Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Your MIL really gave you the info out of context. Here is the link to the article: http://www.cspinet.org/nah/vlog/organicfood.html. I suggest that you follow the links and do your own research. The bottom line is that our government has abdicated its responsiblity to see that food standards are upheld. My favorite part of summer is going to the farmers markets and talking with the farm-families about their farming practices. Small family farms do not have the resources to become certified as " organic " , but many do practice organic techniques; an one farmer told me: I certainly don't want to breathe that stuff. Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I just got email from my MIL. A newsletter she s to is saying that it doesn't do any good to buy organic: > The recent issue the Nutrition Action newsletter has articles on > organic foods. Bottom line - they don;t think you really need to > buy them, as they have pesticide residues in them form the soil, > air, etc. Especially don't need to buy organic milk. I'm disappointed to hear there are still residues even in organic stuff, but I still would think it would be better than non-organic. And re. the milk, if I can't afford to buy anything else organic, I at least make sure to get organic milk! (No offense intended, for those who don't drink milk.) Anybody know anything about this? Speaking of milk, I have another question (pardon my ignorance): I've heard that too much soy is bad for boys, since it is similar in some ways to estrogen. For that reason I've been afraid to give my kids too much soy milk. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Our vegan son drinks soymilk, almond milk, and rice milk, but I'd be interested in other people's feedback. As I understand, less processed forms of soy (edamame, soy nuts, tofu) are healthier than heavily processed forms of soy. I'm sure others will have lots of great links & info on the topic. Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I just got email from my MIL. A newsletter she s to is saying that it doesn't do any good to buy organic: > The recent issue the Nutrition Action newsletter has articles on > organic foods. Bottom line - they don;t think you really need to > buy them, as they have pesticide residues in them form the soil, > air, etc. Especially don't need to buy organic milk. I'm disappointed to hear there are still residues even in organic stuff, but I still would think it would be better than non-organic. And re. the milk, if I can't afford to buy anything else organic, I at least make sure to get organic milk! (No offense intended, for those who don't drink milk.) Anybody know anything about this? Speaking of milk, I have another question (pardon my ignorance): I've heard that too much soy is bad for boys, since it is similar in some ways to estrogen. For that reason I've been afraid to give my kids too much soy milk. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I have heard that organic milk is fine and worth the money. From what I have read about organic fruits and veggies.. that information ran about the same as the newsletter. Esp in thick peeled like bananas and oranges. There its not as important. Organic Strawberries and other berries however are supposedly worth the money. As well as the Milk. IN my area the organic fruit and veggies often look sickly. I know some of it is cause its not preserved by waxes and junk.. but they are really past their prime. I can't afford organic stuff. I try to grow some stuff in my back yard. I do buy organic Milk but make sure there is certification on it. I have also heard that about soy milk. So I don't do soy anything. Tofu is a rarity. There are a few herbs that will affect boys. Usually in soaps.. lavender and tea tree oil, but the jury is still out on if it was those ingredients or something else. Almond milk, rice milk, and that sort of stuff is good though. I love the almond milk. steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of Kara Keeter Friday, July 20, 2007 1:38 PM organic foods I just got email from my MIL. A newsletter she s to is saying that it doesn't do any good to buy organic: > The recent issue the Nutrition Action newsletter has articles on > organic foods. Bottom line - they don;t think you really need to > buy them, as they have pesticide residues in them form the soil, > air, etc. Especially don't need to buy organic milk. I'm disappointed to hear there are still residues even in organic stuff, but I still would think it would be better than non-organic. And re. the milk, if I can't afford to buy anything else organic, I at least make sure to get organic milk! (No offense intended, for those who don't drink milk.) Anybody know anything about this? Speaking of milk, I have another question (pardon my ignorance): I've heard that too much soy is bad for boys, since it is similar in some ways to estrogen. For that reason I've been afraid to give my kids too much soy milk. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus today we have to watch for GMO foods. The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I too have read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that soy is not a healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet daily. Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts Be Well, Lynda _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Miso has a great track record for a healthy food. I suggest people not worry too much about soy. It is just another food...not a wonder food and not a poison. Instead of eating something sparingly, I would concentrate on whole foods and wide variety. Linda --- Namaska7 wrote: > I think your right Organic is a cut above non > organic food. Plus today we > have to watch for GMO foods. > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy > choices. Yes, I too have > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know > for sure that soy is not a > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods > to your diet daily. > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > Be Well, > Lynda > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos./carfinder/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 One thing to keep in mind with all the anti-soy hype (in addition to the fact that it is largely fueled by the dairy and other industries, as opposed to doctors or nutritionists) is that anyone eating the Standard American Diet is eating significantly more soy that the average vegetarian. Soy is the number 2 ingredient in cow feed after corn (they're naturally grass eaters) and both corn & soy are heavily featured in prepared foods. It's not just tofu you're looking for on a label: it's things like soy oil and various isolates. A vegetarian preparing meals mostly from scratch will have only the soy they consciously put in. Also, anyone who tells you that Asians don't eat as much soy as we Americans think, is wrong. That's the counter-argument when a vegetarian points out the better health in countries where tofu, etc. originated from. They try to say that the average intake of soy in China, Japan, etc. is something like one ounce a day. It's simply not true. There are soy products in much of the food. Even omnivores are eating a lot of it on a regular basis. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 I like organic dairy to avoid the massive amounts of antibiotics in non-dairy. But I also thought the organic milk might practice more ethical treatment of the cows. Does anyone know if this is true? On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Namaska7 wrote: > I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus > today we > have to watch for GMO foods. > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I > too have > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that > soy is not a > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet > daily. > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > Be Well, > Lynda > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 It depends on the dairy. Horizon is factory farmed; Organic Valley is a coop of mostly family farms. You need to research the products that you purchase. For example, people think that clothing labeled as made in America is not made by slave labor when in fact much of this clothing is made by slave labor in the Mariana Islands. Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I like organic dairy to avoid the massive amounts of antibiotics in non-dairy. But I also thought the organic milk might practice more ethical treatment of the cows. Does anyone know if this is true? On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Namaska7 wrote: > I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus > today we > have to watch for GMO foods. > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I > too have > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that > soy is not a > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet > daily. > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > Be Well, > Lynda > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Oh, I didn't know all that! Thanks for taking the time to tell me these things. I really appreciate you guys tolerating my uninformed questions. I've told the kids that I'm really proud of their standing by their decision to not eat meat, and that I will start joining them in some vegetarian meals, but that they must be willing to eat some rice and beans and other healthy vegetarian meals, not just PB and honey. Tonight we are going to try shish kabobs on the grill, with tofu chucks, pineapple... one kid will probably like tomatoes, but I don't know if either would like the zucchini, mushrooms, etc. suggested in the recipe. Does anyone have any other ideas what might go on shish kabobs for kids? (They are asking for waffles!!!) I also found a recipe for a peanut dipping sauce made with PB and honey with a bit of OJ and lemon juice. Since they like hummus, and they like PB, I thought they might like this. Giving them the usual dipping sauce (honey mustard, ranch, etc) no longer works to get them to eat veggies. I was going to put it in a Little Dipper crock pot too, for the novelty. Oh... and the recipe says the tofu should be pre-cooked. Does that mean I should cook it in a skillet or something, before the kids put it on the stick? -Kara On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:38 PM, ERB wrote: > One thing to keep in mind with all the anti-soy hype (in addition > to the fact that it is largely fueled by the dairy and other > industries, as opposed to doctors or nutritionists) is that anyone > eating the Standard American Diet is eating significantly more soy > that the average vegetarian. Soy is the number 2 ingredient in cow > feed after corn (they're naturally grass eaters) and both corn & > soy are heavily featured in prepared foods. It's not just tofu > you're looking for on a label: it's things like soy oil and various > isolates. A vegetarian preparing meals mostly from scratch will > have only the soy they consciously put in. > > Also, anyone who tells you that Asians don't eat as much soy as we > Americans think, is wrong. That's the counter-argument when a > vegetarian points out the better health in countries where tofu, > etc. originated from. They try to say that the average intake of > soy in China, Japan, etc. is something like one ounce a day. It's > simply not true. There are soy products in much of the food. Even > omnivores are eating a lot of it on a regular basis. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 sweet onions on the grill are so delish! Kids also like corn and sweet potatoes. My daughter is a broccoli fanatic. Take the kids to a farmers market or the grocery store and let them each pick a veggie. Go to the library and get a good kids cookbook (I love the Moosewood) and let them pick recipes. When the kids participate in the choices a preparation of the food, they are much more likely to eat it. Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: Oh, I didn't know all that! Thanks for taking the time to tell me these things. I really appreciate you guys tolerating my uninformed questions. I've told the kids that I'm really proud of their standing by their decision to not eat meat, and that I will start joining them in some vegetarian meals, but that they must be willing to eat some rice and beans and other healthy vegetarian meals, not just PB and honey. Tonight we are going to try shish kabobs on the grill, with tofu chucks, pineapple... one kid will probably like tomatoes, but I don't know if either would like the zucchini, mushrooms, etc. suggested in the recipe. Does anyone have any other ideas what might go on shish kabobs for kids? (They are asking for waffles!!!) I also found a recipe for a peanut dipping sauce made with PB and honey with a bit of OJ and lemon juice. Since they like hummus, and they like PB, I thought they might like this. Giving them the usual dipping sauce (honey mustard, ranch, etc) no longer works to get them to eat veggies. I was going to put it in a Little Dipper crock pot too, for the novelty. Oh... and the recipe says the tofu should be pre-cooked. Does that mean I should cook it in a skillet or something, before the kids put it on the stick? -Kara On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:38 PM, ERB wrote: > One thing to keep in mind with all the anti-soy hype (in addition > to the fact that it is largely fueled by the dairy and other > industries, as opposed to doctors or nutritionists) is that anyone > eating the Standard American Diet is eating significantly more soy > that the average vegetarian. Soy is the number 2 ingredient in cow > feed after corn (they're naturally grass eaters) and both corn & > soy are heavily featured in prepared foods. It's not just tofu > you're looking for on a label: it's things like soy oil and various > isolates. A vegetarian preparing meals mostly from scratch will > have only the soy they consciously put in. > > Also, anyone who tells you that Asians don't eat as much soy as we > Americans think, is wrong. That's the counter-argument when a > vegetarian points out the better health in countries where tofu, > etc. originated from. They try to say that the average intake of > soy in China, Japan, etc. is something like one ounce a day. It's > simply not true. There are soy products in much of the food. Even > omnivores are eating a lot of it on a regular basis. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 *sigh* Yes everything you mention sounds good to *me* but it's not my diet I'm worried about. We go to the farmer's market almost every weekend in the summer. We went this morning. We were late, a lot of stuff was gone but we got tomatoes, bell peppers, nectarines, and blueberries. The kids always love the blueberries. They are wild - if you've never had the little wild ones from Ontario, or Saskatoon berries, you don't know what you're missing. We get as many as we can, while they are in season. Blueberries are very healthy. But it isn't fruit that I'm worried about. I know that kids are more interested in eating food they help choose and prepare. Someone needs to tell my kids. We do a reasonable amount of that - one of the few successes is letting them make their own personal-size sourdough pizzas. That's why I thought the kabobs would work, it's something they could do. They hated them, even the one who usually eats a reasonable amount had to be coaxed to eat a couple bites. (Although he ate an entire ear of corn himself. ) Sweet potatoes we have worn out - they no longer like them. I know they are wonderful, full of all sorts of good stuff, they loved them when they were 3 and 4. Only one likes tomatoes, and he's about done with that also. They don't like onions. Last