Eat to Live 6 week plan

[Guest guest]

OK, I'm back from my travels and ready to really get started with

this. Have been very successful with dropping all m**ts from my diet

(started this about 5/14). Did not really know how to do this, picked

up the above named book and gosh it all really makes sense to me.

Effective today, I will begin the 6 wk plan w/o dairy, eggs, limited

starchy breads and veges.... This will definately be more difficult

for me to stay on program. I dropped the M**ts for other issues but

seems I am convinced that it is necessary for healty issues. I need to

lose about 60 pounds, have high blood pressure and now high cholesterol

and borderline on my blood sugar.

 

I have 2 boys under the age of 12 and a DH that still want/need my off

limit foods (my 8 yr old is is barely 50 pounds and skinny). After

reading this book, it really makes it hard to continue letting them eat

many foods that I allowed in the past. I'm not sure how to supplement

to them @ this time yet keep them healthy too.

 

Any tips or success stories would be greatly appreciated. Also, what

are YOUR favorite magazines or books on the vegetarian cooking/health.

 

Thanks!

Valerie

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Dr. Fuhrman says to allow the kids/thin people to have more grains,

nuts and seeds than we can have so they won't lose weight. I think he

says it's okay for them to have some fat free milk/yogurt and

chicken, too.

 

Maryann

 

 

, " Valerie " <bvwagner

wrote:

>

> OK, I'm back from my travels and ready to really get started with

> this. Have been very successful with dropping all m**ts from my

diet

> (started this about 5/14). Did not really know how to do this,

picked

> up the above named book and gosh it all really makes sense to me.

> Effective today, I will begin the 6 wk plan w/o dairy, eggs,

limited

> starchy breads and veges.... This will definately be more

difficult

> for me to stay on program. I dropped the M**ts for other issues

but

> seems I am convinced that it is necessary for healty issues. I

need to

> lose about 60 pounds, have high blood pressure and now high

cholesterol

> and borderline on my blood sugar.

>

> I have 2 boys under the age of 12 and a DH that still want/need my

off

> limit foods (my 8 yr old is is barely 50 pounds and skinny). After

> reading this book, it really makes it hard to continue letting them

eat

> many foods that I allowed in the past. I'm not sure how to

supplement

> to them @ this time yet keep them healthy too.

>

> Any tips or success stories would be greatly appreciated. Also,

what

> are YOUR favorite magazines or books on the vegetarian

cooking/health.

>

> Thanks!

> Valerie

>

[Guest guest]

> Dr. Fuhrman says to allow the kids/thin people to have more grains,

> nuts and seeds than we can have so they won't lose weight. I think he

> says it's okay for them to have some fat free milk/yogurt and

> [animal protein item] too.

 

The amount of animal protein that Dr Fuhrman names is very very small

indeed - since he doesn't consider it very healthy and, in any case I

wouldn't want to start or encourage a me*t discussion her at all. I'd think

that the added grains should be fine for adults to maintain their weight.

(My own dh has to eat more of them than do I in order to maintain weight)

And by grains, of course, Dr F means whole grains and foods made from

wholewheat flour not refined products. I can't speak about what is

suitable for children, since if Fuhrman discusses it I must have skipped

it LOL But I can't think that a healthy vegan diet would be any harm to

a child - just not a weight-loss diet such as Fuhrman's 6-week plan,

perhaps Being 'skinny' is not a sign of ill health on its own - indeed,

many would suggest quite the opposite.

 

The trick for our member is not to be tempted by the foods that her

family still wants (as she says) and, in their view, 'need' while she is

doing Fuhrman's 6-week plan. Don't have an answer for that one, I'm

afraid: my husband is a determined vegan who insists that the healthier

the diet the better he likes it - and we are empty-nesters - no practical

use to you at all

 

Love, Pat

[Guest guest]

> OK, I'm back from my travels and ready to really get started with

> this.

 

Welcome back, hon, and good luck with your new eating plan! You'll

be in the second day of it now - how's it going? Seems like a lot of

veggies at first, doesn't it LOL

 

> Have been very successful with dropping all m**ts from my diet

> (started this about 5/14). Did not really know how to do this, picked

> up the above named book and gosh it all really makes sense to me.

 

I agree, the book is excellent. I just reread it a few weeks ago, and I

was startled with how sensible and consistent it is.

 

> I dropped the M**ts for other issues but

> seems I am convinced that it is necessary for healty issues.

