fruitarian

[Guest guest]

thanks, bob. i am checking out the website as we speak. i do love

fruit, maybe i could start incorporating more of it into my diet.

[Guest guest]

Bob wrote:

 

>Many foods that we don't think of as fruits, are part of a fruitarian

diet.

 

And aren't bell peppers, tomatoes, okra, pumpkins, squash, cucumbers, etc. all

fruits, and

corn is a seed of course . . . Lots of things to eat - especially, as you have

said, if you

include the (few) non-fruits that *are* liked/tolerated. (I say this because I

understand that

there is some controversy about a completely fruitarian diet.) And of course

there are the

sweet fruits and berries, although they're rather likely to put weight on maybe.

 

Best love, Pat

[Guest guest]

Just hang in there, it will get easier. Years ago I

tried a macrobiotic diet, which is very bland to

someone like me raised in Los Angeles with spicy

mexican food. It was hard and extremely bland but

after about 30days I found that everything had a

robust taste (okay, except zucchini) that had been

hidden. Stic to it and don't feelto bad about the

dairy. It may be easier to stay where you are until

you can adjust to the veggies taste.

Pam

 

--- Sylvia <tinkerfag wrote:

 

> thanks, bob. i am checking out the website as we

> speak. i do love

> fruit, maybe i could start incorporating more of it

> into my diet.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat wrote:

 

> Bob wrote:

>

> >Many foods that we don't think of as fruits, are part of a fruitarian

> diet.

>

> And aren't bell peppers, tomatoes, okra, pumpkins, squash, cucumbers,

> etc. all fruits, and

> corn is a seed of course . . .

 

I'm not the expert on each. But corn is a seed. Pumpkins would seem.

Tomatoes are definitely

a fruit. I suspect you got them all correct.

 

 

> Lots of things to eat - especially, as you have said, if you

> include the (few) non-fruits that *are* liked/tolerated. (I say this

> because I understand that

> there is some controversy about a completely fruitarian diet.) And of

> course there are the

> sweet fruits and berries, although they're rather likely to put weight

> on maybe.

>

Calories always count. But there are no empty calories.

 

There really shouldn't be any controversy about a fruitarian diet, as

defined on their web site, with the

possible exception of B12. There are lots if fruitarians doing just fine.

 

If you add nuts for example, you can get plenty of protein and calcium.

Lots of fiber. And, as the baboons and other

cousins with the same digestive systems do just fine. I would

personally love add my mushrooms, tofu,

etc. Instead of a restrictive diet, think of it as freedom.

 

I went to some reviews of Fruitarians, and the Cons include " Weight Loss "

 

Here's an interesting view on Fruitarian Nutrition

 

http://www.fruitarian.com/ac/Basicinformatioabout%20nutrition.htm

 

Now, I'm not saying one must become one. Simply, I suggest Fruit can be

based on our structure, the foundation

for a very healthy, purifying diet. Just don't get caught up in feeling

restricted, or isolated.

 

Personally, I never believe we should let diet isolate us from the

friends and people we love. I've never gone someplace where I couldn't

find something to eat. It certainly might night be my first choice, but

we should not isolate our friends and family.

 

I learned to no longer say things like " I don't eat dead animals " , as it

was very hostile to others. If you get someone's hostility up, there's

no way they will ever move toward a vegetarian diet. Hostility,

confrontation, and the like

never won anyone over. People must believe something is there idea.

You can serve as a model, If Sue can do this, maybe I can consider it.

Appeal to persons motivations. Being a better human being is a very

powerful motivator.

 

Bob

 

 

 

Bob

 

 

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I'm not the expert on each. But corn is a seed. Pumpkins would seem.

> Tomatoes are definitely

> a fruit. I suspect you got them all correct.

 

Thank you ;-) Yes, and don't forget summer squash, zucchini, eggplant and and

and and .