year they loved the farmer's market peas, we sat on the deck and shelled them and ate them raw when they were in season. This year one of them ate a handful, once. So, can the one actually thrive on carbs, dairy, fruit and PB? He's the bigger one, so I'm not too worried but I would like him to have a balanced diet. The smaller one eats a lot more and a larger variety. Can they get enough protein from dairy, PB every day or two, and anything I can sneak into various-grain sourdough bread? While searching for Ethiopian recipes I read that teff (sp?) has the highest protein content of any grain, and that's what's used to make injera, the Ethiopian sourdough flatbread. I've made it several times now (with buckwheat, couldn't find teff), I love it, the guys tolerate it. But I could try making it with teff, if you think it would help or is necessary. Y'all all seem to have kids who love all sorts of wonderful stuff. *sigh* They used to eat most of the things you mention, but they've stopped in the past year or so. Sorry for going on and on, I'm just frustrated. I used to hear about a theory that since humans evolved eating fruits like the apes, that a mostly fruit diet is the best. I guess my kids are testing that theory. I just remembered that for their birthday we had a party-sized Stouffer's frozen vegetarian lasagna, and they loved that. They hated my attempt at a homemade one, so maybe I should buy another frozen one. Hmmm... could it be that I'm just a bad cook??? *gasp*! No, there's no way even a bad cook could ruin raw veggies and dip. LOL Thanks for listening to my ranting and raving. :-) On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:55 PM, robin koloms wrote: > sweet onions on the grill are so delish! Kids also like corn and > sweet potatoes. My daughter is a broccoli fanatic. > > Take the kids to a farmers market or the grocery store and let them > each pick a veggie. Go to the library and get a good kids cookbook > (I love the Moosewood) and let them pick recipes. When the kids > participate in the choices a preparation of the food, they are much > more likely to eat it. > Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > Oh, I didn't know all that! Thanks for taking the time to tell me > these things. I really appreciate you guys tolerating my uninformed > questions. I've told the kids that I'm really proud of their > standing by their decision to not eat meat, and that I will start > joining them in some vegetarian meals, but that they must be willing > to eat some rice and beans and other healthy vegetarian meals, not > just PB and honey. > > Tonight we are going to try shish kabobs on the grill, with tofu > chucks, pineapple... one kid will probably like tomatoes, but I don't > know if either would like the zucchini, mushrooms, etc. suggested in > the recipe. Does anyone have any other ideas what might go on shish > kabobs for kids? (They are asking for waffles!!!) I also found a > recipe for a peanut dipping sauce made with PB and honey with a bit > of OJ and lemon juice. Since they like hummus, and they like PB, I > thought they might like this. Giving them the usual dipping sauce > (honey mustard, ranch, etc) no longer works to get them to eat > veggies. I was going to put it in a Little Dipper crock pot too, > for the novelty. > > Oh... and the recipe says the tofu should be pre-cooked. Does that > mean I should cook it in a skillet or something, before the kids put > it on the stick? > > -Kara > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:38 PM, ERB wrote: > > > One thing to keep in mind with all the anti-soy hype (in addition > > to the fact that it is largely fueled by the dairy and other > > industries, as opposed to doctors or nutritionists) is that anyone > > eating the Standard American Diet is eating significantly more soy > > that the average vegetarian. Soy is the number 2 ingredient in cow > > feed after corn (they're naturally grass eaters) and both corn & > > soy are heavily featured in prepared foods. It's not just tofu > > you're looking for on a label: it's things like soy oil and various > > isolates. A vegetarian preparing meals mostly from scratch will > > have only the soy they consciously put in. > > > > Also, anyone who tells you that Asians don't eat as much soy as we > > Americans think, is wrong. That's the counter-argument when a > > vegetarian points out the better health in countries where tofu, > > etc. originated from. They try to say that the average intake of > > soy in China, Japan, etc. is something like one ounce a day. It's > > simply not true. There are soy products in much of the food. Even > > omnivores are eating a lot of it on a regular basis. > > > > Liz > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Thanks!! Both those are available to us, I forget which one we usually get but we will certainly make sure it's Organic Valley from now on! (Where we are for summers those brands aren't available; anyone know about brands in Ontario?) My sister was researching where things are manufactured. I couldn't believe it when she said businesses actually choose to ship materials halfway around the world to some third world country, and ship the finished goods all the way back. That's how much cheaper labor is over there. Sorry for more ranting. We watched " An Inconvenient Truth " tonight, and I'm just feeling sad about the state of things. We simply have got to get more people to buy more locally and eat lower on the food chain. You guys are doing so much good... but so many others aren't. On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:29 PM, robin koloms wrote: > It depends on the dairy. Horizon is factory farmed; Organic Valley > is a coop of mostly family farms. You need to research the products > that you purchase. For example, people think that clothing labeled > as made in America is not made by slave labor when in fact much of > this clothing is made by slave labor in the Mariana Islands. > > Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I like organic dairy > to avoid the massive amounts of antibiotics in > non-dairy. But I also thought the organic milk might practice more > ethical treatment of the cows. Does anyone know if this is true? > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Namaska7 wrote: > > > I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus > > today we > > have to watch for GMO foods. > > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I > > too have > > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that > > soy is not a > > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet > > daily. > > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > > Be Well, > > Lynda > > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > > new AOL at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Ok I have to put my two cents in on this one ;-) Organic is deffently better than non-organic. I know that the criteria in different countries are differen to what they call organic. But they are still better than the fertilice and pestecide filed stuff. First of all it would be a good idear to support, so we get more of it. Second of all it is better for the enviroment. and thirdly it is better for the kids health. Studies has shown that organic vegies and fruit contains more vitamines, minerals and phytonutriens. Nursing mothers who drink organic milk compared to the ones who dring non-organic milk has a much higher content of omega-3 in their brestmilk. Rats feed organic foods compared to ones who ate " normal " food were more heathy and had a stronger immunesystem. Studies also show that kids feed " normal " foods compared to kids eating organic foods had a lot of pestecides in their body. The organic kids dident. And I can go on and on. I trust the organic foods here in my country because we have really strict rules about it. I know in the US some of the so called organic foods are not so organic after