Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hi folks -- my parents have just discovered the Weston A. Price foundation and started e-mailing me about it. I know there has been a fair bit of discussion about it on this list. Does anyone know of a *balanaced, unbiased* source of information about the validity (or unvalidity!) of that movement that I could forward to them? Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hi Heather! If your parents are interested in nutrition then get them Campbell's book " The China Study " or check it out of your local library. In the mean time, go to http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/campbell_china_response.htm and read this article. It is T. Colin Campbell's response to criticism about his book that has come from WAP folks. Peace and Good Health, Danita >Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 >Aug 10, 2007 12:45 PM >VRGParents > WAPpers > >Hi folks -- my parents have just discovered the Weston A. Price >foundation and started e-mailing me about it. I know there has been a >fair bit of discussion about it on this list. Does anyone know of a >*balanaced, unbiased* source of information about the validity (or >unvalidity!) of that movement that I could forward to them? >Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hi Heather, I know that the Weston A. Price Foundation is a notorious supporter of dairy farmers and if I'm not mistaken cattle ranchers as well. They are completely biased. Kaayla Daniels book about the dangers of soy was based on research that was funded by the WAPF. No surprise that it espoused the dangers of soy and tried to scare folks away from consuming soy . I'm now trying to figure out if Nina Planck has any connection to the WAPF or Kaayla Daniels and if so what that connection is. I think I have some better information in an e-mail I saved some time ago. If I can find it I'll send it but I'm sure there will be others on this list who can fill you in with much better and complete information. Speaking of Nina Planck, she was just on (via phone) a local show called Your Turn on the Fox network entitled, " Are Vegan Children Healthy? " There were a couple of friends of mine who were on this show, one a registered dietitian and the other a social worker who are both vegan and raising their children vegan. There was also a dietitian from a local children's hospital. Planck plugged Daniels' book and said it was just the best source of information and recommended it to everyone. Vegan children are not healthy, vegan mothers are irresponsible (I guess the fathers are okay though), and vegan pregnancies are unsafe was some of the other info she threw out there. I felt like I was traveling back in time a few decades. The dietitian from the hospital was supportive of a vegan diet - if done properly. Of course the subject of what will happen when kids go to school and get made fun of (my children haven't been - in fact other kids think most of what they have to eat is pretty good) and eat differently or the inevitable subject of birthday parties, etc... It was all handled well by my two friends when Planck wasn't trying to interrupt. It is amazing how the case of Crown Shakur in Atlanta has stimulated all this " conversation and attack " about and on vegans. God's Peace, Gayle God's Peace, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hey Gayle and Heather! Nina Planck's website includes a link to WAPF but I don't know about any formal ties. Peace and Good Health, Danita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 I'm unbiased. WAP is stupid. Feel free to share this information. //I got nothin.' Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Hi folks -- my parents have just discovered the Weston A. Price foundation and started e-mailing me about it. I know there has been a fair bit of discussion about it on this list. Does anyone know of a *balanaced, unbiased* source of information about the validity (or unvalidity!) of that movement that I could forward to them? Heather Kadee Sedtal " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Well helloooo, we want our kids to be lemmings! How in the heck are they supposed to be lemmings if we sabotage it early on by making them *gasp* different? Geez, you darned vegans. I am of course joking... I'd love to go vegan once hubby gets the vegetarian thing down. My kids are " different " no matter what they eat! Gayle Nelson-folkersen <dilemma5 wrote: Hi Heather, I know that the Weston A. Price Foundation is a notorious supporter of dairy farmers and if I'm not mistaken cattle ranchers as well. They are completely biased. Kaayla Daniels book about the dangers of soy was based on research that was funded by the WAPF. No surprise that it espoused the dangers of soy and tried to scare folks away from consuming soy . I'm now trying to figure out if Nina Planck has any connection to the WAPF or Kaayla Daniels and if so what that connection is. I think I have some better information in an e-mail I saved some time ago. If I can find it I'll send it but I'm sure there will be others on this list who can fill you in with much better and complete information. Speaking of Nina Planck, she was just on (via phone) a local show called Your Turn on the Fox network entitled, " Are Vegan Children Healthy? " There were a couple of friends of mine who were on this show, one a registered dietitian and the other a social worker who are both vegan and raising their children vegan. There was also a dietitian from a local children's hospital. Planck plugged Daniels' book and said it was just the best source of information and recommended it to everyone. Vegan children are not healthy, vegan mothers are irresponsible (I guess the fathers are okay