tofurkey; honey, wool, etc. (Was Vegan Question)

[Guest guest]

Tofurkey's pretty good, though it does take a little time/labor.

Basically you crumble up tofu in a colendar with a smoothdishtowel for

draining, scoop out the inside for your veg stuffing, retop with the

tofu you took out, invert, shape, baste periodically, and bake.

Predictably, it comes out like baked tofu with a flavored light crust

and stuffing, and I've served it to non-veggies and they liked it.

Next time I may experiment at flavoring the tofu itself more -- touch

of smoke flaver, garlic/herbs, something. As any good Thanksgiving

alternative should, it makes excellent leftovers ;-)

 

Regarding the earlier honey question, there are different definitions

of vegan, but the basic principle is eliminating the use of animals as

resource. PETA had some info on honey at

 

* http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=122

 

For most, the same principle extends to boiling silkworms alive or

exploiting sheep to harvest wool, though I still have a few last

things to replace there. There's a good factsheet on that one too (I

used to think it was more benign), at

 

* http://www.peta.org/factsheetFactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=55

 

On the other hand, I wear a lot of fleece and other things anyway.

There's further interesting factsheet reading for anyone interested

starting at

 

* http://www.peta.org/mc/facts.asp

 

 

, RR/LA Small Pet Rescue

<bunnyresq> wrote:

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> I'm an on-off vegan. I'm slowly working toward doing it completely,

but taking baby steps, and doing it for longer and longer periods at a

time. I never EVER drink milk since I discovered silk soymilk (took

me a while to get used to it but now, yum!). Mostly the problem has

been giving up thinngs that have animal products in their ingredients,

but are not animal products themselves (like many baked goods, or

things that have small amounts of cheese ) I also eat eggs when I

can get them from a certain friend who has chickens (mostly as pets,

most are too old to lay, but some of them do lay eggs) who are kept in

a humane environment and whose caretaker actually cares about them!

That usually happens about once a month, and other than that I don't

eat eggs, since even the " free-range " are still factory-farmed and

killed when their production declines...

>

> PS..How is tofurky??? I always try to get really meat-like stuff

for family gatherings, not too many veggies, and am inching towards

acceptance. Plus, relatives have been eating less meat!!

>

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[Guest guest]

Seems I just don't get all the interest in attempting

to mock the shape and taste of the traditional ritual

of celebrating the mass slaughter and comsumption of

large freathered folk!

 

I have more to be thankful for than fake dead bird. :^)

 

=====

" The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing anybody. If

people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer

misunderstandings. "

From Kinky Friedman's

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You make a good point, but some of us didn't quit meat because we didn't

like the taste of meat...we did it for ethical reasons. Faux meats date

back at least to early Buddhist monks who also found slaughter unethical,

but still missed the taste. I can see why you wouldn't want to even see a

pretend dead bird, though.

 

Veronica

 

 

>Seems I just don't get all the interest in attempting

>to mock the shape and taste of the traditional ritual

>of celebrating the mass slaughter and comsumption of

>large freathered folk!

>

>I have more to be thankful for than fake dead bird. :^)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree. I don't want my food to look or taste like dead animal body

parts.

" Be kind to animals... by not eating them " ,

William Scott

 

--- Diamond Dog <diamonddog wrote:

 

> You make a good point, but some of us didn't quit meat because we

> didn't

> like the taste of meat...we did it for ethical reasons. Faux meats

> date

> back at least to early Buddhist monks who also found slaughter

> unethical,

> but still missed the taste. I can see why you wouldn't want to even

> see a

> pretend dead bird, though.

>

> Veronica

>

>

> >Seems I just don't get all the interest in attempting

> >to mock the shape and taste of the traditional ritual

> >of celebrating the mass slaughter and comsumption of

> >large freathered folk!

> >

> >I have more to be thankful for than fake dead bird. :^)

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The first year I was a vegan, I didn't eat any fake meats, partly because I

didn't

know about them at first, partly because I didn't want to imitate my old life,

and

partly because when I found out about them, I thought they were relatively

expensive. But later I started buying them for things like picnics and family

parties -- even the varieties that weren't vegan, because I hoped to show my

family that the vegetarian versions were just as good as what they would

expect. And I didn't want to have to serve them meat.

 

Now I continue to eat fake meats occasionally because they're high in protein,

and I can cook a quick dinner without having to think outside the box. (I'm not

much of a cook.)

 

On the one hand, I like to promote the things that taste authentic. On the

other, I really like Amy's California Burgers, because they don't taste like

burgers, and are good plain without ketchup or anything.

 

What I miss most is a good tasting vegan cheeze. I've doctored up vegan

pizzas with extra spaghetti sauce and garlic to hide the taste of the soy

cheeze. But it would be nice if I could find one that doesn't need to be

doctored up. I'm afraid to shop around, thinking it will just be a waste of

money, if I don't like the taste.

 

Sue

 

 

 

> >Seems I just don't get all the interest in attempting

> >to mock the shape and taste of the traditional ritual

> >of celebrating the mass slaughter and comsumption of

> >large freathered folk!

> >

> >I have more to be thankful for than fake dead bird. :^)

[Guest guest]

Faux meats date

> back at least to early Buddhist monks who also found slaughter

unethical,

> but still missed the taste.

 

Not may area of knowledge, but I thought Buddhist Monks, eat what

they are given.....

 

I have been to a local Buddhist place (actually a few here in

Washington DC - I dated a buy who was interested in Buddhism for a

while) and they were served meat.....

[Guest guest]

I have found that a pizza with just extra tomato sauce and heaps of

veggies (tomatoes, onions, bell peppers, jalapenos, mushrooms, black

olives and green olives; plus pineapple when I'm in the mood for it)

more than satisfies my pizza craving without any cheese:) My favorites

place to get one is called Mr. Gatti's Pizza. I don't know if they are

outside of Texas, tho. Of course, making your own works too:)

 

Debra

 

 

 

Debra Lee Thompson

 

Analyst - Mortgage I

 

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

 

debrathompson <debrathompson

 

214.492.7402

 

pwwp98 [pwwp98]

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:03 PM

Re: tofurkey; honey, wool, etc.

(Was Vegan Question)

 

 

 

The first year I was a vegan, I didn't eat any fake meats,

partly because I didn't

know about them at first, partly because I didn't want to

imitate my old life, and

partly because when I found out about them, I thought they were

relatively

expensive. But later I started buying them for things like

picnics and family

parties -- even the varieties that weren't vegan, because I

hoped to show my

family that the vegetarian versions were just as good as what

they would

expect. And I didn't want to have to serve them meat.

 

Now I continue to eat fake meats occasionally because they're

high in protein,

and I can cook a quick dinner without having to think outside

the box. (I'm not

much of a cook.)

 

On the one hand, I like to promote the things that taste

authentic. On the

other, I really like Amy's California Burgers, because they

don't taste like

burgers, and are good plain without ketchup or anything.

 

What I miss most is a good tasting vegan cheeze. I've doctored

up vegan

pizzas with extra spaghetti sauce and garlic to hide the taste

of the soy

cheeze. But it would be nice if I could find one that doesn't

need to be

doctored up. I'm afraid to shop around, thinking it will just

be a waste of

money, if I don't like the taste.

 

Sue

 

 

 

> >Seems I just don't get all the interest in attempting

> >to mock the shape and taste of the traditional ritual

> >of celebrating the mass slaughter and comsumption of

> >large freathered folk!

> >

> >I have more to be thankful for than fake dead bird. :^)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>

>Not may area of knowledge, but I thought Buddhist Monks, eat what

>they are given.....

 

Therevedic travelling monks do, but mahayana Buddhist monasteries often are

known for their yummy vegetarian food (there are some yummy veg cookbooks

by them out there.) Since we take a vow to liberate animals in mahayana

Buddhism, it sounds pretty clear to me, but yes, there are Buddhists who

eat meat claiming that if they didn't kill the animal personally or of it

wasn't killed for them personally, it's okay. I feel this is just passing

one's bad karma onto the butcher...and I realize in Tibet it is very hard

to grow anything (a veg friend of mine went there and the only thing he

could eat was tomatoes and rice) so they eat yak because they are very

large animals so they take fewer lives than if they ate, say, chickens. In

western Buddhism and Zen (the practice I engage in), veggie lifestyles are

far more common.

 

Many restaurants offer " Buddha's Delight " on their menus as a totally veg

option for this reason, or " Buddha's Whole Fish " which is a faux fish made

of seitan.

 

At one restaurant in San Francisco, my friend noticed that the vegetarian

menu had several duck dishes listed. She called the waiter and asked about

them, since duck is, well, meat. The waiter laughed and replied, " No no!

Not duck quack quack! Duck that grows in the ground! " It was actually

quite a delicious dish of soy based " duck " .

 

Here are some fun recipe links. Enjoy!

http://www.roseandpeaches.com/zenchef.htm

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showforum=35

 

Veronica

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I like pizza with no tomatoes or cheese. Use pesto (the kind that

contains pine nuts and basil, garlic, olive oil, salt. (extra pesto

will store in the fridge with a thin layer of olive oil on top).

Spread the pesto generously on the crust. Add whatever toppings you

like. Mushrooms, olives, onions, grated carrot, whatever. I've never

tried it with pineapple. You can use walnuts or hazelnuts instead

of pine nuts but it is nicer with pine nuts.

 

Some of the commercial pestos work well too.

 

 

, " Thompson, Debra lee "

<Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> I have found that a pizza with just extra tomato sauce and heaps of

> veggies (tomatoes, onions, bell peppers, jalapenos, mushrooms,

black

> olives and green olives; plus pineapple when I'm in the mood for

it)

> more than satisfies my pizza craving without any cheese:) My

favorites

> place to get one is called Mr. Gatti's Pizza. I don't know if

they are

> outside of Texas, tho. Of course, making your own works too:)

>

> Debra

>

>

>

> Debra Lee Thompson

>

> Analyst - Mortgage I

>

> First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

>

> debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

>

> 214.492.7402

>

>

> pwwp98 [pwwp98]

> Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:03 PM

>

> Re: tofurkey; honey, wool, etc.

> (Was Vegan Question)

>

>

>

> The first year I was a vegan, I didn't eat any fake meats,

> partly because I didn't

> know about them at first, partly because I didn't want to

> imitate my old life, and

> partly because when I found out about them, I thought they

were

> relatively

> expensive. But later I started buying them for things like

> picnics and family

> parties -- even the varieties that weren't vegan, because I

> hoped to show my

> family that the vegetarian versions were just as good as what

> they would

> expect. And I didn't want to have to serve them meat.

>

> Now I continue to eat fake meats occasionally because they're

> high in protein,

> and I can cook a quick dinner without having to think outside

> the box. (I'm not

> much of a cook.)

>

> On the one hand, I like to promote the things that taste

> authentic. On the

> other, I really like Amy's California Burgers, because they

> don't taste like

> burgers, and are good plain without ketchup or anything.

>

> What I miss most is a good tasting vegan cheeze. I've

doctored

> up vegan

> pizzas with extra spaghetti sauce and garlic to hide the

taste

> of the soy

> cheeze. But it would be nice if I could find one that

doesn't

> need to be

> doctored up. I'm afraid to shop around, thinking it will

just

> be a waste of

> money, if I don't like the taste.

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> > >Seems I just don't get all the interest in attempting

> > >to mock the shape and taste of the traditional ritual

> > >of celebrating the mass slaughter and comsumption of

> > >large freathered folk!

> > >

> > >I have more to be thankful for than fake dead bird. :^)

 

[Guest guest]

YUM!!!!! I love pesto:) I'll try that too!

 

 

 

Debra Lee Thompson

 

Analyst - Mortgage I

 

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

 

debrathompson <debrathompson

 

214.492.7402

 

Judy [jkyrala2]

Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:09 AM

Re: tofurkey; honey, wool, etc.

(Was Vegan Question)

 

 

 

I like pizza with no tomatoes or cheese. Use pesto (the kind

that

contains pine nuts and basil, garlic, olive oil, salt. (extra

pesto

will store in the fridge with a thin layer of olive oil on top).

 

Spread the pesto generously on the crust. Add whatever toppings

you

like. Mushrooms, olives, onions, grated carrot, whatever. I've

never

tried it with pineapple. You can use walnuts or hazelnuts

instead

of pine nuts but it is nicer with pine nuts.

 

Some of the commercial pestos work well too.

 

 

, " Thompson, Debra lee "

 

<Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> I have found that a pizza with just extra tomato sauce and

heaps of

> veggies (tomatoes, onions, bell peppers, jalapenos, mushrooms,

 

black

> olives and green olives; plus pineapple when I'm in the mood

for

it)

> more than satisfies my pizza craving without any cheese:) My

favorites

> place to get one is called Mr. Gatti's Pizza. I don't know if

 

they are

> outside of Texas, tho. Of course, making your own works

too:)

>

> Debra

>

>

>

> Debra Lee Thompson

>

> Analyst - Mortgage I

>

> First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

>

> debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

>

> 214.492.7402

>

>

> pwwp98 [pwwp98]

> Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:03 PM

>

> Re: tofurkey; honey, wool,

etc.

> (Was Vegan Question)

>

>

>

> The first year I was a vegan, I didn't eat any fake

meats,

> partly because I didn't

> know about them at first, partly because I didn't want

to

> imitate my old life, and

> partly because when I found out about them, I thought

they

were

> relatively

> expensive. But later I started buying them for things

like

> picnics and family

> parties -- even the varieties that weren't vegan,

because I

> hoped to show my

> family that the vegetarian versions were just as good as

what

> they would

> expect. And I didn't want to have to serve them meat.

>

> Now I continue to eat fake meats occasionally because

they're

> high in protein,

> and I can cook a quick dinner without having to think

outside

> the box. (I'm not

> much of a cook.)

>

> On the one hand, I like to promote the things that taste

> authentic. On the

> other, I really like Amy's California Burgers, because

they

> don't taste like

> burgers, and are good plain without ketchup or anything.

>

> What I miss most is a good tasting vegan cheeze. I've

doctored

> up vegan

> pizzas with extra spaghetti sauce and garlic to hide the

 

taste

> of the soy

> cheeze. But it would be nice if I could find one that

doesn't

> need to be

> doctored up. I'm afraid to shop around, thinking it

will

just

> be a waste of

> money, if I don't like the taste.

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> > >Seems I just don't get all the interest in attempting

> > >to mock the shape and taste of the traditional ritual

> > >of celebrating the mass slaughter and comsumption of

> > >large freathered folk!

> > >

> > >I have more to be thankful for than fake dead bird.

:^)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>