Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Yeah some people go bananas over books but have no problem letting their kids play violent video games such as Grand Theft Auto, Doom, and every other mature rated title! Nor do they mind letting their kids listen to female degrading, sexist, racist, gay bashing, filthy lyrics. But the same paretns will rant and rave over a book that they have in my exepereince) not even read! They see one word and that out of context and go nuts. Extremely hypocritical to say the very least. However, the summer reading is assigned to Advanced Placement English 11 students. So there is not as much mouth. For younger classes I do try to choose more " Sterile " pieces. But by the 11th grade... for heaven sake they are almost in college and some of them have done more " bad " things than I have and I am grown. MY favorite book to do is Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.. which discusses this very issue as well as several others. JL melissa_hopp <hoppmel wrote: Ahh...to be back in the days when reading a book was " work " ! I'm intrigued that you can assign books such as Angels and Demons & even Huck Finn - there seems to be so much fuss over lit now, much to my dismay. One parent in a neighboring district raised a huge fuss of Balzac and the Seamtress (I'm not getting the title quite right), I love the book and think it is great for discussion - now some schools won't use it at all. I like your choices & hope it goes well - I haven't read the wicked witch one and it looks interesting - I'll add it to my list!! (A friend just played her in an outdoor theater, think I'll get us both copies.) m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 My Mother was always so liberal and didn't judge people or censor my reading. I read " I Know Why Caged Birds Sing " by Maya Angelou as a kid while everyone else was reading comic books. My niece started to read Ruby Fruit Jungle at age 14 and my sister had a fit, why??????????? I let her finish it. My favorite book to pick up and read now is a cookbook. That's #1 on my list..........Donna J Lyn <poet_atrabilious wrote: Yeah some people go bananas over books but have no problem letting their kids play violent video games such as Grand Theft Auto, Doom, and every other mature rated title! Nor do they mind letting their kids listen to female degrading, sexist, racist, gay bashing, filthy lyrics. But the same paretns will rant and rave over a book that they have in my exepereince) not even read! They see one word and that out of context and go nuts. Extremely hypocritical to say the very least. However, the summer reading is assigned to Advanced Placement English 11 students. So there is not as much mouth. For younger classes I do try to choose more " Sterile " pieces. But by the 11th grade... for heaven sake they are almost in college and some of them have done more " bad " things than I have and I am grown. MY favorite book to do is Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.. which discusses this very issue as well as several others. JL " There's a place a Gemini dream. There's no escape from the love we have seen. So come with me, turn night to day. Source: Gemini Dream - Moody Blues Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are absolutely insane about that stuff and our district banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental issues. --- J Lyn <poet_atrabilious wrote: > Yeah some people go bananas over books but have no > problem letting their kids play violent video games > such as Grand Theft Auto, Doom, and every other > mature rated title! Nor do they mind letting their > kids listen to female degrading, sexist, racist, gay > bashing, filthy lyrics. But the same paretns will > rant and rave over a book that they have in my > exepereince) not even read! They see one word and > that out of context and go nuts. Extremely > hypocritical to say the very least. > > However, the summer reading is assigned to Advanced > Placement English 11 students. So there is not as > much mouth. For younger classes I do try to choose > more " Sterile " pieces. But by the 11th grade... for > heaven sake they are almost in college and some of > them have done more " bad " things than I have and I > am grown. > > MY favorite book to do is Fahrenheit 451 by Ray > Bradbury.. which discusses this very issue as well > as several others. > > > JL > melissa_hopp <hoppmel wrote: > Ahh...to be back in the days when reading a book was > " work " ! > > I'm intrigued that you can assign books such as > Angels and Demons & > even Huck Finn - there seems to be so much fuss over > lit now, much to > my dismay. One parent in a neighboring district > raised a huge fuss of > Balzac and the Seamtress (I'm not getting the title > quite right), I > love the book and think it is great for discussion - > now some schools > won't use it at all. I like your choices & hope it > goes well - I > haven't read the wicked witch one and it looks > interesting - I'll add > it to my list!! (A friend just played her in an > outdoor theater, > think I'll get us both copies.) > > m > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 I tutored in 4 of the public schools in my area. (Phila) I worked with children who were having difficulties reading, mostly first grade and second grade. What I ran across was most of these kids could not read because of problems at home and that is it. Parents not caring, parents on drugs, etc. parents couldn't give a crap less about their kids, but have the teacher report that she was sassed or even physically harmed by a kid and the parent would be up at school in their face. go figure. Blessings, Chanda - Melissa Hill Monday, August 15, 2005 6:53 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are absolutely insane about that stuff and our district banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental issues. --- J Lyn <poet_atrabilious wrote: > Yeah some people go bananas over books but have no > problem letting their kids play violent