all. But if you try to buy the ones that are certified (Krav, Skal, the soil ass. a.s.o.) you can be sure it is what it is surpose to be. Also if you know the local farmer where you buy your organic vegies from, ask him/her how they grow it. A lot of local farmers dont use pestecides or fertilicers but still dont call themself organic, but they are ;-) The farmers organisations are trying to get people to stop eating organic, they even try to promote how healthy it is to eat meat. They just want to sell their stuff. Dont buy into this, use you own judgement. Studies show that a plant based diet is the most healthy for humans, but the farmes will tell you the opposite. In my country most matrial for new moms is sponsored be the diary industry and the meat industry. Do you think we get objectiv information ? How can a carrot grown in mineral depledet soil filed with arteficial fertilisers and sprayed with pestecides be more healthy that a biodynamic carrot grown in a mineral rich soil without pestecide ? Check out the internet for information. If not for any other reasons than to support the efford of the people who try to make organic the future. Kristine , Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > > Thanks!! Both those are available to us, I forget which one we > usually get but we will certainly make sure it's Organic Valley from > now on! (Where we are for summers those brands aren't available; > anyone know about brands in Ontario?) > > My sister was researching where things are manufactured. I couldn't > believe it when she said businesses actually choose to ship materials > halfway around the world to some third world country, and ship the > finished goods all the way back. That's how much cheaper labor is > over there. > > Sorry for more ranting. We watched " An Inconvenient Truth " tonight, > and I'm just feeling sad about the state of things. We simply have > got to get more people to buy more locally and eat lower on the food > chain. You guys are doing so much good... but so many others > aren't. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Kara, We all do what we can and every little bit helps. Try to get everyone you know to watch An Inconvenient Truth. Give gifts of compact fluorescents, water filters and CSA shares. Robin Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: Thanks!! Both those are available to us, I forget which one we usually get but we will certainly make sure it's Organic Valley from now on! (Where we are for summers those brands aren't available; anyone know about brands in Ontario?) My sister was researching where things are manufactured. I couldn't believe it when she said businesses actually choose to ship materials halfway around the world to some third world country, and ship the finished goods all the way back. That's how much cheaper labor is over there. Sorry for more ranting. We watched " An Inconvenient Truth " tonight, and I'm just feeling sad about the state of things. We simply have got to get more people to buy more locally and eat lower on the food chain. You guys are doing so much good... but so many others aren't. On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:29 PM, robin koloms wrote: > It depends on the dairy. Horizon is factory farmed; Organic Valley > is a coop of mostly family farms. You need to research the products > that you purchase. For example, people think that clothing labeled > as made in America is not made by slave labor when in fact much of > this clothing is made by slave labor in the Mariana Islands. > > Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: I like organic dairy > to avoid the massive amounts of antibiotics in > non-dairy. But I also thought the organic milk might practice more > ethical treatment of the cows. Does anyone know if this is true? > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Namaska7 wrote: > > > I think your right Organic is a cut above non organic food. Plus > > today we > > have to watch for GMO foods. > > The powers that be, seem to have a war on healthy choices. Yes, I > > too have > > read that soy must be eaten sparingly . We all know for sure that > > soy is not a > > healing food. The trick is to add more Living Foods to your diet > > daily. > > Fruits, Vegetables , Seeds & Nuts > > Be Well, > > Lynda > > _www.aliveandraw.com_ (http://www.aliveandraw.com) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > > new AOL at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Kara, How old are your kids? Do they get enough exercise ? or general outside kid stuff? Do they snack in between meals? One thing I do when they go through this phase ( and all of them have at some point ) is that I refuse to be their short order cook. And I don't let snacking happen if they don't eat. I don't let them make a sandwich on their own either. Our food budget is tight as we are trying to pay off some debts from our past. So.. they get good meals and good snacks, but I don't have a pantry that they can rummage through. ** there is the occasion where some ones tooth is lose, or some strange thing like that where the rules on the short order thing is relaxed.. but if the reason is the typical Whine with dinner. " I don't liiike it. " then tough noogies. I have one that won't eat onions at all. So she must pick them out on her own. Now I would not be so strict with the snacks in that case.. but I am not going to sit and pick the onions out or conform the meal for seven to suit the one. I have found that when she comes in from playing she is hungry she has even forgotten to pick out the onions once or twice and will now sometimes eat them. I assume that your child can get enough protein from the combo of Dairy with a grain type carb. Or even from nuts or natural PB. But I personally think he needs some veggies, esp the leafy green variety. Beans and corn are a good combo too. So if they don't do beans and rices.. or beans and whole grain pasta etc.. then maybe they will do corn and beans? Just keep trying and hang in there Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of Kara Keeter Monday, July 23, 2007 1:02 AM Re: organic foods * So, can the one actually thrive on carbs, dairy, fruit and PB? He's the bigger one, so I'm not too worried but I would like him to have a balanced diet. The smaller one eats a lot more and a larger variety. Can they get enough protein from dairy, PB every day or two, and anything I can sneak into various-grain sourdough bread? While searching for Ethiopian recipes I read that teff (sp?) has the highest protein content of any grain, and that's what's used to make injera, the Ethiopian sourdough flatbread. I've made it several times now (with buckwheat, couldn't find teff), I love it, the guys tolerate it. But I could try making it with teff, if you think it would help or is necessary. Y'all all seem to have kids who love all sorts of wonderful stuff. *sigh* They used to eat most of the things you mention, but they've stopped in the past year or so. Sorry for going on and on, I'm just frustrated. I used to hear about a theory that since humans evolved eating fruits like the apes, that a mostly fruit diet is the best. I guess my kids are testing that theory. I just remembered that for their birthday we had a party-sized Stouffer's frozen vegetarian lasagna, and they loved that. They hated my attempt at a homemade one, so maybe I should buy another frozen one. Hmmm... could it be that I'm just a bad cook??? *gasp*! No, there's no way even a bad cook could ruin raw veggies and dip. 