Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 James, Sorry that I wasn't clear. I think I mentioned what the Tree of Life was in an earlier post but should probably have explained again. The Tree of Life is the name of the center that Gabriel Cousens has established in Patagonia, AZ. It serves several functions. It is a rejuvenation center where you can go for fasts, spiritual or detox. There is a doctor and nurse on site to supervise the fasts. You can also go to get a medical workup that they call Whole Person Healing. This is a three day evaluation in which they do regular blood draws to determine how you metabolize different types of foods. They also have you fill out a very long, I think about 40 pp. health questionnaire and do some basal temps, and food charts before you arrive. Once they have done the eval they meet with you and do some regular, ayurvedic and chinese medical evals. Then they make recommendations as to type of diet and supplements that you need to take long and short term. While you are there you eat at their Cafe where they serve only raw, organic foods that are identified by phases. (They serve a lot of phase 2 for those that are in transition.) You can stay there by the day and eat the food and use the hot tubs and infra red sauna, go to yoga and meditation as part of the daily fee. They also have an oxy bounce, ozone steam bath, and different types of massage to remove toxins at an additional fee for each. While staying there is a daily class on raw food prep and two Q & A's a week staffed by Gabriel when he is there and other knowledgeable staff when he is not. There is also a small store that sells organic raw foods that they have researched to make sure of the quality. I bought a lot of things. When I got home I checked the prices on the internet. They were all within a few cents of what I could get via internet. You can also go there for seminars on raw food prep or spirituality. If you have read any of Gabriel's books you know that he sees a connection between the vibrational state of our physical body and our ability to be connected with God/Spirit or whatever you call it. He says " Food is a Love Note from God. " So, there is a highly spiritual air about the place but people who aren't looking for development in that direction seem to feel very comfortable. No one seems to notice or care who goes to the evening meditations. If you are interested in more information about the Tree of Life their website is www.treeoflife.nu . There is a lot of free information there. Also, they have just started a program called " Gabriel Live " . For $30 a month you get access to a 1.5 hour a month webcast where Gabriel answers question by phone or ones that have been sent by e-mail. There is also a food prep each month by webcast and they are posting audio of radio shows Gabriel has done and other material. There is an addendum to the Rainbow Green Live Food book that has lots of new recipes that you can download as part of Gabriel Live. I must mention that this is a new endeavor for them and they are learning as they go. At times it is evident that the video is being done by amateurs but it does give you access to someone who really knows the science of raw food to answer your questions. It will get better with time. Also, there is no long term commitment when you join. You can quit at any time. From what I heard when I was there, it is a self supporting program. As they raise more money in fees they will buy more equipment. It started in December. Having said all of this I feel like I need to add a disclaimer. I have absolutely no financial connection to the Tree of Life. I am just a very satisfied client. I spent 12 days there in February. Attended their Conscious Eating class, did the Whole Person Healing medical evaluation and stayed a couple of days to eat the food, get some massages and enjoy the weather (I live in northern Ontario most of the time.) I will return someday to do a spiritual fast and their Zero Point Seminar (spiritual). Would love to go for at least a week or two each year just to tune up my body and soul. They charge $155 a day for a shared room, food and use of the facility. If you eat and prepare raw, organic food you know that isn't bad. I can't even get organic greens except in a bad in the winter. Well, I have done it again. Written a book when asked a fairly simple question. I guess you can tell that I had a positive experience. Tammy , at 12:25 PM, Noctaire wrote: > Ok, a few terms are throwing about here that have me a tad confused as > someone new. I've read of folks going to " Tree of Life " but > apparently in > the same breath as talking about a sort of retreat/clinic...? Is > Tree of > Life a store or a clinic? Are there any particularly good rawfood > clinics > and how would I go about finding one? > > TIA.... > > James > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet anyway. Cheers, Ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " > book by Peter D'Adamo? I > haven't read his book only thumbed through it. > I am a Blood Type A, > and according to him I should be vegan. Which > is the McDougall diet > anyway. I leafed through it once too - but forget what type I was supposed to be, if indeed I did check that out (can't remember). I know that some people are startled to find that he thinks they should be eating animal flesh of some kind or other - not very encouraging to vegetarians and vegans! Some