Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I just got email from my MIL. A newsletter she s to is saying that it doesn't do any good to buy organic: > The recent issue the Nutrition Action newsletter has articles on > organic foods. Bottom line - they don;t think you really need to > buy them, as they have pesticide residues in them form the soil, > air, etc. Especially don't need to buy organic milk. I'm disappointed to hear there are still residues even in organic stuff, but I still would think it would be better than non-organic. And re. the milk, if I can't afford to buy anything else organic, I at least make sure to get organic milk! (No offense intended, for those who don't drink milk.) Anybody know anything about this? Speaking of milk, I have another question (pardon my ignorance): I've heard that too much soy is bad for boys, since it is similar in some ways to estrogen. For that reason I've been afraid to give my kids too much soy milk. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Your MIL really gave you the info out of context. Here is the link to the article: http://www.cspinet.org/nah/vlog/organicfood.html. I suggest that you follow the links and do your own research. The bottom line is that our government has abdicated its responsiblity to see that food standards are upheld. My favorite part of summer is going to the farmers markets and talking with the farm-families about their farming practices. Small family farms do not have the resources to become certified as " organic " , but many do practice organic techniques; an one farmer told me: I certainly don't want to breathe that stuff. Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I just got email from my MIL. A newsletter she s to is saying that it doesn't do any good to buy organic: > The recent issue the Nutrition Action newsletter has articles on > organic foods. Bottom line - they don;t think you really need to > buy them, as they have pesticide residues in them form the soil, > air, etc. Especially don't need to buy organic milk. I'm disappointed to hear there are still residues even in organic stuff, but I still would think it would be better than non-organic. And re. the milk, if I can't afford to buy anything else organic, I at least make sure to get organic milk! (No offense intended, for those who don't drink milk.) Anybody know anything about this? Speaking of milk, I have another question (pardon my ignorance): I've heard that too much soy is bad for boys, since it is similar in some ways to estrogen. For that reason I've been afraid to give my kids too much soy milk. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I have heard that organic milk is fine and worth the money. From what I have read about organic fruits and veggies.. that information ran about the same as the newsletter. Esp in thick peeled like bananas and oranges. There its not as important. Organic Strawberries and other berries however are supposedly worth the money. As well as the Milk. IN my area the organic fruit and veggies often look sickly. I know some of it is cause its not preserved by waxes and junk.. but they are really past their prime. I can't afford organic stuff. I try to grow some stuff in my back yard. I do buy organic Milk but make sure there is certification on it. I have also heard that about soy milk. So I don't do soy anything. Tofu is a rarity. There are a few herbs that will affect boys. Usually in soaps.. lavender and tea tree oil, but the jury is still out on if it was those ingredients or something else. Almond milk, rice milk, and that sort of stuff is good though. I love the almond milk. steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of Kara Keeter Friday, July 20, 2007 1:38 PM organic foods I just got email from my MIL. A newsletter she s to is saying that it doesn't do any good to buy organic: > The recent issue the Nutrition Action newsletter has articles on > organic foods. Bottom line - they don;t think you really need to > buy them, as they have pesticide residues in them form the soil, > air, etc. Especially don't need to buy organic milk. I'm disappointed to hear there are still residues even in organic stuff, but I still would think it would be better than non-organic. And re. the milk, if I can't afford to buy anything else organic, I at least make sure to get organic milk! (No offense intended, for those who don't drink milk.) Anybody know anything about this? Speaking of milk, I have another question (pardon my ignorance): I've heard that too much soy is bad for boys, since it is similar in some ways to estrogen. For that reason I've been afraid to give my kids too much soy milk. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 It depends on the dairy. Horizon is factory farmed; Organic Valley is a coop of mostly family farms. You need to research the products that you purchase. For example, people think that clothing labeled as made in America is not made by slave labor when in fact much of this clothing is made by slave labor in the Mariana Islands. Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I like organic dairy to avoid the massive amounts of antibiotics in non-dairy. But I also thought the organic milk might practice more ethical treatment of the cows. Does anyone know if this is true? On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Namaska7 wrote: > I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus > today we > have to watch for GMO foods. > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I > too have > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that > soy is not a > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet > daily. > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > Be Well, > Lynda > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 *sigh* Yes everything you mention sounds good to *me* but it's not my diet I'm worried about. We go to the farmer's market almost every weekend in the summer. We went this morning. We were late, a lot of stuff was gone