Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 http://www.drak.net/circlemaker/warmcove/morningstar/chapter8.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 eh it almost pales in comparrison wot christians did to their own " kind " ..the albigenisin crusade, etc anot that i'm belittleing the slughter of thousands, if not millions, during the witch hunt craze..... i just have a soft spot i guess fer the cathars..dunno why fraggle " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote: >http://www.drak.net/circlemaker/warmcove/morningstar/chapter8.html > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 > anot that i'm belittleing the slughter of thousands, if not millions, during the witch hunt craze..... 9 million women European women died directly due to the witch hunts is the figure I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 i really need to read my stuff i am not belittling the slaughter of millions there that was better my brain works much faster then my fingers and, don't ferget, it wasn't just women, tho , they were the bulk of it... men, children, the infirm isn't it great wot humans will do to one another on the path to righteousness fraggle " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote: > >> anot that i'm belittleing the slughter of thousands, if not >millions, during the witch hunt craze..... > >9 million women European women died directly due to the witch hunts >is the figure I've heard. > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Never heard of the albigenisin crusade before, but I found this at http://crusades.boisestate.edu/Albi/ when I just did a google search- interesting that pope innocent considered abstention from meat 'heresy'.... Ah, little lord J, so much to answer for, and those naughty punks with their disrespectful teeshirts, I dunno... , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > eh > it almost pales in comparrison wot christians did to their own " kind " ..the albigenisin crusade, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > i really need to read my stuff > i am not belittling the slaughter of millions > there > that was better > my brain works much faster then my fingers > > and, don't ferget, it wasn't just women, tho , they were the bulk of it... > men, children, the infirm > isn't it great wot humans will do to one another on the path to righteousness Quite so- BTW, here's a bit of synergy, I didn't find the witch hunt page in relation to the 'Reality Asylum/Jesus Died...' thread but whislt researching the history of herbal medicine for an essay I'm in the middle of writing... spooky how such things cross over ain't it? cheers graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 ya should read about it if it might interest you albigensian crusade..think i spelt it right...anyways...started i believe 1209 AD... northern knights and rabble decended on southern france..slaughtered entire towns... the cathars disbelieved in the fact that jesus died on the cross, since he wasn't material..its a strange christian sect, but, women played a vital role in it, so, it got a lot of converts... the priests were known as parfaits, traveled in pairs, vows of poverty... the sect was rumored to come from the town of albi, hence the name albigensian crusade...also related to the bogomils... and..the knights templar... anyways..the crusade went on fer like 50 yrs er something you've heard the term " kill them all, let god sort them out " ? comes from this crusade... isn't it loverly? *sigh* fraggle " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote: >Never heard of the albigenisin crusade before, but I found this at >http://crusades.boisestate.edu/Albi/ when I just did a google search- >interesting that pope innocent considered abstention from >meat 'heresy'.... > >Ah, little lord J, so much to answer for, and those naughty punks >with their disrespectful teeshirts, I dunno... > > , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: >> eh >> it almost pales in comparrison wot christians did to their >own " kind " ..the albigenisin crusade, etc > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 hope to see the essay " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote: >, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: >> i really need to read my stuff >> i am not belittling the slaughter of millions >> there >> that was better >> my brain works much faster then my fingers >> >> and, don't ferget, it wasn't just women, tho , they were the bulk >of it... >> men, children, the infirm >> isn't it great wot humans will do to one another on the path to >righteousness > >Quite so- BTW, here's a bit of synergy, I didn't find the witch hunt >page in relation to the 'Reality Asylum/Jesus Died...' thread but >whislt researching the history of herbal medicine for an essay I'm >in the middle of writing... spooky how such things cross over ain't >it? > >cheers graham > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Hi Graham > 9 million women European women died directly due to the witch hunts > is the figure I've heard. I know that song too. It's slightly exaggerated! I believe the figure is nearer 9,000. Now, people executed for heresy is a slightly different matter! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Hi Graham > Never heard of the albigenisin crusade before, but I found this at > http://crusades.boisestate.edu/Albi/ when I just did a google search- > interesting that pope innocent considered abstention from > meat 'heresy'.... That's intriguing - considering that many of the monastic orders abstained from meat! Wasn't he the same Pope who said " kill them all - God will know his own " ? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Hi Fraggle > the cathars disbelieved in the fact that jesus died on the cross, since he wasn't material. More to the point - they simply believed that Jesus wasn't the son of God. Their belief was based on a dual god scenario - God was the creator of spirit, and " Rex Mundi " was the creator of the physical world which they considered evil. An offshoot of the Cathars later set up in Bulgaria, and were known as the " Bulgar " sect. Because they believed that the material world was evil, their greatest sin was to have sexual intercourse which could produce offspring, so they only ever indulged in anal sex. It is this sect that gave rise to the term " Buggary " (i.e. Bulgar - y). BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi Graham > > > 9 million women European women died directly due to the witch hunts > > is the figure I've heard. > > I know that song too. It's slightly exaggerated! I believe the figure is > nearer 9,000. Now, people executed for heresy is a slightly different > matter! > I've heard the 9 million figure elsewhere as well, though I can't claim to be an expert- when you consider that the era of the witch hunts lasted some 300 years, 9000 wouldn't have been that many, tho maybe the 9 million figure isn't making a distinction between 'heretics' & 'witches'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 yeah wot he said.... lets go look fer templar treasure peter.... fraggle " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >Hi Fraggle > >> the cathars disbelieved in the fact that jesus died on the cross, since he >wasn't material. > >More to the point - they simply believed that Jesus wasn't the son of God. >Their belief was based on a dual god scenario - God was the creator of >spirit, and " Rex Mundi " was the creator of the physical world which they >considered evil. > >An offshoot of the Cathars later set up in Bulgaria, and were known as the > " Bulgar " sect. Because they believed that the material world was evil, their >greatest sin was to have sexual intercourse which could produce offspring, >so they only ever indulged in anal sex. It is this sect that gave rise to >the term " Buggary " (i.e. Bulgar - y). > >BB >Peter > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 the 9 million figure comes from a man named gerald garner i believe Witchcraze: A New History of the European Witch Hunts, Anne Llewellyn Barstow, Pandora 1995. from 1550 to 1600 AD Accused Executed Holy Roman Empire ~100,000+ ~50,000+ Poland ? ~15,000+ France 10,000+ 5,000+ British Isles England 2,000 ~1,000 Scotland 3,069 1,337+ Ireland 0 0 New England 334 35 Scandinavia ~5,000 1,500-1,800 Hungary ~1,600 472 Spain 3,687 100+ Italy ~2,200+ 0? The Holy Roman Empire figure includes the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and parts of modern France, as well as Germany and Austria. Remember that Poland was a huge country back then as well. Both Catholic and Protestant states persecuted witches - this was one issue on which they were in agreement. The low number of executions in Italy and Spain is interesting - the Spanish Inquisition was more interested in heretics and in relapsed converts from Judaism, Islam, etc. than in accusations of witchcraft. In most areas most of the victims (roughly 3/4) were female. Notable exceptions include Finland, Estonia and Russia, but the total numbers from these countries are not large. " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote: >, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: >> Hi Graham >> >> > 9 million women European women died directly due to the witch >hunts >> > is the figure I've heard. >> >> I know that song too. It's slightly exaggerated! I believe the >figure is >> nearer 9,000. Now, people executed for heresy is a slightly >different >> matter! >> > >I've heard the 9 million figure elsewhere as well, though I can't >claim to be an expert- when you consider that the era of the witch >hunts lasted some 300 years, 9000 wouldn't have been that many, tho >maybe the 9 million figure isn't making a distinction >between 'heretics' & 'witches'? > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 that was a bishop or abbott, not a pope Arnold Amalric.....was