veiw on animal prints faux fur & pleather?????

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hi,

im new to the group & new to veganism. Ive been w/ it for a week &

started ridding out my closet today & was wondering what i should do

w/ my animal prints????? are they so bad? is it sending out the wrong

message even through they arent real???/

 

ann

[Guest guest]

stop following me ann

hahahahahahha

fraggle

 

" Bright (Eyes) Black " <brighteyesblack wrote:

 

>hi,

>im new to the group & new to veganism. Ive been w/ it for a week &

>started ridding out my closet today & was wondering what i should do

>w/ my animal prints????? are they so bad? is it sending out the wrong

>message even through they arent real???/

>

>ann

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ann

 

Welcome to the group, and to veganism :-)

 

> im new to the group & new to veganism. Ive been w/ it for a week &

> started ridding out my closet today & was wondering what i should do

> w/ my animal prints????? are they so bad? is it sending out the wrong

> message even through they arent real???/

 

I'm not quite sure what you mean by animal prints - but if they aren't made

from animals, then I don't personally see any problems. FWIW, if you already

have them, giving them away or destroying them isn't going to help the

animals.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hi ann!

 

not sure on the prints, but personally ya wouldn;t offend me

i wear pleather

 

 

 

nikki

 

, " Bright (Eyes) Black " <brighteyesblack>

wrote:

> hi,

> im new to the group & new to veganism. Ive been w/ it for a week &

> started ridding out my closet today & was wondering what i should

do

> w/ my animal prints????? are they so bad? is it sending out the

wrong

> message even through they arent real???/

>

> ann

[Guest guest]

*gasp*

 

did u turn another?

oh my fraggle,

we need to get you out into the world!

yer like Midas, but better!

 

nikki

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>

> stop following me ann

> hahahahahahha

> fraggle

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann

 

If you like them and you already have them - then wear them and enjoy. I am

still wearing leather shoes that I bought years ago. I will not buy any

more, but would not throw away those I already have. I think with animal

prints it is slightly different, because presumably they are made from

non-animal material, so there is no cruelty involved. I think it comes into

the same category as faux furs. Although I like faux fur, I haven't bought

any because of the same worries you have, so I shall be interested in the

comments from others.

 

Jo> im new to the group & new to veganism. Ive been w/ it for a week &

> started ridding out my closet today & was wondering what i should do

> w/ my animal prints????? are they so bad? is it sending out the wrong

> message even through they arent real???/

 

 

 

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--- " Bright (Eyes) Black " <brighteyesblack

wrote:

> hi,

> im new to the group & new to veganism. Ive been w/

> it for a week &

> started ridding out my closet today & was wondering

> what i should do

> w/ my animal prints????? are they so bad? is it

> sending out the wrong

> message even through they arent real???/

>

> ann

>

>

>

if they're not real....than keep wearing em.... i

wouldn't give up my faux fur coat for even a glass of

OJ!! faux furs and prints rule!!!

 

casey

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Casey

 

As I said previously - I was unsure about buying faux fur, but I think I

will now go ahead and buy some.

 

Jo

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here's how i see it...... you wearing faux fur shows

people that you can still have the style without

killing the animal.... so i don't see why it would be

sending a bad message at all...i would think it would

be a very positive message..

 

casey

 

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> As I said previously - I was unsure about buying

> faux fur, but I think I

> will now go ahead and buy some.

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, casey thompson <veganmunkee> wrote:

> here's how i see it...... you wearing faux fur shows

> people that you can still have the style without

> killing the animal

 

 

Except........

 

People see the style, like it, and don't care about the animals'

suffering, so go one " better " and buy the real thing. This was

brought home to me by the owners of a hunting, shooting and fishing

shop, when I was debating the morality of their patrons' " hobbies " .

They pointed out to me that if it was not for women wanting to look

as I did (I was wearing a fake fur coat) there would be no market for

skins. Humanity simply cannot be trusted. I feel the same way about

fake leather. Until we as a species lose the idea that animals are

commodities, they will continue to suffer. If I wear fake leather,

unless I explain to everyone with whom I come into contact that it

*is* fake, that it just *looks* real, then I am perpetuating the idea

that wearing animal skin is acceptable.