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Kara, Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are fruitarians for a while. As one cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy and they are still growing it's probably ok. My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, well he will eat a plain lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats small amounts of broccoli and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed potatoes, corn, and peas, if forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns it. He is very picky about fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit n'veggie " juices and he eats their snack bars too (they include two servings of veggies per bar). There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a few different ones. I am not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, and they like sunflower seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch from PB. My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie Infusion by Vega every morning. It is a full meal supplement, with protein, greens, veggies, and fruit. I process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, a banana, flax seeds and vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing brains, and one decent meal of veggies per day. So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition into them but it is a struggle and like you I envy the moms with the good eaters. Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Kara Human breast milk has only about 5% of its calories as protein. Your young ones are growing fast but not as fast as a newborn - so just keep exposing them to a variety of fruits, vegs, whole grains and legumes. Just being in the same room, then at the same table, then on their plate, then maybe a tiny taste, then maybe a real bite etc - each of these is " trying it " and it often takes a large number of these exposures to get to the point of actually liking a new " scary " food. It sounds like your children get plenty of protein. As long as they're eating a variety of healthful foods, eating whole grains, plus the dairy (inspite of my misgivings of what negatives you get along with the dairy protein) they should be fine in that category. Just to be sure, keep a food diary for a few days and add up the grams of protein from all sources- even the relatively small amounts in fruits and veggies. I think you'll be surprised just how much protein they get. Some health food stores and coops have RD's (Registered Dietitans) on staff that you could check with. If you end up seeing a professional just keep in mind, anybody can call themselves a nutritionist but an RD has met certain education/training requirements. Mark Rifkin, MS, RD has a msg board on vegsource.com which is for people interested in nutrition careers - so it's not appropriate to ask him personal dietary questions in that forum. However, occasionally vegsource has a " call-in with questions " window of time and I think you can make appointments with him. Check the vegsource website for the next one. For our family I find the easiest way to get leafy greens in a child's diet (and his parents!) is to keep some fresh collard greens in the fridge (they keep quite awhile) and some frozen blueberries and strawberries in the freezer. I make a smoothie with orange juice 1 banana frozen strawberries & blueberries or just blueberries 1 - 3 fresh collard leaves, with the main rib torn off If you use enough blueberries the dark purple hides any green tint from the collard leaves. The red from the strawberries alone will mix with the green to give a brown color that is not as appealing to kids so be sure to use some blueberries. At first I didn't let my son see me make this collard smoothie- he would still be asleep and we would have them for breakfast. Now he doesn't care if he sees big strange green leaves going into the blender. Peace and Good Health, Danita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Thanks Christine, and everyone else who replied. I hadn't made the connection that I could try other nut butters - you mean like on a sandwich or crackers, right? Instead of peanut butter? That sounds good. The Smoothie Infusion sounds awesome! Is that something you buy, and then you are adding all that other stuff to it? I'd love your recipe, for what actually works for you, which isn't always the same as the healthy recipe suggests. I have been adding flax seeds to bread, but I hadn't thought of sneaking it into other things; maybe oatmeal would work also? Pancakes? In addition to your smoothies. I'm getting great ideas here, you guys are awesome! -Kara On Jul 23, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Christine wrote: > Kara, > > Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are fruitarians for a while. > As one > cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy and they are still > growing it's probably ok. > > My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, well he will eat a > plain > lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats small amounts of > broccoli > and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. > > Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed potatoes, corn, and > peas, if > forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns it. He is very > picky about > fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit n'veggie " juices and > he eats > their snack bars too (they include two servings of veggies per bar). > > There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a few different ones. > I am > not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, and they like > sunflower > seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch from PB. > > My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie Infusion by Vega every > morning. > It is a full meal supplement, with protein, greens, veggies, and > fruit. I > process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, a banana, flax > seeds and > vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing brains, and one > decent > meal of veggies per day. > > So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition into them but it is a > struggle and like you I envy the moms with the good eaters. > > Christine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 For smoothies I throw in any combination of: frozen berries, frozen bananas, apple cider, soy milk, yoghurt, spinich, frozen peaches, Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: Thanks Christine, and everyone else who replied. I hadn't made the connection that I could try other nut butters - you mean like on a sandwich or crackers, right? Instead of peanut butter? That sounds good. The Smoothie Infusion sounds awesome! Is that something you buy, and then you are adding all that other stuff to it? I'd love your recipe, for what actually works for you, which isn't always the same as the healthy recipe suggests. I have been adding flax seeds to bread, but I hadn't thought of sneaking it into other things; maybe oatmeal would work also? Pancakes? In addition to your smoothies. I'm getting great ideas here, you guys are awesome! -Kara On Jul 23, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Christine wrote: > Kara, > > Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are fruitarians for a while. > As one > cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy and they are still > growing it's probably ok. > > My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, well he will eat a > plain > lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats small amounts of > broccoli > and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. > > Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed potatoes, corn, and > peas, if > forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns it. He is very > picky about > fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit n'veggie " juices and > he eats > their snack bars too (they include two servings of veggies per bar). > > There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a few different ones. > I am > not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, and they like > sunflower > seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch from PB. > > My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie Infusion by Vega every > morning. > It is a full meal supplement, with protein, greens, veggies, and > fruit. I > process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, a banana, flax > seeds and > vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing brains, and one > decent > meal of veggies per day. > > So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition into them but it is a > struggle and like you I envy the moms with the good eaters. > > Christine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 For smoothies I throw in any combination of: frozen berries, frozen bananas, apple cider, soy milk, yoghurt, spinich, frozen peaches, Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: Thanks Christine, and everyone else who replied. I hadn't made the connection that I could try other nut butters - you mean like on a sandwich or crackers, right? Instead of peanut butter? That sounds good. The Smoothie Infusion sounds awesome! Is that something you buy, and then you are adding all that other stuff to it? I'd love your recipe, for what actually works for you, which isn't always the same as the healthy recipe suggests. I have been adding flax seeds to bread, but I hadn't thought of sneaking it into other things; maybe oatmeal would work also? Pancakes? In addition to your smoothies. I'm getting great ideas here, you guys are awesome! -Kara On Jul 23, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Christine wrote: > Kara, > > Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are fruitarians for a while. > As one > cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy and they are still > growing it's probably ok. > > My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, well he will eat a > plain > lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats small amounts of > broccoli > and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. > > Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed potatoes, corn, and > peas, if > forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns it. He is very > picky about > fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit n'veggie " juices and > he eats > their snack bars too (they include two servings of veggies per bar). > > There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a few different ones. > I am > not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, and they like > sunflower > seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch from PB. > > My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie Infusion by Vega every > morning. > It is a full meal supplement, with protein, greens, veggies, and > fruit. I > process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, a banana, flax > seeds and > vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing brains, and one > decent > meal of veggies per day. > > So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition into them but it is a > struggle and like you I envy the moms with the good eaters. > > Christine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 My kids love flax seeds in their oatmeal (along with a little blackstrap molasses and fresh fruit), they add it to soy yogurt, cold cereal, etc. If we eat waffles or french toast, etc. we add flax seed oil to the syrup. We add flax seed oil to whole wheat pasta (don't heat it off course)...I can barely stomach pasta without flax seed oil now and take it to restaurants if we go out. Linda --- Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > Thanks Christine, and everyone else who replied. > > I hadn't made the connection that I could try other > nut butters - you > mean like on a sandwich or crackers, right? Instead > of peanut > butter? That sounds good. > > The Smoothie Infusion sounds awesome! Is that > something you buy, and > then you are adding all that other stuff to it? I'd > love your > recipe, for what actually works for you, which isn't > always the same > as the healthy recipe suggests. I have been adding > flax seeds to > bread, but I hadn't thought of sneaking it into > other things; maybe > oatmeal would work also? Pancakes? In addition to > your smoothies. > > I'm getting great ideas here, you guys are awesome! > > -Kara > > On Jul 23, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Christine wrote: > > > Kara, > > > > Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are > fruitarians for a while. > > As one > > cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy > and they are still > > growing it's probably ok. > > > > My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, > well he will eat a > > plain > > lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats > small amounts of > > broccoli > > and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. > > > > Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed > potatoes, corn, and > > peas, if > > forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns > it. He is very > > picky about > > fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit > n'veggie " juices and > > he eats > > their snack bars too (they include two servings of > veggies per bar). > > > > There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a > few different ones. > > I am > > not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, > and they like > > sunflower > > seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch > from PB. > > > > My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie > Infusion by Vega every > > morning. > > It is a full meal supplement, with protein, > greens, veggies, and > > fruit. I > > process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, > a banana, flax > > seeds and > > vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing > brains, and one > > decent > > meal of veggies per day. > > > > So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition > into them but it is a > > struggle and like you I envy the moms with the > good eaters. > > > > Christine > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Hi Steph, I have 5.5 year old twin boys. Twins are normally smaller but these guys are at least average size, maybe taller. One is addicted to tv and would watch it too much if we let him, but DH is good about finding other things to do and making them turn off the tv. They go to school/day care which includes at least two recesses a day, with some field trips involving more time outdoors. They were in soccer for the first time last spring. Interesting aside: The bad thing about soccer, ya know, is that there's only one ball in play at a time. And I of course have two little boys. But only one person can score a goal at a time. So inevitably one of them was going to score before the other (although I hadn't thought that through). As it turns out the bigger one (the one who doesn't eat) scored in the first 60 seconds or so of the first game of the season. The other one promptly assumed that he would *never* score. (They are really so cute playing soccer at that age! They just kinda go all over, even waaaay off the field chasing the ball, and the coaches have to bring them back onto the field.) We talked him into going back out there, and he scored the next goal of his team, just a couple minutes later. They are in swimming lessons this summer, and last summer, and we take them to the lake when we can (there's even a small one within walking distance). They just got " grown-up " bikes at the beginning of the summer (with regular breaks and gears instead of the ones where you break by pedaling backwards and with training wheels) and DH is taking them out to get better at that. They love climbing the 30-foot rock in the back yard even though I told them they can't climb higher than the deck. So I think they are fairly active, considering that they have parents who have time-consuming indoor jobs. I'd love it if we lived in the