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Good grief! Find a new nutritionist. Don't waste your time with this lady.

 

Pam

 

On Jan 23, 2008 7:24 AM, Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose wrote:

I had my second visit with the health educator at my clinic.

> Twenty-one hours later, I still feel exhausted and disheartened. I

> couldn't even manage the energy to exercise today.

>

> I got the results of the second fasting blood sugar test (needed to

> confirm the diagnosis of diabetes. It was 185 (down from 199, probably

> because I increased my exercise between the two tests.) So that's a

> confirmation of diabetes and the instructor told me I must never again

> eat beans, I must never again eat rice (even brown rice) because they

> have too many carbs. She told me she wanted me to eat ground beef five

> times a day - nasty wet ground beef at that because she wants me to

> cook it and then wash it in a colander under hot water. I physically

> shuddered when she told me that and cried out for her to stop talking

> because I was going to be sick from thinking about wet beef every day

> for all my meals.

>

> She also put me on the scale and even though I was wearing the exact

> same outfit that I had on last time she weighed me, the scale said I'd

> only lost 1.5 pounds in the last month. My home scale says I've lost

> eight pounds in the same time period. I don't know what to believe.

> All this effort for 1.5 pounds in four weeks? Goodbye motivation.

> *sigh*

>

> Needless to say, I am going to be ignoring her advice about eating

> soggy beef all day. I can't believe that she thinks beans and rice are

> awful for diabetics when even the Mayo Clinic advises diabetics to go

> vegetarian!

> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes/AN00845

>

> She went through my food logs and pretty much told me that everything

> I was eating was wrong and I have to stop eating it. Other than the

> wet beef, she never told me what I *should* be eating. I finally told

> her (honestly) that I couldn't commit to any particular food without

> my husband there because he is the one who sets the budget and decides

> what we can and cannot afford at the grocery.

>

> She agreed to another meeting in two weeks where she and I will meet

> first and then we will all three (she, my husband, and me) meet

> together afterward.

>

> Now here's the one bright spot in my day. I came out of her office and

> told my husband what happened and he is angry with her and eager for

> the chance to set her straight. He even asked me to print out the Mayo

> Clinic articles about vegetarianism and diabetes and a few other

> medical journal articles I have on the same topic (such as this one:

> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/78/3/610S) so that he can be

> fully informed about the facts before he confronts her.

>

> My non-vegetarian husband is going to bat for me and my vegetarian

> eating, bless his little carnivore heart!

>

> I also see the diabetes specialist in about two weeks. She's

> apparently just going to do a urine test and that's it. I'm going to

> ask her about getting home testing equipment because it's ridiculous

> that I'm supposed to get my blood sugar under control with diet and

> exercise but I never know what my blood sugar actually is!

>

> In the meantime, I'm trying to stay calm and trying to re-discover the

> motivation I've had for so long that all went out the window today (I

> even have a new workout DVD and am not getting excited about trying it

> out like I usually am with a new DVD.)

>

> And I'm making millet, garbanzos and cauliflower for dinner tomorrow,

> carbs be darned!

>

> Sparrow -- frustrated, discouraged, but still here

>

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On 1/23/08, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>

> Good grief! Find a new nutritionist. Don't waste your time with this lady.

 

I don't have any choice. I'm on medicaid and this clinic is the only

place that takes the medical card so I'm stuck with the lifestyle

" educator " and the diabetes " specialist " (who has never discussed diet

or exercise with me even once) if I want to get my diabetes treated.

The other choice is to stay home and refuse any medical treatment

(which would mean I couldn't get my other medication, either.)

 

Sparrow

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That sucks Sparrow...to put it lightly. :-)

I'm glad you have backup coming to your aid with lots of good info & facts for

your next meeting.

Cindi

 

Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose wrote: I

don't have any choice. I'm on medicaid and this clinic is the only

place that takes the medical card so I'm stuck with the lifestyle

" educator " and the diabetes " specialist " (who has never discussed diet

or exercise with me even once) if I want to get my diabetes treated.

The other choice is to stay home and refuse any medical treatment

(which would mean I couldn't get my other medication, either.)

 

Sparrow

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I just re-read this Sparrow and say that she wants you to eat beef (ick) 5 times

a DAY!!! not just a week *shudder* - I hope your DH can get her to see sense.