 

Personally I avoid all such things like the plague. Animal prints

are a more subtle form of reinforcement, but why do it anyway? Wear

them until they wear out then don't replace would be my advice.

 

A newborn baby human's skin is the most divine texture in the world,

but who amongst us would feel comfortable wearing faux baby skin? I

would like to see the same unease about animal skin. Fakes won't do

that.

 

Cheers

Cathy

[Guest guest]

Cathy,

 

I think you bring up a good counter-point, but I also believe that

most people buying a leather or fur coat would be doing so anyways.

And if someone was admiring another person's fake, normally they say

something to that person like, Wow! What a beatuful coat. In which

turn we could always say Why Thank You! It's fake! As I could never

kill another living thing for the pure satisfaction of wearing

something to make me look more attractive. And then starts either an

enlightening conversation (we hopes) or a short one!

 

I don't wear them myself, but still see no reason wrong with it. If

someone sees me eating a soyburger with fake cheese, the same

scenario pretty much stands true there too.

 

It's a toss-up in my eyes and I think up to each individual with what

they feel most comfortable with.

 

nikki

Be proactive, not reactive

 

 

 

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

 

>

> Except........

>

> People see the style, like it, and don't care about the animals'

> suffering, so go one " better " and buy the real thing. This was

> brought home to me by the owners of a hunting, shooting and fishing

> shop, when I was debating the morality of their

patrons' " hobbies " .

> They pointed out to me that if it was not for women wanting to look

> as I did (I was wearing a fake fur coat) there would be no market

for

> skins. Humanity simply cannot be trusted. I feel the same way

about

> fake leather. Until we as a species lose the idea that animals are

> commodities, they will continue to suffer. If I wear fake leather,

> unless I explain to everyone with whom I come into contact that it

> *is* fake, that it just *looks* real, then I am perpetuating the

idea

> that wearing animal skin is acceptable.

>

> Personally I avoid all such things like the plague. Animal prints

> are a more subtle form of reinforcement, but why do it anyway?

Wear

> them until they wear out then don't replace would be my advice.

>

> A newborn baby human's skin is the most divine texture in the

world,

> but who amongst us would feel comfortable wearing faux baby skin? I

> would like to see the same unease about animal skin. Fakes won't

do

> that.

>

> Cheers

> Cathy

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathy

 

I see your point as well. I was really referring to something in a bright

colour, say, that is obviously fun, and nothing to do with fur.

 

Jo

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[Guest guest]

But what

about my wonderful purple DM’s? They look like leather – can’t I wear them any

more? L

 

Viv

07905 175002

" You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji "

www.veganvillage.co.uk

www.veganstore.co.uk

 

 

 

cathyjupp [cj]

Monday, September 16, 2002

7:56 AM

 

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animal prints faux fur & pleather?????

 

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, casey thompson <veganmunkee> wrote:

> here's how

i see it...... you wearing faux fur shows

> people that

you can still have the style without

> killing the

animal

 

 

Except........

 

People see the

style, like it, and don't care about the animals'

suffering, so go

one " better " and buy the real thing. This was

brought home to

me by the owners of a hunting, shooting and fishing

shop, when I was

debating the morality of their patrons' " hobbies " .

They pointed out

to me that if it was not for women wanting to look

as I did (I was

wearing a fake fur coat) there would be no market for

skins.

Humanity simply cannot be trusted. I feel the same way about

fake

leather. Until we as a species lose the idea that animals are

commodities,

they will continue to suffer. If I wear fake leather,

unless I explain

to everyone with whom I come into contact that it

*is* fake, that

it just *looks* real, then I am perpetuating the idea

that wearing

animal skin is acceptable.

 

Personally I

avoid all such things like the plague. Animal prints

are a more

subtle form of reinforcement, but why do it anyway? Wear

them until they

wear out then don't replace would be my advice.

 

A newborn baby

human's skin is the most divine texture in the world,

but who amongst

us would feel comfortable wearing faux baby skin? I

would like to

see the same unease about animal skin. Fakes won't do

that.