country and they roamed the woods all day long like I did as a kid, but that isn't our situation right now. Sorry if I went on and on - typical mom-bragging stuff! I didn't mean it to sound defensive, I'm just proud of how rough-and-tumble they are. I hear ya with the getting out of debt - we are doing that right now also. We don't have too many snacks - cheese and crackers, nuts, cookies, etc. On a daily basis usually it's cheese and crackers after school to hold them until dinner is ready. Then DH usually gives them some fruit and/or a cookie for dessert. (I'm not a big dessert fan, I'd just as soon keep eating the " real food " until I'm full.) I think anything with beans may be a lost cause. They used to love " ethnic " foods - Indian, mexican, Ethiopian, mediterranian , etc, which would include beans and rice together, perfect protein, right? Recently he's gotten a bit better with eating one or two broccoli pieces or carrots (their favorite, or least hated) because I'm telling them that if they want to be vegetarians they must eat vegetables! LOL Anyway, thanks for the encouragement. On Jul 23, 2007, at 3:31 PM, RnScarlson wrote: > Kara, > How old are your kids? > Do they get enough exercise ? or general outside kid stuff? Do they > snack in between meals? > > One thing I do when they go through this phase ( and all of them have > at some point ) is that I refuse to be their short order cook. And I > don't let snacking happen if they don't eat. I don't let them make a > sandwich on their own either. Our food budget is tight as we are > trying > to pay off some debts from our past. So.. they get good meals and good > snacks, but I don't have a pantry that they can rummage through. ** > there is the occasion where some ones tooth is lose, or some strange > thing like that where the rules on the short order thing is relaxed.. > but if the reason is the typical Whine with dinner. " I don't liiike > it. " then tough noogies. > > I have one that won't eat onions at all. So she must pick them out on > her own. Now I would not be so strict with the snacks in that > case.. but > I am not going to sit and pick the onions out or conform the meal for > seven to suit the one. I have found that when she comes in from > playing > she is hungry she has even forgotten to pick out the onions once or > twice and will now sometimes eat them. > > I assume that your child can get enough protein from the combo of > Dairy > with a grain type carb. Or even from nuts or natural PB. But I > personally think he needs some veggies, esp the leafy green variety. > Beans and corn are a good combo too. So if they don't do beans and > rices.. or beans and whole grain pasta etc.. then maybe they will do > corn and beans? > > Just keep trying and hang in there > Steph > > > " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means > doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, > the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " > C.S. Lewis > > > > On > Behalf Of Kara Keeter > Monday, July 23, 2007 1:02 AM > > Re: organic foods > > * So, can the one actually thrive on carbs, dairy, fruit and PB? > He's > the bigger one, so I'm not too worried but I would like him to have a > balanced diet. The smaller one eats a lot more and a larger variety. > > Can they get enough protein from dairy, PB every day or two, and > anything I can sneak into various-grain sourdough bread? > While searching for Ethiopian recipes I read that teff (sp?) has the > highest protein content of any grain, and that's what's used to make > injera, the Ethiopian sourdough flatbread. I've made it several > times now (with buckwheat, couldn't find teff), I love it, the guys > tolerate it. But I could try making it with teff, if you think it > would help or is necessary. > > Y'all all seem to have kids who love all sorts of wonderful stuff. > *sigh* They used to eat most of the things you mention, but they've > stopped in the past year or so. Sorry for going on and on, I'm just > frustrated. > > I used to hear about a theory that since humans evolved eating fruits > like the apes, that a mostly fruit diet is the best. I guess my kids > are testing that theory. > > I just remembered that for their birthday we had a party-sized > Stouffer's frozen vegetarian lasagna, and they loved that. They > hated my attempt at a homemade one, so maybe I should buy another > frozen one. > > Hmmm... could it be that I'm just a bad cook??? *gasp*! No, there's > no way even a bad cook could ruin raw veggies and dip. 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I've tried stuff like that a couple times, but whatever I'm doing it comes out so bad I wouldn't drink it and the kids wouldn't either. What proportions do you use? Do you have to add extra sugar? Anyway, I just read something that you might find interesting, and useful information to give others: from http://www.innvista.com/health/ailments/anemias/foodanem.htm > Pork: On videotape, Dr. Olympio Pinto has recorded changes > occurring in red blood cells caused by eating pork, smoking > cigarettes, drinking caffeine, exposure to other toxic chemicals > and heavy metals, or consuming any number of other potentially > health-destructive substances. Just one hour after eating pork, for > instance, more than half of the red blood cells began a > transformation called " ghosting " . Ghosts are red cells that have > lost their hemoglobin. Hemoglobin is not only an oxygen-carrier but > is also responsible for the red pigmentation of the blood. This > could explain the sleepy feeling some people get after eating > certain kinds of foods to which the body is particularly sensitive. On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:53 AM, robin koloms wrote: > For smoothies I throw in any combination of: frozen berries, frozen > bananas, apple cider, soy milk, yoghurt, spinich, frozen peaches, > > Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: Thanks Christine, and > everyone else who replied. > > I hadn't made the connection that I could try other nut butters - you > mean like on a sandwich or crackers, right? Instead of peanut > butter? That sounds good. > > The Smoothie Infusion sounds awesome! Is that something you buy, and > then you are adding all that other stuff to it? I'd love your > recipe, for what actually works for you, which isn't always the same > as the healthy recipe suggests. I have been adding flax seeds to > bread, but I hadn't thought of sneaking it into other things; maybe > oatmeal would work also? Pancakes? In addition to your smoothies. > > I'm getting great ideas here, you guys are awesome! > > -Kara > > On Jul 23, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Christine wrote: > > > Kara, > > > > Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are fruitarians for a while. > > As one > > cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy and they are > still > > growing it's probably ok. > > > > My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, well he will eat a > > plain > > lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats small amounts of > > broccoli > > and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. > > > > Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed potatoes, corn, and > > peas, if > > forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns it. He is very > > picky about > > fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit n'veggie " juices and > > he eats > > their snack bars too (they include two servings of veggies per bar). > > > > There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a few different ones. > > I am > > not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, and they like > > sunflower > > seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch from PB. > > > > My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie Infusion by Vega every > > morning. > > It is a full meal supplement, with