The scoop on gelatin/gelatine and marshmallows

November 30, 2004

What is gelatin/gelatine? Is there any alternative to it?

Gelatin (US spelling) or gelatine (British spelling) (used to make

Jell-o and other desserts) is made from the boiled bones, skins and

tendons of animals. An alternative substance is called Agar-Agar, which

is derived from seaweed. Another is made from the root of the Kuzu.

Agar-Agar is sold in noodle-like strands, in powdered form, or in long

blocks, and is usually white-ish in color.

Some Kosher gelatins are made with agar-agar, most are not. Some things

that are vegan that are replacing gelatin are: guar gum and carrageenan.

Only some 'emulsifiers' are vegan. Gelatin is used in photography.

Although the technology exists to replace photographic film, its price

is currently prohibitive and there is insufficient demand. Hopefully,

with the growth of vegetarianism and veganism, this situation will soon

change.

What is kosher gelatine?

from the Vegetarian Resource Group <http://www.vrg.org/> :

Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins. Contrary

to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy

products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used in

gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of pareve

refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people assume

this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve certified

ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and gelatin,

in them.

" Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve', " an article

that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A quote

from the article is as follows:

" ...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh -

and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered

'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products. "

Is there vegan gelatine?

from a reader in Germany:

" Gelatine " is a substance made of animal bones and other parts of the

animal's body. So if there's a product with " gelatine " , it can't be

vegan.

But there exists a big variety of substances which are vegan an which

have the same properties as gelatine: Cellulose (Amid), Agar-Agar,

Biobin, Guar, Xanthan, Carob fruit and others. (Unfortunately I do not

know the exact english names, but maybe this will help you already.).

So if you read on the ingredient list that gelatine is used, then you

can be sure that this product is NOT vegan. But if one or more of the

other mentioned subsances appear on the list, you can be sure that you

can eat them even as vegan.

from a reader in the USA:

There must be, because I just attended a Vegan Thanksgiving Dinner at

one of the NYU residence halls, and the organizers said that the Jell-O

served was a special vegan jell-o.

from another US reader:

Hain makes a Jello product with non-animal gelling substance (no meat,

bone, skin, hoof, or any other part/derivative) that is superior to

Jello. Also, some 'snack pack' gel snacks are NOT made with gelatin, and

available in larger grocery stores (even in texas!), just read the

label.

Are there any other foods like gelatin out there?

Rennet, traditionally used as a coagulating agent in cheese making, is

derived from the digestive juices of slaughtered calves. Rennet is like

gelatin in the sense that it's a common food additive but the foods

containing it are often considered vegetarian. See Eggs & Dairy

<http://www.ivu.org/faq/eggsdairy.html> for further details.

Further information:

* Vegetarian Gelling Agents

<http://www.vegsoc.org/info/gelling.html> (Vegetarian Society UK

Information Sheet)

Is Halal gelatine vegetarian?

from a Muslim reader:

Halal simply means that the animal has been killed according to Islamic

law. So it is possible for gelatin to be halal but NOT vegetarian.

_____

source: http://www.ivu.org/faq/gelatine.html

Debra Lee Thompson

Analyst - Mortgage I

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

debrathompson <debrathompson

214.492.7402

Amy P. [aviva_ha]

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:29 AM

Re: veggie type

> If you think vegetarian, but not vegan marshmallows would be

ok...

get kosher.

Personally, I do, but I know others want vegan. I tried to make

marshmallows before I found kosher marshmallows.

November 30, 2004

> Hain makes a Jello product with non-animal gelling substance (no

meat,

> bone, skin, hoof, or any other part/derivative) that is superior to

> Jello. Also, some 'snack pack' gel snacks are NOT made with

gelatin, and

> available in larger grocery stores (even in texas!), just read the

> label.

Very enlightening. I am glad that Hain is my Jello & pudding of

choice. It is kosher and veggie. I knew some kosher gelatines use

fish - not an issue for me, but I did not know all of the ins and

outs.

November 30, 2004

Hi!

I'm new to the list and live in Arizona - the part with snow this

time of year.

Agar-agar can be used as a substitute for gelatine in any recipe. I

use the conversions on the package and it seems to work fine. If you

have a pharmacist friend you can order it through the pharmacy for

quite a savings over health food stores. It really is better than

gelatine - it doesn't get mushy in warm rooms. I add my own

flavorings via juices or savory additions.

