Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 And *this* one also was included in the IVU-Veg-News of today. Well, we never did say that low-fat was a cure-all - just that it helps to cut down on fatty foods if one wants to cut calories. Otoh, tomorrow they might come up with another study that says the opposite. Me? I'll continue as I am. Best, Pat [uS] Low-Fat Diet Not Sufficient to Protect Health The Washington Post - Wednesday, February 8, 2006; A01 Low-Fat Diet's Benefits Rejected Study Finds No Drop In Risk for Disease By Rob Stein, Washington Post Staff Writer Low-fat diets do not protect women against heart attacks, strokes, breast cancer or colon cancer, a major study has found, contradicting what had once been promoted as one of the cornerstones of a healthy lifestyle. The eight-year study of nearly 50,000 middle-age and elderly women -- by far the largest, most definitive test of cutting fat from the diet -- did not find any clear evidence that doing so reduced their risks, undermining more than a decade of advice from many doctors. The findings run contrary to the belief that eating less fat would have myriad health benefits, which had prompted health authorities to begin prominent campaigns to get people to eat less fat and the food industry to line grocery shelves with low-fat cookies, chips and other products. " Based on our findings, we cannot recommend that most women should follow a low-fat diet, " said Jacques Rossouw of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, which funded the $415 million study. Although the study involved only women, the findings probably apply to men as well, he said. Several experts cautioned, however, that the study hints that there still may be some benefits to reducing the total amount of fat in the diet, especially for breast cancer. In addition, there is clear evidence from this and other studies that particular fats -- saturated fats from meat and trans fats from processed foods -- are unhealthful and should be avoided. But the findings, being published today in three papers in the Journal of the American Medical Association, deflate the notion that a simple, easily communicated message of reducing overall fat intake would stave off a host of ills. " We set out to test a promising but unproven hypothesis that has proven to be less promising than we anticipated, " Rossouw said. " This is the nature of science: to have incremental gains and setbacks. We have a duty as scientists to put the best information out there at any given time, even if it can become confusing at times. " Skeptics said the findings confirm their long objections to the message that all fat is bad. That strategy may have diverted attention from much more effective approaches that differentiate between healthful and detrimental fats and may have contributed to the obesity epidemic because people worried more about how much fat they ate than how many calories they consumed, they said. " It was a mistake, and this study really confirms that it was the wrong direction to go for nutritional advice, " said Walter Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health. " It did do harm. It was a lost opportunity. People were given the idea that it was only fat calories that counted. This should be the nail in the coffin for low-fat diets. " Willett and other researchers fear that the findings will leave the public skeptical about all health advice, or will be misinterpreted to mean that diet and lifestyle are unimportant. A large and convincing body of evidence shows that eating a diet rich in fruits, vegetables and whole grains and low in saturated and trans fats; avoiding smoking; exercising regularly; and maintaining an appropriate weight have a powerful effect on health, they said. " There's a danger people will throw up their hands and say, 'Why should I believe anything else?' " Willett said. " But there is strong evidence that diet and lifestyle do make a big difference. " The findings stem from the Women's Health Initiative, which also shocked the medical establishment in 2002 when it showed that taking hormones not only did not protect the hearts of postmenopausal women but also was dangerous. For the new findings, researchers analyzed data from 48,835 women age 50 to 79 who joined the study between 1993 and 1998. About 40 percent were counseled to eat more fruits and vegetables and to cut their overall fat intake, with the goal of reducing their total fat consumption to no more than 20 percent of their daily calories. After about eight years, those women had cut their total fat from 35 to 38 percent to 24 to 29 percent on average, while the rest continued to consume about the same amount. The women on the low-fat diet had slightly lower levels of " bad " cholesterol -- low-density lipoprotein -- and blood pressure, but their risk of heart attack, stroke and heart disease was unaffected, one paper showed. There were indications, however, that women who cut down on saturated fat, or who ate more fruits and vegetables, did lower their risk. Similarly, when the researchers looked at colorectal cancer, the women who cut their fat intake had