Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Sorry for the long post below - it is a rsponse to the recent posts about organic dairy and soy. I am a nutrition grad student and I'm passionate about this topic It is true that soy does contain phytoestrogens, but there is conflicting data about what is too much and too little. Our son consumes soy on a regular basis but I monitor it because he would eat a pound of tofu at each meal if left to his own devices. He is the soy boy. I am mindful that he might get too much sometimes, not because I fear soy phytoestrogens all that much, but mostly because: 1. it displaces the amount of fruits and vegetables that he should be getting and 2. too much protein is not necessary and just overworks the kidneys. If you are concerned about a small amount of phytoestrogens in soy then you should also be concerned about the 50 plus different hormones that are in cow's milk, whether it is organic or not. There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is advertised as such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically engineered bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. The hormone drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her milk. The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to make even more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be given even more antibiotics to keep it at bay. Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant grow, whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very fast to a very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of months and it is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that are in their mother's milk. Human milk is very different and our babies only double their birth weight at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I and it is identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in humans. This hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. There is a significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast and prostate cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to hormone levels. It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so cheese has even more of everything, with most of the water taken out. If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other diseases that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and earlier onset of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the steep increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son could be exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our family were forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would distress me to eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would encourage my husband and son to do the same. Peace and Good Health, Danita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Wow.. Thanks.. I never considered the " hormonal delivery " even coming from a cow even under the best of conditions. Seems so obvious now with the way you explained it.. I knew about the earlier onset of Menstruation in girls, but mistakenly assumed or believed it was cause of the genetically engineered bovine growth hormone - never put the two together.. but it makes sense. I had heard a phrase about " baby cows don't drink human baby milk so why feed human babies cow milk? " Wish they had continued to elaborate. We aren't big milk drinkers ( my husband is.. and ironically he has had a problem with his prostrate his whole life! ) . But never considered cheese.. ( slapping self on head) One of my daughters has an " allergy " to some protein in Cows milk. Has had since she started off the breast. In fact cow milk was the only thing she had not really had so we pinpointed it very quickly. She ate tons of stuff, but all fluid save water was from the breast. But it took forever to get a doc to listen to me. They just wanted to proscribe some miralax right off the bat. I would not go for that. Seemed she could eat cheese and processed milk.. but one glass of plain milk would have her with blood in her stool 24 hrs later. So That was the beginning of our education on milk. So we started looking into it ourselves. Thanks for all this information. Thanks, Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of danitamark Monday, July 23, 2007 11:23 AM soy and dairy There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is advertised as such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically engineered bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. The hormone drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her milk. The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to make even more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be given even more antibiotics to keep it at bay. Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant grow, whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very fast to a very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of months and it is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that are in their mother's milk. Human milk is very different and our babies only double their birth weight at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I and it is identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in humans. This hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. There is a significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast and prostate cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to hormone levels. It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so cheese has even more of everything, with most of the water taken out. If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other diseases that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and earlier onset of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the steep increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son could be exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our family were forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would distress me to eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would encourage my husband and son to do the same. Peace and Good Health, Danita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Interesting info. I'd like to read more, do you have specific links to this stuff. I'm quite interested, as our son reacts to anything that is made from cowmilk - that I've heard conflicting things about (like calcium stearoyl lactylate which I've heard should be avoided by folks with milk allergies and