 

Oh and a friend of mine over here in the UK was told to INCREASE her rice (cut

down on potato) and CUT DOWN red meat and if possible go vegetarian!

 

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Food_and_recipes/Recipes/Recipes_Li\

sting/?page=1

 

www.diabetes.org.uk for some more ideas

 

 

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On 1/23/08, Cindi <cindi93069 wrote:

>

> That sucks Sparrow...to put it lightly. :-)

> I'm glad you have backup coming to your aid with lots of good info

> & facts for your next meeting.

 

Thanks, Cindi.

 

I'm really impressed that he's so eager to help me with this, because

he is not a vegetarian and even secretly admits to me that he thinks

it is " silly " but he supports me in it. I guess I didn't realize just

how much he really does support me if he's willing to learn more about

vegetarian nutrition so he can help me get the results I want and need

from my " medical team. "

 

Sparrow

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On 1/23/08, The Dragon <dragonsteeluk wrote:

>

> I just re-read this Sparrow and say that she wants you to eat

> beef (ick) 5 times a DAY!!! not just a week *shudder* - I hope

> your DH can get her to see sense.

 

Thanks. If he can't, I'm going to have to start lying to her about

what I'm eating and I hate to lie. I'm a lousy liar, too.

 

> Oh and a friend of mine over here in the UK was told to INCREASE her

> rice (cut down on potato) and CUT DOWN red meat and if possible go

> vegetarian!

>

>

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Food_and_recipes/Recipes/Recipes_Li\

sting/?page=1

>

> www.diabetes.org.uk for some more ideas

 

Thanks for the links!!

 

Sparrow

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Yuck. Is this " educator " a nutritionist? Can you do one visit to a

nutritionist and take his recommendations back to the educator? The advice

that she is giving doesn't even match up with the Diabetes Exchange System.

The point is not to avoid carbs, it is to keep carbs balanced with proteins

and fats throughout the day. You are still allowed 6-11 servings of

starches every day! If you followed her advice, you'd go into ketosis,

which is very bad!

 

Sheesh! I want to come and give her a talking to!

 

Pam

 

On Jan 23, 2008 10:10 AM, Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose wrote:

 

> On 1/23/08, pdw <pdworkman <pdworkman%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> >

> > Good grief! Find a new nutritionist. Don't waste your time with this

> lady.

>

> I don't have any choice. I'm on medicaid and this clinic is the only

> place that takes the medical card so I'm stuck with the lifestyle

> " educator " and the diabetes " specialist " (who has never discussed diet

> or exercise with me even once) if I want to get my diabetes treated.

> The other choice is to stay home and refuse any medical treatment

> (which would mean I couldn't get my other medication, either.)

>

> Sparrow

>

>

 

 

 

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On 1/23/08, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>

> Yuck. Is this " educator " a nutritionist?

 

She's a lifestyle coach . . . and I know that she just got her

bachelor's degree in May because she was in my English class at

university.

 

> Can you do one visit to a

> nutritionist and take his recommendations back to the educator?

 

If I step outside of the system, I have to pay out of pocket and right

now I have $3 to last until the First of February. I think

nutritionists cost a *bit* more than that.

 

> The advice

> that she is giving doesn't even match up with the Diabetes Exchange System.

 

The advice she's giving doesn't match up to anything I've ever seen

for diabetics! And I've seen a lot because most of my family has or

had diabetes. I've never - until now - heard of a person with diabetes

being told to never eat beans!

 

> Sheesh! I want to come and give her a talking to!

 

She needs something, that's for sure!

 

My husband said that he's going to insist that she put all her

recommendations in writing. If she does, and writes this stupid stuff,

he's going to take it to her supervisor. If she refuses to put her

recommendations in writing, he's going to go to her supervisor and

tell them the stuff she's been saying and that she refuses to put her

directions in writing so that I can properly understand and follow

them.

 

I expect to be standing back in awe when he confronts her. There are

times when I think my husband missed his calling and should have been

a lawyer!

 

Sparrow

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---- pdw <pdworkman wrote:

> Good grief! Find a new nutritionist. Don't waste your time with this lady.

>

> Pam

Sparrow, Pam's suggestion sounds good to me! I know just how you feel.

When I was suffering from Gaul stone attacks causing a lot of throwing up and

GIRDS, I was told they’ (the doc's}found nothing wrong with me and that I

might go to a diet consultant on the hospital staff.

There were 2 huge fat ladies there as dieticians !!!! telling me {who was not at

the time overweight} what to eat, and making fun of me when I ask about fruit

and telling me they were highly fattening and not to eat them even included in

my oatmeal, and grinning with rolling eyes when I asked any questions, like I

was an ignorant idiot. I went to two sessions, one of which was attended by some

other dieticians (also staff members) of the same attitude.

I figured if they knew what was good for me, maybe THEY better try it themselves

as they needed help more than I did. Not only for loosing weight, but learning

manners.

I am afraid that the term " expert " is not always applied properly.

I hope and pray that you find a more knowledgeable professional

love, Lee

 

>

> On Jan 23, 2008 7:24 AM, Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose wrote:

> >

> >

> > I had my second visit with the health educator at my clinic.

> > Twenty-one hours later, I still feel exhausted and disheartened. I

> > couldn't even manage the energy to exercise today.

 

 

 

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Sparrow,

I wonder if you could go to your local SS office and, along with transcripts of

the " expert'sessions " and the info you got from your Dr and also the Diabetis

foundation and see if they can do anything to help. You may have to gather more

info and get a lawyer.

good luck... love.. lee

--

---- Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose wrote:

> On 1/23/08, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

> >

> > Good grief! Find a new nutritionist. Don't waste your time with this lady.

>

> I don't have any choice. I'm on medicaid and this clinic is the only

> place that takes the medical card so I'm stuck with the lifestyle

> " educator " and the diabetes " specialist " (who has never discussed diet

> or exercise with me even once) if I want to get my diabetes treated.

> The other choice is to stay home and refuse any medical treatment

> (which would mean I couldn't get my other medication, either.)

>

> Sparrow

 

 

 

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I am a diabetic who is slowly going vegetarian (I'm the one who

doesn't want to give up her grilled chicken breasts!), my blood

glucose readings are better than they have ever been and my doctor

tells me that she wishes her other diabetics would consider going

vegetarian...even if only as much as I have...the only meat I eat is

the probably twice a week chicken breasts - at the most 100gms in

each serve, and the way prices are going I will be off them before

too long! I eat whole grain breakfast cereal, a multi grain bread

roll at lunch time with egg or cheese, plus pasta and rice when I

want to...not in excess of course, just a normal serve. I actually

eat more of what she calls the " wrong " fruits at the moment as I

love grapes and stone fruits but even with that my blood glucose is

doing well. Marion from " down under "

 

, The Dragon

<dragonsteeluk wrote:

>

> I just re-read this Sparrow and say that she wants you to eat beef

(ick) 5 times a DAY!!! not just a week *shudder* - I hope your DH

can get her to see sense.

>

> Oh and a friend of mine over here in the UK was told to INCREASE

her rice (cut down on potato) and CUT DOWN red meat and if possible

go vegetarian!

>

> http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-

diabetes/Food_and_recipes/Recipes/Recipes_Listing/?page=1

>

> www.diabetes.org.uk for some more ideas

>

>

> The Dragon (aka High Priestess Enchanting Evenweave)

> WIPs/UFOs = The Castle, The Green Man, Celtic Summer, exchange

6/10ths done, Computer Whizz, Perfect Pets, Zodiac Cats, Element

Dragons

> http://dragonsteel.multiply.com/

> http://tempewytch.diaryland.com/

>

>

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On 1/23/08, lds6401 <tippy11 wrote:

>

> I am a diabetic who is slowly going vegetarian (I'm the one who

> doesn't want to give up her grilled chicken breasts!), my blood

> glucose readings are better than they have ever been

 

Congratulations!

 

Do you have a home test kit? I've been left in the dark and won't know

what my blood glucose levels are for months until they decide to test

me again at the office. :-(

 

I don't even understand why they haven't given me a test kit and will

be bringing that up at my next meeting with the diabetes specialist

because I know another woman in town on medicaid - so she has the same

income, goes to the same clinic, has the same medical coverage - and

she got a home test kit when she had insulin resistance, not diabetes

(in other words, her fasting glucose was much lower than mine was.)

 

> and my doctor

> tells me that she wishes her other diabetics would consider going

> vegetarian...even if only as much as I have...

 

It sounds like your doctor is very sensible! Then again, I have heard

a lot of good things about Australia's medical system. If the things I

hear from individuals and new articles are correct, your medical

system is one of the best in the world.

 

> the only meat I eat is

> the probably twice a week chicken breasts - at the most 100gms in

> each serve, and the way prices are going I will be off them before

> too long!

 

When we came home from the doctor, my husband pulled up the sale

advertisements for the local grocery store to see what those kinds of

meats cost (he is a meat-eater, but he eats the stuff no one would

tell a diabetic to eat, like hot dogs. *shudder*)

 

We were stunned at the cost of chicken breasts! Ten times as much per

pound as beans. My husband's response to that was, " she wants you to

eat this stuff? Who's going to pay for it? Maybe we're supposed to

stop paying the rent? "

 

(Not that I could eat chicken anyway. I'm a sucker for birds and had

tears rolling down my face when I watched footage of how commercial

chickens are handled.)

 

But, yeah. that stuff is pricey! And this woman knows that her clients

are all living below the poverty line. She is very young, skinny (and

has probably never been out of shape in her life), and from a

different culture than me -- one that tends to shelter its children so

that they grow up naive about what it is like to live in poverty.

(Which is something I will never forget and I will always try to never

make assumptions about people, even after I am out of poverty (which I

plan to be before long.))

 

> I eat whole grain breakfast cereal, a multi grain bread

> roll at lunch time with egg or cheese, plus pasta and rice when I

> want to...not in excess of course, just a normal serve.

 

I usually make a pot of something with beans and grains in it and

portion it out during the day, supplemented with 5-8 servings of

vegetables. I take a calcium supplement when my numbers are low (I use

software to track my food.) I season with nutritional yeast, soy sauce

(or Bragg's Amino Acids when I can afford a bottle), lemon juice, and

LOTS of spices.

 

Where my food has been bad (and I am working on fixing it) is fried

foods - falafel, potatoes, tofu, etc. Especially the deep fried things

like falafel and tofu. Big no nos. Also, just eating too much food

total, which has also made me obese. People are stunned to learn that

I am vegetarian because they don't expect a veggie to have a BMI

around 40.

 

Though it is still going down. My scale registered a lower weight

again today. I can't argue with the educator about whether my diet is

good or bad for my blood sugar because none of us really know where my

blood sugar is (though she *swears* that after eating a bowl of beans

and rice my blood sugar is shooting up through the roof.) But there's

got to be something wrong with her scale. I *know* that the way I have

been eating for the last month is helping me lose weight because I've

been losing weight!

 

I guess since no one will give me a way to watch my blood sugar, I

will just keep focusing on healthy food and weight loss because that's

something I can directly observe to see whether it's working or not.

 

Sparrow

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I can't believe that you are not given access to a glucometer to do

your blood glucose readings at home as it is the only way you can

get some control of your bg. You need to be able to see what

different foods do to you. We have to pay for them here in

Australia but I have seen them on various USA freebie sites as

free. So maybe you could try googling something like " free blood

glucose monitors " and see if anything comes up. Can you see if the

American Diabetic Association has a web site? The book I am reading

of theirs is excellent, while I haven't learnt much from it yet it

has reinforced a lot of what I am doing AND it is very supportive of

vegetarian diets...infact it encourages them!

 

Not all doctors in Australia are as good as mine is I can tell you,

I've had some strange ones but landed well on my feet with this

one. She's in her 40's and both her and her husband (also a local

doctor) plan on retiring here so I'll hopefully have her for many

years. She struggles with her weight so is really uunderstanding.

Another thing she says....and the book by the AMA says...is don't

totally ban anything from your diet otherwise you'll crave it and

then pig out...everything, in reason, can be part of your diet. I

have an ice cream in a come at least once a fortnight...no more than

two a fortnight, it's not something I can have everyday, yesterday I

had a 99 calorie stick of chocolate - that's a pension day " treat " .

And yes, my doctor knows I have these things...she knows everything

I eat as I write it all down (I'm counting calories at present) and

show her it along with my blood glucose readings and exercise when I

see her fortnightly. At present because I'm having to lower my meds

a bit she wants to see me fortnightly. Thanks to our government

health scheme since I am on a disability pension (not for diabetes

but for other things) I don't pay a cent to see her either....and

she sees me for 40 minutes each time so we can go through everything

we need to. I know I am just sooooo lucky to have got her as my

doctor...she's no longer taking on new patients as she works part

time and won't push her patients through too fast!

 

Marion from " down under "

 

, " Sparrow R Jones "

<sparrowrose wrote:

>

> On 1/23/08, lds6401 <tippy11 wrote:

> >

> > I am a diabetic who is slowly going vegetarian (I'm the one who

> > doesn't want to give up her grilled chicken breasts!), my blood

> > glucose readings are better than they have ever been

>

> Congratulations!

>

> Do you have a home test kit? I've been left in the dark and won't

know

> what my blood glucose levels are for months until they decide to

test

> me again at the office. :-(

>

> I don't even understand why they haven't given me a test kit and

will

> be bringing that up at my next meeting with the diabetes specialist

> because I know another woman in town on medicaid - so she has the

same

> income, goes to the same clinic, has the same medical coverage -

and

> she got a home test kit when she had insulin resistance, not

diabetes

> (in other words, her fasting glucose was much lower than mine was.)

>

> > and my doctor

> > tells me that she wishes her other diabetics would consider going

> > vegetarian...even if only as much as I have...

>

> It sounds like your doctor is very sensible! Then again, I have

heard

> a lot of good things about Australia's medical system. If the

things I

> hear from individuals and new articles are correct, your medical

> system is one of the best in the world.

>

> > the only meat I eat is

> > the probably twice a week chicken breasts - at the most 100gms in

> > each serve, and the way prices are going I will be off them

before

> > too long!

>

> When we came home from the doctor, my husband pulled up the sale

> advertisements for the local grocery store to see what those kinds

of

> meats cost (he is a meat-eater, but he eats the stuff no one would

> tell a diabetic to eat, like hot dogs. *shudder*)

>

> We were stunned at the cost of chicken breasts! Ten times as much

per

> pound as beans. My husband's response to that was, " she wants you

to

> eat this stuff? Who's going to pay for it? Maybe we're supposed to

> stop paying the rent? "

>

> (Not that I could eat chicken anyway. I'm a sucker for birds and

had

> tears rolling down my face when I watched footage of how commercial

> chickens are handled.)

>

> But, yeah. that stuff is pricey! And this woman knows that her

clients

> are all living below the poverty line. She is very young, skinny

(and

> has probably never been out of shape in her life), and from a

> different culture than me -- one that tends to shelter its

children so

> that they grow up naive about what it is like to live in poverty.

> (Which is something I will never forget and I will always try to

never

> make assumptions about people, even after I am out of poverty

(which I

> plan to be before long.))

>

> > I eat whole grain breakfast cereal, a multi grain bread

> > roll at lunch time with egg or cheese, plus pasta and rice when I

> > want to...not in excess of course, just a normal serve.

>

> I usually make a pot of something with beans and grains in it and

> portion it out during the day, supplemented with 5-8 servings of

> vegetables. I take a calcium supplement when my numbers are low (I

use

> software to track my food.) I season with nutritional yeast, soy

sauce

> (or Bragg's Amino Acids when I can afford a bottle), lemon juice,

and

> LOTS of spices.

>

> Where my food has been bad (and I am working on fixing it) is fried

> foods - falafel, potatoes, tofu, etc. Especially the deep fried

things

> like falafel and tofu. Big no nos. Also, just eating too much food

> total, which has also made me obese. People are stunned to learn

that

> I am vegetarian because they don't expect a veggie to have a BMI

> around 40.

>

> Though it is still going down. My scale registered a lower weight

> again today. I can't argue with the educator about whether my diet

is

> good or bad for my blood sugar because none of us really know

where my

> blood sugar is (though she *swears* that after eating a bowl of

beans

> and rice my blood sugar is shooting up through the roof.) But

there's

> got to be something wrong with her scale. I *know* that the way I

have

> been eating for the last month is helping me lose weight because

I've

> been losing weight!

>

> I guess since no one will give me a way to watch my blood sugar, I

> will just keep focusing on healthy food and weight loss because

that's

> something I can directly observe to see whether it's working or

not.

>

> Sparrow

>

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On 1/24/08, lds6401 <tippy11 wrote:

>

> We have to pay for them here in

> Australia but I have seen them on various USA freebie sites as

> free. So maybe you could try googling something like " free blood

> glucose monitors " and see if anything comes up.