.. . Anyway, I'm sure Sylvia gets the drift, although I rather suspect that what

is meant is a

dislike of all 'vegetables' - and in that term most of us, in casual usage,

include the non-

sweet non-citrus fruits. So it still could be a problem. However -

 

You did give me another thought though - fruits (the sweet kind) are generally

liked as a

group (even if some individual ones are not) and sometimes adding fruit, dried

or fresh, to

some veggies, makes them not only taste different but more palatable. The

above-ground

cruciforms for example - You can see a Kale With Raisins and Dried Apricots in

the Files -

and I can guarantee that is a winner combo. Likewise it works remarkably well

with

brussels sprouts and with cabbage - all cooked, of course, and the dried fruit

steamed up

with one of them. Apple often combines brilliantly with raw vegetables (I like

to use it that

way myself) as do orange segments, pineapple, etc. etc. - and the tastebuds seem

to focus

on the slightly sweet fruit rather than on the rest. (Understand, I like all

veggies, but for a

change . . . )

 

> There really shouldn't be any controversy about a fruitarian diet, as

> defined on their web site, with the

> possible exception of B12. There are lots if fruitarians doing just fine.

 

So I understand. But controversy exists all the same - of course the same is

true for

vegetarian and vegan diets LOL As long as we know we are including all nutrients

needed

we can afford to be complacent.

 

> If you add nuts for example, you can get plenty of protein and calcium.

 

Of course - easy to forget so good to mention for the record. Thanks. I am and

was

thinking of the conundrum as stated - gaining weight on a prescribed low-fat (or

was it

fat-free) diet. Nuts, avocadoes etc. would be out.

 

>. . baboons and other

> cousins . .

 

How nice to hear someone call them cousins without meaning a slur to one or the

other of

us ;-) In all this health talk, it is easy to overlook that a goodly number of

us, myself

included, are not vegetarians or vegans for health but for the sake of the

animals. That

must be respected too, and I thank you, even though of course we don't go into

that much

(because it is OT) on this list.

 

Best love, Pat

[Guest guest]

Pat wrote:

 

>

> > I'm not the expert on each. But corn is a seed. Pumpkins would seem.

> > Tomatoes are definitely

> > a fruit. I suspect you got them all correct.

>

> Thank you ;-) Yes, and don't forget summer squash, zucchini, eggplant

> and and and and .

> . . Anyway, I'm sure Sylvia gets the drift, although I rather suspect

> that what is meant is a

> dislike of all 'vegetables' - and in that term most of us, in casual

> usage, include the non-

> sweet non-citrus fruits. So it still could be a problem. However -

>

> You did give me another thought though - fruits (the sweet kind) are

> generally liked as a

> group (even if some individual ones are not) and sometimes adding

> fruit, dried or fresh, to

> some veggies, makes them not only taste different but more palatable.

> The above-ground

> cruciforms for example - You can see a Kale With Raisins and

 

I often add raisins to all kinds of dishes, it sweetens almost

anything. Even broccoli, tofu and

brown rice. Gives it that little zip. Even in salads.

 

Sadly, go into must restaurants you'll get mostly iceberg lettuce, which

is the least nutritious type of lettuce.

 

Collard Greens, which are kind of bitter raw are an incredible source of

many nutrients, including calcium.

 

 

> Dried Apricots in the Files -

> and I can guarantee that is a winner combo. Likewise it works

> remarkably well with

> brussels sprouts and with cabbage - all cooked, of course, and the

> dried fruit steamed up

> with one of them. Apple often combines brilliantly with raw vegetables

> (I like to use it that

> way myself) as do orange segments, pineapple, etc. etc. - and the

> tastebuds seem to focus

> on the slightly sweet fruit rather than on the rest. (Understand, I

> like all veggies, but for a

> change . . . )

 

\

Absolutely...

 

>

> > There really shouldn't be any controversy about a fruitarian diet, as

> > defined on their web site, with the

> > possible exception of B12. There are lots if fruitarians doing just

> fine.

>

> So I understand. But controversy exists all the same - of course the

> same is true for

> vegetarian and vegan diets LOL As long as we know we are including all

> nutrients needed

> we can afford to be complacent.