 

Me too I became vegetarian and then vegan for what people call

'ethical' reasons (as if other reasons were unethical, for heaven's sake!),

but have (hold on to your hats, those of you who have known me for

years and years!) come to believe that the health reasons are incredibly

important too. It's not enough for me to just be vegan any more -

I must be a _healthy_ vegan, and changing my diet this last six months

to one absolutely chockablock full of veggies and fruits, more than I

ever ate before, has made me feel better than I have done in decades.

 

> I need to

> lose about 60 pounds, have high blood pressure and now high cholesterol

> and borderline on my blood sugar.

 

All good reasons to do the diet, eh? Good luck with it - and let us know

how you're going! Day by day, if you feel like it

 

> I have 2 boys under the age of 12 and a DH that still want . . .

 

I think I have commented on this elsewhere.

 

> Also, what

> are YOUR favorite magazines or books on the vegetarian cooking/health.

 

Well, I've already mentioned mine in a post last week, but I'll be happy to

repeat them here: Fuhrman (as you know), McDougall's _The McDougall Plan_,

Campbell's _The China Study_, Barnard (lots of books, but _Eat Right, Live

Longer_ is an early one and a goody and so is _Turn Off The Fat Gene_),

Robbins' _Diet for a New America_ and _May All Be Fed: Diet for a New World_,

Walford's _The 120-Year Diet_ and _The Anti-Aging Plan_, Singer's _The Way We

Eat_,

Ornish's _Program For Reversing Heart Disease_.

 

Not ALL the above are vegan or even veggie (eg Fuhrman, Walford) but all 'plans'

can be easily adapted and the others are good reading and of definite interest

to us.

 

Enough blithering. Again, good luck, Valerie!

 

Love, Pat

[Guest guest]

Thank you all! Day 2 is going fine for me, the kids did not like

their lunch though. I guess the hard part for me is that I started

this with the idea that this is my decision and that I could cook,

offer more me**tless options for the family but pretty much life goes

on as usual for the rest of them. Was not thinking vegan at the

time - just vegetarian.

 

Again, I struggled with the ethical issues for years before something

clicked allowing me to say " no more " for me. My husband thought I

was nuts! But after getting this book and being amazed at what I

read, I started reading lots of it out loud to him. He is changing

his opinion based on health concerns. He is away at a conference

with meals pre-planned but I am thrilled that he is calling me and

asking if he can eat this or that..... nice to not only have his

support but now his participation.

 

I'm just not sure how to handle the children's meals. I have this

conviction and I suppose the only way I can live with my beliefs are

to convert the kids too. They have been so picky in the past - I'm

afraid I will really have some battles now. Of course they have

always loved bean burritos, pasta dishes... day by day I suppose!

 

Valerie

[Guest guest]

Why are we not allowed to discuss what Dr. Fuhrman says about animal

protein in the book when someone asks, and why is the word meat

considered a curse word when it's not? And if she just read the book,

she knows that grains mean whole grains.

 

Maryann

 

 

, " Pat " <drpatsant

wrote:

>

> > Dr. Fuhrman says to allow the kids/thin people to have more

grains,

> > nuts and seeds than we can have so they won't lose weight. I

think he

> > says it's okay for them to have some fat free milk/yogurt and

> > [animal protein item] too.

>

> The amount of animal protein that Dr Fuhrman names is very very

small

> indeed - since he doesn't consider it very healthy and, in any

case I

> wouldn't want to start or encourage a me*t discussion her at all.

I'd think

> that the added grains should be fine for adults to maintain their

weight.

> (My own dh has to eat more of them than do I in order to maintain

weight)

> And by grains, of course, Dr F means whole grains and foods made

from

> wholewheat flour not refined products. I can't speak about what is

> suitable for children, since if Fuhrman discusses it I must have

skipped

> it LOL But I can't think that a healthy vegan diet would be any

harm to

> a child - just not a weight-loss diet such as Fuhrman's 6-week plan,

> perhaps Being 'skinny' is not a sign of ill health on its own -

indeed,

> many would suggest quite the opposite.

>

> The trick for our member is not to be tempted by the foods that her

> family still wants (as she says) and, in their view, 'need' while

she is

> doing Fuhrman's 6-week plan. Don't have an answer for that one, I'm

> afraid: my husband is a determined vegan who insists that the

healthier

> the diet the better he likes it - and we are empty-nesters - no

practical

> use to you at all

>

> Love, Pat

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - I'm going to deal with your questions in order, and I'll try to keep my

answers to the minimum for fear of boring you silly!

