Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. My understanding is that eating fish is bad for you (and the fish) as it is high in cholesterol, and chemicals like arsenic, mercury, PCBs, DDT, dioxins, and lead in their flesh and fat. Farm raised fish is just plain bad for the environment(and of course, the fish.) , zen white <zenbaby7 wrote: > > Your name: Zen White > Your location: Daytona Beach, FL > How long a vegetarian: I'm not vegetarian, I'm pescatarian. > I eat fish for the health of it. > > > Cindi <cindi93069 wrote: Hi all ~ > Since it's the start of a new month and I know we have some new members, I thought a " roll call " would be in order so we know who all is here and where we're at. Another group I'm on does this on a semi-regular basis and I always liked the idea. > > So here we go... > > Your name: > Your location: > How long a vegetarian: > > I'll start... > Cindi > Davis, CA (just west of Sacramento) > Been strictly vegetarian almost 2 years now (Thanksgiving is my meat free anniversary!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Graham wrote: > I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. My understanding is > that eating fish is bad for you (and the fish) as it is high in > cholesterol, and chemicals like arsenic, mercury, PCBs, DDT, dioxins, > and lead in their flesh and fat. Farm raised fish is just plain bad > for the environment(and of course, the fish.) Putting on a different hat (and violating some of the rules of the list) I have to mention that especially oil rich fish is a good source of omega-3 fatty acids, and as a result of a changing health situation I have been persuaded to take small quantities of mackerel, sardines etc. from time to time. See this as a sort of medicine rather than a violation of vegetarian principles (though this brings up again the old topic, what about meds that are not vegetarian - gelatine in capsules etc.). Apart from that I remain true to the vegetarian principles (in fact I'm allergic to a lot of seafood so that rules it out anyway). Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 We take flax seed oil daily for our omegas. Cindi Piers Clement <piers_clement wrote: Putting on a different hat (and violating some of the rules of the list) I have to mention that especially oil rich fish is a good source of omega-3 fatty acids, and as a result of a changing health situation I have been persuaded to take small quantities of mackerel, sardines etc. from time to time. See this as a sort of medicine rather than a violation of vegetarian principles (though this brings up again the old topic, what about meds that are not vegetarian - gelatine in capsules etc.). Apart from that I remain true to the vegetarian principles (in fact I'm allergic to a lot of seafood so that rules it out anyway). Piers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I get my omega-3 from flaxseed. Sharon Piers Clement wrote: > > > Putting on a different hat (and violating some of the rules of the list) I > have to mention that especially oil rich fish is a good source of omega-3 > fatty acids, and as a result of a changing health situation I have been > persuaded to take small quantities of mackerel, sardines etc. from time to > time. See this as a sort of medicine rather than a violation of vegetarian > principles (though this brings up again the old topic, what about meds > that > are not vegetarian - gelatine in capsules etc.). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I've just started taking flaxseed oil in capsule format. I hadn't remembered to check to see if the capsules are made of animal-based gelatin--I'll have to do that... On 11/2/06, Cindi <cindi93069 wrote: > > We take flax seed oil daily for our omegas. > Cindi > > Piers Clement <piers_clement <piers_clement%40planet.nl>> wrote: > Putting on a different hat (and violating some of the rules of the list) I > have to mention that especially oil rich fish is a good source of omega-3 > fatty acids, and as a result of a changing health situation I have been > persuaded to take small quantities of mackerel, sardines etc. from time to > time. See this as a sort of medicine rather than a violation of vegetarian > principles (though this brings up again the old topic, what about meds > that > are not vegetarian - gelatine in capsules etc.). > > Apart from that I remain true to the vegetarian principles (in fact I'm > allergic to a lot of seafood so that rules it out anyway). > > Piers > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Graham said, " I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. " While the Omega 3 fatty acids available from fatty fish like salmon gets touted for health benefits, you do not need to eat fish to get this same benefit. Omega 3 essential fatty acids are readily available in flax seeds (better ground than whole to actually get the nutrients) and walnuts. I think other nuts have some of this nutrient to a lesser degree. It is also available in sea weed. (Where the fish get it to begin with!) Since I don't consistently use flax seeds, I take a vegan DHA supplement, made from seaweed and in soft veggie caps. It is available from Vegan Essentials, online. ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ from Maida Citizens for Pets in Condos, Inc. www.petsincondos.org - a Florida non-profit corporation South Florida Vegetarian Events www.soflavegevents.net Discovery Toys Educational Consultant <http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/GrandmaM> http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/GrandmaM <http://www.vistaprint.com/vp/gateway.aspx?S=5176697856> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 so many things to remember, aren't there? :-) We just put a tablespoon in a bit of juice and take it that way. Some people add it to a salad as part of the dressing, etc. You can get it in liquid form in the refrigerated area of health food stores or grocery stores that have a good supplimental/natural area. Cindi Andrew <awerling wrote: I've just started taking flaxseed oil in capsule format. I hadn't remembered to check to see if the capsules are made of animal-based gelatin--I'll have to do that... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 " (and the fish) " Sounds like you are trying to put me down for my believes. " (and of course, the fish.) " I have been nice to you all and I think I deserve the same. Graham <graham wrote: I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. My understanding is that eating fish is bad for you (and the fish) as it is high in cholesterol, and chemicals like arsenic, mercury, PCBs, DDT, dioxins, and lead in their flesh and fat. Farm raised fish is just plain bad for the environment(and of course, the fish.) , zen white wrote: > > Your name: Zen White > Your location: Daytona Beach, FL > How long a vegetarian: I'm not vegetarian, I'm pescatarian. > I eat fish for the health of it. > > > Cindi wrote: Hi all ~ > Since it's the start of a new month and I know we have some new members, I thought a " roll call " would be in order so we know who all is here and where we're at. Another group I'm on does this on a semi-regular basis and I always liked the idea. > > So here we go... > > Your name: > Your location: > How long a vegetarian: > > I'll start... > Cindi > Davis, CA (just west of Sacramento) > Been strictly vegetarian almost 2 years now (Thanksgiving is my meat free anniversary!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 No put down intended. I don't want to start a flame war. I just see no reason for the killing of animals. I have never heard of any health benefits for us and certainly not them. The Omega 3 postings (flax & nuts) are important. Certainly the " fish is brain food " theory " of the 50's has finally been understood to be Omega 3. If I have been a lout expressing my concern, I apologize to those upset. However, I prefer to see the fish swimming in what remains of our oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. , zen white <zenbaby7 wrote: > > " (and the fish) " > Sounds like you are trying to put me down for my believes. " (and of course, the fish.) " > I have been nice to you all and I think I deserve the same. > > Graham <graham wrote: I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. My understanding is > that eating fish is bad for you (and the fish) as it is high in > cholesterol, and chemicals like arsenic, mercury, PCBs, DDT, dioxins, > and lead in their flesh and fat. Farm raised fish is just plain bad > for the environment(and of course, the fish.) > > , zen white wrote: > > > > Your name: Zen White > > Your location: Daytona Beach, FL > > How long a vegetarian: I'm not vegetarian, I'm pescatarian. > > I eat fish for the health of it. > > > > > > Cindi wrote: Hi all ~ > > Since it's the start of a new month and I know we have some new > members, I thought a " roll call " would be in order so we know who all > is here and where we're at. Another group I'm on does this on a > semi-regular basis and I always liked the idea. > > > > So here we go... > > > > Your name: > > Your location: > > How long a vegetarian: > > > > I'll start... > > Cindi > > Davis, CA (just west of Sacramento) > > Been strictly vegetarian almost 2 years now (Thanksgiving is my > meat free anniversary!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I am a new member but just wanted to say that I saw no put downs or loutish behaviour here at all, and I appreciate all the views expressed, and agree totally with what Graham has said on this subject. And of course eating fish is bad for the fish, how could it be otherwise? :-(. Humans do not need animal flesh (fish included) to survive, and even if I was told tomorrow that I needed to eat salmon, chicken, beef or whatever, for medical reasons, I would have to say " tough, I will find another way " . If others choose to see it differently, so be it, but this is a vegetarian list, so the views expressed will of course be mainly those of strict vegetarians, which does not include the eating of fish. I think it needs to be remembered that a vegetarian is a vegetarian, be they ovo, lacto, or whatever, and someone who eats fish is not a vegetarian. I have a family member who is a pescatarian but calls himself a vegetarian, this is something that really bothers me because it causes so many misconceptions in the omnivorish world ( " oh, I thought