 

If it's like the other free things I've seen online, it's " free "

because you have to sign up for at least five things (and get your

e-mail and postal address on lots of spam lists) to get it. The

monitor is not the big expense anyway - I can get one for $20 and I

currently have a $40 gift certificate to drugstore.com that a kind

friend sent me. It's the test strips that I couldn't possibly afford.

The cheapest vial of them is over $60 and they cost about $1 per

strip. That's just out of my reach right now. I will have more money

(fingers crossed for luck) in August, but that's a long time to wait

to find out what my glucose levels are!

 

> Can you see if the

> American Diabetic Association has a web site? The book I am reading

> of theirs is excellent, while I haven't learnt much from it yet it

> has reinforced a lot of what I am doing AND it is very supportive of

> vegetarian diets...infact it encourages them!

 

Great idea! I hadn't even thought to look for the ADA's web site. I'm

certain they have one. Thank you!

 

> Another thing she says....and the book by the AMA says...is don't

> totally ban anything from your diet otherwise you'll crave it and

> then pig out...everything, in reason, can be part of your diet.

 

That's what my husband was saying yesterday. He said that if she was

responsible she wouldn't tell me to " never eat " something but instead

work with me to cut the portions of it down gradually while suggesting

other, healthier things to eat to take the place of the reduced

portions of less healthy foods.

 

Gee, maybe my husband should be a lifestyle educator! LOL

Or you! You're very helpful.

 

Sparrow

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Your prices for the monitors are cheaper than ours...I paid $49 for

mine on special, but I only pay $1 for a bottle of 50 strips because

I am on a pension. Marion from " down under "

 

, " Sparrow R Jones "

<sparrowrose wrote:

>

> On 1/24/08, lds6401 <tippy11 wrote:

> >

> > We have to pay for them here in

> > Australia but I have seen them on various USA freebie sites as

> > free. So maybe you could try googling something like " free blood

> > glucose monitors " and see if anything comes up.

>

> If it's like the other free things I've seen online, it's " free "

> because you have to sign up for at least five things (and get your

> e-mail and postal address on lots of spam lists) to get it. The

> monitor is not the big expense anyway - I can get one for $20 and I

> currently have a $40 gift certificate to drugstore.com that a kind

> friend sent me. It's the test strips that I couldn't possibly

afford.

> The cheapest vial of them is over $60 and they cost about $1 per

> strip. That's just out of my reach right now. I will have more

money

> (fingers crossed for luck) in August, but that's a long time to

wait

> to find out what my glucose levels are!

>

> > Can you see if the

> > American Diabetic Association has a web site? The book I am

reading

> > of theirs is excellent, while I haven't learnt much from it yet

it

> > has reinforced a lot of what I am doing AND it is very

supportive of

> > vegetarian diets...infact it encourages them!

>

> Great idea! I hadn't even thought to look for the ADA's web site.

I'm

> certain they have one. Thank you!

>

> > Another thing she says....and the book by the AMA says...is don't

> > totally ban anything from your diet otherwise you'll crave it and

> > then pig out...everything, in reason, can be part of your diet.

>

> That's what my husband was saying yesterday. He said that if she

was

> responsible she wouldn't tell me to " never eat " something but

instead

> work with me to cut the portions of it down gradually while

suggesting

> other, healthier things to eat to take the place of the reduced

> portions of less healthy foods.

>

> Gee, maybe my husband should be a lifestyle educator! LOL

> Or you! You're very helpful.

>

> Sparrow

>

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oh I am so sorry the stuff you are going through. I just about choked when i

read the first posting. I don't know how many shows i have watched on the atkins

diet (hi protein low carb) that show that this is really bad news for a

diebetic. Carbs is what your body breaks down into glucose to fuel our bodies. I

don't know if you have heard of the Glycaemic Index of foods that show how fast

the body turns the carbs into sugar, but I know a lot of diabetics that use this

to help keep the bg level evans. Foods with a low GI generally cuase a lower

and more gradual rise in bg levels, which is beneficial for people with

diabetes.

I have just completed a couse on community health education which is all about

teaching health vegetarian eating and there is 2 units on disease risk

prevention, one which is diabetes. there are some really good fact sheets found

at this site:

http://www.sanitarium.com.au/nutrition/fact-sheets.html

Sanitarium also have a free ask a nutritionist link so you could always send

them an email and they will email you back in 3-5 days. They don't outright push

vegetarian eating but are very supportive of it.