 

Cheers

Cathy

 

 

[Guest guest]

u could just send them to me

*smiles*

 

 

" Viv " <vc27 wrote:

 

>But what about my wonderful purple DM’s? They look like leather – can’t I

>wear them any more? :-(

>

>Viv

>07905 175002

> " You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji "

>www.veganvillage.co.uk <http://www.veganvillage.co.uk/>

>www.veganstore.co.uk <http://www.veganvillage.co.uk/>

>

>

>

>cathyjupp [cj]

>Monday, September 16, 2002 7:56 AM

>

> Re: veiw on animal prints faux fur & pleather?????

>

>, casey thompson <veganmunkee> wrote:

>> here's how i see it...... you wearing faux fur shows

>> people that you can still have the style without

>> killing the animal

>

>

>Except........

>

>People see the style, like it, and don't care about the animals'

>suffering, so go one " better " and buy the real thing.  This was

>brought home to me by the owners of a hunting, shooting and fishing

>shop, when I was debating the morality of their patrons' " hobbies " .

>They pointed out to me that if it was not for women wanting to look

>as I did (I was wearing a fake fur coat) there would be no market for

>skins.  Humanity simply cannot be trusted.  I feel the same way about

>fake leather.  Until we as a species lose the idea that animals are

>commodities, they will continue to suffer.  If I wear fake leather,

>unless I explain to everyone with whom I come into contact that it

>*is* fake, that it just *looks* real, then I am perpetuating the idea

>that wearing animal skin is acceptable.

>

>Personally I avoid all such things like the plague.  Animal prints

>are a more subtle form of reinforcement, but why do it anyway?  Wear

>them until they wear out then don't replace would be my advice.

>

>A newborn baby human's skin is the most divine texture in the world,

>but who amongst us would feel comfortable wearing faux baby skin? I

>would like to see the same unease about animal skin.  Fakes won't do

>that.

>

>Cheers

>Cathy

>

>

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[Guest guest]

No!

Anyway, someone told me your feet are too big, curl up at the ends & are

all hairy…

 

Viv

07905 175002

" You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji "

www.veganvillage.co.uk

www.veganstore.co.uk

 

 

 

EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]

Tuesday, September 17, 2002

12:12 AM

 

RE: Re: veiw

on animal prints faux fur & pleather?????

 

 

u could just

send them to me

*smiles*

 

 

" Viv "

<vc27 wrote:

 

>But what

about my wonderful purple DM’s? They look like leather – can’t I

>wear them

any more? :-(

>

 

[Guest guest]

Viv,

 

Personally I think you can wear whatever you want. I think it is an

individual choice and if you are comfortable, than why not. I could

never give up my pleather boots!

 

nikki

 

, " Viv " <vc27@n...> wrote:

> But what about my wonderful purple DM's? They look like leather –

can't I

> wear them any more? :-(

>

> Viv

> 07905 175002

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> www.veganstore.co.uk <http://www.veganvillage.co.uk/>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Of course she can wear whatever she wants. She's human - she has all

the choices.

 

I use to think I could never give up cheese. I underestimated myself.

 

No animal suffers to produce non-skin materials, as far as I know.

That's fine if all you're interested in is keeping your conscience

clear. But if you want to start to change attitudes, which is the

only thing that will bring about a lessening of animal suffering,

then in my humble(ish) opinion, you have to go a little further. As

I said before, nobody wil know that they are not leather.

 

But, at then end of the day, people will do whatever suits them. We

always have.

 

Cathy

 

 

 

, " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> Viv,

>

> Personally I think you can wear whatever you want. I think it is an

> individual choice and if you are comfortable, than why not. I could

> never give up my pleather boots!

>

> nikki

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Cathy!

 

As I said before, I think you have a good point on this. But if I am

wearing my boots and someone says to me, hey, nice boots! I can then

say, yep! And they're pleather.

What's pleather?

Why, it's imitation leather!

Oh!

Yes, I wear these beautiful boots and no animals were harmed. PLUS! I

spend 1/4 of the cost and can donate some of that money to the

animals.