vegetarians ate fish " . " vegetarians eat fish, it is vegans that don't " ) and I am constantly frustrated when eating out to find salmon, shrimp, seafood etc under the " vegetarian option " . But that is another issue entirely. I am sorry to weigh in here but it is something I feel strongly about and while I am not knocking anyone personally, as a member of a vegetarian list, I cannot be surprised if people express views that appear to be gently anti-the-eating-of-fish (and not personal at all, but about the effects of fish eating generally), but I am sure there was no offence intended, just as there is none with this post, and I apologise in advance, if it is read differently. Carolyn _____ On Behalf Of Graham 03 November 2006 03:03 Re: Say hello! " PESCATARIAN????? " No put down intended. I don't want to start a flame war. I just see no reason for the killing of animals. I have never heard of any health benefits for us and certainly not them. The Omega 3 postings (flax & nuts) are important. Certainly the " fish is brain food " theory " of the 50's has finally been understood to be Omega 3. If I have been a lout expressing my concern, I apologize to those upset. However, I prefer to see the fish swimming in what remains of our oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hi I just wanted to stress that my previous post was not meant to have a go at anyone and I am aware Zen, that you are not calling yourself a vegetarian - my comments were not intended for you personally, nor to take sides, just to express my views. I really shouldn't write posts when I am having insomniac moments at 4.00 am and my brain is not entirely in gear - not that it ever entirely is of course :-). Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I forgive you. I guess my energy was just low last night. I just thing we should respect each other and there believes. I am who I am and I don’t need anyone trying to change me. But then again, I need to develop thicker skin. I have lived in a very protective society and I’m not use to the bullies of the world. Namaste, Zen Graham <graham wrote: No put down intended. I don't want to start a flame war. I just see no reason for the killing of animals. I have never heard of any health benefits for us and certainly not them. The Omega 3 postings (flax & nuts) are important. Certainly the " fish is brain food " theory " of the 50's has finally been understood to be Omega 3. If I have been a lout expressing my concern, I apologize to those upset. However, I prefer to see the fish swimming in what remains of our oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. , zen white wrote: > > " (and the fish) " > Sounds like you are trying to put me down for my believes. " (and of course, the fish.) " > I have been nice to you all and I think I deserve the same. > > Graham wrote: I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. My understanding is > that eating fish is bad for you (and the fish) as it is high in > cholesterol, and chemicals like arsenic, mercury, PCBs, DDT, dioxins, > and lead in their flesh and fat. Farm raised fish is just plain bad > for the environment(and of course, the fish.) > > , zen white wrote: > > > > Your name: Zen White > > Your location: Daytona Beach, FL > > How long a vegetarian: I'm not vegetarian, I'm pescatarian. > > I eat fish for the health of it. > > > > > > Cindi wrote: Hi all ~ > > Since it's the start of a new month and I know we have some new > members, I thought a " roll call " would be in order so we know who all > is here and where we're at. Another group I'm on does this on a > semi-regular basis and I always liked the idea. > > > > So here we go... > > > > Your name: > > Your location: > > How long a vegetarian: > > > > I'll start... > > Cindi > > Davis, CA (just west of Sacramento) > > Been strictly vegetarian almost 2 years now (Thanksgiving is my > meat free anniversary!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Description WELCOME! VEGETARIAN HEALTH AND SLIMMING is a place for vegetarians, vegans, and all those interested in following a vegetarian diet to share healthy recipes and to discuss issues related to health and diet. Come and join us, and be prepared for a spectacular journey through a feast of culinary delights! Who said low-fat food has to be boring? I think this is a group about health and diet. Not to get into other peoples believes. We all have then. Yours are right for you but you don't need to force them on other people. I hope you can get back the the subject at hand. Dieting!! Carolyn <veggiekat wrote: I am a new member but just wanted to say that I saw no put downs or loutish behaviour here at all, and I appreciate all the views expressed, and agree totally with what Graham has said on this subject. And of course eating fish is bad for the fish, how could it be otherwise? :-(. Humans do not need animal flesh (fish included) to survive, and even if I was told tomorrow that I needed to eat salmon, chicken, beef or whatever, for medical reasons, I would have to say " tough, I will find another way " . If others choose to see it differently, so be it, but this is a vegetarian list, so the views expressed will of course be