comes to the cow directly

> >

> > They are still raised in captivity and subject to questionable

> > treatment. Then there are the environmental issues associated

with dairy

> > production. So, really the identical arguments for vegetarianism

apply

> > to veganism.

> >

> > I recognise that we probably don't want to get into a debate on

this

> > list over this issue. And we have freedom of choice in what we

eat. But,

> > I don't think it is fair to say no harm comes to the cow from

dairy.

> >

> > Maybe more accurate to say, " no harm comes quickly " because the

end

> > result is the same ... just look at the lifespan of cow's in

today's

> > dairy farms.

> >

> > Now over to the lacto-vegetarians to flame me ...

> >

> > ~Paul

> >

> >

> >

> > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG

website at

> > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for

families go to

> > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not

intended to

> > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be

obtained from a

> > qualified health professional.

> >

> > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health

> > professional.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I was one of those " no harm " veggies for a while... didn't do my homework to

find out these facts. Makes me want to cry for those cows... and their wasted

babies!

 

I was out for a bike ride in Wisconsin's dairy land the other day and road by a

farm that was - what looked to be - over populated. It wasn't a huge farm, but

it definitely looked like tight quarters to me. Poor cows.

 

Thanks for sharing this info.. if I ever waiver on the milk thing I will quickly

think of these poor 'mommy' cows. I've also read that many of them end up w/

plugged ducts and mastitis... I'm nursing right now and just the thought of that

makes me CRINGE!

 

Laura Mount

I am training for my first TRIATHLON with Team In Training! Please take a look

at my fundraising page and help the cause!!

http://www.active.com/donate/tntwi/tntwiLMount Thank you in advance for your

support!

 

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Family Blog

Our photos

 

 

 

 

 

Tracy <tpcat29

 

Friday, May 25, 2007 3:54:37 PM

dairy - no harm? [was: Re: Re: Mars article, and a

question]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I applaud everyone who makes an effort, so I am not trying to blast

 

anyone for eating dairy.

 

I feel that most vegetarians do not realize however that a great

 

majority of milking cows are kept pregnant in order to up their milk

 

production. Once they give birth, the calves are either shipped to

 

veal farms (if male) or slaughtered for rennet. (rennet is in most

 

cheeses as well), so to say that no harm comes to dairy cows is

 

false.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Tracy

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, chandelle' <earthmother213@ ...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> not to mention that most of the hamburger in this country is from

 

dairy

 

> cows, and male calves are sent off for veal.

 

>

 

> On 5/21/07, Paul Falvo <pfalvo wrote:

 

> >

 

> > With respect, many vegans would dispute the statement that " no

 

harm

 

> > comes to the cow directly [as a result of dairy production] "

 

> >

 

> > > So whereas vegetarians are happy to consume milk because no

 

> > > harm comes to the cow directly

 

> >

 

> > They are still raised in captivity and subject to questionable

 

> > treatment. Then there are the environmental issues associated

 

with dairy

 

> > production. So, really the identical arguments for vegetarianism

 

apply

 

> > to veganism.

 

> >

 

> > I recognise that we probably don't want to get into a debate on

 

this

 

> > list over this issue. And we have freedom of choice in what we

 

eat. But,

 

> > I don't think it is fair to say no harm comes to the cow from

 

dairy.

 

> >

 

> > Maybe more accurate to say, " no harm comes quickly " because the

 

end

 

> > result is the same ... just look at the lifespan of cow's in

 

today's

 

> > dairy farms.

 

> >

 

> > Now over to the lacto-vegetarians to flame me ...

 

> >

 

> > ~Paul

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG

 

website at

 

> > http://www.vrg. org and for materials especially useful for

 

families go to

 

> > http://www.vrg. org/family. This is a discussion list and is not

 

intended to

 

> > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be

 

obtained from a

 

> > qualified health professional.

 

> >

 

> > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

 

qualified health

 

> > professional.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

[Guest guest]

uh, just found this link for those that might want more info for self or to

share.

http://www.factoryfarming.com/dairy.htm

 

Laura Mount

I am training for my first TRIATHLON with Team In Training! Please take a look

at my fundraising page and help the cause!!

http://www.active.com/donate/tntwi/tntwiLMount Thank you in advance for your

support!

 

Green Girl's Guide

Family Blog

Our photos

 

 

 

 

 

Tracy <tpcat29

 

Friday, May 25, 2007 3:54:37 PM

dairy - no harm? [was: Re: Re: Mars article, and a

question]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I applaud everyone who makes an effort, so I am not trying to blast

 

anyone for eating dairy.

 

I feel that most vegetarians do not realize however that a great

 

majority of milking cows are kept pregnant in order to up their milk

 

production. Once they give birth, the calves are either shipped to

 

veal farms (if male) or slaughtered for rennet. (rennet is in most

 

cheeses as well), so to say that no harm comes to dairy cows is

 

false.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Tracy

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, chandelle' <earthmother213@ ...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> not to mention that most of the hamburger in this country is from

 

dairy

 

> cows, and male calves are sent off for veal.