he franciscan? i fergets... " kill them all, god will know his own " " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >Hi Graham > >> Never heard of the albigenisin crusade before, but I found this at >> http://crusades.boisestate.edu/Albi/ when I just did a google search- >> interesting that pope innocent considered abstention from >> meat 'heresy'.... > >That's intriguing - considering that many of the monastic orders abstained >from meat! > >Wasn't he the same Pope who said " kill them all - God will know his own " ? > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > the 9 million figure comes from a man named gerald garner i believe > > Another 'offensive' song, this time by The Poison Girls... Bremen Song They burned sisters they burned And the fire is still burning They burned sisters they burned And the smoke from the fire is still rising We burn sisters we burn We will set the world on fire With our burning We burn sisters we burn We will set the world on fire With our yearning Remember the holocaust Holocaust in Bremen In the name of the Fatherland In the name of the Fatherland In nomine patri For the sake of his property Napalm napalm Men burn men Fire fire Witches burn Woman is heretic Repudiate the Christus Woman as heretic Fire fire Burn burn Babies burn Fire burn Women burn Witches burn Women burn Hecate a hex hex Hecate a hex hex Hecate a hex hex Hex, Hex Hex Hex, Hex Hex Hex, Hex Hex Hex Hex Hex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 now you've got me humming the subhumans " reigious wars " you bugger!!! grrrrrrrrr more recipes soon muhahahahahahahahaha fraggle " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote: >, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: >> the 9 million figure comes from a man named gerald garner i believe >> >> > >Another 'offensive' song, this time by The Poison Girls... > >Bremen Song > >They burned sisters they burned >And the fire is still burning >They burned sisters they burned >And the smoke from the fire >is still rising > >We burn sisters we burn >We will set the world on fire >With our burning >We burn sisters we burn >We will set the world on fire >With our yearning > >Remember the holocaust >Holocaust in Bremen >In the name of the Fatherland >In the name of the Fatherland >In nomine patri >For the sake of his property >Napalm napalm >Men burn men >Fire fire >Witches burn >Woman is heretic >Repudiate the Christus >Woman as heretic >Fire fire >Burn burn >Babies burn >Fire burn >Women burn >Witches burn >Women burn >Hecate a hex hex >Hecate a hex hex >Hecate a hex hex >Hex, Hex Hex >Hex, Hex Hex >Hex, Hex Hex >Hex >Hex >Hex > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Hi Graham > I've heard the 9 million figure elsewhere as well, though I can't > claim to be an expert- when you consider that the era of the witch > hunts lasted some 300 years, 9000 wouldn't have been that many, tho > maybe the 9 million figure isn't making a distinction > between 'heretics' & 'witches'? I think the 9 million includes heretics. For what it's worth, I know that in England a little over 400 peaople found guilty of witchcraft were hanged. In Wales 3 were condemned, but 2 escaped before sentence was carried out, so only one Welsh witch was ever hanged! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Hi Fraggle > lets go look fer templar treasure peter.... I'm afraid I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic for that one. But next time your near Washington DC, see if you can spot any clues! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 try scotland.... " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >Hi Fraggle > >> lets go look fer templar treasure peter.... > >I'm afraid I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic for that one. But next time >your near Washington DC, see if you can spot any clues! > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Was he one of them who slept around ??? > interesting that pope innocent considered abstention from> meat 'heresy'....That's intriguing - considering that many of the monastic orders abstainedfrom meat!Wasn't he the same Pope who said "kill them all - God will know his own"?BBPeter --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 05/06/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 Hi Fraggle Nah - 'twas moved from Scotland in 1398. BB Peter > try scotland.... > >> lets go look fer templar treasure peter.... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 Hi Angie > Was he one of them who slept around ??? I suspect so! I think my favourite example of a Pope ignoring the rules of his own religion due to his own preferences was Boniface VIII, who stated that "homosexuality is no more a sin than rubbing your hands together". While I don't disagree with him, it wasn't the usual attitude preached by the church! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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