Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Hi There, My best friend's 15 year old son has been veg since he was 5, by choice. The rest of the family, while very veg friendly, is not. He was diagnosed w/ celiac's disease a year ago, and the whole family has embraced it. Problem is, he hasn't gotten any better. His immune system isn't good. He is sick and not feeling well very often. Thru e-mail lists, my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter. Any comments or suggestions? The family really eats a good diet as far as lots of veggies and fruits and legumes. They rarely eat out and eat mostly home-cooked meals. Thanks so much! Tracy " Being lacto-ovo vegetarian is a very difficult lifestyle when one is gluten free. Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods. I am just putting an idea to you at this point... Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue- building and muscle-building. Cave man ate natural foods like fruit, nuts, root vegetables, leafy vegetables, plus protein in the form of fish, eggs, and animal flesh. In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue. I tend to think that 10 years or more of eating lacto-ovo vegetarian foods may have undermined Ryan's immune system health, his tissue growth and muscle growth, and this may be the cause of his lengthy time to heal. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Oh, bull! Apes evolved into humans when they started eating fish?? Well I guess bears, sharks, and sea lions are next because they also eat fish!! That's yet another excuse I haven't heard!! All things present in meat can be obtained from vegetable sources. There are bazillions of things to eat that don't have gluten. Quinoa is a complete protein and has no gluten. Hopefully this family won't try to force this boy to eat meat when he doesn't want to... there are plenty of foods with no wheat/gluten to choose from. Meat isn't a necessity! Tracy Childs <tracychilds wrote: Hi There, My best friend's 15 year old son has been veg since he was 5, by choice. The rest of the family, while very veg friendly, is not. He was diagnosed w/ celiac's disease a year ago, and the whole family has embraced it. Problem is, he hasn't gotten any better. His immune system isn't good. He is sick and not feeling well very often. Thru e-mail lists, my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter. Any comments or suggestions? The family really eats a good diet as far as lots of veggies and fruits and legumes. They rarely eat out and eat mostly home-cooked meals. Thanks so much! Tracy " Being lacto-ovo vegetarian is a very difficult lifestyle when one is gluten free. Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods. I am just putting an idea to you at this point... Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue- building and muscle-building. Cave man ate natural foods like fruit, nuts, root vegetables, leafy vegetables, plus protein in the form of fish, eggs, and animal flesh. In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue. I tend to think that 10 years or more of eating lacto-ovo vegetarian foods may have undermined Ryan's immune system health, his tissue growth and muscle growth, and this may be the cause of his lengthy time to heal. " Kadee Sedtal " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Tracy wrote: <<my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter.>> With " friends " like this, who needs enemies? <<Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods.>> And where does she get this factoid? <<Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue-building and muscle-building.>> All protein does that. And don't you love the distinction between " meat " and " chicken/fish " ? <<In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue.>> Has anyone ever heard of this theory? Sounds like she made it up on the spot. This woman's " advice " is a waste of time. Go through the VRG website, etc., and give your friend REAL information she can use. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 It is nonsense. It woudl be helpful if your friend found a nutritionist to work with her son to help him craft a diet. Tracy Childs <tracychilds wrote: Hi There, My best friend's 15 year old son has been veg since he was 5, by choice. The rest of the family, while very veg friendly, is not. He was diagnosed w/ celiac's disease a year ago, and the whole family has embraced it. Problem is, he hasn't gotten any better. His immune system isn't good. He is sick and not feeling well very often. Thru e-mail lists, my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter. Any comments or suggestions? The family really eats a good diet as far as lots of veggies and fruits and legumes. They rarely eat out and eat mostly home-cooked meals. Thanks so much! Tracy " Being lacto-ovo vegetarian is a very difficult lifestyle when one is gluten free. Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods. I am just putting an idea to you at this point... Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue- building and muscle-building. Cave man ate natural foods like fruit, nuts, root vegetables, leafy vegetables, plus protein in the form of fish, eggs, and animal flesh. In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue. I tend to think that 10 years or more of eating lacto-ovo vegetarian foods may have undermined Ryan's immune system health, his tissue growth and muscle growth, and this may be the cause of his lengthy time to heal. " Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 asinine. the heslthiest people in the world are veggie. I would suggest they look into his diet... try supplementation... try a veggie dha, a multi, and especially a bit of sunlingual B-12... these days most kids are not getting enough vitamins. Is he eating dark green leafy greens every day? Is he consuming a wide variety of fruits and veggies, especially in the red/orange zone? Lack of vitamin a is a huge immune system danger. TRy a shake with a spirulina complex daily...add more greens. Any diet can be lacking, not just vegetarian. - Tracy Childs<tracychilds < > Monday, July 02, 2007 10:39 PM Help for GF vegetarian boy Hi There, My best friend's 15 year old son has been veg since he was 5, by choice. The rest of the family, while very veg friendly, is not. He was diagnosed w/ celiac's disease a year ago, and the whole family has embraced it. Problem is, he hasn't gotten any better. His immune system isn't good. He is sick and not feeling well very often. Thru e-mail lists, my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter. Any comments or suggestions? The family really eats a good diet as far as lots of veggies and fruits and legumes. They rarely eat out and eat mostly home-cooked meals. Thanks so much! Tracy " Being lacto-ovo vegetarian is a very difficult lifestyle when one is gluten free. Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods. I am just putting an idea to you at this point... Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue- building and muscle-building. Cave man ate natural foods like fruit, nuts, root vegetables, leafy vegetables, plus protein in the form of fish, eggs, and animal flesh. In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue. I tend to think that 10 years or more of eating lacto-ovo vegetarian foods may have undermined Ryan's immune system health, his tissue growth and muscle growth, and this may be the cause of his lengthy time to heal. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Vegetarian recipes for Passover may be a great way to go (those with matza can be skipped or they can use oat matza, if they can find it). Here is a site I like: http://www.vrg.org/recipes/passover.htm ERB <bakwin wrote: Tracy wrote: <<my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter.>> With " friends " like this, who needs enemies? <<Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods.>> And where does she get this factoid? <<Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue-building and muscle-building.>> All protein does that. And don't you love the distinction between " meat " and " chicken/fish " ? <<In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue.>> Has anyone ever heard of this theory? Sounds like she made it up on the spot. This woman's " advice " is a waste of time. Go through the VRG website, etc., and give your friend REAL information she can use. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 This site has a chart of what to substitute, like instead of oatmeal its okay to eat grits, instead of flour tortillas buy corn tortillas, etc. That should help him a lot. http://www.vegfamily.com/health/gluten-free-vegan-diet.htm http://www.vegsoc.org/info/gluten.html http://www.coeliac.co.uk/ Renee Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 An excellent resource that you might recommend to your best friend is Food Allergy Survival Guide by Vesanto Melina, Jo Stepaniak, and Dina Aronson. Two of the authors are registered dietitians. The book is vegetarian and has a lot of information about various allergies including celiac disease. See http://www.vrg.org/journal/vj2005issue1/vj2005issue1books.htm for a review of the book. In addition, Vegetarian Journal has featured articles on gluten-free foods like Gluten-Free Cuisine (http://www.vrg.org/journal//vj2006issue4/vj2006issue4gluten.htm). I have a lot of questions about the statements your friend got from her email list. Gluten-free diets can be developed for both lacto-ovo vegetarians and vegans. The amount of gluten in a vegetarian diet really depends on the foods an individual selects. I'm not aware of any studies that show that " Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods " . There is no nutritional requirement for animal protein. The amino acids found in all protein sources (whether plant-based or animal-based) are what are needed for building muscles. Without knowing more of your friend's son's medical situation, it is impossible to say why he is having difficulties. Is there a registered dietitian who is knowledgeable about celiac disease that your friend and her son could meet with? Has she discussed her concerns with her son's medical doctor? Hope this helps. Reed Reed Mangels, PhD, RD Nutrition Advisor, The Vegetarian Resource Group PO Box 1463 Baltimore, MD 21203 www.vrg.org Help for GF vegetarian boy Posted by: " Tracy Childs " tracychilds tracychildz Mon Jul 2, 2007 8:32 pm (PST) Hi There, My best friend's 15 year old son has been veg since he was 5, by choice. The rest of the family, while very veg friendly, is not. He was diagnosed w/ celiac's disease a year ago, and the whole family has embraced it. Problem is, he hasn't gotten any better. His immune system isn't good. He is sick and not feeling well very often. Thru e-mail lists, my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter. Any comments or suggestions? The family really eats a good diet as far as lots of veggies and fruits and legumes. They rarely eat out and eat mostly home-cooked meals. Thanks so much! Tracy " Being lacto-ovo vegetarian is a very difficult lifestyle when one is gluten free. Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods. I am just putting an idea to you at this point... Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue- building and muscle-building. Cave man ate natural foods like fruit, nuts, root vegetables, leafy vegetables, plus protein in the form of fish, eggs, and animal flesh. In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue. I tend to think that 10 years or more of eating lacto-ovo vegetarian foods may have undermined Ryan's immune system health, his tissue growth and muscle growth, and this may be the cause of his lengthy time to heal. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Hi Tracy, Strange that this came up on the exact same day I had just had a conversation with someone who had a similar situation with her daughter. In her case, her daughter was much younger and had had numerous incorrect diagnoses about her digestive problems. Although they followed a celiac-friendly diet to the the letter, her daughter only continued to get worse. When they finally visited a naturopath, they found that her body was overrun yeast and that her pancreas had multiple issues. Of course, this may not be the case with your friend's son, but I would highly recommend testing him for excess yeast. It is often a culprit, but rarely suggested. For them, many years of problems were solved by putting her on an anti-candida diet. Within 3 months, she went from a tortured little girl to basically normal. Hope it helps, Jen , Tracy Childs <tracychilds wrote: > > Hi There, > > My best friend's 15 year old son has been veg since he was 5, by > choice. The rest of the family, while very veg friendly, is not. He > was diagnosed w/ celiac's disease a year ago, and the > whole family has embraced it. Problem is, he hasn't gotten any > better. His immune system isn't good. He is sick and not feeling well > very often. Thru e-mail lists, my friend has enlisted the > help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following > letter. Any comments or suggestions? The family really eats a good > diet as far as lots of veggies and fruits and legumes. They > rarely eat out and eat mostly home-cooked meals. > > Thanks so much! > > Tracy > > " Being lacto-ovo vegetarian is a very difficult lifestyle when one is > gluten free. Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten > foods. I am just putting an idea to you at this point... > Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have > lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue- > building and muscle-building. Cave man ate natural foods like fruit, > nuts, root vegetables, leafy vegetables, plus protein in the form of > fish, eggs, and animal flesh. In fact the theory is that man > developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they > introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for > brain tissue. > I tend to think that 10 years or more of eating lacto-ovo vegetarian > foods may have undermined Ryan's immune system health, his tissue > growth and muscle growth, and this may be the cause of his lengthy > time to heal. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Hi, Tracy, My husband has celiac disease (actually, it's more of a pre-celiac state because he doesn't have the damage to his digestive system that constitutes celiac disease). So, hopefully, I can be of some help with this issue. One of the biggest problems is dealing with a gluten-free diet is avoiding contamination. The smallest spec of contamination from anything containing gluten (wheat, barley, rye) will cause a problem. Most of the " gluten-free " items aren't really gluten-free as they are processed in facilities that process wheat, etc. Items like oats/oatmeal are pretty much always contaminated. Most of the mills that produces items like brown rice flour also produce wheat flours. Soy sauce usually has wheat in it, as well. Another thing to consider with celiac disease is the extensive damage that has already been done to the digestive system. The last thing any celiac patient needs is fiberless animal products to further agitate the system! As another person pointed out, this kid needs nutrients. The most nutrient-dense foods are plant foods - vegetables, fruits, legumes, nuts, and seeds (everything except grains, which are on about the same level as animal products with nutrient density). There are plenty of omega-3 fats in plant foods, so there are no worries about brain development (unless he's eating lots of grains and omega-6 rich oils). Homo sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years. They didn't start hunting until about 20,000 years ago, and then started the agriculture revolution 10,000 years ago. Humans were primarily foragers for two million years (as homo erectus and its decended species) only having animal flesh as scavengers. And, with the hunting came the worst aspects of human society (the subjugation of women and the concept of dominating others to get more). Animal products are to blame; they haven't helped us in either our development or our health. I think my husband's vegan diet is the reason he doesn't have the extensive damage to his system that celiac patients usually have. His neice, a heavy meat- and dairy-eater, has full-blown celiac disease and the extensive damage that goes with it. The South African woman's claim of protein being an issue, of course, doesn't even show consistency in her view. The kid is lacto-ovo. The amino acid composition of milk is basically the same as meat, and eggs are similar, as well. Of course, as others have pointed out, the protein claims are ridiculous anyway, but I'm just pointing out the woman's lack of logic. The dairy itself is probably to blame for the kid's problems. Dairy wreaks havoc on many people's immune systems. --Allison Hi There, My best friend's 15 year old son has been veg since he was 5, by choice. The rest of the family, while very veg friendly, is not. He was diagnosed w/ celiac's disease a year ago, and the whole family has embraced it. Problem is, he hasn't gotten any better. His immune system isn't good. He is sick and not feeling well very often. Thru e-mail lists, my friend has enlisted the help of a woman in South Africa who just sent her the following letter. Any comments or suggestions? The family really eats a good diet as far as lots of veggies and fruits and legumes. They rarely eat out and eat mostly home-cooked meals. Thanks so much! Tracy " Being lacto-ovo vegetarian is a very difficult lifestyle when one is gluten free. Lacto-ovo vegetarians tend to eat huge amounts of gluten foods. I am just putting an idea to you at this point... Because your son has eaten this way since age 5 years, he may have lacked major protein (i.e. meat, fish, chicken) which is tissue- building and muscle-building. Cave man ate natural foods like fruit, nuts, root vegetables, leafy vegetables, plus protein in the form of fish, eggs, and animal flesh. In fact the theory is that man developed from ape-like creatures to thinking human beings when they introduced fish into their diets and the fish oils were good for brain tissue. I tend to think that 10 years or more of eating lacto-ovo vegetarian foods may have undermined Ryan's immune system health, his tissue growth and muscle growth, and this may be the cause of his lengthy time to heal. " Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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