mainly those of strict vegetarians, which does not include the eating of fish. I think it needs to be remembered that a vegetarian is a vegetarian, be they ovo, lacto, or whatever, and someone who eats fish is not a vegetarian. I have a family member who is a pescatarian but calls himself a vegetarian, this is something that really bothers me because it causes so many misconceptions in the omnivorish world ( " oh, I thought vegetarians ate fish " . " vegetarians eat fish, it is vegans that don't " ) and I am constantly frustrated when eating out to find salmon, shrimp, seafood etc under the " vegetarian option " . But that is another issue entirely. I am sorry to weigh in here but it is something I feel strongly about and while I am not knocking anyone personally, as a member of a vegetarian list, I cannot be surprised if people express views that appear to be gently anti-the-eating-of-fish (and not personal at all, but about the effects of fish eating generally), but I am sure there was no offence intended, just as there is none with this post, and I apologise in advance, if it is read differently. Carolyn _____ On Behalf Of Graham 03 November 2006 03:03 Re: Say hello! " PESCATARIAN????? " No put down intended. I don't want to start a flame war. I just see no reason for the killing of animals. I have never heard of any health benefits for us and certainly not them. The Omega 3 postings (flax & nuts) are important. Certainly the " fish is brain food " theory " of the 50's has finally been understood to be Omega 3. If I have been a lout expressing my concern, I apologize to those upset. However, I prefer to see the fish swimming in what remains of our oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Graham, An educated, polite reply. Well said! Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 IMHO I do not believe that it is fair to label someone a bully, because of a difference of opinion. It's time to move on from this subject. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 well said. welcome Carolyn! Beth Carolyn <veggiekat wrote: I am a new member but just wanted to say that I saw no put downs or loutish behaviour here at all, and I appreciate all the views expressed, and agree totally with what Graham has said on this subject. And of course eating fish is bad for the fish, how could it be otherwise? :-(. Humans do not need animal flesh (fish included) to survive, and even if I was told tomorrow that I needed to eat salmon, chicken, beef or whatever, for medical reasons, I would have to say " tough, I will find another way " . If others choose to see it differently, so be it, but this is a vegetarian list, so the views expressed will of course be mainly those of strict vegetarians, which does not include the eating of fish. I think it needs to be remembered that a vegetarian is a vegetarian, be they ovo, lacto, or whatever, and someone who eats fish is not a vegetarian. I have a family member who is a pescatarian but calls himself a vegetarian, this is something that really bothers me because it causes so many misconceptions in the omnivorish world ( " oh, I thought vegetarians ate fish " . " vegetarians eat fish, it is vegans that don't " ) and I am constantly frustrated when eating out to find salmon, shrimp, seafood etc under the " vegetarian option " . But that is another issue entirely. I am sorry to weigh in here but it is something I feel strongly about and while I am not knocking anyone personally, as a member of a vegetarian list, I cannot be surprised if people express views that appear to be gently anti-the-eating-of-fish (and not personal at all, but about the effects of fish eating generally), but I am sure there was no offence intended, just as there is none with this post, and I apologise in advance, if it is read differently. Carolyn _____ On Behalf Of Graham 03 November 2006 03:03 Re: Say hello! " PESCATARIAN????? " No put down intended. I don't want to start a flame war. I just see no reason for the killing of animals. I have never heard of any health benefits for us and certainly not them. The Omega 3 postings (flax & nuts) are important. Certainly the " fish is brain food " theory " of the 50's has finally been understood to be Omega 3. If I have been a lout expressing my concern, I apologize to those upset. However, I prefer to see the fish swimming in what remains of our oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Agreed. Time to move on folks! Happy Friday! Cindi ~ moderator kleelibby wrote: IMHO I do not believe that it is fair to label someone a bully, because of a difference of opinion. It's time to move on from this subject. Karen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Zen You got no more than you deserved. - zen white Friday, November 03, 2006 4:36 AM Re: Re: Say hello! " PESCATARIAN????? " I forgive you. I guess my energy was just low last night. I just thing we should respect each other and there believes. I am who I am and I don't need anyone trying to change me. But then again, I need to develop thicker skin. I have lived in a very protective society and I'm not use to the bullies of the world. Namaste, Zen Graham <graham wrote: No put down intended. I don't