Looking for info on vegan recipes for athletes

[Guest guest]

You might want to check out http://www.veganfitness.net

 

They have a lot of tips for us!

 

Graham

 

Bob wrote:

 

>Need to find a way to create meals with enough calories to feed and

>endurance athlete who consumes 4-6000 cals regualrly and then bumps up

>to 7000+ calories in heavy training All just to maintain weight and

>have enough enrgy to workout.

>Polenta, pasta, tofu, tempeh ...?????

>thanks,

>marty in VA

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[Guest guest]

> Need to find a way to create meals with enough calories to feed and

> endurance athlete who consumes 4-6000 cals regualrly and then bumps up

> to 7000+ calories in heavy training All just to maintain weight and

> have enough enrgy to workout.

> Polenta, pasta, tofu, tempeh ...?????

 

 

Maybe these will help?

 

" The Vegetarian Sports Nutrition Guide " book by Lisa Dorfman

 

Also look at http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

 

In any case, I assume said athlete is eating 5 or 6 times a day - it

will be easier to get those calories and nutrients in. Don't just

fill up on white pasta - it'll do no favors.

[Guest guest]

Graham - thanks for this sitelink!! I hadn't run across it before.

I've have been researching nutrition lately as I've started lifting

weights but want all my calories (and any extra I will need) to come

from " clean " foods... but most weight sites are based on chicken,

eggs, & cottage cheese! May also be doing a long hike (2K+ miles)

within a year or two and will definitely need lots of calories then...

 

Amy

 

Graham wrote:

 

> You might want to check out http://www.veganfitness.net

> They have a lot of tips for us!

[Guest guest]

Marty, if you are looking for a high calorie vegetarian recipe list, you

have definitely come to the WRONG place. Write to me privately and I

will share some other options with you.

 

from Maida

Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org

South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net

[Guest guest]

> Marty, if you are looking for a high calorie vegetarian recipe list,

> you have definitely come to the WRONG place.

 

OTOH, an athlete shouldn't up calories by eating high-calorie,

high-fat foods... he should eat *more*, of healthy foods, so perhaps

he would still find some benefit here.

[Guest guest]

Maida wrote:

> > Marty, if you are looking for a high calorie vegetarian recipe list,

> > you have definitely come to the WRONG place. . . .

 

I had to laugh when I saw that - our moderator is sooooo right. Here we are,

frantically (or

at least sensibly most of the time) trying to find ways of cutting calories

including cutting

fat in order to slim down (this IS a low-fat slimming grooup, after all),

adapting recipes,

dealing with cravings, etc., and along comes someone who writes:

 

>Need to find a way to create meals with enough calories to feed and

endurance athlete who consumes 4-6000 cals regualrly and then bumps up

to 7000+ calories in heavy training . . .

 

And yes, plainly the wrong group for that! LOL No way are we going to be able

tell you

how to eat that many calories in a day as far as recipes or menus (which is what

'create

meals' suggests) cuz if we did we'd be undermining the resolve of the rest of

our

membership - some of whom have various kinds of eating disorders in addition to

other

probs. Right? One comes to a slimming recipe group to *cut* calories (however

one goes

about it) not to increase them. That's fact. However, what sandpiperhiker

responded was

perfectly correct: (reiterating some advice she'd give in an earlier post on

this theme):

 

> OTOH, an athlete shouldn't up calories by eating high-calorie,

> high-fat foods... he should eat *more*, of healthy foods, so perhaps

> he would still find some benefit here. . . .

 

So one is tempted to suggest athletes go to our Files and find good low-fat

recipes and, in

order to have 7000+ calories a day, eat a zillion of such dishes. OR of course

he or she

could start a vegan athlete list? I couldn't find much out there, so there is

certainly a niche

to be filled!

 

Everyone is welcome here - but we are a Vegetarian Health and Slimming list, and

7000+

calories a day goes a wee bit beyond our brief ;-) Trying to be all things to

alll people? Not

always possible, but I wish!

 

Now the rest of you guys out there, if you're like me you need to knuckle down

and figure

out how to lose a few pounds.Today I'm going through an old Leah Leneman _The

Tofu

Cookbook_ which I keep losing amidst the rest - it promises 'over 150 quick and

easy

recipes' which sounds just right to me at this tender hour!

 

Take care, all. Recipes????? Yes, I need some!

 

Best love, Pat

[Guest guest]

, " Pat " <veggiehound

wrote:

>

> Maida wrote:

> > > Marty, if you are looking for a high calorie vegetarian recipe

list,

> > > you have definitely come to the WRONG place. . . .

>

> I had to laugh when I saw that - our moderator is sooooo right.

