Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 B " H I don't set your beliefs up for ridicule, I would appreciate it if you didn't set mine up for ridicule. BTW, what G-d said to Moshe was " E'h'ye asher E'h'ye " which loosely means " I will be as I will be " and it is one of many names. It basically means that G-d is the One who will be there when nothing and no one else will be. Moshe, BTW, happens to be the one person who sees G-d " face to face " , so to speak. It's a difficult concept, since G-d has no " face " or form. The verse where G-d shows Him/Herself to Moshe says (S)He can only show Moshe his back and then proceeds to tell Moshe His/Her 13 attibutes. These begin with " G-d, G-d, the G-d of Mercy and Hanun (a word I believe is often translated as Grace -- can also be beauty and charisma -- hard to translate....) Another BTW, kabbalists over the centuries have used the 70 letter name of G-d written on parchment to create artificial life, called a Golem (basically a person without the power of speech who does exactly what you tell him/her to do). The name doesn't give one power over G-d (k'v'yahol! -- as if that were possible!) -- it helps us to tap into G-d's power, though. Debbie Hi Bob > Since the Torah is written without vowels, where does the a or e come from? That's just a guess. All of the early OT stories are drawn from much earlier Sumerian myths - Yahweh (written as Yhwh in Hebrew - OK, obviously using Hebrew lettering, but I don't have the font!) was a minor Babylonian storm god. I don't speak or write ancient Hebrew, but I believe the written language does have the occassional vowel. The best book I've read on the breakdown of the two gods which became the god of monotheists is Karen Armstrong's " A History of God " . > No one can say the holy one's name. This is also a throwback to much older religions. In ancient belief systems there is much more importance on the specific sound vibrations made by words - this had specific importance to magic and invocations: if the name of a god was pronounced, the speaker had the power to control that god. That is why, when Moses (the great Egyptian magician) sees the burning bush, Yahweh refuses to tell Moses his name and simply says " I am who I am " - if Moses had known the name of the god, he could have had power over him. Ironic that this has come down to modern religion almost in reverse. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 Debbie > I don't set your beliefs up for ridicule, I would appreciate it if > you didn't set mine up for ridicule. I'm not quite sure how stating historical facts sets up a belief for ridicule. Please would you explain how this could be the case? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2002 Report Share Posted August 25, 2002 B " H Fact? Please tell me how saying where OUR G-d came from is a FACT? From where did you get this FACT? Debbie Debbie > I don't set your beliefs up for ridicule, I would appreciate it if > you didn't set mine up for ridicule. I'm not quite sure how stating historical facts sets up a belief for ridicule. Please would you explain how this could be the case? BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Hi Debbie > Fact? Please tell me how saying where OUR G-d came from is a FACT? >From where did you get this FACT? Are you talking about the fact that the OT stories are copied from Sumerian myths? Simply read the Sumerian myths. It's all there - the creation of the world, the flood, the tower of babel, etc, etc. Do a search on the internet on Walter Mattfield - he's got some very accurate articles on the subject. Failing that, read " A History of God " by Karen Armstrong. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 This hasn't answered the question about how it is ridiculing your religion. From my long knowledge of Peter I would find it next to impossible to believe that he would ridicule your faith. Jo > Fact? Please tell me how saying where OUR G-d came from is a FACT? > >From where did you get this FACT? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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