Weight Loss, Exercise and Fat / was avocados!

April 17, 2006

>There is no data that

> demonstrates long term weight loss without

> exercise.

Which is pretty scary for those who are unable to exercise :-( Of course, it's

difficult to

avoid all exercise completely, unless one is immobilized . . . It's a matter of

degree, right?

> There also is no data that completely eliminating fat results in long

> term weight loss.

Well no one here was talking of completely eliminating fat. This is, however, a

*low*-fat

list and, since there are people here *because* it is a low-fat list (because

they require an

eating regime that includes little fat/oil), we ask all members to respect that

requirement.

There are other places in for fat-*free* (I can recommend an excellent one

run by

Susan Voisin - wonderful recipes! See

/)

and also other weight-loss groups that might normally include *more* or perhaps

*less*

fat in recipes than we do here. Each to his or her own, of course, but we don't

argue the

point ;-)

> As I understand it [this list] for Vegetarians or Vegans interested in weight

> loss.

Yes, and interested in doing it through a low-fat diet. We have always

encouraged exercise

for those who are able.

You know, I don't think we are in disagreement here - I just think we are both

saying much

the same thing, but from different perspectives. Perhaps we could move on? (Or,

out of

consideration for others, take it off list?)

Best love, Pat

April 17, 2006

veggiehound wrote:

>

> >There is no data that

> > demonstrates long term weight loss without

> > exercise.

>

> Which is pretty scary for those who are unable to exercise :-( Of

> course, it's difficult to

> avoid all exercise completely, unless one is immobilized . . . It's a

> matter of degree, right?

>

> > There also is no data that completely eliminating fat results in long

> > term weight loss.

>

> Well no one here was talking of completely eliminating fat. This is,

> however, a *low*-fat

> list and, since there are people here *because* it is a low-fat list

> (because they require an

> eating regime that includes little fat/oil), we ask all members to

> respect that requirement.

> There are other places in for fat-*free* (I can recommend an

> excellent one run by

> Susan Voisin - wonderful recipes! See

> /)

> </%29>

> and also other weight-loss groups that might normally include *more*

> or perhaps *less*

> fat in recipes than we do here. Each to his or her own, of course, but

> we don't argue the

> point ;-)

>

> > As I understand it [this list] for Vegetarians or Vegans interested

> in weight

> > loss.

>

> Yes, and interested in doing it through a low-fat diet. We have always

> encouraged exercise

> for those who are able.

>

> You know, I don't think we are in disagreement here - I just think we

> are both saying much

> the same thing, but from different perspectives. Perhaps we could move

> on? (Or, out of

> consideration for others, take it off list?)

>

> Best love, Pat

Low fat is indeed great. Which is why after the first post on Avocados,

unless someone wrote something prior to my presence, spoke of limiting

Avocados, to at most 1 a day, and preferably 1/2.

I'm sure most folks know it, but excess carbohydrates are converted into

lipids. It's amazing, I've seen people give " Jelly Beans " and say they

have no fat. The body does a great job rectifying it.

A little of my background. In the early 90s I weighed about 230, and am

5'4 " . I've been a vegetarian for about 30 years veganish most of those

years. I'm not the perfect vegan, but often are for periods. I will

sometimes eat some hidden dairy, but try to avoid it.

In any case, I came down with terrible anemia. No idea why. My father

has it, and he's far from a vegetarian.

They scopped me, stuck me, did all sorts of tests. Next they were

talking bone marrow, painful tests.

My ex wife suggested I go on a raw juice diet. I didn't go on that

exactly. I drank about a quart of raw veggie juice daily, and gave up

all cooked foods. I figured as long as I was doing that, I also gave up

coffee, and started swimming and recumbent biking.

A few months later, my blood was great, better than it ever was. Not

only for anemia, but all the levels.

The hematologist had no explanation, but insisted it couldn't be my

vegan, raw food, heavy juicing diet.

I started adding limited cooked food, and yes, very limited fats. The

weight dropped off. I started using a health club, and since I live in

Florida I saw many elderly and handicapped people going to the health

club each day. I saw these people were vital, and clearly this was a

fountain of youth.

The concept of who can exercise is everyone, to the extent they can.

As you point out, walking is a start for many.

There are aquatic programs for the handicapped. My X wife, did one

thing I really admired. She was an aquatic instructor, specializing in

seniors and handicapped people. They loved her programs.

The real dramatic change in my weight loss and redesign started with

weight training.

As I got in shape, part of my new goal became to promote a vegan diet.

At the gym I wondered why I couldn't look like the best, so when people

saw the dramatic change in a short man that was close to 100 pounds

overweight would ask, I could promote a vegan diet and lifestyle. I

worked out with vegan shirts. I went to Toastmasters clubs and promoted

a vegan lifestyle, never pushing it. Instead I would present

comparative anatomical charts of humans, the frugarious apes and

omnivores. The idea was to let the audience draw their own conclusion.

I requested documentation from my physician to join the National Weight

Control Registry so that I could provide a vegan slant on their data and

promote a vegan life style.

I'm positive that without being in great shape in my accident I would

have been much more badly hurt. While belted in, I had nerves cut along

osteophytes, with muscles preventing far worse damage. I could have

been paralyzed.

After my accident I started juicing daily again. I believe that helped

the nerves regenerate as best they could.

And yes, I always maintain a low fat diet.

April 17, 2006

Hi Bob,

What an inspiring story! I agree with everything you've said. When I

lost my weight with Weight Watcher's I quickly figured out that not all

the points were equal. I guess in my own way I was going the low fat,

lower carb, with my carbs coming from veggies, fruit, and high fiber

whole grains. I ate limited dairy, and lots of beans! I was aiming at

22 points a day and doing a very intense spinning workout at least 5 days

a week...and the weight training 2 days a week. The weight came off very

quickly...and I'm 53 years old! Some of my co-ww members were struggling

along religiously following their daily points, and exercising, but were

just not having the luck. But a lot of what they were eating was low

point snack type stuff... A point's worth of fruit or ff refried beans

is gonna help you lose faster than a point's worth of jelly beans! I am

firmly convinced of that!!!! I was not in on the avocado post, but I

should think 1/2 avocado to be a generous daily serving--love those

avocadoes--also I try to get in two tsp of olive oil a day since it is in

the WW guidelines.

Another thing about exercise for me is that it does something very nice

for my mental state. It makes me a happier person with more of a feeling

of ease and well-being. I've seen a lot of the seniors at our Y, too,

who love the water aerobics. A couple of them are even so disabled that

they have to be helped into the pool, but then when they get in they have

so much more movement they're able to do.

So happy to be a member of this group!

Paula

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:09:45 -0400 Bob C <rcomarow writes:

......Low fat is indeed great. Which is why after the first post on

Avocados,