I've also heard that it was fine and didn't contain the proteins from the milk. I do know that my son reacts to it, when we notice he's having a reaction, we re-check and find this culprit (usually) that somehow slipped by our vigilant eyes. I'm not concerned with the soy, as he gets plenty of other things, but we get a variety of foods not based on soy (Yay lentils and seitan and beans). We do tend to go with soymilk overall. If we had to choose between dairy and meat, unfortunately we'd also do the same (never was a big fan of it before being vegan, nor an egg fan). So, I just wanted to know where I could read more about these things as it's very interesting to me, considering my son's allergy. Thanks for the info! missie On 7/23/07, danitamark <danitamark wrote: > > Sorry for the long post below - it is a rsponse to the recent posts > about organic dairy and soy. I am a nutrition grad student and I'm > passionate about this topic > > It is true that soy does contain phytoestrogens, but there is conflicting > data about what is too much and too little. Our son consumes soy on a > regular basis but I monitor it because he would eat a pound of tofu at each > meal if left to his own devices. He is the soy boy. > > I am mindful that he might get too much sometimes, not because I fear soy > phytoestrogens all that much, but mostly because: 1. it displaces the amount > of fruits and vegetables that he should be getting and 2. too much protein > is not necessary and just overworks the kidneys. > > If you are concerned about a small amount of phytoestrogens in soy then > you should also be concerned about the 50 plus different hormones that are > in cow's milk, whether it is organic or not. > > There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is advertised as > such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically engineered > bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. The hormone > drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her milk. > > The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to make even > more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be given even more > antibiotics to keep it at bay. > > Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant grow, > whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very fast to a > very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of months and it > is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that are in their > mother's milk. > > Human milk is very different and our babies only double their birth weight > at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I and it is > identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in humans. This > hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. There is a > significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast and prostate > cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to hormone levels. > > It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so cheese has even > more of everything, with most of the water taken out. > > If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other diseases > that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and earlier onset > of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the steep > increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. > > As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son could be > exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our family were > forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would distress me to > eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would encourage my > husband and son to do the same. > > Peace and Good Health, > Danita > > -- http://mszzzi.zoomshare.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/mszzzi/ ~~~~~(m-.-)m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Has your husband tried saw palmetto? RnScarlson <scarlson1 wrote: Wow.. Thanks.. I never considered the " hormonal delivery " even coming from a cow even under the best of conditions. Seems so obvious now with the way you explained it.. I knew about the earlier onset of Menstruation in girls, but mistakenly assumed or believed it was cause of the genetically engineered bovine growth hormone - never put the two together.. but it makes sense. I had heard a phrase about " baby cows don't drink human baby milk so why feed human babies cow milk? " Wish they had continued to elaborate. We aren't big milk drinkers ( my husband is.. and ironically he has had a problem with his prostrate his whole life! ) . But never considered cheese.. ( slapping self on head) One of my daughters has an " allergy " to some protein in Cows milk. Has had since she started off the breast. In fact cow milk was the only thing she had not really had so we pinpointed it very quickly. She ate tons of stuff, but all fluid save water was from the breast. But it took forever to get a doc to listen to me. They just wanted to proscribe some miralax right off the bat. I would not go for that. Seemed she could eat cheese and processed milk.. but one glass of plain milk would have her with blood in her stool 24 hrs later. So That was the beginning of our education on milk. So we started looking into it ourselves. Thanks for all this information. Thanks, Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of danitamark Monday, July 23, 2007 11:23 AM soy and dairy There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is advertised as such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically engineered bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. The hormone drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her milk. The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to make even more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be given even more antibiotics to keep it at bay. Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant grow, whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very fast to a very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of months and it is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that are in their mother's milk. Human milk is very different and our babies only double their birth weight at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I and it is identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in humans. This hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. There is a significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast and prostate cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to hormone levels. It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so cheese has even more of everything, with most of the water taken out. If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other diseases that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and earlier onset of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the steep increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son could be exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our family were forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would distress me to eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would encourage my husband and son to do the same. Peace and Good Health, Danita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 visit www.notmilk.com , " Missie Ward " <mszzzi wrote: > > Interesting info. > I'd like to read more, do you have specific links to this stuff. I'm quite > interested, as our son reacts to anything that is made from cowmilk - that > I've heard conflicting things about (like calcium stearoyl lactylate which > I've heard should be avoided by folks with milk allergies and I've also > heard that it was fine and didn't contain the proteins from the milk. I do > know that my son reacts to it, when we notice he's having a reaction, we > re-check and find this culprit (usually) that somehow slipped by our > vigilant eyes. > > I'm not concerned with the soy, as he gets plenty of other things, but we > get a variety of foods not based on soy (Yay lentils and seitan and beans). > We do tend to go with soymilk overall. > > If we had to choose between dairy and meat, unfortunately we'd also do the > same (never was a big fan of it before being vegan, nor an egg fan). > > So, I just wanted to know where I could read more about these things as it's > very interesting to me, considering my son's allergy. > > Thanks for the info! > missie > > On 7/23/07, danitamark <danitamark wrote: > > > > Sorry for the long post below - it is a rsponse to the recent posts > > about organic dairy and soy. I am a nutrition grad student and I'm > > passionate about this topic > > > > It is true that soy does contain phytoestrogens, but there is conflicting > > data about what is too much and too little. Our son consumes soy on a > > regular basis but I monitor it because he would eat a pound of tofu at each > > meal if left to his own devices. He is the soy boy. > > > > I am mindful that he might get too much sometimes, not because I fear soy > > phytoestrogens all that much, but mostly because: 1. it displaces the amount > > of fruits and vegetables that he should be getting and 2. too much protein > > is not necessary and just overworks the kidneys. > > > > If you are concerned about a small amount of phytoestrogens in soy then > > you should also be concerned about the 50 plus different hormones that are > > in cow's milk, whether it is organic or not. > > > > There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is advertised as > > such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically engineered > > bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. The hormone > > drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her milk. > > > > The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to make even > > more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be given even more > > antibiotics to keep it at bay. > > > > Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant grow, > > whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very fast to a > > very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of months and it > > is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that are in their > > mother's milk. > > > > Human milk is very different and our babies only double their birth weight > > at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I and it is > > identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in humans. This > > hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. There is a > > significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast and prostate > > cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to hormone levels. > > > > It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so cheese has even > > more of everything, with most of the water taken out. > > > > If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other diseases > > that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and earlier onset > > of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the steep > > increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. > > > > As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son could be > > exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our family were > > forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would distress me to > > eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would encourage my > > husband and son to do the same. > > > > Peace and Good Health, > > Danita > > > > > > > > -- > > http://mszzzi.zoomshare.com > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mszzzi/ > > ~~~~~(m-.-)m > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I had him on it for a while.. years ago.. but he is real fickle. He stopped taking it and refuses to even go back to the doc. They scoped him in his 20's said it was benign enlargement. But he is 37 now. He is willing to eat tomatoes though. Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of robin koloms Monday, July 23, 2007 6:52 PM RE: soy and dairy Has your husband tried saw palmetto? RnScarlson <scarlson1 (AT) cinci (DOT) <scarlson1%40cinci.