 

don't take this as medical advice, but it well worthwhile to have our

B12 levels checked. Not only for

vegetarians but anyone who eats a modern diet. After vitamins, Red Star

Yeast and sublingual B12

failed to raise my levels, I went for B12 shots. They were so annoying,

that the endocrinologist's nurse

gave me a 5 minute lesson, and now every few weeks I inject myself.

 

My father, not a vegetarian, also needs B12 boosters.

 

>

> > If you add nuts for example, you can get plenty of protein and calcium.

>

> Of course - easy to forget so good to mention for the record. Thanks.

> I am and was

> thinking of the conundrum as stated - gaining weight on a prescribed

> low-fat (or was it

> fat-free) diet. Nuts, avocadoes etc. would be out.

 

Nuts, especially raw, are great, but only in moderation.

 

 

> >. . baboons and other

> > cousins . .

>

> How nice to hear someone call them cousins without meaning a slur to

> one or the other of

> us ;-)

 

From a structural and chemical comparison, they are indeed our cousins.

And very loving animals as well.

 

> In all this health talk, it is easy to overlook that a goodly number

> of us, myself

> included, are not vegetarians or vegans for health but for the sake of

> the animals. That

> must be respected too, and I thank you, even though of course we don't

> go into that much

> (because it is OT) on this list.

 

It could also not be for health, but for your own benefit, spiritual.

The health is the side effect....

 

 

> Best love, Pat

>

>

>

Have fun,

 

Bob

 

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I often add raisins to all kinds of dishes, it sweetens almost

> anything. Even broccoli, tofu and

> brown rice. Gives it that little zip. Even in salads.

 

Yeah - and good for you too! ;-)

 

> Sadly, go into must restaurants you'll get mostly iceberg lettuce, which

> is the least nutritious type of lettuce.

 

I'd rather eat cellophane. Luckily, around here the restaurants (private, not

chains) serve a

lovely mix of salad greens and not the dreaded iceberg lettuce. Also other

varieties of

'salads', some with roasted veg tossed in too. Very imaginative - and I'm not a

huge salad

lover.

 

>it well worthwhile to have our

> B12 levels checked.

 

Good suggestion.

 

> It [vegetarianism] could also not be for health, but for your own benefit,

spiritual.

> The health is the side effect....

 

And a very nice side effect too LOL Yes, of course, I should have mentioned

spiritual/

religious. Insensitive of me to omit that today. And of course there are also

humanitarian

reasons - world hunger, etc., - and environmental reasons. I hope I've covered

it all now

;-)

 

Best love, Pat

[Guest guest]

Very wise and poignant words Bob. We need to get rid of the stereotype of

the whiny grumpy vegetarian. It's so far from the truth for most people!

 

On 5/3/06, Bob C <rcomarow wrote:

>

> Personally, I never believe we should let diet isolate us from the

> friends and people we love. I've never gone someplace where I couldn't

> find something to eat. It certainly might night be my first choice, but

> we should not isolate our friends and family.

>

> I learned to no longer say things like " I don't eat dead animals " , as it

> was very hostile to others. If you get someone's hostility up, there's

> no way they will ever move toward a vegetarian diet. Hostility,

> confrontation, and the like

> never won anyone over. People must believe something is there idea.

> You can serve as a model, If Sue can do this, maybe I can consider it.

> Appeal to persons motivations. Being a better human being is a very

> powerful motivator.

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Pat said, " And aren't bell peppers, tomatoes, okra, pumpkins, squash,

cucumbers, etc. all fruits, and corn is a seed of course . . . Lots of

things to eat - especially, as you have said, if you include the (few)

non-fruits that *are* liked/tolerated. (I say this because I understand

that there is some controversy about a completely fruitarian diet.) "

 

If seeds are okay on a fructarian diet, then quinoa, usually classified

with whole grains should qualify, since it is really a seed:

 

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/foods_view/0,1523,74,00.html

 

 

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