though), and vegan pregnancies are unsafe was some of the other info she threw out there. I felt like I was traveling back in time a few decades. The dietitian from the hospital was supportive of a vegan diet - if done properly. Of course the subject of what will happen when kids go to school and get made fun of (my children haven't been - in fact other kids think most of what they have to eat is pretty good) and eat differently or the inevitable subject of birthday parties, etc... It was all handled well by my two friends when Planck wasn't trying to interrupt. It is amazing how the case of Crown Shakur in Atlanta has stimulated all this " conversation and attack " about and on vegans. God's Peace, Gayle God's Peace, Kadee Sedtal " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 On 8/10/07 12:43 PM, " Gayle Nelson-folkersen " <dilemma5 wrote: > Speaking of Nina Planck, she was just on (via phone) a local show called Your > Turn on the Fox network entitled, " Are Vegan Children Healthy? " There were a > couple of friends of mine who were on this show, one a registered dietitian > and the other a social worker who are both vegan and raising their children > vegan. There was also a dietitian from a local children's hospital. Planck > plugged Daniels' book and said it was just the best source of information and > recommended it to everyone. Vegan children are not healthy, vegan mothers are > irresponsible (I guess the fathers are okay though), and vegan pregnancies are > unsafe was some of the other info she threw out there. That woman is ridiculous. (There was actually a front page article in the New York Times food section this last week with Ms. Planck and her husband smiling idiotically at their baby. The article was on the growing popularity of raw milk, and, she, of course, is a proponent. They give some to their daughter. I can't believe the NYTimes would touch her with a ten-foot-pole given the debacle of her shrill, groundless editorial.) I would love for her to come to one of our vegan family potlucks, full of vibrant, energetic children, and challenge her to tell me these children are unhealthy. I think she's a little like Ann Coulter: feeds on controversy and conflict. I think the best defense is to keep exposing the world to our happy, healthy and well-adjusted vegan children. Marla Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Heather, Try showing your parents this great article addressing the way in which WAPF twists and warps studies (it is specifically about soy, but it really discredits the foundation): http://www.vegfamily.com/health/vegan-soy-information.htm Also, this article by Dr. Weil is good. He does not point out WAPF by name, but I get the feeling that is who he is talking about: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575 Again, this article is specifically about soy, but it also does a good job of discrediting the organization, although not by name. Good luck, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 ROFL! Thanx for the laugh! God's Peace, Gayle >Kadee M <abbey_road3012 >Aug 10, 2007 2:50 PM > >Re: WAPpers > >I'm unbiased. WAP is stupid. Feel free to share this information. > > > >//I got nothin.' > >Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Hi folks -- my parents have just discovered the Weston A. Price > foundation and started e-mailing me about it. I know there has been a > fair bit of discussion about it on this list. Does anyone know of a > *balanaced, unbiased* source of information about the validity (or > unvalidity!) of that movement that I could forward to them? > Heather > > > > > >Kadee Sedtal > > " When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmmm, boy. " -Jack Handey > > > > > > > > >Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Here are a few links from Dr. Joel Fuhrman (author of Eat to Live) which nicely debunk the WAPF claims. http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_dietary_myths.htm http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_facts_fiction.htm http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_metabolics.htm Cheers, Mark - Heather Hossfeld VRGParents Friday, August 10, 2007 12:45 PM WAPpers Hi folks -- my parents have just discovered the Weston A. Price foundation and started e-mailing me about it. I know there has been a fair bit of discussion about it on this list. Does anyone know of a *balanaced, unbiased* source of information about the validity (or unvalidity!) of that movement that I could forward to them? Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 <<There was actually a front page article in the New York Times food section this last week with Ms. Planck and her husband smiling idiotically at their baby.>> Thanks for catching that, Marla....although I read the article at the time, I didn't realize WHO they were writing about. According to the article, she used to be the director of the New York City Greenmarkets. And her boyfriend (not her husband) is the owner of Murray¢s Cheese in Greenwich Village. Based on their philosophy, I find it particularly odd that they live and work in the heart of NYC rather than a rural area. There's no accounting for some people. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Yes, and apparently she was fired from her position at the Greenmarket for being too divisive and dictatorial after three or four months. My impression is that she's a " real piece of work " , as they say. Marla > <<There was actually a front page article in the New York Times food section > this last week with Ms. Planck and her husband smiling idiotically at their > baby.