but we got tomatoes, bell peppers, nectarines, and blueberries. The kids always love the blueberries. They are wild - if you've never had the little wild ones from Ontario, or Saskatoon berries, you don't know what you're missing. We get as many as we can, while they are in season. Blueberries are very healthy. But it isn't fruit that I'm worried about. I know that kids are more interested in eating food they help choose and prepare. Someone needs to tell my kids. We do a reasonable amount of that - one of the few successes is letting them make their own personal-size sourdough pizzas. That's why I thought the kabobs would work, it's something they could do. They hated them, even the one who usually eats a reasonable amount had to be coaxed to eat a couple bites. (Although he ate an entire ear of corn himself. ) Sweet potatoes we have worn out - they no longer like them. I know they are wonderful, full of all sorts of good stuff, they loved them when they were 3 and 4. Only one likes tomatoes, and he's about done with that also. They don't like onions. Last year they loved the farmer's market peas, we sat on the deck and shelled them and ate them raw when they were in season. This year one of them ate a handful, once. So, can the one actually thrive on carbs, dairy, fruit and PB? He's the bigger one, so I'm not too worried but I would like him to have a balanced diet. The smaller one eats a lot more and a larger variety. Can they get enough protein from dairy, PB every day or two, and anything I can sneak into various-grain sourdough bread? While searching for Ethiopian recipes I read that teff (sp?) has the highest protein content of any grain, and that's what's used to make injera, the Ethiopian sourdough flatbread. I've made it several times now (with buckwheat, couldn't find teff), I love it, the guys tolerate it. But I could try making it with teff, if you think it would help or is necessary. Y'all all seem to have kids who love all sorts of wonderful stuff. *sigh* They used to eat most of the things you mention, but they've stopped in the past year or so. Sorry for going on and on, I'm just frustrated. I used to hear about a theory that since humans evolved eating fruits like the apes, that a mostly fruit diet is the best. I guess my kids are testing that theory. I just remembered that for their birthday we had a party-sized Stouffer's frozen vegetarian lasagna, and they loved that. They hated my attempt at a homemade one, so maybe I should buy another frozen one. Hmmm... could it be that I'm just a bad cook??? *gasp*! No, there's no way even a bad cook could ruin raw veggies and dip. LOL Thanks for listening to my ranting and raving. :-) On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:55 PM, robin koloms wrote: > sweet onions on the grill are so delish! Kids also like corn and > sweet potatoes. My daughter is a broccoli fanatic. > > Take the kids to a farmers market or the grocery store and let them > each pick a veggie. Go to the library and get a good kids cookbook > (I love the Moosewood) and let them pick recipes. When the kids > participate in the choices a preparation of the food, they are much > more likely to eat it. > Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > Oh, I didn't know all that! Thanks for taking the time to tell me > these things. I really appreciate you guys tolerating my uninformed > questions. I've told the kids that I'm really proud of their > standing by their decision to not eat meat, and that I will start > joining them in some vegetarian meals, but that they must be willing > to eat some rice and beans and other healthy vegetarian meals, not > just PB and honey. > > Tonight we are going to try shish kabobs on the grill, with tofu > chucks, pineapple... one kid will probably like tomatoes, but I don't > know if either would like the zucchini, mushrooms, etc. suggested in > the recipe. Does anyone have any other ideas what might go on shish > kabobs for kids? (They are asking for waffles!!!) I also found a > recipe for a peanut dipping sauce made with PB and honey with a bit > of OJ and lemon juice. Since they like hummus, and they like PB, I > thought they might like this. Giving them the usual dipping sauce > (honey mustard, ranch, etc) no longer works to get them to eat > veggies. I was going to put it in a Little Dipper crock pot too, > for the novelty. > > Oh... and the recipe says the tofu should be pre-cooked. Does that > mean I should cook it in a skillet or something, before the kids put > it on the stick? > > -Kara > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:38 PM, ERB wrote: > > > One thing to keep in mind with all the anti-soy hype (in addition > > to the fact that it is largely fueled by the dairy and other > > industries, as opposed to doctors or nutritionists) is that anyone > > eating the Standard American Diet is eating significantly more soy > > that the average vegetarian. Soy is the number 2 ingredient in cow > > feed after corn (they're naturally grass eaters) and both corn & > > soy are heavily featured in prepared foods. It's not just tofu > > you're looking for on a label: it's things like soy oil and various > > isolates. A vegetarian preparing meals mostly from scratch will > > have only the soy they consciously put in. > > > > Also, anyone who tells you that Asians don't eat as much soy as we > > Americans think, is wrong. That's the counter-argument when a > > vegetarian points out the better health in countries where tofu, > > etc. originated from. They try to say that the average intake of > > soy in China, Japan, etc. is something like one ounce a day. It's > > simply not true. There are soy products in much of the food. Even > > omnivores are eating a lot of it on a regular basis. > > > > Liz > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Thanks!! Both those are available to us, I forget which one we usually get but we will certainly make sure it's Organic Valley from now on! (Where we are for summers those brands aren't available; anyone