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: Wow.. Thanks.. I never considered the " hormonal delivery " even coming from a cow even under the best of conditions. Seems so obvious now with the way you explained it.. I knew about the earlier onset of Menstruation in girls, but mistakenly assumed or believed it was cause of the genetically engineered bovine growth hormone - never put the two together.. but it makes sense. I had heard a phrase about " baby cows don't drink human baby milk so why feed human babies cow milk? " Wish they had continued to elaborate. We aren't big milk drinkers ( my husband is.. and ironically he has had a problem with his prostrate his whole life! ) . But never considered cheese.. ( slapping self on head) One of my daughters has an " allergy " to some protein in Cows milk. Has had since she started off the breast. In fact cow milk was the only thing she had not really had so we pinpointed it very quickly. She ate tons of stuff, but all fluid save water was from the breast. But it took forever to get a doc to listen to me. They just wanted to proscribe some miralax right off the bat. I would not go for that. Seemed she could eat cheese and processed milk.. but one glass of plain milk would have her with blood in her stool 24 hrs later. So That was the beginning of our education on milk. So we started looking into it ourselves. Thanks for all this information. Thanks, Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of danitamark@earthlin <danitamark%40earthlink.net> k.net Monday, July 23, 2007 11:23 AM @gro <%40> ups.com soy and dairy There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is advertised as such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically engineered bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. The hormone drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her milk. The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to make even more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be given even more antibiotics to keep it at bay. Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant grow, whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very fast to a very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of months and it is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that are in their mother's milk. Human milk is very different and our babies only double their birth weight at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I and it is identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in humans. This hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. There is a significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast and prostate cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to hormone levels. It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so cheese has even more of everything, with most of the water taken out. If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other diseases that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and earlier onset of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the steep increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son could be exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our family were forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would distress me to eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would encourage my husband and son to do the same. Peace and Good Health, Danita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I've been there before. I was hoping for something specifically linked as they have a ton of stuff to wade through... I never read much of their stuff because I don't like the layout of the pages and the popups. I meant a link to the cancer rates/ increased dairy and the early pubescence for girls in regard to cheese consumption. It's not that I need convincing, we've vegan, and haven't done dairy since we figured out the allergy when he was about 10mo's old. I just like to read up on things related to it. Hope this doesn't come out wrong...I appreciate the link, I was just hoping for somewhere else LOL. Missie On 7/23/07, lucky13vegan <lucky13vegan wrote: > > visit www.notmilk.com > > > <%40>, " Missie > Ward " <mszzzi wrote: > > > > Interesting info. > > I'd like to read more, do you have specific links to this stuff. > I'm quite > > interested, as our son reacts to anything that is made from > cowmilk - that > > I've heard conflicting things about (like calcium stearoyl > lactylate which > > I've heard should be avoided by folks with milk allergies and I've > also > > heard that it was fine and didn't contain the proteins from the > milk. I do > > know that my son reacts to it, when we notice he's having a > reaction, we > > re-check and find this culprit (usually) that somehow slipped by > our > > vigilant eyes. > > > > I'm not concerned with the soy, as he gets plenty of other things, > but we > > get a variety of foods not based on soy (Yay lentils and seitan > and beans). > > We do tend to go with soymilk overall. > > > > If we had to choose between dairy and meat, unfortunately we'd > also do the > > same (never was a big fan of it before being vegan, nor an egg > fan). > > > > So, I just wanted to know where I could read more about these > things as it's > > very interesting to me, considering my son's allergy. > > > > Thanks for the info! > > missie > > > > On 7/23/07, danitamark <danitamark wrote: > > > > > > Sorry for the long post below - it is a rsponse to the recent > posts > > > about organic dairy and soy. I am a nutrition grad student and > I'm > > > passionate about this topic > > > > > > It is true that soy does contain phytoestrogens, but there is > conflicting > > > data about what is too much and too little. Our son consumes soy > on a > > > regular basis but I monitor it because he would eat a pound of > tofu at each > > > meal if left to his own devices. He is the soy boy. > > > > > > I am mindful that he might get too much sometimes, not because I > fear soy > > > phytoestrogens all that much, but mostly because: 1. it > displaces the amount > > > of fruits and vegetables that he should be getting and 2. too > much protein > > > is not necessary and just overworks the kidneys. > > > > > > If you are concerned about a small amount of phytoestrogens in > soy then > > > you should also be concerned about the 50 plus different > hormones that are > > > in cow's milk, whether it is organic or not. > > > > > > There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is > advertised as > > > such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically > engineered > > > bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. > The hormone > > > drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her > milk. > > > > > > The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to > make even > > > more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be > given even more > > > antibiotics to keep it at bay. > > > > > > Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant > grow, > > > whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very > fast to a > > > very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of > months and it > > > is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that > are in their > > > mother's milk. > > > > > > Human milk is very different and our babies only double their > birth weight > > > at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I > and it is > > > identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in > humans. This > > > hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. > There is a > > > significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast > and prostate > > > cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to > hormone levels. > > > > > > It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so > cheese has even > > > more of everything, with most of the water taken out. > > > > > > If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other > diseases > > > that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and > earlier onset > > > of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the > steep > > > increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. > > > > > > As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son > could be > > > exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our > family were > > > forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would > distress me to > > > eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would > encourage my > > > husband and son to do the same. > > > > > > Peace and Good Health, > > > Danita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://mszzzi.zoomshare.com > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mszzzi/ > > > > ~~~~~(m-.-)m > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Wow, thanks so much for the great explanation! That makes sense. You guys keep reminding me of things that I should know but have forgotten - I should be drinking soy for *me* right now, at least! And what you have written has convinced me that it's better for my kids too. That is a lot of good information there, thanks. On Jul 23, 2007, at 7:42 PM, lucky13vegan wrote: > visit www.notmilk.com > > , " Missie Ward " <mszzzi wrote: > > > > Interesting info. > > I'd like to read more, do you have specific links to this stuff. > I'm quite > > interested, as our son reacts to anything that is made from > cowmilk - that > > I've heard conflicting things about (like calcium stearoyl > lactylate which > > I've heard should be avoided by folks with milk allergies and I've > also > > heard that it was fine and didn't contain the proteins from the > milk. I do > > know that my son reacts to it, when we notice he's having a > reaction, we > > re-check and find this culprit (usually) that somehow slipped by > our > > vigilant eyes. > > > > I'm not concerned with the soy, as he gets plenty of other things, > but we > > get a variety of foods not based on soy (Yay lentils and seitan > and beans). > > We do tend to go with soymilk overall. > > > > If we had to choose between dairy and meat, unfortunately we'd > also do the > > same (never was a big fan of it before being vegan, nor an egg > fan). > > > > So, I just wanted to know where I could read more about these > things as it's > > very interesting to me, considering my son's allergy. > > > > Thanks for the info! > > missie > > > > On 7/23/07, danitamark <danitamark wrote: > > > > > > Sorry for the long post below - it is a rsponse to the recent > posts > > > about organic dairy and soy. I am a nutrition grad student and > I'm > > > passionate about this topic > > > > > > It is true that soy does contain phytoestrogens, but there is > conflicting > > > data about what is too much and too little. Our son consumes soy > on a > > > regular basis but I monitor it because he would eat a pound of > tofu at each > > > meal if left to his own devices. He is the soy boy. > > > > > > I am mindful that he might get too much sometimes, not because I > fear soy > > > phytoestrogens all that much, but mostly because: 1. it > displaces the amount > > > of fruits and vegetables that he should be getting and 2. too > much protein > > > is not necessary and just overworks the kidneys. > > > > > > If you are concerned about a small amount of phytoestrogens in > soy then > > > you should also be concerned about the 50 plus different > hormones that are > > > in cow's milk, whether it is organic or not. > > > > > > There is no such thing as hormone free cow's milk. If it is > advertised as > > > such, it just means that they did not give the cow a genetically > engineered > > > bovine growth hormone to make her produce extra amounts of milk. > The hormone > > > drug may or may not have significant residual amounts in her > milk. > > > > > > The bigger risk with the rBGH is that by forcing her body to > make even > > > more milk she is more likely to have infections and will be > given even more > > > antibiotics to keep it at bay. > > > > > > Mother's milk is a hormone delivery system to help the infant > grow, > > > whether human, bovine, canine, feline etc. Baby calves grow very > fast to a > > > very large size, many times their birth weight, in a matter of > months and it > > > is because of the fat, protein and especially the hormones that > are in their > > > mother's milk. > > > > > > Human milk is very different and our babies only double their > birth weight > > > at most in that same time. Cow's milk contains the hormone IGF-I > and it is > > > identical to the IGF-I that is one of the growth factors in > humans. This > > > hormone is implicated in stimulating cancer cells to multiply. > There is a > > > significant amount of data linking dairy consumption to breast > and prostate > > > cancer- human reproductive organs that are very sensitive to > hormone levels. > > > > > > It takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, so > cheese has even > > > more of everything, with most of the water taken out. > > > > > > If you check into rising cancer rates, diabetes and some other > diseases > > > that are linked to dairy consumption and also the earlier and > earlier onset > > > of menstruation for girls, you will find that they parallel the > steep > > > increase in cheese consumption over that past few decades. > > > > > > As a result, I am way more concerned about any dairy that my son > could be > > > exposed to than the moderate amounts of soy that he eats. If our > family were > > > forced to choose between meat or cheese, as much as it would > distress me to > > > eat a dead animal, I would choose meat over cheese and I would > encourage my > > > husband and son to do the same. > > > > > > Peace and Good Health, > > > Danita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://mszzzi.zoomshare.com > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mszzzi/ > > > > ~~~~~(m-.-)m > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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