video games > such as Grand Theft Auto, Doom, and every other > mature rated title! Nor do they mind letting their > kids listen to female degrading, sexist, racist, gay > bashing, filthy lyrics. But the same paretns will > rant and rave over a book that they have in my > exepereince) not even read! They see one word and > that out of context and go nuts. Extremely > hypocritical to say the very least. > > However, the summer reading is assigned to Advanced > Placement English 11 students. So there is not as > much mouth. For younger classes I do try to choose > more " Sterile " pieces. But by the 11th grade... for > heaven sake they are almost in college and some of > them have done more " bad " things than I have and I > am grown. > > MY favorite book to do is Fahrenheit 451 by Ray > Bradbury.. which discusses this very issue as well > as several others. > > > JL > melissa_hopp <hoppmel wrote: > Ahh...to be back in the days when reading a book was > " work " ! > > I'm intrigued that you can assign books such as > Angels and Demons & > even Huck Finn - there seems to be so much fuss over > lit now, much to > my dismay. One parent in a neighboring district > raised a huge fuss of > Balzac and the Seamtress (I'm not getting the title > quite right), I > love the book and think it is great for discussion - > now some schools > won't use it at all. I like your choices & hope it > goes well - I > haven't read the wicked witch one and it looks > interesting - I'll add > it to my list!! (A friend just played her in an > outdoor theater, > think I'll get us both copies.) > > m > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Donna, what is Ruby Fruit Jungle about? I've never heard of it. *** That is ridiculous. Where were his parents when he decided to take that drastic step? Isn't ironic how in the United States... place of freedom .. finds it so easy to ban, ban, ban. Perhaps people do not realize that in other places one of the first things to go is the freedom to choose what a person can choose to read, write, speak. Sad. Now these issues .. these are the things we discuss in advanced placeement English. It is only one period in my class schedule of 6, but it keeps me sane to be able to teach and discuss ideas rather than having to teach " dog " is a noun and " jump " is a verb. Melissa Hill <assilembob wrote: Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are absolutely insane about that stuff and our district banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental issues. --- J Lyn <poet_atrabilious wrote: > Yeah some people go bananas over books but have no > problem letting their kids play violent video games > such as Grand Theft Auto, Doom, and every other > mature rated title! Nor do they mind letting their > kids listen to female degrading, sexist, racist, gay > bashing, filthy lyrics. But the same paretns will > rant and rave over a book that they have in my > exepereince) not even read! They see one word and > that out of context and go nuts. Extremely > hypocritical to say the very least. > > However, the summer reading is assigned to Advanced > Placement English 11 students. So there is not as > much mouth. For younger classes I do try to choose > more " Sterile " pieces. But by the 11th grade... for > heaven sake they are almost in college and some of > them have done more " bad " things than I have and I > am grown. > > MY favorite book to do is Fahrenheit 451 by Ray > Bradbury.. which discusses this very issue as well > as several others. > > > JL > melissa_hopp <hoppmel wrote: > Ahh...to be back in the days when reading a book was > " work " ! > > I'm intrigued that you can assign books such as > Angels and Demons & > even Huck Finn - there seems to be so much fuss over > lit now, much to > my dismay. One parent in a neighboring district > raised a huge fuss of > Balzac and the Seamtress (I'm not getting the title > quite right), I > love the book and think it is great for discussion - > now some schools > won't use it at all. I like your choices & hope it > goes well - I > haven't read the wicked witch one and it looks > interesting - I'll add > it to my list!! (A friend just played her in an > outdoor theater, > think I'll get us both copies.) > > m > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 I taught for a semester at U City High school in Philly. I did my student teaching there while I went to Penn. It was definitely a different environment from where I teach now. However, in several ways I liked it better. What I really wish is that teachers could teach and not be expected to rear other folk's children. Oh well.. such is the beast I suppose. JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: I tutored in 4 of the public schools in my area. (Phila) I worked with children who were having difficulties reading, mostly first grade and second grade. What I ran across was most of these kids could not read because of problems at home and that is it. Parents not caring, parents on drugs, etc. parents couldn't give a crap less about their kids, but have the teacher report that she was sassed or even physically harmed by a kid and the parent would be up at school in their face. go figure. Blessings, Chanda - Melissa Hill Monday, August 15, 2005 6:53 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are absolutely insane about that stuff and our district banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental issues. --- J Lyn <poet_atrabilious wrote: > Yeah some people go bananas over books but have no > problem letting their kids play violent video games > such as Grand Theft Auto, Doom, and every other > mature rated title! Nor do they mind letting their > kids listen to female degrading, sexist, racist, gay > bashing, filthy lyrics. But the same paretns will > rant and rave over a book that they have in my > exepereince) not even read! They see one word and > that out of context and go nuts. Extremely > hypocritical to say the very least. > > However, the summer reading is assigned to Advanced > Placement