, " Thompson, Debra lee "

<Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> What is gelatin/gelatine? Is there any alternative to it?

>

> Gelatin (US spelling) or gelatine (British spelling) (used to make

> Jell-o and other desserts) is made from the boiled bones, skins and

> tendons of animals. An alternative substance is called Agar-Agar,

which

> is derived from seaweed. Another is made from the root of the Kuzu.

> Agar-Agar is sold in noodle-like strands, in powdered form, or in

long

> blocks, and is usually white-ish in color.

>

> Some Kosher gelatins are made with agar-agar, most are not. Some

things

> that are vegan that are replacing gelatin are: guar gum and

carrageenan.

> Only some 'emulsifiers' are vegan. Gelatin is used in photography.

> Although the technology exists to replace photographic film, its

price

> is currently prohibitive and there is insufficient demand.

Hopefully,

> with the growth of vegetarianism and veganism, this situation will

soon

> change.

>

> What is kosher gelatine?

>

> from the Vegetarian Resource Group <http://www.vrg.org/> :

> Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins.

Contrary

> to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy

> products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used

in

> gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of

pareve

> refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people

assume

> this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve

certified

> ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and

gelatin,

> in them.

> " Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve', " an

article

> that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A

quote

> from the article is as follows:

> " ...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real

flesh -

> and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer

considered

> 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy

products. "

>

> Is there vegan gelatine?

>

> from a reader in Germany:

> " Gelatine " is a substance made of animal bones and other parts of

the

> animal's body. So if there's a product with " gelatine " , it can't be

> vegan.

> But there exists a big variety of substances which are vegan an

which

> have the same properties as gelatine: Cellulose (Amid), Agar-Agar,

> Biobin, Guar, Xanthan, Carob fruit and others. (Unfortunately I do

not

> know the exact english names, but maybe this will help you

already.).

> So if you read on the ingredient list that gelatine is used, then

you

> can be sure that this product is NOT vegan. But if one or more of

the

> other mentioned subsances appear on the list, you can be sure that

you

> can eat them even as vegan.

>

> from a reader in the USA:

> There must be, because I just attended a Vegan Thanksgiving Dinner

at

> one of the NYU residence halls, and the organizers said that the

Jell-O

> served was a special vegan jell-o.

>

> from another US reader:

> Hain makes a Jello product with non-animal gelling substance (no

meat,

> bone, skin, hoof, or any other part/derivative) that is superior to

> Jello. Also, some 'snack pack' gel snacks are NOT made with

gelatin, and

> available in larger grocery stores (even in texas!), just read the

> label.

>

> Are there any other foods like gelatin out there?

>

> Rennet, traditionally used as a coagulating agent in cheese

making, is

> derived from the digestive juices of slaughtered calves. Rennet is

like

> gelatin in the sense that it's a common food additive but the foods

> containing it are often considered vegetarian. See Eggs & Dairy

> <http://www.ivu.org/faq/eggsdairy.html> for further details.

>

> Further information:

>

> * Vegetarian Gelling Agents

> <http://www.vegsoc.org/info/gelling.html> (Vegetarian Society UK

> Information Sheet)

>

> Is Halal gelatine vegetarian?

>

> from a Muslim reader:

> Halal simply means that the animal has been killed according to

Islamic

> law. So it is possible for gelatin to be halal but NOT vegetarian.

>

> _____

>

> source: http://www.ivu.org/faq/gelatine.html

>

> Debra Lee Thompson

>

> Analyst - Mortgage I

>

> First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

>

> debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

>

> 214.492.7402

>

> Amy P. [aviva_hadas]

> Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:29 AM

>

> Re: veggie type

>

> > If you think vegetarian, but not vegan marshmallows would

be

> ok...

> get kosher.

>

> Personally, I do, but I know others want vegan. I tried to

make

> marshmallows before I found kosher marshmallows.

>

November 30, 2004

, " Thompson, Debra lee "

<Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> What is gelatin/gelatine? Is there any alternative to it?

>

> Gelatin (US spelling) or gelatine (British spelling) (used to make

> Jell-o and other desserts) is made from the boiled bones, skins and

> tendons of animals. An alternative substance is called Agar-Agar,

which

> is derived from seaweed. Another is made from the root of the Kuzu.

> Agar-Agar is sold in noodle-like strands, in powdered form, or in

long

> blocks, and is usually white-ish in color.

>

> Some Kosher gelatins are made with agar-agar, most are not. Some

things

> that are vegan that are replacing gelatin are: guar gum and

carrageenan.

> Only some 'emulsifiers' are vegan. Gelatin is used in photography.

> Although the technology exists to replace photographic film, its

price

> is currently prohibitive and there is insufficient demand.

Hopefully,

> with the growth of vegetarianism and veganism, this situation will

soon

> change.

>

> What is kosher gelatine?

>

> from the Vegetarian Resource Group <http://www.vrg.org/> :

> Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins.

Contrary

> to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy

> products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used

in

> gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of

pareve

> refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people

assume

> this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve

certified

> ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and

gelatin,

> in them.

> " Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve', " an

article

> that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A

quote

> from the article is as follows:

> " ...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real

flesh -

> and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer

considered

> 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy

products. "

>

> Is there vegan gelatine?

>

> from a reader in Germany:

> " Gelatine " is a substance made of animal bones and other parts of

the

> animal's body. So if there's a product with " gelatine " , it can't be

> vegan.

> But there exists a big variety of substances which are vegan an

which

> have the same properties as gelatine: Cellulose (Amid), Agar-Agar,

> Biobin, Guar, Xanthan, Carob fruit and others. (Unfortunately I do

not

> know the exact english names, but maybe this will help you

already.).

> So if you read on the ingredient list that gelatine is used, then

you

> can be sure that this product is NOT vegan. But if one or more of

the

> other mentioned subsances appear on the list, you can be sure that

you

> can eat them even as vegan.

>

> from a reader in the USA:

> There must be, because I just attended a Vegan Thanksgiving Dinner

at

> one of the NYU residence halls, and the organizers said that the

Jell-O

> served was a special vegan jell-o.

>

> from another US reader:

> Hain makes a Jello product with non-animal gelling substance (no

meat,

> bone, skin, hoof, or any other part/derivative) that is superior to

> Jello. Also, some 'snack pack' gel snacks are NOT made with

gelatin, and

> available in larger grocery stores (even in texas!), just read the

> label.

>

> Are there any other foods like gelatin out there?

>

> Rennet, traditionally used as a coagulating agent in cheese

making, is

> derived from the digestive juices of slaughtered calves. Rennet is

like

> gelatin in the sense that it's a common food additive but the foods

> containing it are often considered vegetarian. See Eggs & Dairy

> <http://www.ivu.org/faq/eggsdairy.html> for further details.

>

> Further information:

>

> * Vegetarian Gelling Agents

> <http://www.vegsoc.org/info/gelling.html> (Vegetarian Society UK

> Information Sheet)

>

> Is Halal gelatine vegetarian?

>

> from a Muslim reader:

> Halal simply means that the animal has been killed according to

Islamic

> law. So it is possible for gelatin to be halal but NOT vegetarian.

>

> _____

>

> source: http://www.ivu.org/faq/gelatine.html

>

> Debra Lee Thompson

>

> Analyst - Mortgage I

>

> First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

>

> debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

>

> 214.492.7402

>

> Amy P. [aviva_hadas]

> Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:29 AM

>

> Re: veggie type

>

> > If you think vegetarian, but not vegan marshmallows would

be

> ok...

> get kosher.

>

> Personally, I do, but I know others want vegan. I tried to

make

> marshmallows before I found kosher marshmallows.

>

November 30, 2004

At 07:59 AM 11/30/2004 -0600, you wrote:

>What is gelatin/gelatine? Is there any alternative to it?

Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar. It's great...I often

use it to make vegan " jello shots " for their birthdays.

Veronica

November 30, 2004

Oh and I don't think anyone posted this link...

http://www.veganstore.com/index-store.html?deptid=17119 & parentid=41 & stocknumber=\

850 & page=2 & itemsperpage=12

Veronica

At 09:54 PM 11/30/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>At 07:59 AM 11/30/2004 -0600, you wrote:

> >What is gelatin/gelatine? Is there any alternative to it?

>

>Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar. It's great...I often

>use it to make vegan " jello shots " for their birthdays.

>

>Veronica

December 1, 2004

Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

=====

Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

shots " for their birthdays.

=====

" The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing anybody. If

people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer

misunderstandings. "

From Kinky Friedman's

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

December 1, 2004

Yes, but some kosher gelatins are made from fish parts. Not all are

vegan.

Debra Lee Thompson

Analyst - Mortgage I

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

debrathompson <debrathompson

214.492.7402

Jiraph Wirpel [wirpel]

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:56 AM

Re: The scoop on gelatin/gelatine

and marshmallows

Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

=====

Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

shots " for their birthdays.

=====

" The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing

anybody. If

people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer

misunderstandings. "

From Kinky Friedman's

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

December 1, 2004

I carry a magnifier in my purse, because of the small

print on prepaired food / mix ingedients... aware

while I'm trying to read it that its probably in small

print and low contrast colours because they'd rather I

DIDN'T know what they've put into that can or box!

:^(

=====

Yes, but some kosher gelatins are made from fish

parts. Not all are vegan.

=====

Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

=====

Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

shots " for their birthdays.

=====

" The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing anybody. If

people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer

misunderstandings. "

From Kinky Friedman's

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

The all-new My - What will yours do?

December 1, 2004

It's crazy, isn't it? The stuff they put in food just floors me. I

wonder if anything is completely safe...

Debra Lee Thompson

Analyst - Mortgage I

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

debrathompson <debrathompson

214.492.7402

Jiraph Wirpel [wirpel]

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:13 AM

RE: The scoop on gelatin/gelatine

and marshmallows

I carry a magnifier in my purse, because of the small

print on prepaired food / mix ingedients... aware

while I'm trying to read it that its probably in small

print and low contrast colours because they'd rather I

DIDN'T know what they've put into that can or box!

:^(

=====

Yes, but some kosher gelatins are made from fish

parts. Not all are vegan.

=====

Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

=====

Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

shots " for their birthdays.

=====

" The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing

anybody. If

people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer

misunderstandings. "

From Kinky Friedman's

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

The all-new My - What will yours do?

December 1, 2004

Yeah...I wonder about the safety of some of the ingredients...and I

wonder about the effect they could have on behaviour...I avoid

excess colorings and additives for just these reasons, especially in

what I feed my kids. I don't go overboard and forbid them treats

when they are out with friends or at functions - though they will

often say no thanks and are good about keeping things in

moderation. The things they sell for kids foods and treats are

frightening if you look at the ingredients...well, I think, most are

pretty scary just looking at the front pictures too!!

I have heard that red colorings come from bugs??

It is also my understanding that most kosher gelatins are from a

fish source, we avoid gelatin completely.

m

December 1, 2004

Yes, there is a red dye made from beetles - it's called carmine,

carminic acid, and cochineal acid. It's found in many candies,

popsicles, maraschino cherries, lipsticks, etc.

There are safe, vegan gelatins - you just have to read the packages or

shop online to find them. Another member wrote yesterday that agar agar

is an excellent gelling material, and I've also read where people use

herb teas, natural sugars and plant gelatins to make their own

desserts:) I haven't tried it yet, but wouldn't chamomile/lavender make

a wonderful gelatin?

Debra Lee Thompson

Analyst - Mortgage I

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

debrathompson <debrathompson

214.492.7402

melissa_hopp [hoppmel]

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:31 AM

Re: The scoop on gelatin/gelatine

and marshmallows

Yeah...I wonder about the safety of some of the

ingredients...and I

wonder about the effect they could have on behaviour...I avoid

excess colorings and additives for just these reasons,

especially in

what I feed my kids. I don't go overboard and forbid them

treats

when they are out with friends or at functions - though they

will

often say no thanks and are good about keeping things in

moderation. The things they sell for kids foods and treats are

frightening if you look at the ingredients...well, I think, most

are

pretty scary just looking at the front pictures too!!

I have heard that red colorings come from bugs??

It is also my understanding that most kosher gelatins are from a

fish source, we avoid gelatin completely.

m

December 1, 2004

This is actually really timely. I've got a copy of veggie life that

lists a recipe for vegan marshmallows. I'll try to post it tomorrow,

as I wont be home tonight.

Seattlejo

December 1, 2004

This is true. And unfortunately, and confusingly, kosher rules don't

count fish as meat, so it would be marked P or Pareve, just like the

vegetable fake gelatin. The only way is to read the ingredients list.

But the fact is, I have never actually seen fish-based kosher (or

unkosher for that matter) gelatin for sale in stores, just the

vegetable stuff.

On the other hand, what they use for gelatin in kosher marshmallows,

I cannot say. I'm not even sure vegetable gums would work in a

marshmallow, when it came to toasting them etc. It's like veggie hot

dogs; they can be pretty convincing as boiled hot dogs, but grilled

they don't come out the same at all.

Actually, I've never seen a kosher marshmallow either, but like the

yeti, many people report having seen them.

, " Thompson, Debra lee "

<Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> Yes, but some kosher gelatins are made from fish parts. Not all are

> vegan.

>

> Debra Lee Thompson

>

> Analyst - Mortgage I

>

> First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

>

> debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

>

> 214.492.7402

>

> Jiraph Wirpel [wirpel]

> Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:56 AM

>

> Re: The scoop on

gelatin/gelatine

> and marshmallows

>

> Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

> =====

>

> Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

> It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

> shots " for their birthdays.

>

> =====

> " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing

> anybody. If

> people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer

> misunderstandings. "

> From Kinky Friedman's

> Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

>

December 1, 2004

I'm in a bit of a quandry - I just joined, but realize like my other forays in

vegetarian societies it doesn't quite fit my needs. I follow a macrobiotic diet

and love it more than you can imagine. Previous to macro days I did Fit for

Life and was a big advocate of vegetarianism for a very long time. I feel the

emphasis in macrobiotics on reaching balance in one's life gives much depth to

this way of eating.

So although I can tell you all there is definitely kosher marshmallows and there

were days my kids would love " roasting " them over the gas stove (what a mess)

and even better over campfires, the realization of all the junk (chemicals and

loads and loads of sugar) I just can't get myself to buy it anymore.

As far as gelatin, agar agar is wonderful - you can make sweet jelled food with

fruit and fruit juice or do aspics with vegetables. Agar agar is found in

health food stores. I highly highly advise you to look up a recipe, as too much

agar agar can make it unedible and too little, it won't jell.

It is heartening to see there is so much activity on this list for

vegetariasnism is definitely the right direction. But for myself, I buy very

little in the way of ready foods and many of the other foods mentioned also

don't fit how I eat.

My dream at the moment is to have an organic vegetable garden where most of my

produce can be freshly picked just before cooking. If anyone can advise of a

site that would be helpful in this, I'd most appreciate it.

Thank you.

Klara

gzuckier <gzuckier wrote:

This is true. And unfortunately, and confusingly, kosher rules don't

count fish as meat, so it would be marked P or Pareve, just like the

vegetable fake gelatin. The only way is to read the ingredients list.

But the fact is, I have never actually seen fish-based kosher (or

unkosher for that matter) gelatin for sale in stores, just the

vegetable stuff.

On the other hand, what they use for gelatin in kosher marshmallows,

I cannot say. I'm not even sure vegetable gums would work in a

marshmallow, when it came to toasting them etc. It's like veggie hot

dogs; they can be pretty convincing as boiled hot dogs, but grilled

they don't come out the same at all.

Actually, I've never seen a kosher marshmallow either, but like the

yeti, many people report having seen them.

, " Thompson, Debra lee "

<Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> Yes, but some kosher gelatins are made from fish parts. Not all are

> vegan.

>

> Debra Lee Thompson

>

> Analyst - Mortgage I

>

> First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

>

> debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

>

> 214.492.7402

>

> Jiraph Wirpel [wirpel]

> Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:56 AM

>

> Re: The scoop on

gelatin/gelatine

> and marshmallows

>

> Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

> =====

>

> Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

> It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

> shots " for their birthdays.

>

> =====

> " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing

> anybody. If

> people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer

> misunderstandings. "

> From Kinky Friedman's

> Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

>

December 3, 2004

Hi! I'm also rather new to the group and I am learning macrobiotics.

I agree .. agar-agar (or kanten is Oshawa's recipes) is the best..

even if you are not vegetarian. It may also be used as an ointment

base.

1 t of agar-agar powder = 1 t unflavored gelatin powder

Here is a web site with details on uses.

http://www.bulkfoods.com/agar_agar.htm

This site and Amazon.com sell it for about $1.98/oz. Less if bought

in larger quantitites.

" Natural agar agar is unflavored producing a firm, clear jelly and

is rich in iodine and trace minerals and has mildly laxative

properties.

The flakes are produced by a traditional method of cooking and

pressing the sea vegetables and then naturally freeze-drying the

residue to form bars which are then powdered or flaked for easier

packageing and transport.

Agar agar has stronger setting properties and, unlike gelatin which

requires refrigeration to set, it will set at room temperature after

about an hour - although it is advisable to store dishes gelled with

agar agar in the fridge as it is a high protein food. "

, Klara LeVine

<klara_levine> wrote:

> I'm in a bit of a quandry - I just joined, but realize like my

other forays in vegetarian societies it doesn't quite fit my needs.

I follow a macrobiotic diet and love it more than you can imagine.

Previous to macro days I did Fit for Life and was a big advocate of

vegetarianism for a very long time. I feel the emphasis in

macrobiotics on reaching balance in one's life gives much depth to

this way of eating.

>

> So although I can tell you all there is definitely kosher

marshmallows and there were days my kids would love " roasting " them

over the gas stove (what a mess) and even better over campfires, the

realization of all the junk (chemicals and loads and loads of sugar)

I just can't get myself to buy it anymore.

>

> As far as gelatin, agar agar is wonderful - you can make sweet

jelled food with fruit and fruit juice or do aspics with

vegetables. Agar agar is found in health food stores. I highly

highly advise you to look up a recipe, as too much agar agar can

make it unedible and too little, it won't jell.

>

> It is heartening to see there is so much activity on this list for

vegetariasnism is definitely the right direction. But for myself, I

buy very little in the way of ready foods and many of the other

foods mentioned also don't fit how I eat.

>

> My dream at the moment is to have an organic vegetable garden

where most of my produce can be freshly picked just before cooking.

If anyone can advise of a site that would be helpful in this, I'd

most appreciate it.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Klara

>

> gzuckier <gzuckier> wrote:

>

> This is true. And unfortunately, and confusingly, kosher rules

don't

> count fish as meat, so it would be marked P or Pareve, just like

the

> vegetable fake gelatin. The only way is to read the ingredients

list.

> But the fact is, I have never actually seen fish-based kosher (or

> unkosher for that matter) gelatin for sale in stores, just the

> vegetable stuff.

> On the other hand, what they use for gelatin in kosher

marshmallows,

> I cannot say. I'm not even sure vegetable gums would work in a

> marshmallow, when it came to toasting them etc. It's like veggie

hot

> dogs; they can be pretty convincing as boiled hot dogs, but

grilled

> they don't come out the same at all.

> Actually, I've never seen a kosher marshmallow either, but like

the

> yeti, many people report having seen them.

>

> , " Thompson, Debra lee "

> <Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> > Yes, but some kosher gelatins are made from fish parts. Not all

are

> > vegan.

> >

> > Debra Lee Thompson

> >

> > Analyst - Mortgage I

> >

> > First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

> >

> > debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

> >

> > 214.492.7402

> >

> > Jiraph Wirpel [wirpel]

> > Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:56 AM

> >

> > Re: The scoop on

> gelatin/gelatine

> > and marshmallows

> >

> > Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

> > =====

> >

> > Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

> > It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

> > shots " for their birthdays.

> >

> > =====

> > " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in

paraphrasing

> > anybody. If

> > people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot

fewer

> > misunderstandings. "

> > From Kinky Friedman's

> > Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

> >

December 3, 2004

PS. I added a macrobiotics recipe database to the database area at

the group's website. Please add a recipe or two if you like.

, Klara LeVine

<klara_levine> wrote:

> I'm in a bit of a quandry - I just joined, but realize like my

other forays in vegetarian societies it doesn't quite fit my needs.

I follow a macrobiotic diet and love it more than you can imagine.

Previous to macro days I did Fit for Life and was a big advocate of

vegetarianism for a very long time. I feel the emphasis in

macrobiotics on reaching balance in one's life gives much depth to

this way of eating.

December 3, 2004

Agar-agar high in protein? Hmm. I'm not all that intimately familiar

with what they sell for food use, but the reason they use it in

purified form for agar plates in microbiology labs is because it is

completely indigestible to man, bacteria, and fungus alike. Probably

an advantage to the seaweed who uses it to glue itself down, now that

I think about it. Thus the mild laxative properties, as it exits much

the same as it enters.

Besides, seaweed is full of minerals, but not so much protein.

I may be wrong, of course.

, " Judy " <jkyrala2>

wrote:

>

> Hi! I'm also rather new to the group and I am learning

macrobiotics.

