Do meat eaters care for animals as much as us?

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Surely if you care then to know they die should be enough . I didn't know how they were raised till after I stopped eating them

 

I was brought up and told I would die if I didn't eat animals . Just because we are told things doesn't mean it is true and eventually we realise that you can't trust every one .

People lie for many reasons Ignorance is one of course . I will not defend other people they can defend themselves but I will admit that I didn't have the guts to stop eating animals at age 7 and waited till I was 18 . I should have had the courage of my convictions and done something sooner. I was a killing machine up to that point .

 

I'm not afraid to admit to my failings. If people admitted to what they are doing there( imo) would be less animal suffering I still believe most people make excuses and don't "see " what the consequence of their actions are . I certainly won't defend these people I prefer to defend the animals they are killing and eating

 

Don't we all judge others ? If I do a demo and show my objection to something then I'm judging those who are against what I am fighting for

 

 

nikki_mackovitch [nikkimack] 22 August 2002 12:25 Subject: Re: Do meat eaters care for animals as much as us?Angie,Easy now. I never said I didn't know they died. I said I didn't know the whole story behind their raising, their demise, their processing etc etc.I was raised as eating meat etc was just the way it was. Never stopped to think about it. Unfortunately, this is the accepted practice in our human society. We are taught from early on you need meat, poultry, milk etc to sustain yer life. Some of us have found the truth and have chosen to follow what is in my opinion the correct path. Some know the truth and do not care and some do not know nor realize anything at all.To group every individual into one frame of mind is unfair in my opinion. To assume every individual is a cold-blooded killing machine is unfair to me as well. I needed not to face up to anything and do not know how you could possibly think you would know me or anyone else that well to make that assumption. Unless of course this was your past where you yourself did not care until you became a vegan. If so, please do not force your issues upon me. Not my story at all!And please learn not to judge others until you know them and can make a fair and unbiased decision. It's not fair nor right, again in my opinion.Hey, just another opinion from another individual. Tis all! :)nikki, "Angie Wright" <angiewright@n...> wrote:> Lets not pretend that they don't know that an animal died We all knew> that only the mentally handicapped /ill have got that excuse . people> pretend not to know because they don't want to face up to it .. > > Then there are those who don't give a damn --at least they are being> honest !> > Angie> To send an email to -

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ohhh

now i'm all a blush.....

can i use you to write my resume's fer me?

or at least campaign manager on my tour of global conquest...

hmmm

need a slogan

 

why vote for the lesser evil, vote fraggle

 

hmmm

i'll think on it

fraggle

 

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

 

>Jo,

>

>Sure was! He said something about being a vegan on a group we are

>on and I asked him what is was. Then I asked why he chose that path.

>Then I did the research, read his recoomendations and went to the

>sites he gave me, looked a bit on my own too. Researched the other

>end as well and made my choice! It was no going back from there on

>out.

>

>And whenever I was stuck on soemthing, like a substitute or had a

>questions about a product, he always gave me a hand.

>

>Was never forceful, demeaning or judgemental! I so very much

>apprecite that and all the help he has given me! As well as the help

>you all have given me! It's comforting to know you are there!

>

>Not a dumb question at all!

>

>nikki

>

>, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

>> Nikki

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>> Was it Fraggle who helped you turn vegan?

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>> Sorry if it's a dumb question - I'm not blonde - so no excuse.

>>

>> Jo

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Jo,

 

Yep! Truly is a good guy and friend!

 

Wouldn't be too bad of a world runned by a fraggle

 

nikki

 

, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> Nikki

>

> That's reinforced my views of Fraggle.

>

> Jo

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> >

[Guest guest]

pshaw

yer gonna bloat my wee head

i'm shite...just doin wot any other fraggle would do..assumin there was more of

me

 

tho, i'll take yer support

cheers

fraggle

 

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

 

>Jo,

>

>Yep! Truly is a good guy and friend!

>

>Wouldn't be too bad of a world runned by a fraggle

>

>nikki

>

>, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

>> Nikki

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>> That's reinforced my views of Fraggle.

>>

>> Jo

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>> >

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>To send an email to -

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I would be ever so proud to!

 

nikki <dons Vote fer Fraggle pin>

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>

> ohhh

> now i'm all a blush.....

> can i use you to write my resume's fer me?

> or at least campaign manager on my tour of global conquest...

> hmmm

> need a slogan

>

> why vote for the lesser evil, vote fraggle

>

> hmmm

> i'll think on it

> fraggle

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> Wouldn't be too bad of a world runned by a fraggle

 

Except...it wouldn't be ruled by me :-)

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yes, but Peter,

we know you would be in the hierarchy there somewhere

working from behind the scenes

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > Wouldn't be too bad of a world runned by a fraggle

>

> Except...it wouldn't be ruled by me :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

[Guest guest]

ROFL!!!!!!!!

 

Guess you'll just have to hold me up Peter!

 

You are back in the corner with us, aren't ya?

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Fraggle

>

> > tho, i'll take yer support

>

> That seems a bit mean. How's Nikki going to stand up now?

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> we know you would be in the hierarchy there somewhere

> working from behind the scenes

 

Ssshhhhh - not everyone is supposed to know!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hi Nikki

 

> You are back in the corner with us, aren't ya?

 

I dunno. I'm a bit disoriented at the moment!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Oooppps!

Sorry Peter!

<if that's yer real name>

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > we know you would be in the hierarchy there somewhere

> > working from behind the scenes

>

> Ssshhhhh - not everyone is supposed to know!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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[Guest guest]

Is this normal?

 

Oh no!

fraggle, did you spike the lemonade?

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > You are back in the corner with us, aren't ya?

>

> I dunno. I'm a bit disoriented at the moment!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

who, me?

*hides bottle behind back*

why would i do that,????????

 

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

 

>Is this normal?

>

>Oh no!

>fraggle, did you spike the lemonade?

>

>nikki

>

>, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

>> Hi Nikki

>>

>> > You are back in the corner with us, aren't ya?

>>

>> I dunno. I'm a bit disoriented at the moment!

>>

>> BB

>> Peter

>>

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>To send an email to -

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[Guest guest]

aha!

i knew it!

 

i knew i wouldn't act this way normally

 

nikki

<cannot put what she wanted to here in case there are children on

this group>

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> who, me?

> *hides bottle behind back*

> why would i do that,????????

>

> " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> >Is this normal?

> >

> >Oh no!

> >fraggle, did you spike the lemonade?

> >

> >nikki

> >

> >, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> >> Hi Nikki

> >>

> >> > You are back in the corner with us, aren't ya?

> >>

> >> I dunno. I'm a bit disoriented at the moment!

> >>

> >> BB

> >> Peter

> >>

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> >

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> >To send an email to -

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> >