Why You Became Vegetarian / was thanks for the welcome

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> I didn't see if anyone answered your question

> yet. Here's my answer: to get into better

> health. . . .

 

I see I didn't answer it either Sorry about

that. So here goes:

 

You understand, this is a rather personal thing -

but you did ask. I became vegetarian because it

seemed unnecessary (to me) and improper (again,

to me) to eat the flesh of any creature. Much

much later I considered the health benefits were

pretty good too I have switched to a

plant-based diet the last few years - again

because it was obvious to me that humans are the

one species on the planet who want milk after

infancy - and the milk of other species at that -

despite the fact that it is unnecessary and

undesirable to themselves and to the animals that

they should consume it. So dairy went out of my

diet. The eggs were dropped (heh heh) more

quickly - again for personal philosophical

reasons.

 

I guess I'm what some call an 'ethical

vegetarian/vegan' in that I do not do it for

health - or for religion - or for aesthetic

reasons. I must add, however, with regard to the

last that I now find the sight and smell of dead

flesh, raw or cooked, to be absolutely

off-putting (oh those grill restaurants and those

TV commercials!), as is discussion of it. Concern

for the environment, lately, has also been an

added incentive to encourage others to become

vegetarian. But I dislike the term 'ethical'

vegan because it suggests in a way that those who

do not eat as I do are somehow unethical (I am

not able to make that kind of judgement) although

is not intended to do so.

 

Dunno if this helps at all <shrug>

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

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If I had realized how easy it would be to be vegetarian, I probably

would have chosen to be one for ethical reasons back when I was a

teenager. However, I was very shy and awkward, even with my parents

and could never have pushed anything that they might have objected

too. And Dad was a farm boy . . . My mom was very concerned about me

getting enough iron, as I was always anemic. I was also really

concerned about developing an eating disorder. So I didn't do it back

then.

 

I eventually went vegetarian after I was married when my body started

rejecting meat. I would have a taco or something like that, and spend

three days throwing up. Not very pleasant. Once I connected it with

specific products, it wasn't hard to give them up! I had to start

looking at how to prepare meals without red meat, and pretty quickly

went vegan.

 

I switched back to lacto-ovo a few years back to help my son; but then

last month we made the switch to gluten-free, casein-free, so again we

are off of dairy. I am still cooking with eggs - I am not going to

try to adjust gluten-free baking recipes yet, I am still learning how

to bake without gluten.

 

Pam

 

On Dec 4, 2007 9:45 AM, Patricia Sant <drpatsant wrote:

>

> > I didn't see if anyone answered your question

> > yet. Here's my answer: to get into better

> > health. . . .

>

> I see I didn't answer it either Sorry about

> that. So here goes:

>

> You understand, this is a rather personal thing -

> but you did ask. I became vegetarian because it

> seemed unnecessary (to me) and improper (again,

> to me) to eat the flesh of any creature. Much

> much later I considered the health benefits were

> pretty good too I have switched to a

> plant-based diet the last few years - again

> because it was obvious to me that humans are the

> one species on the planet who want milk after

> infancy - and the milk of other species at that -

> despite the fact that it is unnecessary and

> undesirable to themselves and to the animals that

> they should consume it. So dairy went out of my

> diet. The eggs were dropped (heh heh) more

> quickly - again for personal philosophical

> reasons.

>

> I guess I'm what some call an 'ethical

> vegetarian/vegan' in that I do not do it for

> health - or for religion - or for aesthetic

> reasons. I must add, however, with regard to the

> last that I now find the sight and smell of dead

> flesh, raw or cooked, to be absolutely

> off-putting (oh those grill restaurants and those

> TV commercials!), as is discussion of it. Concern

> for the environment, lately, has also been an

> added incentive to encourage others to become

> vegetarian. But I dislike the term 'ethical'

> vegan because it suggests in a way that those who

> do not eat as I do are somehow unethical (I am

> not able to make that kind of judgement) although

> is not intended to do so.

>

> Dunno if this helps at all <shrug>

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

> ----

> Dr Patricia M. Sant

> http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

> Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld

> Vegetarian Spice:

> Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming

> Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada

> 'To cultivate kindness is a valuable part of the business of life.'

> Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

>

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[Guest guest]

Pat,

This is interesting to me as we are approaching the end result for completely

different reasons. I was one of those 'unethical' vegetarians (LOL) in that I

wanted to ingest a healthy diet, but didn't have a particular objection for

consuming animal products. The amazing thing to me is that I am starting to be

repulsed at the thought/sight of consuming flesh. I am drifting towards a vegan

diet (consuming eggs/milk/cheese much less than I used to), but don't know if

I'll ever get there.