Here we are, frantically (or

> at least sensibly most of the time) trying to find ways of cutting

calories including cutting

> fat in order to slim down (this IS a low-fat slimming grooup,

after all), adapting recipes,

> dealing with cravings, etc., and along comes someone who writes:

>

> >Need to find a way to create meals with enough calories to feed

and

> endurance athlete who consumes 4-6000 cals regualrly and then

bumps up

> to 7000+ calories in heavy training . . .

>

> And yes, plainly the wrong group for that! LOL No way are we going

to be able tell you

> how to eat that many calories in a day as far as recipes or menus

(which is what 'create

> meals' suggests) cuz if we did we'd be undermining the resolve of

the rest of our

> membership - some of whom have various kinds of eating disorders

in addition to other

> probs. Right? One comes to a slimming recipe group to *cut*

calories (however one goes

> about it) not to increase them. That's fact. However, what

sandpiperhiker responded was

> perfectly correct: (reiterating some advice she'd give in an

earlier post on this theme):

>

> > OTOH, an athlete shouldn't up calories by eating high-calorie,

> > high-fat foods... he should eat *more*, of healthy foods, so

perhaps

> > he would still find some benefit here. . . .

>

> So one is tempted to suggest athletes go to our Files and find

good low-fat recipes and, in

> order to have 7000+ calories a day, eat a zillion of such dishes.

OR of course he or she

> could start a vegan athlete list? I couldn't find much out there,

so there is certainly a niche

> to be filled!

>

> Everyone is welcome here - but we are a Vegetarian Health and

Slimming list, and 7000+

> calories a day goes a wee bit beyond our brief ;-) Trying to be

all things to alll people? Not

> always possible, but I wish!

>

> Now the rest of you guys out there, if you're like me you need to

knuckle down and figure

> out how to lose a few pounds.Today I'm going through an old Leah

Leneman _The Tofu

> Cookbook_ which I keep losing amidst the rest - it promises 'over

150 quick and easy

> recipes' which sounds just right to me at this tender hour!

>

> Take care, all. Recipes????? Yes, I need some!

>

> Best love, Pat

>

The increasing clories has nothing to do with adding fat, or rather

my question was to people who obviously know caloric content of

foods would probably know ways to combine in a way to have enough

calories for energy without becoming emaciated. I run or hike 6

days a week s much as 4 hours at a time. I am 6'8 " tall and weigh

between 240 and 255 depending on the time of season I am in. As a

former meat eater I had the ability to get the concentrated

protein., calories and other nutrients from fish/chicken , cheese

and dairy.

I have a total cholestrol that averages 124 since I was 19( now 42)

and al the other numbers are good.

I love tofu, tempeh, seitan, TVP but not so much the " fake meats "

Doing a lot of grains in a wide variety.

WHole grain and veggie pasta.

This appropriate topic since diet is far from the best way to slim.

A good Vegetarian diet with proper exercise ( not crazy like me) not

only will burn off calories andfat, but the diet will cleanse and

replenish the body and soul.

Thanks for the tips for veganfitness and veganbodybuilding- lots of

great leads there.

I burn so many calories I could lose too much weight and at 6'8 I

would look and feel bad under 235.

Marty

[Guest guest]

, " Amy " <sandpiperhiker

wrote:

>

> Graham - thanks for this sitelink!! I hadn't run across it before.

> I've have been researching nutrition lately as I've started lifting

> weights but want all my calories (and any extra I will need) to come

> from " clean " foods... but most weight sites are based on chicken,

> eggs, & cottage cheese! May also be doing a long hike (2K+ miles)

> within a year or two and will definitely need lots of calories

then...

>

> Amy

>

> Graham wrote:

>

> > You might want to check out http://www.veganfitness.net

> > They have a lot of tips for us!

>

Amy,

I plan to through hike the Applachian trail in 07 and the the pacific

Crest Trail in 08. So this eating becomes a greater challenge. But I

am learning much more now and thankfully with my body frame and ize I

can carry and incredible pack.

^ years ago I hiked in and around Denali National Park in Alaska for

almost 6 weeks, but was not a vegetarian then- carried beans, rice,

MRE's and caught food.

More of a challenge now.

[Guest guest]

6'8 " ?? Wow, Marty, you're a big guy.... but can I email you some gear

questions?? My BIL is 6'5 " and having trouble finding things...

 

 

> The increasing clories has nothing to do with adding fat, or rather

> my question was to people who obviously know caloric content of

> foods would probably know ways to combine in a way to have enough

> calories for energy without becoming emaciated. I run or hike 6

> days a week s much as 4 hours at a time. I am 6'8 " tall and weigh

> between 240 and 255 depending on the time of season I am in. As a

> former meat eater I had the ability to get the concentrated

> protein., calories and other nutrients from fish/chicken , cheese

> and dairy.