 

>

 

> On 5/21/07, Paul Falvo <pfalvo wrote:

 

> >

 

> > With respect, many vegans would dispute the statement that " no

 

harm

 

> > comes to the cow directly [as a result of dairy production] "

 

> >

 

> > > So whereas vegetarians are happy to consume milk because no

 

> > > harm comes to the cow directly

 

> >

 

> > They are still raised in captivity and subject to questionable

 

> > treatment. Then there are the environmental issues associated

 

with dairy

 

> > production. So, really the identical arguments for vegetarianism

 

apply

 

> > to veganism.

 

> >

 

> > I recognise that we probably don't want to get into a debate on

 

this

 

> > list over this issue. And we have freedom of choice in what we

 

eat. But,

 

> > I don't think it is fair to say no harm comes to the cow from

 

dairy.

 

> >

 

> > Maybe more accurate to say, " no harm comes quickly " because the

 

end

 

> > result is the same ... just look at the lifespan of cow's in

 

today's

 

> > dairy farms.

 

> >

 

> > Now over to the lacto-vegetarians to flame me ...

 

> >

 

> > ~Paul

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG

 

website at

 

> > http://www.vrg. org and for materials especially useful for

 

families go to

 

> > http://www.vrg. org/family. This is a discussion list and is not

 

intended to

 

> > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be

 

obtained from a

 

> > qualified health professional.

 

> >

 

> > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

 

qualified health

 

> > professional.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

[Guest guest]

Like Tracy I applaud all who try to make a difference in whatever way they are

able. That being said, if anyone who consumes dairy in any form has not already

done so, check out www.notmilk.com Sorry if this is a repeat and someone else

has already mentioned it. It is a great site though and well worth visiting.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link. This prooves my vegan 5 yo right. We were driving through

rural lancaster county, and saw some cows grazing in a field. My mother said,

" those cows look so happy " my 5 yo said, " Yea, until somebody eats them. " She

incorrectly told him that since they looked like dairy cows, they would not be

eaten. I'll explain to him that he was right.

 

Laura Mount <lamount03 wrote:

uh, just found this link for those that might want more info for self

or to share.

http://www.factoryfarming.com/dairy.htm

 

Laura Mount

I am training for my first TRIATHLON with Team In Training! Please take a look

at my fundraising page and help the cause!!

http://www.active.com/donate/tntwi/tntwiLMount Thank you in advance for your

support!

 

Green Girl's Guide

Family Blog

Our photos

 

 

Tracy <tpcat29

 

Friday, May 25, 2007 3:54:37 PM

dairy - no harm? [was: Re: Re: Mars article, and a

question]

 

I applaud everyone who makes an effort, so I am not trying to blast

 

anyone for eating dairy.

 

I feel that most vegetarians do not realize however that a great

 

majority of milking cows are kept pregnant in order to up their milk

 

production. Once they give birth, the calves are either shipped to

 

veal farms (if male) or slaughtered for rennet. (rennet is in most

 

cheeses as well), so to say that no harm comes to dairy cows is

 

false.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Tracy

 

@gro ups.com, chandelle' <earthmother213@ ...>

 

wrote:

 

>

 

> not to mention that most of the hamburger in this country is from

 

dairy

 

> cows, and male calves are sent off for veal.

 

>

 

> On 5/21/07, Paul Falvo <pfalvo wrote:

 

> >

 

> > With respect, many vegans would dispute the statement that " no

 

harm

 

> > comes to the cow directly [as a result of dairy production] "

 

> >

 

> > > So whereas vegetarians are happy to consume milk because no

 

> > > harm comes to the cow directly

 

> >

 

> > They are still raised in captivity and subject to questionable

 

> > treatment. Then there are the environmental issues associated

 

with dairy

 

> > production. So, really the identical arguments for vegetarianism

 

apply

 

> > to veganism.

 

> >

 

> > I recognise that we probably don't want to get into a debate on

 

this

 

> > list over this issue. And we have freedom of choice in what we

 

eat. But,

 

> > I don't think it is fair to say no harm comes to the cow from

 

dairy.

 

> >

 

> > Maybe more accurate to say, " no harm comes quickly " because the

 

end

 

> > result is the same ... just look at the lifespan of cow's in

 

today's

 

> > dairy farms.

 

> >

 

> > Now over to the lacto-vegetarians to flame me ...

 

> >

 

> > ~Paul

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG

 

website at

 

> > http://www.vrg. org and for materials especially useful for

 

families go to

 

> > http://www.vrg. org/family. This is a discussion list and is not

 

intended to

 

> > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be

 

obtained from a

 

> > qualified health professional.

 

> >

 

> > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

 

qualified health

 

> > professional.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

[Guest guest]

And everyone should view their impact on the planet:

http://www.myfootprint.org/

 

 

" dilemma5 " <dilemma5 wrote:

Like Tracy I applaud all who try to make a difference in whatever way

they are able. That being said, if anyone who consumes dairy in any form has not

already done so, check out www.notmilk.com Sorry if this is a repeat and someone

else has already mentioned it. It is a great site though and well worth

visiting.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle