Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I was looking for soymilk yesterday (I have a problem with dairy) and was examining some brands on the shelf, reading all that nutritional data, and I never cease to be amazed at the variety - calories per cup can run from 40 to 120, fat varying considerably as does sugar (even, with sugar, in the unflavoured soymilks). There's a 'slim' variety I tried once but didn't see the point of - I thin out with water - but it would ensure that the proportion of supplemented vitamins and minerals remained constant. Oh - that reminds me to tell newbies that you should be able to find low-fat varieties of all your usual dairy and soy products. Tofu varies considerably too, and I'm always torn between the organic variety and the non- organic: available to me is a lovely organic extra-firm tofu which seems to have 1/3 more calories and more than twice as much fat as the non-organic brand, but the non-organic measures per 100 g. serving and the organic brand per 88 g. serving and somehow, in the middle of the supermarket, I'm never up to making those calculations in my head! They know that, of course. You'd think there'd be a standard, but no. Since I avoid dairy, I'm always having trouble finding a substitute for butter that contains neither casein (from milk), whey (by-product of cheesemaking), or gelatin (for newbie veggies, that's from dead animals). Seems they are bound and determined to put one of those in if they leave another out LOL Which reminds me of warning to look for gelatin in some yoghurts (ewwwww!) and I've heard of lanolin in soymilk but not seen it myself. Crazy world. In some parts of the world, of course, they label products vegetarian or vegan, and that would certainly be a blessing. Enough ranting from me - Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Pat wrote: > Since I avoid dairy, I'm always having trouble finding a substitute for > butter that contains > neither casein (from milk), whey (by-product of cheesemaking), or gelatin > (for newbie > veggies, that's from dead animals). Seems they are bound and determined to > put one of > those in if they leave another out LOL Which reminds me of warning to look > for gelatin in > some yoghurts (ewwwww!) and I've heard of lanolin in soymilk but not seen > it myself. > Crazy world. Margarine or spread labeled pareve won't contain any gelatin or milk by-products. (You should know, however, that other foods marked pareve may contain fish or eggs.) In some parts of the world, of course, they label products vegetarian or > vegan, and that > would certainly be a blessing. That's one reason I like visiting Great Britain! Annice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 > Margarine or spread labeled pareve won't contain any gelatin or milk > by-products. Thanks for that reminder - It will save me some time looking! Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 This statement is not always true You must read the labels Elite. On Behalf Of Pat Friday, May 26, 2006 9:15 AM Re: Differences in products > Margarine or spread labeled pareve won't contain any gelatin or milk > by-products. Thanks for that reminder - It will save me some time looking! Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Useful heads-up. Thanks! I've also been told that such products are not always vegan - I guess it's a matter of (guessing here) the rules being according to cultural/religious practice and not being required to adhere to 'vegan' as some practice it. Best love, Pat > This statement is not always true > You must read the labels > > Margarine or spread labeled pareve won't contain any gelatin or milk > > by-products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 There's a margarine type spread over here called Pure that is vegan and comes in three types - sunflower, soya or organic. Its quite nice but unfortunately probably only available over here (UK). We are lucky in having our food labelled vegetarian although most places don't label food vegan. They are gretting better at it though. When i was a vegan i spent hours shopping, reading all the ingredients. I can empathise! Laura x On 5/27/06, Pat <veggiehound wrote: > > Useful heads-up. Thanks! I've also been told that such products are not > always vegan - I > guess it's a matter of (guessing here) the rules being according to > cultural/religious > practice and not being required to adhere to 'vegan' as some practice it. > > Best love, Pat > > > > This statement is not always true > > You must read the labels > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Laura wrote: > We are lucky in having our food labelled vegetarian although most places > don't label food vegan. They are gretting better at it though. When i was > a vegan i spent hours shopping, reading all the ingredients. I can > empathise! Hi Laura, Yes I've just returned from the UK and rejoiced in shopping where everything - even bread products etc. - is clearly labelled vegetarian. And the availability of such a variety of vegetarian versions of all these quick products such as quiches, pizzas etc. (may be not strictly on topic on this list!). Here (Netherlands) is there no such thing as a vegetarian quiche (or at least I've not found one) and the only pizza type is Four Cheeses, and hoping that all the constituents are vegetarian. Of course the real answer is to avoid all these fast foods and make everything yourself - but it's sometimes useful to have them around! Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Oh Piers! Poor you. I didn't realise that these things could be so hard to get hold of in other countries. It does make me realise how lucky i am. I'll think twice before i moan about the lack of vegetarian options about from now on. Is there a mail order or online delivery place that could get you some interesting veggie food? There is quite a lot available in health food stores over here, although there isn't really a good one near me. Plus a few mail order companies that will send frozen or vacuum sealed foods by courier. Laura x On 5/31/06, Piers Clement <piers_clement wrote: > > Laura wrote: > > > We are lucky in having our food labelled vegetarian although most places > > don't label food vegan. They are gretting better at it though. When i > was > > a vegan i spent hours shopping, reading all the ingredients. I can > > empathise! > > Hi Laura, > > Yes I've just returned from the UK and rejoiced in shopping where > everything - even bread products etc. - is clearly labelled vegetarian. > And > the availability of such a variety of vegetarian versions of all these > quick > products such as quiches, pizzas etc. (may be not strictly on topic on > this > list!). Here (Netherlands) is there no such thing as a vegetarian quiche > (or > at least I've not found one) and the only pizza type is Four Cheeses, and > hoping that all the constituents are vegetarian. > > Of course the real answer is to avoid all these fast foods and make > everything yourself - but it's sometimes useful to have them around! Piers > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Laura wrote: > Oh Piers! Poor you. I didn't realise that these things could be so hard to > get hold of in other countries. It does make me realise how lucky i am. > I'll think twice before i moan about the lack of vegetarian options about > from now on. It's not as bad as it sounds and getting better - a popular middle-of-the-road restaurant chain now has a good vegetarian selection (2 or 3 choices) for all courses, and most restaurants have something to offer. Stores are much less vegetarian friendly than UK - but who wants all these pre-cooked over-processed items, full of additives and other harmful materials? Which reminds me, I recently heard on the BBC Food programme a piece about food and medicine suggesting that for certain conditions (e.g. arthritis) sunflower oil might not be the best choice - it is high in omega-6 fatty acids which tend to compete against the " good " omega-3 ones contained in (among other things) good old soya oil. Maybe the omega-3 and omega-6 controversy has already been discussed on this list - not sure now! Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Well, i think being able to eat out occasionally is important. Its good to share a meal with friends. So i'm glad the situation there is ok. There are still places over here that are terrible for vegetarians. I had the worst salad ever at a local restaurant recently. It was as though they made it them mashed it all up in their fists. Even the tomato was pulped. You're right though, we shouldn't rely on the pre-cooked over priced over processed stuff. Full of things we should avoid. On 5/31/06, Piers Clement <piers_clement wrote: > > Laura wrote: > > > Oh Piers! Poor you. I didn't realise that these things could be so hard > to > > get hold of in other countries. It does make me realise how lucky i am. > > I'll think twice before i moan about the lack of vegetarian options > about > > from now on. > > It's not as bad as it sounds and getting better - a popular > middle-of-the-road restaurant chain now has a good vegetarian selection (2 > or 3 choices) for all courses, and most restaurants have something to > offer. > Stores are much less vegetarian friendly than UK - but who wants all these > pre-cooked over-processed items, full of additives and other harmful > materials? > > Which reminds me, I recently heard on the BBC Food programme a piece about > food and medicine suggesting that for certain conditions (e.g. arthritis) > sunflower oil might not be the best choice - it is high in omega-6 fatty > acids which tend to compete against the " good " omega-3 ones contained in > (among other things) good old soya oil. Maybe the omega-3 and omega-6 > controversy has already been discussed on this list - not sure now! > > > Piers > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 > Tofu varies considerably too, and I'm always torn between the > organic variety and the non-organic: available to me is a lovely > organic extra-firm tofu which seems to have 1/3 more calories and > more than twice as much fat as the non-organic brand, but the > non-organic measures per 100 g. serving and the organic brand per 88 > g. serving and somehow, in the middle of the supermarket, I'm never > up to making those calculations in my head! They know that, of > course. You'd think there'd be a standard, but no. Oh that conundrum drives me crazy! However, I my cellphone broke and I just got a new one - it has a calculator in it. It seems like many of the newer models do, if that helps. > and I've heard of lanolin in soymilk but not seen it myself. Was the lanolin itself in teh soymilk? I though it was a lanolin-derived D3, in 8th continent brand, maybe others. Though I *think* I read they've switched to a veg D2, but I don't know for sure. I use unsweetened Silk anyway (which, perversely enough, is never available in the cheaper mulit-packs!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 > Which reminds me, I recently heard on the BBC Food programme a piece > about food and medicine suggesting that for certain conditions (e.g. > arthritis) sunflower oil might not be the best choice - it is high in > omega-6 fatty acids which tend to compete against the " good " omega-3 > ones contained in (among other things) good old soya oil. Maybe the > omega-3 and omega-6 controversy has already been discussed on this > list - not sure now! Piers, any more detail on this? I found the BBC food site but coouldn't find an article. My sister is on some medication for cancer and the side effect is arthritis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 > Was the lanolin itself in teh soymilk? I though it was a > lanolin-derived D3, in 8th continent brand, maybe others. Though I > *think* I read they've switched to a veg D2, but I don't know for > sure. Dunno either. But now that you mention it perhaps it *was* D3 derived from lanolin. I remember the brand name, so that's probably it. My error. Still, I wouldn't want to use D3 for that reason (getting fussy in my old age). Thanks for putting that straight. Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 , " Amy " <sandpiperhiker wrote: > > > Which reminds me, I recently heard on the BBC Food programme a piece > > about food and medicine suggesting that for certain conditions (e.g. > > arthritis) sunflower oil might not be the best choice - it is high in > > omega-6 fatty acids which tend to compete against the " good " omega-3 > > ones contained in (among other things) good old soya oil. Maybe the > > omega-3 and omega-6 controversy has already been discussed on this > > list - not sure now! > > Piers, any more detail on this? I found the BBC food site but > coouldn't find an article. My sister is on some medication for cancer > and the side effect is arthritis... > Sorry about the delay in replying but I was away for 2 weeks and went to special notices to avoid a full mailbox, and only now have made a start in reading the messages stored on the web. The programme I heard was about food and arthritis so it might be interesting for you in general - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/foodprogramme_20060528.shtml - you can listen to that edition (need Real Player) and there are also some links which may be useful. HTH - Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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