Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 First off, who is veggie miostly for life-is-precious reasons, and slaughter-is-murder? That is how I feel! Who else would rather not have to eat around people who feel fine shoveling warmed dead flesh into their digestive system? I have a friend who I share meals with often. A long time ago, he asked me not to refer to eating meat as using your stomach as a burial ground for decaying flesh! :^) I stopped. But he knows I will not eat meat! And he knows I came from an environment of observing laws of keeping kosher. He teases about offering me pork products. Yesterday, he brought it up. He challanged me that, eating meat is just his posiion in the food web. " Snakes eat rodents, are they vulgar, immoral murderers? " " We have so removed ourselves from the actual killing, " I explained. " If you actually made your own kill, with your own agility, teeth and claws, I might feel differently. " And I contend, he would!. " We are capable of making choices, " I offered. He kept going, challanging me to prove that eating a carrot is any less taking a life than eating a Perdue. Suggestions, please, for when (and why) meat-eaters think they have to defend, and prove somethng to a vegetarian? ===== " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing anybody. If people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer misunderstandings. " From Kinky Friedman's Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Jiraph - I believe that our choices tend to challenge others' morals, and it makes them uncomfortable, so they lash out by trying to find the loopholes. I go through this ALL the time at home. My sons pick on me incessantly, and my eldest tries to dispute my choices daily. I don't understand why, tho, other than the whole morals thing, because I have not deprived them of anything, nor have I verbally attacked them on the issues, I have merely gone my own way, and that is waht makes them most uncomfortable - that Mom isn't eating what they'e eating, so Mom isn't sharing their experience...so what's wrong with what they're getting? I think they think about it subconsciously, and discern that there really must be something wrong with what they're eating because I won't touch it - so they lash out in their confusion. I admitted to my youngest over the weekend that I'd always been/felt this way, but when they were growing up, I could only afford to buy what they would eat - anything special for me was out of the budget and therefore out of the question:( It was a luxry to have fresh fruits or veggies, as my ex hardly gave a pittance financially to help me take care of them (a whopping $265/mo total to cover three kids) - so most meals back then were the 25 cent box of macaroni & cheese and whatever cheap canned meat I could throw in to give them some protein, because they wouldn't eat healthy food, and I couldn't afford for them to not eat and it get thrown away. That's my take on it...hope it helps. Debra , Jiraph Wirpel <wirpel> wrote: > > First off, who is veggie miostly for life-is-precious > reasons, and slaughter-is-murder? That is how I feel! > > Who else would rather not have to eat around people > who feel fine shoveling warmed dead flesh into their > digestive system? > > I have a friend who I share meals with often. A long > time ago, he asked me not to refer to eating meat as > using your stomach as a burial ground for decaying > flesh! :^) I stopped. But he knows I will not eat > meat! And he knows I came from an environment of > observing laws of keeping kosher. He teases about > offering me pork products. > > Yesterday, he brought it up. He challanged me that, > eating meat is just his posiion in the food web. > " Snakes eat rodents, are they vulgar, immoral > murderers? " > > " We have so removed ourselves from the actual > killing, " I explained. " If you actually made your own > kill, with your own agility, teeth and claws, I might > feel differently. " And I contend, he would!. " We are > capable of making choices, " I offered. > > He kept going, challanging me to prove that eating a > carrot is any less taking a life than eating a Perdue. > > Suggestions, please, for when (and why) meat-eaters > think they have to defend, and prove somethng to a > vegetarian? > > > > > ===== > " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing anybody. If > people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer misunderstandings. " > From Kinky Friedman's > Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I too have this problem. I deal with ignorant narrow-minded people all the time. As a matter of fact my best friend down here used to be one of them. He would do the same thing, tease me about eating meat, make fun of my food...then one day I just blew up at him (that's my anger style I guess, to simmer and then just blow up at people, which isn't healthy) Now he doesn't do it unless we are on a jokeing roll, like I make fun of things about him too...not something everytime we eat. When I blew up at him I just made sure to voice my feelings about the issue and how it was hurtful to me. I don't know if anything like that would work with your friend. With other people I do one of two things, try to educate or ignore. Depends on the hostility with which I am " attacked " so sometimes It's just easier to ignore them in the intrest of my sanity. ~Mel --- Jiraph Wirpel <wirpel wrote: > > First off, who is veggie miostly for > life-is-precious > reasons, and slaughter-is-murder? That is how I > feel! > > Who else would rather not have to eat around people > who feel fine shoveling warmed dead flesh into their > digestive system? > > I have a friend who I share meals with often. A > long > time ago, he asked me not to refer to eating meat as > using your stomach as a burial ground for decaying > flesh! :^) I stopped. But he knows I will not eat > meat! And he knows I came from an environment of > observing laws of keeping kosher. He teases about > offering me pork products. > > Yesterday, he brought it up. He challanged me that, > eating meat is just his posiion in the food web. > " Snakes eat rodents, are they vulgar, immoral > murderers? " > > " We have so removed ourselves from the actual > killing, " I explained. " If you actually made your > own > kill, with your own agility, teeth and claws, I > might > feel differently. " And I contend, he would!. " We > are > capable of making choices, " I offered. > > He kept going, challanging me to prove that eating a > carrot is any less taking a life than eating a > Perdue. > > Suggestions, please, for when (and why) meat-eaters > think they have to defend, and prove somethng to a > vegetarian? > > > > > ===== > " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in > paraphrasing anybody. If > people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a > lot fewer misunderstandings. " > From Kinky Friedman's > Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 > > >Yesterday, he brought it up. He challanged me that, >eating meat is just his posiion in the food web. > " Snakes eat rodents, are they vulgar, immoral >murderers? " The difference is that we have other options. We can thrive on an all-plant diet. We have the resources necessary to live on an all-plant diet. There is no reason for us to intentionally cause suffering to sentient beings. Veronica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 A meat-eater defends what they believe in (in this case eating meat) just as a veg would defend not to eat meat. Everyone is different and not everyone is going to have the same opinion, especially when it comes to this subject. There are a lot of narrow-minded people, on both sides, who should be willing to accept other people's choices even though it is something they are against and vice versa. I'm not trying to say be quiet and don't defend yourself. I'm just saying there is always going to be an argument when it comes to this subject. Athena Jiraph Wirpel <wirpel wrote: Suggestions, please, for when (and why) meat-eaters think they have to defend, and prove somethng to a vegetarian? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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