>> > > Thanks for catching that, Marla....although I read the article at the time, I > didn't realize WHO they were writing about. According to the article, she > used to be the director of the New York City Greenmarkets. And her boyfriend > (not her husband) is the owner of Murray¢s Cheese in Greenwich Village. Based > on their philosophy, I find it particularly odd that they live and work in the > heart of NYC rather than a rural area. > > There's no accounting for some people. > > Liz > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Dear Liz, as a New Yorker currently housed in Virginia . Why would she want to Leave NYC . It has rural areas nearby for those green grass needs. Queens and Jersey are not far. And based on your issue of her having boyfriend instead of a husband ? Where are you going with that ? That the reason why I sometimes wish I had never left NY . The narrow minds ? Perhaps I missed some thing . Would you explain ? Lynda ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Dear Marla, Most people have no knowledge about any diet.( if not the SAD diet mother's would be arrested) When you offer a sharp change like Vegan and Living Foods . The ignorant always raise their heads. With disease on the rise . We will soon have our day . The verdict is in. . So no need making remarks . Just stay focused and watch them fall. The cenus will change and it will not be long ; before the Vegan diet is popular and recognized for it benefits. Lynda ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Lynda, I have no idea why you assume malicious intent on my part. You don't know where I have lived, what my marital status is, or how much I might know about the difference between city and rural areas. I don't owe you an explanation. Let's stick to discussions about issues that affect vegetarians. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Liz, maybe your not aware of how it sounded. But it did sound like malicious intent; to me . It is always best when we stick to subjects that educate us all. That's what I look for in this and the other groups I belong to. And your right you owe me nothing. I merely asked a question . I asked the question to inquire about the intent ! I think you owe it to yourself and the group to stay positive Be Well, Lynda __ Get a sneak peek of the all-new _AOL.com_ (http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982) . ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Marla, I feel you . I have a Living Vegan restaurant and I experience people that are clueless. I really try my best to educate the community. People need to know. and Oh Yes. I am grateful for groups like this and folks like you that keep America aware . I am on your team 100% . I just like to keep it factual. And you do have the facts. Even though we are up against some really big bad corporate liars . We'll win. No harm intended let's keep it real & Factual Have a Fruitful Day, Lynda ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Hi, Lynda, I agree that most people are ignorant about diet, that's why when people make ignorant blanket statements about a plant-based diet, I do feel the need to say something. Otherwise, the Nina Plancks of the world are misinforming and misguiding without any challenges. I try to keep my responses on topic and not attacking. I don't see any harm in that. Thanks for your feedback, Marla Rose > Dear Marla, > Most people have no knowledge about any diet.( if not the SAD diet > mother's would be arrested) When you offer a sharp change like Vegan and > Living > Foods . The ignorant always raise their heads. With disease on the rise . We > will soon have our day . > The verdict is in. . So no need making remarks . Just stay focused and watch > them fall. The cenus will change and it will not be long ; before the Vegan > diet is popular and recognized for it benefits. > Lynda > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Thanks everyone. I passed along some articles and Dad has come to the logical conclusion that WAPfers are extremists... but he still thinks vegans are extremists too and that " time will show that moderation in everything is the true key " . Perhaps. At least he conceded that he and Mom don't think we're doing harm to our children, he can see they're thriving. Turns out someone Dad works with is a staunch follower of WAP and has been trying to convert him :-) Dr. Fuhrman's articles were interesting. After reading them (and the one by Dr. Campbell that someone else posted, in which Campbell mentioned his high esteem of Dr. Fuhrman) I've ordered his book Disease-Proof Your Child. I'm looking forward to seeing whether he advocates a completely vegan diet for children and what else he has to say. Heather Mark Young wrote: > > Here are a few links from Dr. Joel Fuhrman (author of Eat to Live) > which nicely debunk the WAPF claims. > > http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_dietary_myths.htm > <http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_dietary_myths.htm> > > http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_facts_fiction.htm > <http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_facts_fiction.htm> > > http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_metabolics.htm > <http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/fuhrman_metabolics.htm> > > Cheers, > Mark > > - > Heather Hossfeld > VRGParents > Friday, August 10, 2007 12:45 PM > WAPpers > > Hi folks -- my parents have just discovered the Weston A. Price > foundation and started e-mailing me about it. I know there has been a > fair bit of discussion about it on this list. Does anyone know of a > *balanaced, unbiased* source of information about the validity (or > unvalidity!) of that movement that I could forward to them? > Heather > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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