English 11 students. So there is not as > much mouth. For younger classes I do try to choose > more " Sterile " pieces. But by the 11th grade... for > heaven sake they are almost in college and some of > them have done more " bad " things than I have and I > am grown. > > MY favorite book to do is Fahrenheit 451 by Ray > Bradbury.. which discusses this very issue as well > as several others. > > > JL > melissa_hopp <hoppmel wrote: > Ahh...to be back in the days when reading a book was > " work " ! > > I'm intrigued that you can assign books such as > Angels and Demons & > even Huck Finn - there seems to be so much fuss over > lit now, much to > my dismay. One parent in a neighboring district > raised a huge fuss of > Balzac and the Seamtress (I'm not getting the title > quite right), I > love the book and think it is great for discussion - > now some schools > won't use it at all. I like your choices & hope it > goes well - I > haven't read the wicked witch one and it looks > interesting - I'll add > it to my list!! (A friend just played her in an > outdoor theater, > think I'll get us both copies.) > > m > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 , J Lyn <poet_atrabilious> wrote: > Yeah some people go bananas over books but have no problem letting their kids play violent video games... not to mention the television and movies they watch...way more explicit than some of the books, and they don't have a lesson to teach, or characters to explore, or culture to learn... drives me nuts! m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 EXACTLY to both points. NOwthere are bad teachers. However, I am not one of them. I work my butt off all the time. Matter fact I can't even read a book or watch a movie without thinging .. I could use this for work. JL melissa_hopp <hoppmel wrote: , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Ruby Fruit Jungle, by Rita Mae Brown (before she started co-writing with Sneaky Pete, her cat) is a coming-of-age story about a marginalized lesbian. In fact, " ruby fruit jungle " is the main character's description of female genitalia. It was about as radical in it's time as The Well of Loneliness, by Radcliff Hall, was in it's. Personally, my favorite Rita Mae Brown book is Venus Envy. Have you seen the movie Educating Rita? The main character, Susan, calls herself " Rita, " after Rita Mae Brown. What is Ruby Fruit Jungle about? I've never heard of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise them about their child, and be threatened with bodily harm. I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school year. So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. Blessings, Chanda - melissa_hopp Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Thanks! Now if I assigned that book (based on the description) the community would flip. Ridiculous! Especially when we have gay and lesbian students! But I'd like to read it myself. I've never read Rita Mae Brown's books. I noticed with the link to Amaozn that Donna gave me she wrote all those Cat book things. JL neg0she8 <neg0she8 wrote: Ruby Fruit Jungle, by Rita Mae Brown (before she started co-writing with Sneaky Pete, her cat) is a coming-of-age story about a marginalized lesbian. In fact, " ruby fruit jungle " is the main character's description of female genitalia. It was about as radical in it's time as The Well of Loneliness, by Radcliff Hall, was in it's. Personally, my favorite Rita Mae Brown book is Venus Envy. Have you seen the movie Educating Rita? The main character, Susan, calls herself " Rita, " after Rita Mae Brown. What is Ruby Fruit Jungle about? I've never heard of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 I feel for you! I refuse to have children (for multiple reasons). As for getting teachers on the phone... I will only do school business with parents on school time. A parent would not call their bank teller at home or the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on my time. And as you said particularly since it is usually someone gripiong about something that I've explained or gone over in detail with the student. I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am glad I live in a different city from where I teach. No drop bys. Because I am real good at not answering the door or phone even if I am sitting right there. LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise them about their child, and be threatened with bodily harm. I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school year. So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. Blessings, Chanda - melissa_hopp Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 at the highschool where my son attended teachers were intimidated on a daily basis. Some students were there because of probation requirements. Teachers get hardened. The system is horrible. Most of the teachers there get an attitude of, " he is 17 he is too big to be looked after by mom " when that is so opposite the case. When he was 10 he was an honor roll student, now he has a D in English, LOL. I had called the school during school hours to get the teacher on the phone and left messages 3 times. That didn't work so I went up to the school and personally put a note in her box. Still no go, so I called the principal 3 times, yes three times, he finally got back to me, then I got a call from the teacher. She spoke with such a heavy accent I could barely understand her, but besides that, her grammar was awful too. Started by telling me " she doesn't receive her messages too good. " mmmmmmm. LOL, I am glad my son made it and graduated, and starts college on the 22nd. As far as my daughter goes, she is going to Catholic school which is a whole different ballgame. I wish I could have sent my son to Catholic school too. I am not Catholic her dad is. I am very happy with her school. blessings, Chanda - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:56 AM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I feel for you! I refuse to have children (for multiple