Marie

 

 

Patricia Sant <drpatsant

 

Tuesday, December 4, 2007 7:45:02 AM

Re: Why You Became Vegetarian / was thanks for the

welcome

 

> I didn't see if anyone answered your question

> yet. Here's my answer: to get into better

> health. . . .

 

I see I didn't answer it either Sorry about

that. So here goes:

 

 

 

I guess I'm what some call an 'ethical

vegetarian/vegan' in that I do not do it for

health - or for religion - or for aesthetic

reasons. I must add, however, with regard to the

last that I now find the sight and smell of dead

flesh, raw or cooked, to be absolutely

off-putting (oh those grill restaurants and those

TV commercials! ), as is discussion of it.

 

 

But I dislike the term 'ethical'

vegan because it suggests in a way that those who

do not eat as I do are somehow unethical (I am

not able to make that kind of judgement) although

is not intended to do so.

 

Dunno if this helps at all <shrug>

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

 

 

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It's pretty disgusting stuff, that's for sure.

But it's

something omnivores don't understand. They think

we (you and me, and others like us) actually MISS

the stuff. (I do miss the convenience of being

able

to walk into any cafe or restaurant and order

anything,

within reason, on the menu, but that's quite

another

thing.)

 

As for your tendency towards veganism, if that's

going

to happen it will happen in its own good time.

For some

it's quick, for others less so, and for some it

just doesn't

work for whatever reason. We all do what we have

to do.

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

> This is interesting to me as we are approaching

> the end result for completely different

> reasons. . . . The

> amazing thing to me is that I am starting to be

> repulsed at the thought/sight of consuming

> flesh.

 

----

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http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld

Vegetarian Spice:

Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming

Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada

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The most common misunderstanding I find from omnis is that you need animal

products for protein and calcium. First, we¹ve been misled to think we need

more of those nutrients than we actually do. But secondly, I remind them

that if there is enough protein and calcium in plants to grow elephants,

giraffes and hippopotami then there ought to be enough to grow human beings.

 

I find it funny, too, that people are overly concerned now that I¹m vegan

that I might not be getting enough nutrients from my diet ‹ yet all those

years when I was pigging out on absolute junk, no one was the least bit

concerned about the nutritional content of my food.

 

Anna

 

 

On 5/12/07 1:13 PM, " Patricia Sant " <drpatsant wrote:

 

> ... omnivores don't understand. They think we (you and me, and others like us)

> actually MISS the stuff.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I find it funny, too, that people are overly concerned now that I¹m vegan

> that I might not be getting enough nutrients from my diet ‹ yet all those

> years when I was pigging out on absolute junk, no one was the least bit

> concerned about the nutritional content of my food.

 

Ain't that the bitter truth, though!!! LOL Keep that thought - it keeps you sane

and eating

well, unlike the nay-sayers who try to lure you back to the junk!

 

Huge hugs, Pat

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone, I have been a lurker but couldn't resist putting my two cents worth

in. I became a vegan because animal products seem to make my arthritis worse.

I'm talking serious pain here. I can keep it under control better if I just stay

away from anything that may even have a little bit of animal products in it. I

do think fondly of Cottage Cheese and ice cream every now and again, butr I

never give in. Judy

 

s3ld3rs

Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:14:52 -0800

Re: Re: Why You Became Vegetarian / was thanks for

the welcome

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pat,

 

This is interesting to me as we are approaching the end result for completely

different reasons. I was one of those 'unethical' vegetarians (LOL) in that I

wanted to ingest a healthy diet, but didn't have a particular objection for

consuming animal products. The amazing thing to me is that I am starting to be

repulsed at the thought/sight of consuming flesh. I am drifting towards a vegan

diet (consuming eggs/milk/cheese much less than I used to), but don't know if

I'll ever get there.

 

Marie

 

 

 

 

 

Patricia Sant <drpatsant

 

 

 

Tuesday, December 4, 2007 7:45:02 AM

 

Re: Why You Became Vegetarian / was thanks for the

welcome

 

 

 

> I didn't see if anyone answered your question

 

> yet. Here's my answer: to get into better

 

> health. . . .

 

 

 

I see I didn't answer it either Sorry about

 

that. So here goes:

 

 

 

I guess I'm what some call an 'ethical

 

vegetarian/vegan' in that I do not do it for

 

health - or for religion - or for aesthetic

 

reasons. I must add, however, with regard to the

 

last that I now find the sight and smell of dead

 

flesh, raw or cooked, to be absolutely

 

off-putting (oh those grill restaurants and those

 

TV commercials! ), as is discussion of it.

 

 

 

But I dislike the term 'ethical'

 

vegan because it suggests in a way that those who

 

do not eat as I do are somehow unethical (I am

 

not able to make that kind of judgement) although

 

is not intended to do so.

