Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 When I was younger, I was in a program for junior zoologists and naturalists. I had the pleasure of studying under Barry Wakeman who, at the time, was the curator of Ed at the Cincinnati zoo. He was a great environmentalist. I am however unsure if he was vegetarian, vegan, etc. I do know he ate daddy longleggers and black ants, as he taught me. :-) Barry was very good at getting us to think. We had a discussion on vegetarian vs omnivore.- pros and cons. The only real block we had was farm land. And it's a question I am not prepared to answer. I now it takes a great deal of land to raise cattle etc.. but if the whole world went meatless.. wouldn't we need just as much land to raise crops? Some animals make their homes in fields, when we till- clear etc.. we destroy their homes. It was never answered really. It was only offered BY CHILDREN as a con. How would you answer that? Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of vegton Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:40 PM Re: Parents always worry...about vegetarians? I feel your pain! Sometimes I want to print up a list of the most " stupid " questions I get along with my answers so when someone starts in on me I can just hand them my list so they can leave me alone. One of my favorites is " don't you think vegetables feel pain? " Ugh! If someone is truly interested in why I eat the way I do I'm more than happy to educate them, but if they're going to ask stupid questions (and they know darn well they're stupid) I really don't want to waste my time. And what's with meat eaters purposely shoving meat in their mouths in front of me and saying things like " mmmmmm..... " ??? Sorry, now I'm thinking about all those annoying things people do to me. Tonia @gro <%40> ups.com, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I know what you mean... I hate hate hate it when people say I don't " like " meat or something with meat in it. It's not simple dislike!! It's disgust, loathing, nausea, etc. I don't *like* cooked spinach, but I'll eat it. Grr. > > I also cannot stand having to explain to everyone individually what exactly we do eat. If someone asks me that, I ask if they're considering going vegetarian. If they say yes, I'll give them all the information they want and then some. If not (which is the vast majority of the time), or they're " just curious, " I tell them to look it up on the internet because I've had that conversation entirely enough times the past nearly eleven years. I don't want to seem rude, but really it's a lot more rude for them to waste our time with stupid questions that could be answered by simple common sense than it is for us to refuse to answer a question that we've answered a million times before. I just want to sit down and flipping eat my food!!! Geez!!! > > " diana.platt " <diana.platt wrote: I just spent a week with my parents. My daughter, who is a very > picky eater and is a demanding child, learned to eat some new foods > while we were there (peanut butter). My parents who are not > vegetarian always make joking comments about who is going to eat what > and what I will or will not " like " (it is usually some kind of pig). > > Now that I have a child and am raising her vegetarian until she can > make an informed choice of her own, it seems like all we talked about > was what people eat. Finally when the topic was raised about what I > was going to eat for the 10th time, my mom got it sort of....she > said 'oh she just doesn't eat meat, but we will have lots of non- meat > sides and she will fend for herself. I know she will not starve'. > > I was pleased until we got home and I got a call about two days > later. Seems like my mom was talking to her other nurse friends > about high need (fussy) babies and someone said that they had a > patient that was very fussy but that she was not getting enough > protein in her diet-maybe that was why my daughter is so fussy. > > Arrrggggggg! I told my mom to think about all that my daughter ate > while we were there especially the protein. I said, do you think she > is starving? We both laughed! > > I guess it takes time for people to realize what they are saying and > no matter what mothers always worry....I know I do! Kadee Sedtal > > " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Raising cattle takes up a whole lot more land per pound of " food " produced than crops do. If the world went meatless and we planted crops where the cattle had been, we'd be making use of land that was already " ruined " for wildlife and not having to mess up anymore. If all the land was used for crops instead of cattle or feed for cattle, we'd have a lot more food without using up anymore land. I forgot the actual percentage but well over half of all the grains grown in the US are grown to feed cattle!! Imagine if not only that land was made available for human food to be grown, but all those millions of acres that are currently being used to raise cattle!! More food, less land, A LOT less pollution to the air and water. All good. RnScarlson <scarlson1 wrote: When I was younger, I was in a program for junior zoologists and naturalists. I had the pleasure of studying under Barry Wakeman who, at the time, was the curator of Ed at the Cincinnati zoo. He was a great environmentalist. I am however unsure if he was vegetarian, vegan, etc. I do know he ate daddy longleggers and black ants, as he taught me. :-) Barry was very good at getting us to think. We had a discussion on vegetarian vs omnivore.- pros and cons. The only real block we had was farm land. And it's a question I am not prepared to answer. I now it takes a great deal of land to raise cattle etc.. but if the whole world went meatless.. wouldn't we need just as much land to raise crops? Some animals make their homes in fields, when we till- clear etc.. we destroy their homes. It was never answered really. It was only offered BY CHILDREN as a con. How would you answer that? Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of vegton Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:40 PM Re: Parents always worry...about vegetarians? I feel your pain! Sometimes I want to print up a list of the most " stupid " questions I get along with my answers so when someone starts in on me I can just hand them my list so they can leave me alone. One of my favorites is " don't you think vegetables feel pain? " Ugh! If someone is truly interested in why I eat the way I do I'm more than happy to educate them, but if they're going to ask stupid questions (and they know darn well they're stupid) I really don't want to waste my time. And what's with meat eaters purposely shoving meat in their mouths in front of me and saying things like " mmmmmm..... " ??? Sorry, now I'm thinking about all those annoying things people do to me. Tonia @gro <%40> ups.com, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I know what you mean... I hate hate hate it when people say I don't " like " meat or something with meat in it. It's not simple dislike!! It's disgust, loathing, nausea, etc. I don't *like* cooked spinach, but I'll eat it. Grr. > > I also cannot stand having to explain to everyone individually what exactly we do eat. If someone asks me that, I ask if they're considering going vegetarian. If they say yes, I'll give them all the information they want and then some. If not (which is the vast majority of the time), or they're " just curious, " I tell them to look it up on the internet because I've had that conversation entirely enough times the past nearly eleven years. I don't want to seem rude, but really it's a lot more rude for them to waste our time with stupid questions that could be answered by simple common sense than it is for us to refuse to answer a question that we've answered a million times before. I just want to sit down and flipping eat my food!!! Geez!!! > > " diana.platt " <diana.platt wrote: I just spent a week with my parents. My daughter, who is a very > picky eater and is a demanding child, learned to eat some new foods > while we were there (peanut butter). My parents who are not > vegetarian always make joking comments about who is going to eat what > and what I will or will not " like " (it is usually some kind of pig). > > Now that I have a child and am raising her vegetarian until she can > make an informed choice of her own, it seems like all we talked about > was what people eat. Finally when the topic was raised about what I > was going to eat for the 10th time, my mom got it sort of....she > said 'oh she just doesn't eat meat, but we will have lots of non- meat > sides and she will fend for herself. I know she will not starve'. > > I was pleased until we got home and I got a call about two days > later. Seems like my mom was talking to her other nurse friends > about high need (fussy) babies and someone said that they had a > patient that was very fussy but that she was not getting enough > protein in her diet-maybe that was why my daughter is so fussy. > > Arrrggggggg! I told my mom to think about all that my daughter ate > while we were there especially the protein. I said, do you think she > is starving? We both laughed! > > I guess it takes time for people to realize what they are saying and > no matter what mothers always worry....I know I do! > > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey > > > > > > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Ah. good answer. Thanks. Forgot about the cattle feed land. Again.. we were only kids. Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of Kadee M Friday, July 27, 2007 11:36 AM Re: question was Re: Parents always worry...about vegetarians? Raising cattle takes up a whole lot more land per pound of " food " produced than crops do. If the world went meatless and we planted crops where the cattle had been, we'd be making use of land that was already " ruined " for wildlife and not having to mess up anymore. If all the land was used for crops instead of cattle or feed for cattle, we'd have a lot more food without using up anymore land. I forgot the actual percentage but well over half of all the grains grown in the US are grown to feed cattle!! Imagine if not only that land was made available for human food to be grown, but all those millions of acres that are currently being used to raise cattle!! More food, less land, A LOT less pollution to the air and water. All good. RnScarlson <scarlson1 (AT) cinci (DOT) <scarlson1%40cinci.rr.com> rr.com> wrote: When I was younger, I was in a program for junior zoologists and naturalists. I had the pleasure of studying under Barry Wakeman who, at the time, was the curator of Ed at the Cincinnati zoo. He was a great environmentalist. I am however unsure if he was vegetarian, vegan, etc. I do know he ate daddy longleggers and black ants, as he taught me. :-) Barry was very good at getting us to think. We had a discussion on vegetarian vs omnivore.- pros and cons. The only real block we had was farm land. And it's a question I am not prepared to answer. I now it takes a great deal of land to raise cattle etc.. but if the whole world went meatless.. wouldn't we need just as much land to raise crops? Some animals make their homes in fields, when we till- clear etc.. we destroy their homes. It was never answered really. It was only offered BY CHILDREN as a con. How would you answer that? Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis @gro <%40> ups.com [@gro <%40> ups.com] On Behalf Of vegton Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:40 PM @gro <%40> ups.com Re: Parents always worry...about vegetarians? I feel your pain! Sometimes I want to print up a list of the most " stupid " questions I get along with my answers so when someone starts in on me I can just hand them my list so they can leave me alone. One of my favorites is " don't you think vegetables feel pain? " Ugh! If someone is truly interested in why I eat the way I do I'm more than happy to educate them, but if they're going to ask stupid questions (and they know darn well they're stupid) I really don't want to waste my time. And what's with meat eaters purposely shoving meat in their mouths in front of me and saying things like " mmmmmm..... " ??? Sorry, now I'm thinking about all those annoying things people do to me. Tonia @gro <%40> ups.com, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I know what you mean... I hate hate hate it when people say I don't " like " meat or something with meat in it. It's not simple dislike!! It's disgust, loathing, nausea, etc. I don't *like* cooked spinach, but I'll eat it. Grr. > > I also cannot stand having to explain to everyone individually what exactly we do eat. If someone asks me that, I ask if they're considering going vegetarian. If they say yes, I'll give them all the information they want and then some. If not (which is the vast majority of the time), or they're " just curious, " I tell them to look it up on the internet because I've had that conversation entirely enough times the past nearly eleven years. I don't want to seem rude, but really it's a lot more rude for them to waste our time with stupid questions that could be answered by simple common sense than it is for us to refuse to answer a question that we've answered a million times before. I just want to sit down and flipping eat my food!!! Geez!!! > > " diana.platt " <diana.platt wrote: I just spent a week with my parents. My daughter, who is a very > picky eater and is a demanding child, learned to eat some new foods > while we were there (peanut butter). My parents who are not > vegetarian always make joking comments about who is going to eat what > and what I will or will not " like " (it is usually some kind of pig). > > Now that I have a child and am raising her vegetarian until she can > make an informed choice of her own, it seems like all we talked about > was what people eat. Finally when the topic was raised about what I > was going to eat for the 10th time, my mom got it sort of....she > said 'oh she just doesn't eat meat, but we will have lots of non- meat > sides and she will fend for herself. I know she will not starve'. > > I was pleased until we got home and I got a call about two days > later. Seems like my mom was talking to her other nurse friends > about high need (fussy) babies and someone said that they had a > patient that was very fussy but that she was not getting enough > protein in her diet-maybe that was why my daughter is so fussy. > > Arrrggggggg! I told my mom to think about all that my daughter ate > while we were there especially the protein. I said, do you think she > is starving? We both laughed! > > I guess it takes time for people to realize what they are saying and > no matter what mothers always worry....I know I do! Kadee Sedtal > > " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 think about how much grain makes one meal of grain. now think about how many meals of grain a cow needs to eat to make one meal of grain. this is why i stopped eating meat in my teens. RnScarlson <scarlson1 wrote: When I was younger, I was in a program for junior zoologists and naturalists. I had the pleasure of studying under Barry Wakeman who, at the time, was the curator of Ed at the Cincinnati zoo. He was a great environmentalist. I am however unsure if he was vegetarian, vegan, etc. I do know he ate daddy longleggers and black ants, as he taught me. :-) Barry was very good at getting us to think. We had a discussion on vegetarian vs omnivore.- pros and cons. The only real block we had was farm land. And it's a question I am not prepared to answer. I now it takes a great deal of land to raise cattle etc.. but if the whole world went meatless.. wouldn't we need just as much land to raise crops? Some animals make their homes in fields, when we till- clear etc.. we destroy their homes. It was never answered really. It was only offered BY CHILDREN as a con. How would you answer that? Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of vegton Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:40 PM Re: Parents always worry...about vegetarians? I feel your pain! Sometimes I want to print up a list of the most " stupid " questions I get along with my answers so when someone starts in on me I can just hand them my list so they can leave me alone. One of my favorites is " don't you think vegetables feel pain? " Ugh! If someone is truly interested in why I eat the way I do I'm more than happy to educate them, but if they're going to ask stupid questions (and they know darn well they're stupid) I really don't want to waste my time. And what's with meat eaters purposely shoving meat in their mouths in front of me and saying things like " mmmmmm..... " ??? Sorry, now I'm thinking about all those annoying things people do to me. Tonia @gro <%40> ups.com, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I know what you mean... I hate hate hate it when people say I don't " like " meat or something with meat in it. It's not simple dislike!! It's disgust, loathing, nausea, etc. I don't *like* cooked spinach, but I'll eat it. Grr. > > I also cannot stand having to explain to everyone individually what exactly we do eat. If someone asks me that, I ask if they're considering going vegetarian. If they say yes, I'll give them all the information they want and then some. If not (which is the vast majority of the time), or they're " just curious, " I tell them to look it up on the internet because I've had that conversation entirely enough times the past nearly eleven years. I don't want to seem rude, but really it's a lot more rude for them to waste our time with stupid questions that could be answered by simple common sense than it is for us to refuse to answer a question that we've answered a million times before. I just want to sit down and flipping eat my food!!! Geez!!! > > " diana.platt " <diana.platt wrote: I just spent a week with my parents. My daughter, who is a very > picky eater and is a demanding child, learned to eat some new foods > while we were there (peanut butter). My parents