reasons). As for getting teachers on the phone... I will only do school business with parents on school time. A parent would not call their bank teller at home or the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on my time. And as you said particularly since it is usually someone gripiong about something that I've explained or gone over in detail with the student. I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am glad I live in a different city from where I teach. No drop bys. Because I am real good at not answering the door or phone even if I am sitting right there. LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise them about their child, and be threatened with bodily harm. I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school year. So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. Blessings, Chanda - melissa_hopp Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 I understand that! I had a few teachers in college with heavy accents. Now in regular conversation I love them! A man will a good accent and deep voice! OH MY GOODNESS .,.. Makes a girl swoon! But trying to understand forgein and international politics from a woman with a heavy Indian accent... AHHHHHHHH I also know what you mean about English teachers who don't know English rules! There is one in our district!! But I am going to leave that alone. Now, every body makes mistakes but come on!!!! How do you expect kids to learn when the teacher is off! LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: at the highschool where my son attended teachers were intimidated on a daily basis. Some students were there because of probation requirements. Teachers get hardened. The system is horrible. Most of the teachers there get an attitude of, " he is 17 he is too big to be looked after by mom " when that is so opposite the case. When he was 10 he was an honor roll student, now he has a D in English, LOL. I had called the school during school hours to get the teacher on the phone and left messages 3 times. That didn't work so I went up to the school and personally put a note in her box. Still no go, so I called the principal 3 times, yes three times, he finally got back to me, then I got a call from the teacher. She spoke with such a heavy accent I could barely understand her, but besides that, her grammar was awful too. Started by telling me " she doesn't receive her messages too good. " mmmmmmm. LOL, I am glad my son made it and graduated, and starts college on the 22nd. As far as my daughter goes, she is going to Catholic school which is a whole different ballgame. I wish I could have sent my son to Catholic school too. I am not Catholic her dad is. I am very happy with her school. blessings, Chanda - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:56 AM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I feel for you! I refuse to have children (for multiple reasons). As for getting teachers on the phone... I will only do school business with parents on school time. A parent would not call their bank teller at home or the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on my time. And as you said particularly since it is usually someone gripiong about something that I've explained or gone over in detail with the student. I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am glad I live in a different city from where I teach. No drop bys. Because I am real good at not answering the door or phone even if I am sitting right there. LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise them about their child, and be threatened with bodily harm. I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school year. So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. Blessings, Chanda - melissa_hopp Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 exactly, and on top of it, this woman gave everyone in the class a D. gee, that is kind of a reflection on her wouldn't ya say? LOL I found that out later when I bumped into my son's history teacher and we had a talk. I used to watch her son. Is funny she was dropping her son off with me every day but never got to see my son. One day she did, LOL, she was speechless, LOL, she said, " you didn't tell me Ryan was your son!! " and I was like, " huh? " and she said, " I am his history teacher. " LOL I felt good in that she raved about what a nice boy he was. funny, I have two sons, and I always heard from both their teachers how nice they were, but with my oldest it was, " he is such a sweet nice boy but I wish he would stop talking so much and pay attention more. " and with my younger one it was, " he is such a sweet nice boy but I just wish he would open up and talk a bit more. " LOL! I wanted to bang their heads together and get a perfect student. - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:26 PM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I understand that! I had a few teachers in college with heavy accents. Now in regular conversation I love them! A man will a good accent and deep voice! OH MY GOODNESS .,.. Makes a girl swoon! But trying to understand forgein and international politics from a woman with a heavy Indian accent... AHHHHHHHH I also know what you mean about English teachers who don't know English rules! There is one in our district!! But I am going to leave that alone. Now, every body makes mistakes but come on!!!! How do you expect kids to learn when the teacher is off! LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: at the highschool where my son attended teachers were intimidated on a daily basis. Some students were there because of probation requirements. Teachers get hardened. The system is horrible. Most of the teachers there get an attitude of, " he is 17 he is too big to be looked after by mom " when that is so opposite the case. When he was 10 he was an honor roll student, now he has a D in English, LOL. I had called the school during school hours to get the teacher on the phone and left messages 3 times. That didn't work so I went up to the school and