 

Both my parents are type 2 diabetics. Mum tried those high protein shakes to try

and help lose weight but kept have hypos because there was not enough carbs in

them to sustain her bg levels.

I say stick to your guns. read up all you can and follow your own gut. All the

reading material i've read supports a diet based mostly on wholegrain breads,

cereals and other grain foods, vegetables including legums and fruits. have in

moderation low fat dairy, eggs, nuts and lean meat if desired, and to try and

steer clear of saturated fats, and refined foods such as white sugar and breads.

 

I shall keep you in my prayers as you go back to see this woman.

Bec from Australia

 

 

 

 

 

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On 1/24/08, rebecca stanford <vegyhealth wrote:

>

> oh I am so sorry the stuff you are going through. I just about choked

> when i read the first posting. I don't know how many shows i have

> watched on the atkins diet (hi protein low carb) that show that this is

> really bad news for a diebetic.

 

Wow, I didn't know Atkins was bad for diabetics - at least beyond how

it's bad for everyone, that is. Thanks for that info - it gives me

more leads to look at.

 

> I don't know if you have heard of the Glycaemic Index of foods that

> show how fast the body turns the carbs into sugar, but I know a lot

> of diabetics that use this to help keep the bg level evans. Foods with

> a low GI generally cuase a lower and more gradual rise in bg levels,

> which is beneficial for people with diabetes.

 

Yes, there's a really good website. I think it's based in Australia or

maybe it's just that most of the GI research is from Australia right

now. I don't know. But it's:

http://www.glycemicindex.com/

I have been using it to check the GI of the foods I eat a lot of. For

example, I eat lots of pinto beans and they tested with a GI of 39 in

Canada and 14 in South America (I'm not sure what makes a food test

different in different places other than a different genetic component

to the local people on which they are tested.) Either score makes

pinto beans an ideal food for blood sugar.

 

For grains, I like brown rice (50-66 GI), quinoa (53 GI), and millet

(71 GI) so some of my grains cross the line (55 GI is the dividing

line between low and high GI foods), but I eat the grains with other

foods (such as pinto beans) and I think that mitigates the effects

when you mix a high GI and a low GI food together.

 

I mentioned GI to the health educator, specifically commenting on how

low the GI of beans is. She said (quoting from memory, not

word-for-word precise) " Yes, it has a low GI but it's still high in

carbohydrates so your blood sugar will skyrocket after you eat beans

despite their low GI rating. "

 

> I have just completed a couse on community health education

> which is all about teaching health vegetarian eating and there is 2

> units on disease risk prevention, one which is diabetes. there are

> some really good fact sheets found at this site:

> http://www.sanitarium.com.au/nutrition/fact-sheets.html

 

Thanks! You and everyone else here has been so helpful! Thank you so much!

 

> Sanitarium also have a free ask a nutritionist link so you could always

> send them an email and they will email you back in 3-5 days. They

> don't outright push vegetarian eating but are very supportive of it.

 

thanks, that sounds like a great resource!

 

> I say stick to your guns. read up all you can and follow your own

> gut. All the reading material i've read supports a diet based mostly on

> wholegrain breads, cereals and other grain foods, vegetables including

> legums and fruits. have in moderation low fat dairy, eggs, nuts and

> lean meat if desired, and to try and steer clear of saturated fats, and

> refined foods such as white sugar and breads.

 

It sounds like my eating is on track. I don't even eat desserts at all

(you'd think the lifestyle educator would have noticed that and

complimented me on it. Don't most people eat sweets?) The only time I

have white flour is to put about 1/4 cup in to make a vegan sauce or

gravy (which I do about once a week.)

 

I limit nuts to no more than 1/4 cup per day (after reading the

Pritikin guidelines) and I only eat nuts once or twice a week. Mainly

I eat grains, beans, veggies, homemade soy milk. I know I don't eat

enough fruit, but I try. I have some frozen fruit blended with soymilk

and sometimes I eat an apple or a couple of tangerines.

 

> I shall keep you in my prayers as you go back to see this woman.

 

Thank you so much! I wouldn't even care what she says except that

she's part of my " medical team " so I have to deal with her. I am

grateful for your prayers.

 

Something good might come of this beyond my own issues, too. If she is

truly this poorly educated about diet for diabetics, I may become part

of her education and help her to become a better counselor for others.

At least I can hope for that!

 

Sparrow

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