no decrease in risk, according to the second paper. But they were less likely to develop polyps that increase the risk, suggesting that a benefit may emerge later on, the researchers said. The third paper found that the low-fat diet also did not significantly decrease the risk of breast cancer. Women on the low-fat diet did have 9 percent fewer breast cancers, but researchers could not be sure that difference was not the result of chance. There were other encouraging hints, however, including signs that women who were consuming the most fat when the study began, or those prone to certain types of tumors, may benefit, especially if they were followed longer. " I think women who are currently following a low-fat diet should be encouraged to do so. We didn't see any unfavorable effects, " said Ross Prentice of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, who noted that the women on the diet also avoided gaining weight. " For women who are at high risk for breast cancer, they should talk it over with their physicians whether adopting a low-fat diet might be warranted. " But overall, the findings fell far short of warranting a broad recommendation for low-fat diets, several experts said. " We had hoped that this approach would prove to be beneficial, " said Barbara Howard of the MedStar Research Institute, who helped conduct the study. " I think we've learned that nutrition is never simple and there are no simple solutions. " © 2006 The Washington Post Company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Pat wrote: > ....This should be the nail in the coffin for low-fat diets. " ..... > After about eight years, those women had cut their total fat from 35 > to 38 percent to 24 to 29 percent on average, while the rest continued > to consume about the same amount. This study compared a very high fat diet to a high fat diet. Anyone can read work by Dr. Ornish and Dr McDougall and Dr Esselstein (spelled that wrong!) and see that a true low fat diet reverses heart disease and lowers cholesterol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 > Pat wrote: > > > ....This should be the nail in the coffin for low-fat diets. " ..... With respect, Pat did NOT say that - Pat simply sent along a current item on the subject but Pat's own comments were not those quoted in Laura's email. Pat's comments preceded the article were meant to sound a very skeptical note indeed. > This study compared a very high fat diet to a high fat diet. Anyone can > read work by Dr. Ornish and Dr McDougall and Dr Esselstein (spelled that > wrong!) and see that a true low fat diet reverses heart disease and > lowers cholesterol. But of course. No argument there. But please, do not say Pat said the article was 'a nail in the coffin for low-fat diets', okay? ;-) love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Hi Laura and others ;-) I've read several articles on the subject and will look through again to say who/what said which thing, but . . . and this is a big BUT - But I'm pretty sure I read that the people tested were already overweight/obese AND that there was no distinction made between animal fats and non-animal fats, transfats, etc. etc. etc. You get the picture. A column in The Globe And Mail warned people to ignore the latest 'findings' and to continue eating low-fat foods. But don't you just hate these bandwagons that come rolling along for people to climb on and roll off! Back to my non-fat muffins - and very good they are too! They won't cure me of anything I haven't got, but they won't add to my woes either. Love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 > > But of course. No argument there. But please, do not say Pat said the > article was 'a nail in > the coffin for low-fat diets', okay? ;-) > I'm sorry, Pat, I certainly didn't mean to quote you as saying that. I could blame it on the email program that automatically puts a " So-and-so-wrote " quote at the top of the page when I reply, but I can delete that. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 > > > But don't you just hate these bandwagons that come rolling along for > people to climb on > and roll off! Yes, I hate it! I have a dear friend who follows all of this and won't listen to me at all. I really can't blame her, why listen to some goofy broad when your doctor is telling you to buy canola oil and margarine and that dairy products make you lose weight? I'm not only losing faith in researchers, but some doctors who listen to these reports and don't read the fine print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 > > But please, do not say Pat said the > > article was 'a nail in > > the coffin for low-fat diets', okay? ;-) > > > I'm sorry, Pat, I certainly didn't mean to quote you as saying that. I > could blame it on the email program . . . 