personally put a note in her box. Still no go, so I called the principal 3 times, yes three times, he finally got back to me, then I got a call from the teacher. She spoke with such a heavy accent I could barely understand her, but besides that, her grammar was awful too. Started by telling me " she doesn't receive her messages too good. " mmmmmmm. LOL, I am glad my son made it and graduated, and starts college on the 22nd. As far as my daughter goes, she is going to Catholic school which is a whole different ballgame. I wish I could have sent my son to Catholic school too. I am not Catholic her dad is. I am very happy with her school. blessings, Chanda - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:56 AM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I feel for you! I refuse to have children (for multiple reasons). As for getting teachers on the phone... I will only do school business with parents on school time. A parent would not call their bank teller at home or the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on my time. And as you said particularly since it is usually someone gripiong about something that I've explained or gone over in detail with the student. I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am glad I live in a different city from where I teach. No drop bys. Because I am real good at not answering the door or phone even if I am sitting right there. LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise them about their child, and be threatened with bodily harm. I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school year. So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. Blessings, Chanda - melissa_hopp Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 HEY! THat is funny! And usually how it works, too! Kids! In the case of the teacher you were talking about perhaps all D's do reflect on her. However, from my stand point, when a class usually gets low scores... it's because they are a slacker class. I usually have one per grade. For example, last year I taught 2 Englsih 11 classes. One class motivated, did work etc. The other, full of repeaters, kids that do not work, etc. Usually there may be 1 -3 kids who will still get good grades. That burns me up when they do that. It's like a whole class period wasted every day because you know it will be the same with every assignment. So is you little girl in 3rd grade (you said she was 8)? Anything before high school I get lost on the grade/ age correlation LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: exactly, and on top of it, this woman gave everyone in the class a D. gee, that is kind of a reflection on her wouldn't ya say? LOL I found that out later when I bumped into my son's history teacher and we had a talk. I used to watch her son. Is funny she was dropping her son off with me every day but never got to see my son. One day she did, LOL, she was speechless, LOL, she said, " you didn't tell me Ryan was your son!! " and I was like, " huh? " and she said, " I am his history teacher. " LOL I felt good in that she raved about what a nice boy he was. funny, I have two sons, and I always heard from both their teachers how nice they were, but with my oldest it was, " he is such a sweet nice boy but I wish he would stop talking so much and pay attention more. " and with my younger one it was, " he is such a sweet nice boy but I just wish he would open up and talk a bit more. " LOL! I wanted to bang their heads together and get a perfect student. - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:26 PM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I understand that! I had a few teachers in college with heavy accents. Now in regular conversation I love them! A man will a good accent and deep voice! OH MY GOODNESS .,.. Makes a girl swoon! But trying to understand forgein and international politics from a woman with a heavy Indian accent... AHHHHHHHH I also know what you mean about English teachers who don't know English rules! There is one in our district!! But I am going to leave that alone. Now, every body makes mistakes but come on!!!! How do you expect kids to learn when the teacher is off! LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: at the highschool where my son attended teachers were intimidated on a daily basis. Some students were there because of probation requirements. Teachers get hardened. The system is horrible. Most of the teachers there get an attitude of, " he is 17 he is too big to be looked after by mom " when that is so opposite the case. When he was 10 he was an honor roll student, now he has a D in English, LOL. I had called the school during school hours to get the teacher on the phone and left messages 3 times. That didn't work so I went up to the school and personally put a note in her box. Still no go, so I called the principal 3 times, yes three times, he finally got back to me, then I got a call from the teacher. She spoke with such a heavy accent I could barely understand her, but besides that, her grammar was awful too. Started by telling me " she doesn't receive her messages too good. " mmmmmmm. LOL, I am glad my son made it and graduated, and starts college on the 22nd. As far as my daughter goes, she is going to Catholic school which is a whole different ballgame. I wish I could have sent my son to Catholic school too. I am not Catholic her dad is. I am very happy with her school. blessings, Chanda - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:56 AM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I feel for you! I refuse to have children (for multiple reasons). As for getting teachers on the phone... I will only do school business with parents on school time. A parent would not call their bank teller at home or the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on my time. And as you said particularly since it is usually someone gripiong about something that I've explained or gone over in detail with the student. I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am glad