Why, ya don't say

 

er something like that

 

but, if ya don't wear these - no one will know that it is because you

are an animal rights activist

-not saying that you should wear them

just saying that there are so many lines to cross and crosses to bear

and we do these all fer our beliefs

and no matter what anyone believes I feel they are all right if tru

to themselves.

 

so iu refuse to feel guilty about my fashion choices when I am making

those decisions with a clear concious

so kudos to you fer yer beliefs

and keep making yer points, because many here I am sure agree with you

and that's ok

tis what makes us all individuals

 

nikki

 

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> Of course she can wear whatever she wants. She's human - she has

all

> the choices.

>

> I use to think I could never give up cheese. I underestimated

myself.

>

> No animal suffers to produce non-skin materials, as far as I know.

> That's fine if all you're interested in is keeping your conscience

> clear. But if you want to start to change attitudes, which is the

> only thing that will bring about a lessening of animal suffering,

> then in my humble(ish) opinion, you have to go a little further.

As

> I said before, nobody wil know that they are not leather.

>

> But, at then end of the day, people will do whatever suits them.

We

> always have.

>

> Cathy

>

>

[Guest guest]

my toes only curl up when a house falls on me......

 

and, my toes are hairy..not my feet...wot am i, a bloody hobbit???

come on Viv!!! you don't want those shoes anymore!!!!! i'm helping you!!!

*looks sincere*

fraggle

 

 

 

" Viv " <vc27 wrote:

 

>No! Anyway, someone told me your feet are too big, curl up at the ends & are

>all hairy…

>

>Viv

>07905 175002

> " You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji "

>www.veganvillage.co.uk <http://www.veganvillage.co.uk/>

>www.veganstore.co.uk <http://www.veganvillage.co.uk/>

>

>

>

>EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]

>Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:12 AM

>

>RE: Re: veiw on animal prints faux fur & pleather?????

>

>

>u could just send them to me

>

>*smiles*

>

>

> " Viv " <vc27 wrote:

>

>>But what about my wonderful purple DM’s? They look like leather – can’t I

>>wear them any more? :-(

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

Nothing I have said should be construed as an attack on you or Viv

(she'd probably beat me up anyway!)

Having said which - I have to say that in 20 years of wearing non-

animal shoes, not once has anyone ever commented and thus given me

the opportunity of declaring them to be cruelty-free. Still, maybe

you wear more attractive footwear than me.

Cheers

Cathy

[Guest guest]

Hi Fraggle

 

> and, my toes are hairy..not my feet...wot am i, a bloody hobbit???

 

Hey - there's no need to start insulting hobbits :-(

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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ah a Hobbit!

 

Jo

 

 

 

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I agree with you Nikki. Peter has some smashing unleather shoes, but you

cannot tell that they are not leather - same with his trainers.

 

Jo

> As I said before, I think you have a good point on this. But if I am

> wearing my boots and someone says to me, hey, nice boots! I can then

> say, yep! And they're pleather.

 

 

 

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unfortunatly, cotton and hemp look rather...boring..to me

not saying my tastes are everyones tastes..not at all..just i'm not into the

look, the feel, the fabric of our lives..sorry..american commercial..

anyways...

fraggle

 

 

" Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote:

 

>I agree with you Nikki.  Peter has some smashing unleather shoes, but you

>cannot tell that they are not leather - same with his trainers.

>

>Jo

>> As I said before, I think you have a good point on this. But if I am

>> wearing my boots and someone says to me, hey, nice boots! I can then

>> say, yep! And they're pleather.

>

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Hey Cathy!

 

Aw shoot, if I cam across that way, didn't mean to

i know yer not attacking me

yer just expressing yer opinion and it's a good thing

we all need to look at every angle to make a judgement call

 

and nothin' wrong with both of us sticking to our originals

 

take care,

nikki

 

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

> Nothing I have said should be construed as an attack on you or Viv

> (she'd probably beat me up anyway!)

> Having said which - I have to say that in 20 years of wearing non-

> animal shoes, not once has anyone ever commented and thus given me

> the opportunity of declaring them to be cruelty-free. Still, maybe

> you wear more attractive footwear than me.

> Cheers

> Cathy