 

 

 

Dunno if this helps at all <shrug>

 

 

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

 

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Hi Judy,

 

My mother had severe arthritis, and it looks like I'm due to inherit it. So

with any luck, being vegan may help keep mine in check! Thanks for the

info.

 

Anna

 

 

On 6/12/07 2:16 AM, " Judy Herman " <j_herman53 wrote:

 

> Hi everyone, I have been a lurker but couldn't resist putting my two cents

> worth in. I became a vegan because animal products seem to make my arthritis

> worse. I'm talking serious pain here. I can keep it under control better if I

> just stay away from anything that may even have a little bit of animal

> products in it. I do think fondly of Cottage Cheese and ice cream every now

> and again, butr I never give in. Judy

[Guest guest]

Hi Anna, I sympathize with you. If you are receptive to a bit of advice, in my

experience even a little taste of animal products will result in a full blown

episode. Good luck and I know you will do fine. Judy

 

 

rodstruelove

Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:34:27 +1100

Re: Re: Why You Became Vegetarian / was thanks for

the welcome

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Judy,

 

 

 

My mother had severe arthritis, and it looks like I'm due to inherit it. So

 

with any luck, being vegan may help keep mine in check! Thanks for the

 

info.

 

 

 

Anna

 

 

 

On 6/12/07 2:16 AM, " Judy Herman " <j_herman53 wrote:

 

 

 

> Hi everyone, I have been a lurker but couldn't resist putting my two cents

 

> worth in. I became a vegan because animal products seem to make my arthritis

 

> worse. I'm talking serious pain here. I can keep it under control better if I

 

> just stay away from anything that may even have a little bit of animal

 

> products in it. I do think fondly of Cottage Cheese and ice cream every now

 

> and again, butr I never give in. Judy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I¹ve been vegan since February and I don¹t see myself turning back. So it

would have to come in something where I wasn¹t aware of it. I¹ll be very

vigilant! LOL

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Anna

 

 

On 7/12/07 11:44 AM, " Judy Herman " <j_herman53 wrote:

>

> Hi Anna, I sympathize with you. If you are receptive to a bit of advice, in my

> experience even a little taste of animal products will result in a full blown

> episode. Good luck and I know you will do fine. Judy

>

>

> <%40>

> rodstruelove <rodstruelove%40dodo.com.au>

> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:34:27 +1100

> Re: Re: Why You Became Vegetarian / was thanks

> for the welcome

>

> Hi Judy,

>

> My mother had severe arthritis, and it looks like I'm due to inherit it. So

>

> with any luck, being vegan may help keep mine in check! Thanks for the

>

> info.

>

> Anna

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am trying to cook vegetarian meal but find

its difficult choosing a good recipe, and not

making it too rich for flavour as I need

to loose weight. Too much meat is not a

good thing, but these days if good

vegatable combinations are not found, then cheese and pasta seem to be an

easy choice, not very healthy,

and that was my aim when I decided to

make changes.

Jean.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jean, there are a lot of recipes over at www.fatfreevegan.com which

might work for you. Since they're vegan, there wouldn't be any cheese

in them. I've liked most everything I have tried from the site and

I've been losing weight as well.

 

Angela

www.dailydealalert.net

 

 

, Jean Archer <jean2k3k

wrote:

>

> I am trying to cook vegetarian meal but find

> its difficult choosing a good recipe, and not

> making it too rich for flavour as I need

> to loose weight. Too much meat is not a

> good thing, but these days if good

> vegatable combinations are not found, then cheese and pasta seem to

be an

> easy choice, not very healthy,

> and that was my aim when I decided to

> make changes.

> Jean.

[Guest guest]

[Edited by moderator]

 

I have RA and cronic GRDS if I don't watch what I eat. I don't eat

[animal flesh] but for a Thanks giving potluck I made a large [animal flesh]

with

customery veggies, as it was all of my grown children's favorites.

There was quite a bit of the [animal flesh] left so i took it home and froze it

in small helpings along with the vegetables and gravy.

 

Have been GERDing for 2 weeks (started unfreezing some of it about 2

weeks ago and adding it to my menue.) I will throw out the rest. had

to eat oatmeal broth for the past 3 days and now back on veggies.

The RA also flared but since the oat broth seems to have neutralized

some of the toxan in my system, as flare subsiding and I can walk a

little.

 

so what can I say... back to VEGETABLES AND FRUIT AND SOME GRAINS and

a bit of [animal flesh] and eggs, milk if take enzymes and the most part

away from [animal flesh] and processed foods as much as possible. Nearly all

processed foods seem to contain MSG which I have a problem. Always

read the labels for ingredients.

 

> Hi Anna, I sympathize with you. If you are receptive to a bit of

advice, in my experience even a little taste of animal products will

result in a full blown episode. Good luck and I know you will do

fine. Judy