want to start a flame war. I just see no reason for the killing of animals. I have never heard of any health benefits for us and certainly not them. The Omega 3 postings (flax & nuts) are important. Certainly the " fish is brain food " theory " of the 50's has finally been understood to be Omega 3. If I have been a lout expressing my concern, I apologize to those upset. However, I prefer to see the fish swimming in what remains of our oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. , zen white wrote: > > " (and the fish) " > Sounds like you are trying to put me down for my believes. " (and of course, the fish.) " > I have been nice to you all and I think I deserve the same. > > Graham wrote: I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. My understanding is > that eating fish is bad for you (and the fish) as it is high in > cholesterol, and chemicals like arsenic, mercury, PCBs, DDT, dioxins, > and lead in their flesh and fat. Farm raised fish is just plain bad > for the environment(and of course, the fish.) > > , zen white wrote: > > > > Your name: Zen White > > Your location: Daytona Beach, FL > > How long a vegetarian: I'm not vegetarian, I'm pescatarian. > > I eat fish for the health of it. > > > > > > Cindi wrote: Hi all ~ > > Since it's the start of a new month and I know we have some new > members, I thought a " roll call " would be in order so we know who all > is here and where we're at. Another group I'm on does this on a > semi-regular basis and I always liked the idea. > > > > So here we go... > > > > Your name: > > Your location: > > How long a vegetarian: > > > > I'll start... > > Cindi > > Davis, CA (just west of Sacramento) > > Been strictly vegetarian almost 2 years now (Thanksgiving is my > meat free anniversary!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hey now ~ Can we please end this thread? Let's all be civil, even if there are things about posters we don't like/disagree with. People don't have to be 100% vegetarian to be in this group and those that aren't should respect those that are, and vice versa. This group should be a safe place for all who are looking for healthy veg options, whether in entirity or to supplement/balance their diet. Thanks! Cindi, moderator Ralph <rsole wrote: Zen You got no more than you deserved. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Here here!! This is not the first time that members have taken things personally and out of context! This is about trying to eat vegetarian and healthfully with lots of support! - kleelibby Friday, November 03, 2006 3:16 AM Re: Re: Say hello! " PESCATARIAN????? " IMHO I do not believe that it is fair to label someone a bully, because of a difference of opinion. It's time to move on from this subject. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 how sweet you are Ralph <rsole wrote: Zen You got no more than you deserved. - zen white Friday, November 03, 2006 4:36 AM Re: Re: Say hello! " PESCATARIAN????? " I forgive you. I guess my energy was just low last night. I just thing we should respect each other and there believes. I am who I am and I don't need anyone trying to change me. But then again, I need to develop thicker skin. I have lived in a very protective society and I'm not use to the bullies of the world. Namaste, Zen Graham wrote: No put down intended. I don't want to start a flame war. I just see no reason for the killing of animals. I have never heard of any health benefits for us and certainly not them. The Omega 3 postings (flax & nuts) are important. Certainly the " fish is brain food " theory " of the 50's has finally been understood to be Omega 3. If I have been a lout expressing my concern, I apologize to those upset. However, I prefer to see the fish swimming in what remains of our oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. , zen white wrote: > > " (and the fish) " > Sounds like you are trying to put me down for my believes. " (and of course, the fish.) " > I have been nice to you all and I think I deserve the same. > > Graham wrote: I was not aware of any health benefits of fish. My understanding is > that eating fish is bad for you (and the fish) as it is high in > cholesterol, and chemicals like arsenic, mercury, PCBs, DDT, dioxins, > and lead in their flesh and fat. Farm raised fish is just plain bad > for the environment(and of course, the fish.) > > , zen white wrote: > > > > Your name: Zen White > > Your location: Daytona Beach, FL > > How long a vegetarian: I'm not vegetarian, I'm pescatarian. > > I eat fish for the health of it. > > > > > > Cindi wrote: Hi all ~ > > Since it's the start of a new month and I know we have some new > members, I thought a " roll call " would be in order so we know who all > is here and where we're at. Another group I'm on does this on a > semi-regular basis and I always liked the idea. > > > > So here we go... > > > > Your name: > > Your location: > > How long a vegetarian: > > > > I'll start... > > Cindi > > Davis, CA (just west of Sacramento) > > Been strictly vegetarian almost 2 years now (Thanksgiving is my > meat free anniversary!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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