protein, greens, veggies, and > > fruit. I > > process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, a banana, flax > > seeds and > > vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing brains, and one > > decent > > meal of veggies per day. > > > > So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition into them but it is a > > struggle and like you I envy the moms with the good eaters. > > > > Christine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I read that flax seeds don't do any good unless they are ground up - otherwise they just pass right through. So last time I ground them up before using. But, is chewing enough? Do you just add them whole? On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Linda Evans wrote: > My kids love flax seeds in their oatmeal (along with a > little blackstrap molasses and fresh fruit), they add > it to soy yogurt, cold cereal, etc. If we eat waffles > or french toast, etc. we add flax seed oil to the > syrup. We add flax seed oil to whole wheat pasta > (don't heat it off course)...I can barely stomach > pasta without flax seed oil now and take it to > restaurants if we go out. > > Linda > --- Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > > > Thanks Christine, and everyone else who replied. > > > > I hadn't made the connection that I could try other > > nut butters - you > > mean like on a sandwich or crackers, right? Instead > > of peanut > > butter? That sounds good. > > > > The Smoothie Infusion sounds awesome! Is that > > something you buy, and > > then you are adding all that other stuff to it? I'd > > love your > > recipe, for what actually works for you, which isn't > > always the same > > as the healthy recipe suggests. I have been adding > > flax seeds to > > bread, but I hadn't thought of sneaking it into > > other things; maybe > > oatmeal would work also? Pancakes? In addition to > > your smoothies. > > > > I'm getting great ideas here, you guys are awesome! > > > > -Kara > > > > On Jul 23, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Christine wrote: > > > > > Kara, > > > > > > Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are > > fruitarians for a while. > > > As one > > > cookbook author pointed out - if they seem healthy > > and they are still > > > growing it's probably ok. > > > > > > My 9 yr old is just starting to take to veggies, > > well he will eat a > > > plain > > > lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats > > small amounts of > > > broccoli > > > and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. > > > > > > Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed > > potatoes, corn, and > > > peas, if > > > forced. He used to love broccoli and now spurns > > it. He is very > > > picky about > > > fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit > > n'veggie " juices and > > > he eats > > > their snack bars too (they include two servings of > > veggies per bar). > > > > > > There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try a > > few different ones. > > > I am > > > not fond of almond butter but eat it for variety, > > and they like > > > sunflower > > > seed butter, it's good with honey, for a switch > > from PB. > > > > > > My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie > > Infusion by Vega every > > > morning. > > > It is a full meal supplement, with protein, > > greens, veggies, and > > > fruit. I > > > process it with berries, fruit juice, water, ice, > > a banana, flax > > > seeds and > > > vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their growing > > brains, and one > > > decent > > > meal of veggies per day. > > > > > > So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition > > into them but it is a > > > struggle and like you I envy the moms with the > > good eaters. > > > > > > Christine > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > Linda > http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World > > ________ > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing. > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 You grind them first. Linda --- Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > I read that flax seeds don't do any good unless they > are ground up - > otherwise they just pass right through. So last > time I ground them > up before using. But, is chewing enough? Do you > just add them whole? > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Linda Evans wrote: > > > My kids love flax seeds in their oatmeal (along > with a > > little blackstrap molasses and fresh fruit), they > add > > it to soy yogurt, cold cereal, etc. If we eat > waffles > > or french toast, etc. we add flax seed oil to the > > syrup. We add flax seed oil to whole wheat pasta > > (don't heat it off course)...I can barely stomach > > pasta without flax seed oil now and take it to > > restaurants if we go out. > > > > Linda > > --- Kara Keeter <karakeeter wrote: > > > > > Thanks Christine, and everyone else who replied. > > > > > > I hadn't made the connection that I could try > other > > > nut butters - you > > > mean like on a sandwich or crackers, right? > Instead > > > of peanut > > > butter? That sounds good. > > > > > > The Smoothie Infusion sounds awesome! Is that > > > something you buy, and > > > then you are adding all that other stuff to it? > I'd > > > love your > > > recipe, for what actually works for you, which > isn't > > > always the same > > > as the healthy recipe suggests. I have been > adding > > > flax seeds to > > > bread, but I hadn't thought of sneaking it into > > > other things; maybe > > > oatmeal would work also? Pancakes? In addition > to > > > your smoothies. > > > > > > I'm getting great ideas here, you guys are > awesome! > > > > > > -Kara > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Christine wrote: > > > > > > > Kara, > > > > > > > > Panic not. Your kids won't die if they are > > > fruitarians for a while. > > > > As one > > > > cookbook author pointed out - if they seem > healthy > > > and they are still > > > > growing it's probably ok. > > > > > > > > My 9 yr old is just starting to take to > veggies, > > > well he will eat a > > > > plain > > > > lettuce salad with Marilyn's sd on it. He eats > > > small amounts of > > > > broccoli > > > > and carrots, and a small assortment of fruit. > > > > > > > > Meanwhile the 4 yr old will only eat mashed > > > potatoes, corn, and > > > > peas, if > > > > forced. He used to love broccoli and now > spurns > > > it. He is very > > > > picky about > > > > fruits too. He will drink the Sunrype " fruit > > > n'veggie " juices and > > > > he eats > > > > their snack bars too (they include two > servings of > > > veggies per bar). > > > > > > > > There is a lot of protein in nut butters, try > a > > > few different ones. > > > > I am > > > > not fond of almond butter but eat it for > variety, > > > and they like > > > > sunflower > > > > seed butter, it's good with honey, for a > switch > > > from PB. > > > > > > > > My best trick is to make them drink Smoothie > > > Infusion by Vega every > > > > morning. > > > > It is a full meal supplement, with protein, > > > greens, veggies, and > > > > fruit. I > > > > process it with berries, fruit juice, water, > ice, > > > a banana, flax > > > > seeds and > > > > vegan DHA oil. So they get oils for their > growing > > > brains, and one > > > > decent > > > > meal of veggies per day. > > > > > > > > So I do have a few tricks to smuggle nutrition > > > into them but it is a > > > > struggle and like you I envy the moms with the > > > good eaters. > > > > > > > > Christine > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Linda > > http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better > World > > > > > ________ > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email > wherever you're > > surfing. > > > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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