know about brands in Ontario?) My sister was researching where things are manufactured. I couldn't believe it when she said businesses actually choose to ship materials halfway around the world to some third world country, and ship the finished goods all the way back. That's how much cheaper labor is over there. Sorry for more ranting. We watched " An Inconvenient Truth " tonight, and I'm just feeling sad about the state of things. We simply have got to get more people to buy more locally and eat lower on the food chain. You guys are doing so much good... but so many others aren't. On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:29 PM, robin koloms wrote: > It depends on the dairy. Horizon is factory farmed; Organic Valley > is a coop of mostly family farms. You need to research the products > that you purchase. For example, people think that clothing labeled > as made in America is not made by slave labor when in fact much of > this clothing is made by slave labor in the Mariana Islands. > > Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I like organic dairy > to avoid the massive amounts of antibiotics in > non-dairy. But I also thought the organic milk might practice more > ethical treatment of the cows. Does anyone know if this is true? > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Namaska7 wrote: > > > I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus > > today we > > have to watch for GMO foods. > > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I > > too have > > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that > > soy is not a > > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet > > daily. > > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > > Be Well, > > Lynda > > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > > new AOL at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Ok I have to put my two cents in on this one ;-) Organic is deffently better than non-organic. I know that the criteria in different countries are differen to what they call organic. But they are still better than the fertilice and pestecide filed stuff. First of all it would be a good idear to support, so we get more of it. Second of all it is better for the enviroment. and thirdly it is better for the kids health. Studies has shown that organic vegies and fruit contains more vitamines, minerals and phytonutriens. Nursing mothers who drink organic milk compared to the ones who dring non-organic milk has a much higher content of omega-3 in their brestmilk. Rats feed organic foods compared to ones who ate " normal " food were more heathy and had a stronger immunesystem. Studies also show that kids feed " normal " foods compared to kids eating organic foods had a lot of pestecides in their body. The organic kids dident. And I can go on and on. I trust the organic foods here in my country because we have really strict rules about it. I know in the US some of the so called organic foods are not so organic after all. But if you try to buy the ones that are certified (Krav, Skal, the soil ass. a.s.o.) you can be sure it is what it is surpose to be. Also if you know the local farmer where you buy your organic vegies from, ask him/her how they grow it. A lot of local farmers dont use pestecides or fertilicers but still dont call themself organic, but they are ;-) The farmers organisations are trying to get people to stop eating organic, they even try to promote how healthy it is to eat meat. They just want to sell their stuff. Dont buy into this, use you own judgement. Studies show that a plant based diet is the most healthy for humans, but the farmes will tell you the opposite. In my country most matrial for new moms is sponsored be the diary industry and the meat industry. Do you think we get objectiv information ? How can a carrot grown in mineral depledet soil filed with arteficial fertilisers and sprayed with pestecides be more healthy that a biodynamic carrot grown in a mineral rich soil without pestecide ? Check out the internet for information. If not for any other reasons than to support the efford of the people who try to make organic the future. Kristine , Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > > Thanks!! Both those are available to us, I forget which one we > usually get but we will certainly make sure it's Organic Valley from > now on! (Where we are for summers those brands aren't available; > anyone know about brands in Ontario?) > > My sister was researching where things are manufactured. I couldn't > believe it when she said businesses actually choose to ship materials > halfway around the world to some third world country, and ship the > finished goods all the way back. That's how much cheaper labor is > over there. > > Sorry for more ranting. We watched " An Inconvenient Truth " tonight, > and I'm just feeling sad about the state of things. We simply have > got to get more people to buy more locally and eat lower on the food > chain. You guys are doing so much good... but so many others > aren't. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Kara, We all do what we can and every little bit helps. Try to get everyone you know to watch An Inconvenient Truth. Give gifts of compact fluorescents, water filters and CSA shares. Robin Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: Thanks!! Both those are available to us, I forget which one we usually get but we will certainly make sure it's Organic Valley from now on! (Where we are for summers those brands aren't available; anyone know about brands in Ontario?) My sister was researching where things are manufactured. I couldn't believe it when she said businesses actually choose to ship materials halfway around the world to some third world country, and ship the finished goods all the way back. That's how much cheaper labor is over there. Sorry for more ranting. We watched " An Inconvenient Truth " tonight, and I'm just feeling sad about the state of things. We simply have got to get more people to buy more