Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 WARNING! Sparrow wrote: > I keep fancy rats as pets and they absolutely > love avocado. I don't > know for mice, but perhaps that is the treat > that will finally lure > your furry little unwanted houseguest into the > live trap? I understand that rats are the *exception* to the warning that no pets should be fed avocado since it is poisonous to them. From one site: " The avocado is very dangerous to all animals Ð the fruit, leaves, stem, and pit are all considered toxic parts of the plant. The toxic substance in the Avocado is called persin, which is a fatty acid derivative. Although poisonous to both cats and dogs, this plant is particularly deadly to birds. This is also a proven poison to various other types of animals including: goats, sheep, horses, cattle, rabbits and even fish! Ingestion of the avocado plant can lead to cardiovascular problems, and often results in death. This plant is highly toxic, and in animals symptoms can range vomiting, diarrhea, respiratory distress, generalized congestion, fluid accumulation around the heart, and heart failure. The avocado is deadly and should not be fed to any pet under any circumstances. " See: http://www.bdnhumanesociety.com/householddangers.htm Therefore, presuming that Geoff wants to catch the mouse alive out of compassion for its life rather than the pleasure of tormenting it, I would suggest he find another kind of bait. I wish I could help with a suggestion. I do understand that they like apples and carrots, however. Good luck!!!! Love and hugs, Pat ---- Dr Patricia M. Sant http://beanvegan.blogspot.com Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld Vegetarian Spice: Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada 'To cultivate kindness is a valuable part of the business of life.' Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 On 1/8/08, Patricia Sant <drpatsant wrote: > > Therefore, presuming that Geoff wants to catch > the mouse alive out of compassion for its life > rather than the pleasure of tormenting it, I > would suggest he find another kind of bait. Do you think mice and rats are that different? *does a bit of research* Several sites lump rat and mice care together and suggest avocados. These include the site of the American Fancy Rat and Mouse Association and The Rat and Mouse Club of America. This Purdue University page about avocados says: " Avocados have no major insect enemies in Florida but migrating cedar waxwings feed on leaves, flowers and very young fruits and the fruits are commonly attacked by squirrels, rats and mice. " and later says that the unripe flesh and the seeds are poisonous to mice. http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/avocado_ars.html One site I stumbled across in researching talked about humane trapping and advised against peanut butter, almond butter, etc. because rats and mice are unable to vomit and can choke themselves on thick paste foods. (I don't give my rats nut butters but I did have a wild rat once that kept sneaking into my kitchen and eating my almond butter.) <:3_)~ <:3_)~ <:3_)~ <:3_)~ <:3_)~ Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Thanks very much, Pat. Isn't that another great example of why experimenting on animals doesn't always result in benefits for humans? Imagine a vivisectionist discovering avocado is poisonous to the control rats and thus declaring that fruit as off limits for humans too. Thanks too Sparrow for suggesting changing the new plastic smell of the trap. I hadn't thought of that one. Geoff , Patricia Sant <drpatsant wrote: > > WARNING! > > Sparrow wrote: > > > I keep fancy rats as pets and they absolutely > > love avocado. I don't > > know for mice, but perhaps that is the treat > > that will finally lure > > your furry little unwanted houseguest into the > > live trap? > > I understand that rats are the *exception* to the > warning that no pets should be fed avocado since > it is poisonous to them. From one site: > " The avocado is very dangerous to all animals Ð > the fruit, leaves, stem, and pit are all > considered toxic parts of the plant. The toxic > substance in the Avocado is called persin, which > is a fatty acid derivative. Although poisonous to > both cats and dogs, this plant is particularly > deadly to birds. This is also a proven poison to > various other types of animals including: goats, > sheep, horses, cattle, rabbits and even fish! > Ingestion of the avocado plant can lead to > cardiovascular problems, and often results in > death. This plant is highly toxic, and in animals > symptoms can range vomiting, diarrhea, > respiratory distress, generalized congestion, > fluid accumulation around the heart, and heart > failure. The avocado is deadly and should not be > fed to any pet under any circumstances. " > See: > http://www.bdnhumanesociety.com/householddangers.htm > > Therefore, presuming that Geoff wants to catch > the mouse alive out of compassion for its life > rather than the pleasure of tormenting it, I > would suggest he find another kind of bait. I > wish I could help with a suggestion. I do > understand that they like apples and carrots, > however. Good luck!!!! > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > ---- > Dr Patricia M. Sant > http://beanvegan.blogspot.com > Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld > Vegetarian Spice: > Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming > Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada > 'To cultivate kindness is a valuable part of the business of life.' > Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) > > > ____________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 > Thanks very much, Pat. Isn't that another great > example of why > experimenting on animals doesn't always result > in benefits for humans? There are so many examples! About the avocado, I have actually seen places on the net where they mention mashed avocado for mice (I think mice, not rats). Perhaps it's the unripe avocado that is toxic, or only toxic in large quantities, or only really the seed and leaves toxic but the advisors are playing safe, or whatever. I truly don't know. I just know that after reading avocado is unsafe for pets I do not let either of my little dogs have even a smidgin of it. (Not that they got much before - it's too fatty for one of them and I try to keep their treats equal. Besides, their mom and dad like them too much.) Back to your post: Down with vivisectionists. It's a grotesque practice. (I'm a Shavian at heart.) Pleased that you're posting more, Geoff. It's always good to hear from you. I know you're busy, but drop in when you can, okay? Love and hugs, Pat ---- Dr Patricia M. Sant http://beanvegan.blogspot.com Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld Vegetarian Spice: Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada 'To cultivate kindness is a valuable part of the business of life.' Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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