 

> Why are we not allowed to discuss what Dr. Fuhrman says about animal

> protein in the book when someone asks

 

This is a vegetarian group, and such discussions of the eating of animal

flesh is off-topic here, simply put. (Also, the member did not ask if she

could add animal flesh to the Fuhrman diet but wondered how to get her

family to have enough healthy food while she was on Dr Fuhrman's 6-week

plan without their losing weight too. That's a different thing.)

 

>and why is the word meat

> considered a curse word when it's not?

 

LOL Well, strictly the word me*t is not a curse word. It is, however, offensive

to many vegetarians to name animal flesh as if it were food when it's not. In

any case, see my answer above

 

>And if she just read the book,

> she knows that grains mean whole grains.

 

True, but everyone here (and messages go to all) has not necessarily

read the book, let alone read it recently, and many do not know of the

Fuhrman diet. I was clarifying my meaning for everyone's benefit, not

just for one or two members. It was not a comment on your post but

on the earlier part of my own post. I was/am interested in this sort of

a dilemma which many members encounter when they are the only

veggies in a household, and was trying to take part in the discussion.

 

Okay? No problem with me, but you do sound a little upset. Please

don't be. No one was criticizing you, or the member to whom you

replied, or anyone else!

 

As for the member's dilemma, happily it seems to be resolving itself

very nicely as far as her dh is concerned! I cheered out loud when

I read that there are now two of them interested in and concerned

about good nutrition in the family! Don't you think that's great??? Wow!

 

Smiling all the way about all this!

 

Love, Pat

[Guest guest]

I did E2L for several months. It was my first attempt at being a vegan

after being vegetarian for years. I must say, I felt better than I have

ever felt. I followed his book to the letter, even eliminating all salt,

which was difficult at first. I lost a LOT of weight quickly and felt

wonderful. I eat almost E2L today, but I have added back my beloved nonfat

lattes (oh how I grew to miss those!)

 

The best discovery for me - and what helped me stay on the plan - was making

salad/veggie dressings with the extra soft tofu. Using a blender, I mixed

the tofu with various vinaigrettes (sp?) and seasonings (the Mrs. Dash ones

worked great). This made great dips and dressings.

 

If I can give up the lattes, I hope to one day follow a vegan diet. I turn

to Furman's book as a reference all the time...great book!

 

Kara

 

 

-

" Maryann " <njitaliana

 

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:20 AM

Re: " Eat to Live " 6 week plan

 

 

> Hi,

>

> Dr. Fuhrman says to allow the kids/thin people to have more grains,

> nuts and seeds than we can have so they won't lose weight. I think he

> says it's okay for them to have some fat free milk/yogurt and

> chicken, too.

>

> Maryann

[Guest guest]

Pat wrote:

>

> [...] I can't speak about what is suitable for children, since if

Fuhrman discusses it I must have skipped it

 

I'm new to all this but just happened to surf to the Fuhrman site,

having been made curious by all this discussion, and found a page with

the encouraging title " What You Need to Know About Vegetarian or Vegan

Diets - Following a strict vegetarian diet is not as important as

eating a diet rich in fruits and vegetables. " There is one paragraph

headed " Is a vegetarian diet safe for children? " and the following,

even more encouraging, " The real question: Is an omnivorous diet safe

for children? "

 

http://drfuhrman.com/library/article5.aspx

 

Piers

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, you got it! Also the book relates through the studies that he

feels often the stage is set for early disease from food choices

during the time that we have them as parents! That is my concern

because I expected to be able to make changes for ME and not impose

on my family. But after reading this book I feel I cannot continue

to let my family eat certain things or at minimum I should severly

limit them.

 

I'm sure others have encountered this same situation with older

children - we just aren't hearing from them on this site. I've

surfed some on the web too looking for info to ease the transition

for children but just not finding anything so far. I suppose some of

the pre-packaged foods that look similar to foods they are used to

eating may help with the transition. I'm sure if I keep looking I

will find helpful info. I just want to be sensitive to their

concerns yet implement what I believe to be positive changes to their

diet.

 

This is really proving to be a life changing book for our family!

 

Val

 

 

In , " Piers Clement "

<piersalgarve wrote:....

found a page with the encouraging title " What You Need to Know About

Vegetarian or Vegan Diets - Following a strict vegetarian diet is not

as important as eating a diet rich in fruits and vegetables. " There

is one paragraph headed " Is a vegetarian diet safe for children? " and

the following, even more encouraging, " The real question: Is an

omnivorous diet safe for children? "

>

> http://drfuhrman.com/library/article5.aspx

>

> Piers

>