>

> I agree .. agar-agar (or kanten is Oshawa's recipes) is the best..

> even if you are not vegetarian. It may also be used as an ointment

> base.

>

> 1 t of agar-agar powder = 1 t unflavored gelatin powder

>

> Here is a web site with details on uses.

> http://www.bulkfoods.com/agar_agar.htm

> This site and Amazon.com sell it for about $1.98/oz. Less if bought

> in larger quantitites.

>

> " Natural agar agar is unflavored producing a firm, clear jelly and

> is rich in iodine and trace minerals and has mildly laxative

> properties.

>

> The flakes are produced by a traditional method of cooking and

> pressing the sea vegetables and then naturally freeze-drying the

> residue to form bars which are then powdered or flaked for easier

> packageing and transport.

>

> Agar agar has stronger setting properties and, unlike gelatin which

> requires refrigeration to set, it will set at room temperature

after

> about an hour - although it is advisable to store dishes gelled

with

> agar agar in the fridge as it is a high protein food. "

>

> , Klara LeVine

> <klara_levine> wrote:

> > I'm in a bit of a quandry - I just joined, but realize like my

> other forays in vegetarian societies it doesn't quite fit my

needs.

> I follow a macrobiotic diet and love it more than you can imagine.

> Previous to macro days I did Fit for Life and was a big advocate of

> vegetarianism for a very long time. I feel the emphasis in

> macrobiotics on reaching balance in one's life gives much depth to

> this way of eating.

> >

> > So although I can tell you all there is definitely kosher

> marshmallows and there were days my kids would love " roasting " them

> over the gas stove (what a mess) and even better over campfires,

the

> realization of all the junk (chemicals and loads and loads of

sugar)

> I just can't get myself to buy it anymore.

> >

> > As far as gelatin, agar agar is wonderful - you can make sweet

> jelled food with fruit and fruit juice or do aspics with

> vegetables. Agar agar is found in health food stores. I highly

> highly advise you to look up a recipe, as too much agar agar can

> make it unedible and too little, it won't jell.

> >

> > It is heartening to see there is so much activity on this list

for

> vegetariasnism is definitely the right direction. But for myself,

I

> buy very little in the way of ready foods and many of the other

> foods mentioned also don't fit how I eat.

> >

> > My dream at the moment is to have an organic vegetable garden

> where most of my produce can be freshly picked just before

cooking.

> If anyone can advise of a site that would be helpful in this, I'd

> most appreciate it.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Klara

> >

> > gzuckier <gzuckier> wrote:

> >

> > This is true. And unfortunately, and confusingly, kosher rules

> don't

> > count fish as meat, so it would be marked P or Pareve, just like

> the

> > vegetable fake gelatin. The only way is to read the ingredients

> list.

> > But the fact is, I have never actually seen fish-based kosher (or

> > unkosher for that matter) gelatin for sale in stores, just the

> > vegetable stuff.

> > On the other hand, what they use for gelatin in kosher

> marshmallows,

> > I cannot say. I'm not even sure vegetable gums would work in a

> > marshmallow, when it came to toasting them etc. It's like veggie

> hot

> > dogs; they can be pretty convincing as boiled hot dogs, but

> grilled

> > they don't come out the same at all.

> > Actually, I've never seen a kosher marshmallow either, but like

> the

> > yeti, many people report having seen them.

> >

> > , " Thompson, Debra lee "

> > <Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> > > Yes, but some kosher gelatins are made from fish parts. Not

all

> are

> > > vegan.

> > >

> > > Debra Lee Thompson

> > >

> > > Analyst - Mortgage I

> > >

> > > First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

> > >

> > > debrathompson@f... <debrathompson@f...>

> > >

> > > 214.492.7402

> > >

> > > Jiraph Wirpel [wirpel]

> > > Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:56 AM

> > >

> > > Re: The scoop on

> > gelatin/gelatine

> > > and marshmallows

> > >

> > > Kosher food stores have no-hoof " jello. "

> > > =====

> > >

> > > Most indian markets carry vegan " jello " made of agar.

> > > It's great...I often use it to make vegan " jello

> > > shots " for their birthdays.

> > >

> > > =====

> > > " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in

> paraphrasing

> > > anybody. If

> > > people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot

> fewer

> > > misunderstandings. "

> > > From Kinky Friedman's

> > > Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch

> > >

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