> I have a total cholestrol that averages 124 since I was 19( now 42)

> and al the other numbers are good.

> I love tofu, tempeh, seitan, TVP but not so much the " fake meats "

> Doing a lot of grains in a wide variety.

> WHole grain and veggie pasta.

> This appropriate topic since diet is far from the best way to slim.

> A good Vegetarian diet with proper exercise ( not crazy like me) not

> only will burn off calories andfat, but the diet will cleanse and

> replenish the body and soul.

> Thanks for the tips for veganfitness and veganbodybuilding- lots of

> great leads there.

> I burn so many calories I could lose too much weight and at 6'8 I

> would look and feel bad under 235.

> Marty

>

[Guest guest]

Awesome, Marty! For hiking food, I cook my regular veg food at home

and dehydrate it. I then " create " recipes in nutritiondata.com to see

what the macronutrient content is, then I add all the portions up in

an Excel sheet, to be sure I'm packing enough calories each day. Have

only done one trip longer than a week though, where I needed to carry

food. Most is weekends.

 

 

> Amy,

> I plan to through hike the Applachian trail in 07 and the the pacific

> Crest Trail in 08. So this eating becomes a greater challenge. But I

> am learning much more now and thankfully with my body frame and ize I

> can carry and incredible pack.

> ^ years ago I hiked in and around Denali National Park in Alaska for

> almost 6 weeks, but was not a vegetarian then- carried beans, rice,

> MRE's and caught food.

> More of a challenge now.

>

[Guest guest]

> The increasing clories has nothing to do with adding fat

 

Hi there. No, I understand that. You probably eat a good

healthy amount for your own weight and size. Those of us who are trying to lose

weight,

rather than worrying about not gaining enough, cut down a little on the amount

of fat

we normally consume. Hence this low-fat list. You see? Additionally, this list

asks for low-

calorie recipes. Now the opposite of that is certainly not to add a whole bunch

of

unhealthy fats plus lots of high-calories sugars and carbs. However, I do wonder

whether

you are being sensible coming to a *slimming* list for ideas on how to get extra

calories

into your system. You see? By all means stick around to pick up ideas, but

remember that

you and we have opposite goals right now.

 

> my question was to people who obviously know caloric content of

> foods would probably know ways to combine in a way to have enough

> calories for energy without becoming emaciated.

 

I suspect that on a *slimming* list the feat of becoming 'emaciated' is pretty

low.

If you are talking of combining proteins, I think you'll find that that is no

longer

considered necessary. However, any athletes on the list may be able to advise

you

differently.

 

> This appropriate topic . . .

 

If you are saying that increasing calories for athletes is an appropriate topic,

I must say

that we have defined the theme of this list rather carefully, so that no one

will be under

any misapprehensions. Vegetarians, vegans and wannabees are all welcome here and

all,

I'd hope, will get something from the list. But our brief really is to find ways

for veggies to

lose unwanted and unhealthy weight in a healthy way, not gain weight. Some have

already

lost their weight and are using the list as a means of helping to maintain that

loss. Others

have no problem with weight (lucky people) but are here anyway <smile>. But the

recipes

are indeed healthy, and everyone should benefit. Nevertheless, it is those who

need to

*lose* who are our prime concern. We are here to give them support. Suggestions

of how

to eat more calories are likely to be very confusing and discouraging and would

make

nonsense of our entire purpose.

 

>. . . since diet is far from the best way to slim.

 

By 'diet' I assume you mean a reducing diet of the commercially poopular kind,

rather than

'diet' meaning what a person eats. I agree. A lifestyle change is needed. Even

vegetarians

and vegans can, under certain circumstances, find themselves eating in ways

which have

made them gain weight or have found themselves less mobile than before and have

gained

weight. We are here for them, to show them how to *lose* that weight. We start

with

encouraging (here I go again) low-fat and low-calorie recipes made from healthy

foods.

 

> A good Vegetarian diet with proper exercise ( not crazy like me) not

> only will burn off calories andfat, but the diet will cleanse and

> replenish the body and soul.

 

Of course. A good healthy vegetarian eating plan, plus exercise, right?

Excellent. Our

members know that. But of course I am mindful that what is 'proper exercise' for

some is

not proper for all - and not possible for many. We are here to support those

people too.

 

> Thanks for the tips for veganfitness and veganbodybuilding- lots of

> great leads there.

 

Glad someone could be of help. You seem to be very fit and proud of it.

 

Thanks for writing in with your views on this.

 

Best love, Pat