locally and eat lower on the food chain. You guys are doing so much good... but so many others aren't. On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:29 PM, robin koloms wrote: > It depends on the dairy. Horizon is factory farmed; Organic Valley > is a coop of mostly family farms. You need to research the products > that you purchase. For example, people think that clothing labeled > as made in America is not made by slave labor when in fact much of > this clothing is made by slave labor in the Mariana Islands. > > Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I like organic dairy > to avoid the massive amounts of antibiotics in > non-dairy. But I also thought the organic milk might practice more > ethical treatment of the cows. Does anyone know if this is true? > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Namaska7 wrote: > > > I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus > > today we > > have to watch for GMO foods. > > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I > > too have > > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that > > soy is not a > > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet > > daily. > > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > > Be Well, > > Lynda > > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > > new AOL at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Kara, How old are your kids? Do they get enough exercise ? or general outside kid stuff? Do they snack in between meals? One thing I do when they go through this phase ( and all of them have at some point ) is that I refuse to be their short order cook. And I don't let snacking happen if they don't eat. I don't let them make a sandwich on their own either. Our food budget is tight as we are trying to pay off some debts from our past. So.. they get good meals and good snacks, but I don't have a pantry that they can rummage through. ** there is the occasion where some ones tooth is lose, or some strange thing like that where the rules on the short order thing is relaxed.. but if the reason is the typical Whine with dinner. " I don't liiike it. " then tough noogies. I have one that won't eat onions at all. So she must pick them out on her own. Now I would not be so strict with the snacks in that case.. but I am not going to sit and pick the onions out or conform the meal for seven to suit the one. I have found that when she comes in from playing she is hungry she has even forgotten to pick out the onions once or twice and will now sometimes eat them. I assume that your child can get enough protein from the combo of Dairy with a grain type carb. Or even from nuts or natural PB. But I personally think he needs some veggies, esp the leafy green variety. Beans and corn are a good combo too. So if they don't do beans and rices.. or beans and whole grain pasta etc.. then maybe they will do corn and beans? Just keep trying and hang in there Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of Kara Keeter Monday, July 23, 2007 1:02 AM Re: organic foods * So, can the one actually thrive on carbs, dairy, fruit and PB? He's the bigger one, so I'm not too worried but I would like him to have a balanced diet. The smaller one eats a lot more and a larger variety. Can they get enough protein from dairy, PB every day or two, and anything I can sneak into various-grain sourdough bread? While searching for Ethiopian recipes I read that teff (sp?) has the highest protein content of any grain, and that's what's used to make injera, the Ethiopian sourdough flatbread. I've made it several times now (with buckwheat, couldn't find teff), I love it, the guys tolerate it. But I could try making it with teff, if you think it would help or is necessary. Y'all all seem to have kids who love all sorts of wonderful stuff. *sigh* They used to eat most of the things you mention, but they've stopped in the past year or so. Sorry for going on and on, I'm just frustrated. I used to hear about a theory that since humans evolved eating fruits like the apes, that a mostly fruit diet is the best. I guess my kids are testing that theory. I just remembered that for their birthday we had a party-sized Stouffer's frozen vegetarian lasagna, and they loved that. They hated my attempt at a homemade one, so maybe I should buy another frozen one. Hmmm... could it be that I'm just a bad cook??? *gasp*! No, there's no way even a bad cook could ruin raw veggies and dip. 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Kara, Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are fruitarians for a while. As one cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy and they are still growing it's probably ok. My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, well he will eat a plain lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats small amounts of broccoli and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed potatoes, corn, and peas, if forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns it. He is very picky about fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit n'veggie " juices and he eats their snack bars too (they include two servings of veggies per bar). There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a few different ones. I am not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, and they like sunflower seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch from PB. My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie Infusion by Vega every morning. It is a full meal supplement, with protein, greens, veggies, and fruit. I process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, a banana, flax seeds and vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing brains, and one decent meal of veggies per day. So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition into them but it is a struggle and like you I envy the moms with the good eaters. Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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