people have said that his book lacks correct scientific backing, but I can't remember who *shrug* Maybe others know? Nice that he okayed you for vegan anyway!!!!! Love and hugs, Pat (also vegan) ---- http://www.care2.com/c2cvegpets (and others listed on http://beanvegan.blogspot.com) " Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are called medical research. " (George Bernard Shaw) ______________________________\ ____ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals./tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I was trying to do the blood type diet for a while, Im an A also. But it was difficult in a way, like I shouldnt eat wheat flour (no one should according to the author; he may have a point, but....)or tomatoes or eggplant or oranges? Tangerine, lemon and grapefruit are ok Also, no potatoes- lots of vege staples, ya know? my 2 cents Daph also im not vegan yet, so i do use honey and cheese too, but I now only buy soymilk, baby steps Ginger <gingerdphillips wrote: Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet anyway. Cheers, Ginger What a wonderful miracle, if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant. -Henry David Thoreau You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Blood group diet? I never heard of this. Does this work details please Daphne Barton <daphnebarton wrote: I was trying to do the blood type diet for a while, Im an A also. But it was difficult in a way, like I shouldnt eat wheat flour (no one should according to the author; he may have a point, but....)or tomatoes or eggplant or oranges? Tangerine, lemon and grapefruit are ok Also, no potatoes- lots of vege staples, ya know? my 2 cents Daph also im not vegan yet, so i do use honey and cheese too, but I now only buy soymilk, baby steps Ginger <gingerdphillips wrote: Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet anyway. Cheers, Ginger What a wonderful miracle, if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant. -Henry David Thoreau You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 According to Dr. Fuhrman in his book Eat To Live http://www.vegandonelight.com/recommends/eat2live " I tried hard to be fair to D'Adamo because I know there is some evidence in the scientific literature that genetics and even blood type can predispose one to certain illnesses, such as heart attacks and some cancers, but his claims are so ridiculous that it leaves me with no choice but to be amazed that he could actually make such mind-boggling claims without supporting documentation or scientific studies. Furthermore, in reviewing the references mentioned in this book, he did not include even a small fraction of the hundreds of studies performed on this subject by scientists in the past thirty years. All the major studies I found documenting the relationship between blood type and disease were surprisingly missing. " I tend to agree. Especially when my father, a long-time vegetarian read he was supposed to be eating chicken or some such. It seems it's just a bunch of pseudo-science. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog - Ginger Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:35 AM Question.... Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet anyway. Cheers, Ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 http://www.dadamo.com/ If you are blood type A, then the naturopath Dr. Peter D'Adamo suggests that you are healthiest on a vegan diet. I haven't read the book yet. I have the cookbook because of the vegan recipes in there but haven't gotten to that yet either. There's been a lot of critism on his diet from the medical community because they do not believe that it is a scientifically sound theory. Having not read it, I don't feel informed enough to comment. I will say that I know a couple of people who have " loosely " followed his suggestions and say that they feel great. They were also type A. G , sankar sastry <shankarsastry wrote: > > Blood group diet? > I never heard of this. Does this work > details please > > Daphne Barton <daphnebarton wrote: > I was trying to do the blood type diet for a while, Im an A also. But it was difficult in a way, like I shouldnt eat wheat flour (no one should according to the author; he may have a point, but....)or tomatoes or eggplant or oranges? Tangerine, lemon and grapefruit are ok Also, no potatoes- lots of vege staples, ya know? my 2 cents Daph > also im not vegan yet, so i do use honey and cheese too, but I now only buy soymilk, baby steps > > Ginger <gingerdphillips wrote: > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I > haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, > and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet > anyway. > > Cheers, > Ginger > > What a wonderful miracle, if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant. -Henry David Thoreau > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Thanks, Erin - Fuhrman is pretty fair, I think. And I respect him hugely. Btw, if anyone would like to feel good AND lose weight, the Fuhrman diet (book mentioned below by Erin) is excellent. Also, a little different, the McDougall plan. Neal Barnard has an excellent and healthy weight-loss method too. For myself, I find that keeping an eye on the Fuhrman diet helps me to maintain weightloss really well. (If I follow too perfectly I start losing weight again, which I don't need to do.) The trick for those of us who aren't very tall (I'm 5 ft 2-1/2 