's'okay hon. I kinda knew that - somewhere inside what was passing for my head late last evening - but I had visions of someone coming along and reading that 'quote' from 'pat' and tying me to a stake and slowly broiling my toes! But hey, I do agree with you 100 per cent - more, if that were possible . Big hugs, pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Laura wrote: This study compared a very high fat diet to a high fat diet. Anyone can read work by Dr. Ornish and Dr McDougall and Dr Esselstein (spelled that wrong!) and see that a true low fat diet reverses heart disease and lowers cholesterol. ----- No, 24-29% is not a high fat diet. I've never seen it referred to as a high amount of fat (until now!), except perhaps by those who feel that fat is to be [almost] completely eliminated in the diet (Ornish et al). Based on my own reading, I would consider 24-29% to be a moderate amount of fat, and probably a fairly healthy one if the fats are healthier fats. It is strange that they didn't reduce fat more in the study. It doesn't seem like a difference of ~10% is enough to draw the conclusion that they did, and of course, a super low-fat diet might be different. Ornish's plan is difficult for most people in the real world to follow though. I don't see it catching on with the general population. Interestingly, I hit reply to the previous mail and tried to send it (twice)...and told me that no html was allowed - and I wasn't using html! So now I have to reformat the entire post if I want to send anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 > I have a dear friend who follows all of this and won't listen to me at > all. I really can't blame her, why listen to some goofy broad when your > doctor is telling you to buy canola oil and margarine and that dairy > products make you lose weight? Oh yeah. The old cottage cheese and yoghurt line. Been there, worn the T-shirt. For some reason the medical profession seems to feel reassured if we tell them that we eat a little dairy now and then. I have no problem with tentatively agreeing with this, since I probably DO that now and then away from home - when you don't quite know how the bread was made, or or or . . . But really, I want to sit down and give them a lecture. Unfortunately, no only would they not accept it from a layperson (and quite right - gotta have some standards ;-)) but they wouldn't have the time to listen anymore than they have the time to read everything that comes out. Our docs are sadly overworked. > I'm not only losing faith in researchers, but some doctors who listen to > these reports and don't read the fine print. Me too. Overworked or not, if one doesn't read the fine print one shouldn't advise. Btw, it's a sad comment - truly - but our last 2 doctors have been, quite by coincidence, vegetarian (I thought one was vegan, but turns out not) - and they STILL don't get it. love, pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Let's also not forget the huge dairy lobby, which spends millions of dollars annually convincing lawmakers and physicians that Americans (don't know about other countries) cannot live healthy lives without consuming dairy products. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Suzanne Day Lueer wrote: > > Based on my own reading, I would consider 24-29% to be a moderate amount > of fat, and probably a fairly healthy one if the fats are healthier fats. I used to think the same thing. For quite a few years we tried doing a Mediterranean type diet and used the so-called good fats like olive oil. Our diet was between 20 and 30 percent fat and our cholesterol levels were going up and I simply could not lose weight. For someone who is trying to reverse the buildup of plaque in their arteries, that is too much fat. Since I'm one of those people, I need to keep my intake at 10 percent or less, which isn't really difficult now that I know how. I agree it isn't for everybody, but I've already had three of my cousins on one side of the family die of heart attacks (at ages 42, 49, and 50! -- I am 47) and all of my elderly aunts and uncles have had at least one cardiac bypass surgery or stent procedure. I was scared and just kept looking for answers that didn't involve surgery. I have read (along with every diet and nutrition book I can find) Dr. Ornish and Dr. McDougall's books and also The China Study and am convinced that I'm on the right path to be as healthy as possible. There might not be much I can do about my genetics but I can do much with diet and exercise. My husband and I eat a diet that is between 5 and 10 percent fat, although he gets more at times because he eats in restaurants about once a month. We don't find it difficult to stick to this difficult at all, but changing over to it was the hardest thing I've ever done. Oh, and yes, my friends and family DO think I'm a freak! LOL Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 > Interestingly, I hit reply to the previous mail and tried to send it > (twice)...and told me that no html was allowed - and I wasn't > using html! So now I have to reformat the entire post if I want to send > anything. You would have added some message of your own, though - right? Is it possible that you inadvertently copied in something that was in html as part of your message? That's the only thing I can think of. Otoh, does have the most endearing little glitches, doesn't it? :-( Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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