vegan question

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I had a discussion with a couple of vegans yesterday and learned that

honey is not vegan - any rationale out there? (I was told, becasue it

come from bees - I want a better answer.)

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy.... I wish I could give you a better answer, but I have heard the

same thing...

 

Sara in Toronto

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I had a discussion with a couple of vegans yesterday and learned that

honey is not vegan - any rationale out there? (I was told, becasue it

come from bees - I want a better answer.)

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Honey is not vegan because bees are killed when the hives are smoked to get the

honey out.

That being said, some vegans still eat honey.

Jamie

Veggie for 8 years, vegan for 7 months!

 

" Elgie, Sarah CAR " <thelittleprincess79 wrote:

Hi Amy.... I wish I could give you a better answer, but I have heard the

same thing...

 

Sara in Toronto

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I had a discussion with a couple of vegans yesterday and learned that

honey is not vegan - any rationale out there? (I was told, becasue it

come from bees - I want a better answer.)

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Honey is not vegan because bees are killed when the hives are

smoked to get the honey out.

> That being said, some vegans still eat honey.

 

Thanks - anyone know if the bees are fed anything to help increase

their honey production?

[Guest guest]

I don't know of any specific instances but I know the USDA is trying to develop

hormones to " control " honey bees. I would ASSume that if there is a way to do

it then someone does it.

 

Hope that helps some,

jamie

 

" Amy P. " <aviva_ha> wrote:

 

 

> Honey is not vegan because bees are killed when the hives are

smoked to get the honey out.

> That being said, some vegans still eat honey.

 

Thanks - anyone know if the bees are fed anything to help increase

their honey production?

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>

> I had a discussion with a couple of vegans yesterday and learned that

> honey is not vegan - any rationale out there? (I was told, becasue it

> come from bees - I want a better answer.)

>

 

Well, since it " comes from " bees, that makes it on par with milk,

which " comes from " another animal, a cow, and so it's not vegan. Honey

is produced as nourishment for young, just like milk. To get honey to

market, life forms are farmed to produce a product.

 

I have also seen the argument that commercial honey production often

involves killing the bees for various reasons, including if they don't

produce as much as expected -- meaning they are considered expendable

for convenience's sake. I don't doubt this is true. Obviously, if the

commercial food market devalues the life of a cow (or lamb or pig or

chicken), think how it views a bee...not even a mammal, but a " pesky "

insect.

 

I am not vegan myself, btw, although I am considering making " vegan

days " in my week to cut my consumption of these products, including

honey, but mostly dairy. Right now, I usually only use honey in

medicinal teas. I prefer stevia and organic and turbinado sugars

anyway.

 

HTH,

Janet V

[Guest guest]

I'm an on-off vegan. I'm slowly working toward doing it completely, but taking

baby steps, and doing it for longer and longer periods at a time. I never EVER

drink milk since I discovered silk soymilk (took me a while to get used to it

but now, yum!). Mostly the problem has been giving up thinngs that have animal

products in their ingredients, but are not animal products themselves (like many

baked goods, or things that have small amounts of cheese ) I also eat eggs

when I can get them from a certain friend who has chickens (mostly as pets, most

are too old to lay, but some of them do lay eggs) who are kept in a humane

environment and whose caretaker actually cares about them! That usually happens

about once a month, and other than that I don't eat eggs, since even the

" free-range " are still factory-farmed and killed when their production

declines...

 

PS..How is tofurky??? I always try to get really meat-like stuff for family

gatherings, not too many veggies, and am inching towards acceptance. Plus,

relatives have been eating less meat!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bunny,

My family are heavy meat eaters but my vegan gravy is always a

big hit at family gatherings... last year i made everything vegan

though i bought the vegan pies [two dinners at thanksgiving and

two more at christmas] . My sis-n-law cooked a turkey but that

was it.

Vegan gravy:

Bake or pan cook TSP [textured soy protein] after adding tamari,

water and seasonings [garlic, onion, cumin, paparika, italian

herbs] with expreller-pressed oil. There are some combos like

Trader Jo's 31 Salute if you dont want to create your own mix...

When the soy bits are chewy, add lots of water and more

soysauce [and miso if you like]. I thicken mine with flour or

cornstarch and nutritional yeast and it is always tasty over grains,

potatoes, etc. Learning to create sauces and gravys can jazz up

a meal.

 

<bunnyresq> wrote:

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> I'm an on-off vegan.

>

> PS..How is tofurky??? I always try to get really meat-like stuff

for family gatherings, not too many veggies, and am inching

towards acceptance. Plus, relatives have been eating less

meat!!

[Guest guest]

I know a lot of vegans who eat honey (I'm one of them.) They can leave any

time they want, so I'm not sure what the big deal is.

 

Veronica

 

At 01:38 PM 11/29/2004 +0000, you wrote:

 

>I had a discussion with a couple of vegans yesterday and learned that

>honey is not vegan - any rationale out there? (I was told, becasue it

>come from bees - I want a better answer.)