in. or 158.75 cm) is to find exactly the right foods to eat to keep health at the optimum without eating useless or less efficient calories - AND finding yummy things to eat at the same time I'm really working on developing some recipes of my own, tending more and more towards raw these days - which is mind-blowing!!! Okay, everyone, that's my diet book boost for today Go and get thin! Love and hugs, Pat ---- Erin <truepatriot wrote: > According to Dr. Fuhrman in his book Eat To > Live > > http://www.vegandonelight.com/recommends/eat2live > > " I tried hard to be fair to D'Adamo because I > know > there is some evidence in the scientific > literature > that genetics and even blood type can > predispose > one to certain illnesses, such as heart attacks > and > some cancers, but his claims are so ridiculous > that > it leaves me with no choice but to be amazed > that > he could actually make such mind-boggling > claims > without supporting documentation or scientific > studies. > Furthermore, in reviewing the references > mentioned > in this book, he did not include even a small > fraction > of the hundreds of studies performed on this > subject > by scientists in the past thirty years. All the > major > studies I found documenting the relationship > between > blood type and disease were surprisingly > missing. " > > > I tend to agree. Especially when my father, > a long-time vegetarian read he was supposed > to be eating chicken or some such. It seems > it's just a bunch of pseudo-science. > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog > > > - > Ginger > > Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:35 AM > Question.... > > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " > book by Peter D'Adamo? I > haven't read his book only thumbed through it. > I am a Blood Type A, > and according to him I should be vegan. Which > is the McDougall diet > anyway. > > Cheers, > Ginger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Thanks, Ginger. And yes, your friends on the vegan diet would feel better, wouldn't they! But what if . . . Okay, I'm blood type O - and I'm pretty sure that he doesn't recommend a vegan or even vegetarian diet for me That would go against my principles, to eat meat or animal products, AND go against what I have learned about good health. One might as well choose a diet by using a weeji board or consulting the stars or throwing dice *shrug* Common sense should prevail, I think, along with compassion and concern for personal wellness. Apologies if that's too strong for any D'Adamo devotees here, but this IS a vegetarian group after all Love and hugs, Pat --- Ginger <gingerdphillips wrote: > http://www.dadamo.com/ > > If you are blood type A, then the naturopath > Dr. Peter D'Adamo > suggests that you are healthiest on a vegan > diet. I haven't read the > book yet. I have the cookbook because of the > vegan recipes in there > but haven't gotten to that yet either. There's > been a lot of critism > on his diet from the medical community because > they do not believe > that it is a scientifically sound theory. > Having not read it, I > don't feel informed enough to comment. I will > say that I know a > couple of people who have " loosely " followed > his suggestions and say > that they feel great. They were also type A. > > G > > > , > sankar sastry > <shankarsastry wrote: > > > > Blood group diet? > > I never heard of this. Does this work > > details please > > > > Daphne Barton <daphnebarton wrote: > > I was trying to do the blood type > diet for a while, Im an > A also. But it was difficult in a way, like I > shouldnt eat wheat > flour (no one should according to the author; > he may have a point, > but....)or tomatoes or eggplant or oranges? > Tangerine, lemon and > grapefruit are ok Also, no potatoes- lots of > vege staples, ya know? > my 2 cents Daph > > also im not vegan yet, so i do use honey and > cheese too, but I now > only buy soymilk, baby steps > > > > Ginger <gingerdphillips wrote: > > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " > book by Peter > D'Adamo? I > > haven't read his book only thumbed through > it. I am a Blood Type A, > > and according to him I should be vegan. Which > is the McDougall diet > > anyway. > > > > Cheers, > > Ginger > > > > What a wonderful miracle, if only we could > look through each > other's eyes for an instant. -Henry David > Thoreau > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering > you one month of > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. > You name it, we have > it. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 , " Ginger " <gingerdphillips wrote: > > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I > haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, > and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet > anyway. > > Cheers, > Ginger > I learned about the blood type diet years ago. Blood type A does best on a vegetarian diet, although not necessarily vegan. Type A's can also tolerate some poultry and fish, but ideal is vegetarian. I don't think everything he says is in stone but there are certainly strong tendencies with each blood type which I find very interesting! When I discovered this book, it actually made a huge difference between me and my husband!I'm an A and he's an O. Type O's do best with meat and vegetables and very little grain. We actually used to fight because I wasn't cooking enough meat to suit him! He became very ill at one point and I put him on a total vegan diet for 12 weeks. During that time he felt pretty good. After 12 weeks, however, he started to lose muscle mass. Now we have a good understanding of each other's dietary needs and no longer fuss at each other. He has some meat and I don't and we are both happy! Yep, there is something to this. The big thing we both learned is to honor each other's differences and preferences. I use the blood type diet fairly often when I work with client's as a starting point to healing their digestion. Once things are stabilized, then it can be refined to what works for their lifestyle and preferences. You can also figure out which foods you don't tolerate well quite easily.I've had a lot of success with it overall. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Humans are not supposed to consume meat period no matter what blood type we are this book is ridiculous do monkeys or apes eat meat. They are our closest living relative did your hubby exercise maybe that why he lost muscle mass or you sure it wasn't fat. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T " Julie " <jewiemt Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:26:54 Re: Question.... @ <%40> , " Ginger " <gingerdphillips wrote: > > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I > haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, > and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet > anyway. > > Cheers, > Ginger > I learned about the blood type diet years ago. Blood type A does best on a vegetarian diet, although not necessarily vegan. Type A's can also tolerate some poultry and fish, but ideal is vegetarian. I don't think everything he says is in stone but there are certainly strong tendencies with each blood type which I find very interesting! When I discovered this book, it actually made a huge difference between me and my husband!I'm an A and he's an O. Type O's do best with meat and vegetables and very little grain. We actually used to fight because I wasn't cooking enough meat to suit him! He became very ill at one point and I put him on a total vegan diet for 12 weeks. During that time he felt pretty good. After 12 weeks, however, he started to lose muscle mass. Now we have a good understanding of each other's dietary needs and no longer fuss at each other. He has some meat and I don't and we are both happy! Yep, there is something to this. The big thing we both learned is to honor each other's differences and preferences. I use the blood type diet fairly often when I work with client's as a starting point to healing their digestion. Once things are stabilized, then it can be refined to what works for their lifestyle and preferences. You can also figure out which foods you don't tolerate well quite easily.I've had a lot of success with it overall. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Since O is the most common blood type, I would expect that 1/3 of the members of this list are probably type O and doing just fine on vegetarian or vegan diets. Pam On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:26 AM, Julie <jewiemt wrote: , " Ginger " > > <gingerdphillips wrote: > > > > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I > > haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, > > and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet > > anyway. > > > > Cheers, > > Ginger > > > > I learned about the blood type diet years ago. Blood type A does best > on a vegetarian diet, although not necessarily vegan. Type A's can > also tolerate some poultry and fish, but ideal is vegetarian. I don't > think everything he says is in stone but there are certainly strong > tendencies with each blood type which I find very interesting! When I > discovered this book, it actually made a huge difference between me > and my husband!I'm an A and he's an O. Type O's do best with meat and > vegetables and very little grain. We actually used to fight because I > wasn't cooking enough meat to suit him! He became very ill at one > point and I put him on a total vegan diet for 12 weeks. During that > time he felt pretty good. After 12 weeks, however, he started to lose > muscle mass. Now we have a good understanding of each other's dietary > needs and no longer fuss at each other. He has some meat and I don't > and we are both happy! Yep, there is something to this. The big thing > we both learned is to honor each other's differences and preferences. > I use the blood type diet fairly often when I work with client's as a > starting point to healing their digestion. Once things are stabilized, > then it can be refined to what works for their lifestyle and > preferences. You can also figure out which foods you don't tolerate > well quite easily.I've had a lot of success with it overall. > Julie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Yes, I am type O and wouldn't think of going back to meat.... at least not pork and beef. I am still working on getting the poultry out of my diet. I need to add more fresh vegetables but that is more of a 'time' thing, I do love to eat them though. Joan , pdw <pdworkman wrote: > > Since O is the most common blood type, I would expect that 1/3 of the > members of this list are probably type O and doing just fine on > vegetarian or vegan diets. > > Pam > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:26 AM, Julie <jewiemt wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Ginger " > > > > <gingerdphillips@> wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone read the " Eat Right For your Type " book by Peter D'Adamo? I > > > haven't read his book only thumbed through it. I am a Blood Type A, > > > and according to him I should be vegan. Which is the McDougall diet > > > anyway. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Ginger > > > > > > > I learned about the blood type diet years ago. Blood type A does best > > on a vegetarian diet, although not necessarily vegan. Type A's can > > also tolerate some poultry and fish, but ideal is vegetarian. I don't > > think everything he says is in stone but there are certainly strong > > tendencies with each blood type which I find very interesting! When I > > discovered this book, it actually made a huge difference between me > > and my husband!I'm an A and he's an O. Type O's do best with meat and > > vegetables and very little grain. We actually used to fight because I > > wasn't cooking enough meat to suit him! He became very ill at one > > point and I put him on a total vegan diet for 12 weeks. During that > > time he felt pretty good. After 12 weeks, however, he started to lose > > muscle mass. Now we have a good understanding of each other's dietary > > needs and no longer fuss at each other. He has some meat and I don't > > and we are both happy! Yep, there is something to this. The big thing > > we both learned is to honor each other's differences and preferences. > > I use the blood type diet fairly often when I work with client's as a > > starting point to healing their digestion. Once things are stabilized, > > then it can be refined to what works for their lifestyle and > > preferences. You can also figure out which foods you don't tolerate > > well quite easily.I've had a lot of success with it overall. > > Julie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 > Since O is the most common blood type, I would > expect that 1/3 of the > members of this list are probably type O and > doing just fine on > vegetarian or vegan diets. Yup - I'm Type O, am doing just fine on my vegan diet and would not consider changing my way of eating to include animal products LOL I also consider any book or diet or opinion or whatever that advocates that I should eat otherwise, for any reason, to be subversive and/or idiotic, depending on my mood at the time and/or on how well or badly the argument was expressed We all have our biases, of course, but hey we're vegetarians here - right? Hugs. Love and hugs, Pat ---- http://www.care2.com/c2cvegpets (and others listed on http://beanvegan.blogspot.com) " Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are called medical research. " (George Bernard Shaw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Another Type O here, and also doing just fine as a vegetarian for 10+ years. I can't think of any reason in the world that could make me eat m**t. Karen On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Pat <drpatsant wrote: > > Since O is the most common blood type, I would > > expect that 1/3 of the > > members of this list are probably type O and > > doing just fine on > > vegetarian or vegan diets. > > Yup - I'm Type O, am doing just fine on my vegan > diet and would not consider changing my way of > eating to include animal products LOL I also > consider any book or diet or opinion or whatever > that advocates that I should eat otherwise, for > any reason, to be subversive and/or idiotic, > depending on my mood at the time and/or on how > well or badly the argument was expressed We > all have our biases, of course, but hey we're > vegetarians here - right? Hugs. > > Love and hugs, Pat > > ---- > http://www.care2.com/c2cvegpets (and others listed on > http://beanvegan.blogspot.com) > " Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and > are called medical research. " (George Bernard Shaw) > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 For the record, I am type O as well. Veg for 15 years. No idea what blood type hubby and son are, but they are both veg as well. Pam On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Karen Phillips <kleelibby wrote: Another Type O here, and also doing just fine as a vegetarian for 10+ years. > I can't think of any reason in the world that could make me eat m**t. > Karen > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Pat <drpatsant wrote: > > > > Since O is the most common blood type, I would > > > expect that 1/3 of the > > > members of this list are probably type O and > > > doing just fine on > > > vegetarian or vegan diets. > > > > Yup - I'm Type O, am doing just fine on my vegan > > diet and would not consider changing my way of > > eating to include animal products LOL I also > > consider any book or diet or opinion or whatever > > that advocates that I should eat otherwise, for > > any reason, to be subversive and/or idiotic, > > depending on my mood at the time and/or on how > > well or badly the argument was expressed We > > all have our biases, of course, but hey we're > > vegetarians here - right? Hugs. > > > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > > ---- > > http://www.care2.com/c2cvegpets (and others listed on > > http://beanvegan.blogspot.com) > > " Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and > > are called medical research. " (George Bernard Shaw) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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