who are not > vegetarian always make joking comments about who is going to eat what > and what I will or will not " like " (it is usually some kind of pig). > > Now that I have a child and am raising her vegetarian until she can > make an informed choice of her own, it seems like all we talked about > was what people eat. Finally when the topic was raised about what I > was going to eat for the 10th time, my mom got it sort of....she > said 'oh she just doesn't eat meat, but we will have lots of non- meat > sides and she will fend for herself. I know she will not starve'. > > I was pleased until we got home and I got a call about two days > later. Seems like my mom was talking to her other nurse friends > about high need (fussy) babies and someone said that they had a > patient that was very fussy but that she was not getting enough > protein in her diet-maybe that was why my daughter is so fussy. > > Arrrggggggg! I told my mom to think about all that my daughter ate > while we were there especially the protein. I said, do you think she > is starving? We both laughed! > > I guess it takes time for people to realize what they are saying and > no matter what mothers always worry....I know I do! Kadee Sedtal > > " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Sorry, I meant to say: think about how many meals of grain a cow needs to eat to make one meal of cow. robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: think about how much grain makes one meal of grain. now think about how many meals of grain a cow needs to eat to make one meal of grain. this is why i stopped eating meat in my teens. RnScarlson <scarlson1 wrote: When I was younger, I was in a program for junior zoologists and naturalists. I had the pleasure of studying under Barry Wakeman who, at the time, was the curator of Ed at the Cincinnati zoo. He was a great environmentalist. I am however unsure if he was vegetarian, vegan, etc. I do know he ate daddy longleggers and black ants, as he taught me. :-) Barry was very good at getting us to think. We had a discussion on vegetarian vs omnivore.- pros and cons. The only real block we had was farm land. And it's a question I am not prepared to answer. I now it takes a great deal of land to raise cattle etc.. but if the whole world went meatless.. wouldn't we need just as much land to raise crops? Some animals make their homes in fields, when we till- clear etc.. we destroy their homes. It was never answered really. It was only offered BY CHILDREN as a con. How would you answer that? Steph " We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. " C.S. Lewis On Behalf Of vegton Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:40 PM Re: Parents always worry...about vegetarians? I feel your pain! Sometimes I want to print up a list of the most " stupid " questions I get along with my answers so when someone starts in on me I can just hand them my list so they can leave me alone. One of my favorites is " don't you think vegetables feel pain? " Ugh! If someone is truly interested in why I eat the way I do I'm more than happy to educate them, but if they're going to ask stupid questions (and they know darn well they're stupid) I really don't want to waste my time. And what's with meat eaters purposely shoving meat in their mouths in front of me and saying things like " mmmmmm..... " ??? Sorry, now I'm thinking about all those annoying things people do to me. Tonia @gro <%40> ups.com, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > I know what you mean... I hate hate hate it when people say I don't " like " meat or something with meat in it. It's not simple dislike!! It's disgust, loathing, nausea, etc. I don't *like* cooked spinach, but I'll eat it. Grr. > > I also cannot stand having to explain to everyone individually what exactly we do eat. If someone asks me that, I ask if they're considering going vegetarian. If they say yes, I'll give them all the information they want and then some. If not (which is the vast majority of the time), or they're " just curious, " I tell them to look it up on the internet because I've had that conversation entirely enough times the past nearly eleven years. I don't want to seem rude, but really it's a lot more rude for them to waste our time with stupid questions that could be answered by simple common sense than it is for us to refuse to answer a question that we've answered a million times before. I just want to sit down and flipping eat my food!!! Geez!!! > > " diana.platt " <diana.platt wrote: I just spent a week with my parents. My daughter, who is a very > picky eater and is a demanding child, learned to eat some new foods > while we were there (peanut butter). My parents who are not > vegetarian always make joking comments about who is going to eat what > and what I will or will not " like " (it is usually some kind of pig). > > Now that I have a child and am raising her vegetarian until she can > make an informed choice of her own, it seems like all we talked about > was what people eat. Finally when the topic was raised about what I > was going to eat for the 10th time, my mom got it sort of....she > said 'oh she just doesn't eat meat, but we will have lots of non- meat > sides and she will fend for herself. I know she will not starve'. > > I was pleased until we got home and I got a call about two days > later. Seems like my mom was talking to her other nurse friends > about high need (fussy) babies and someone said that they had a > patient that was very fussy but that she was not getting enough > protein in her diet-maybe that was why my daughter is so fussy. > > Arrrggggggg! I told my mom to think about all that my daughter ate > while we were there especially the protein. I said, do you think she > is starving? We both laughed! > > I guess it takes time for people to realize what they are saying and > no matter what mothers always worry....I know I do! Kadee Sedtal > > " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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