I live in a different city from where I teach. No drop bys. Because I am real good at not answering the door or phone even if I am sitting right there. LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise them about their child, and be threatened with bodily harm. I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school year. So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. Blessings, Chanda - melissa_hopp Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 my son did pretty well in all of his other classes. Mostly B's, a couple of A's and the D in English. But anyway, yeah my daughter is entering third grade. The school is great. Hopefully she will never see the inside of a Philadelphia public school. She got straight O's, which is comparable to straight A's. I like a school where if a kid threatens another kid with harm, or physically hurts another kid they are kicked out with no excuses. It rocks. When my son was in first grade there was a kid in his class who should have been in third grade, he weighed over 100 pounds and came over to my son at recess and kicked him in the face. It knocked out his tooth. he did this because he said my son was looking at him. BOTH kids were suspended. if you know me you would then think it is needless to say that the principal threatened to call the police if I did not leave her office. ) Here in Philadelphia school system everything is a racial issue, it's beyond belief that we still have this problem in this day and age. She told me that she had to suspend them both because she didn't want to be considered racist since the boys were of different races. yep. Soon after that is when I had to leave. It's a shame that everything in the schools here comes down to race instead of the real issues at hand. Blessings, Chanda - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:22 PM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! HEY! THat is funny! And usually how it works, too! Kids! In the case of the teacher you were talking about perhaps all D's do reflect on her. However, from my stand point, when a class usually gets low scores... it's because they are a slacker class. I usually have one per grade. For example, last year I taught 2 Englsih 11 classes. One class motivated, did work etc. The other, full of repeaters, kids that do not work, etc. Usually there may be 1 -3 kids who will still get good grades. That burns me up when they do that. It's like a whole class period wasted every day because you know it will be the same with every assignment. So is you little girl in 3rd grade (you said she was 8)? Anything before high school I get lost on the grade/ age correlation LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: exactly, and on top of it, this woman gave everyone in the class a D. gee, that is kind of a reflection on her wouldn't ya say? LOL I found that out later when I bumped into my son's history teacher and we had a talk. I used to watch her son. Is funny she was dropping her son off with me every day but never got to see my son. One day she did, LOL, she was speechless, LOL, she said, " you didn't tell me Ryan was your son!! " and I was like, " huh? " and she said, " I am his history teacher. " LOL I felt good in that she raved about what a nice boy he was. funny, I have two sons, and I always heard from both their teachers how nice they were, but with my oldest it was, " he is such a sweet nice boy but I wish he would stop talking so much and pay attention more. " and with my younger one it was, " he is such a sweet nice boy but I just wish he would open up and talk a bit more. " LOL! I wanted to bang their heads together and get a perfect student. - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:26 PM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I understand that! I had a few teachers in college with heavy accents. Now in regular conversation I love them! A man will a good accent and deep voice! OH MY GOODNESS .,.. Makes a girl swoon! But trying to understand forgein and international politics from a woman with a heavy Indian accent... AHHHHHHHH I also know what you mean about English teachers who don't know English rules! There is one in our district!! But I am going to leave that alone. Now, every body makes mistakes but come on!!!! How do you expect kids to learn when the teacher is off! LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: at the highschool where my son attended teachers were intimidated on a daily basis. Some students were there because of probation requirements. Teachers get hardened. The system is horrible. Most of the teachers there get an attitude of, " he is 17 he is too big to be looked after by mom " when that is so opposite the case. When he was 10 he was an honor roll student, now he has a D in English, LOL. I had called the school during school hours to get the teacher on the phone and left messages 3 times. That didn't work so I went up to the school and personally put a note in her box. Still no go, so I called the principal 3 times, yes three times, he finally got back to me, then I got a call from the teacher. She spoke with such a heavy accent I could barely understand her, but besides that, her grammar was awful too. Started by telling me " she doesn't receive her messages too good. " mmmmmmm. LOL, I am glad my son made it and graduated, and starts college on the 22nd. As far as my daughter goes, she is going to Catholic school which is a whole different ballgame. I wish I could have sent my son to Catholic school too. I am not Catholic her dad is. I am very happy with her school. blessings, Chanda - J Lyn Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:56 AM Re: Re: Hi JL - OT books! I feel for you! I refuse to have children (for multiple reasons). As for getting teachers on the phone... I will only do school business with parents on school time. A parent would not call their bank teller at home or the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on my time. And as you said particularly since it is usually someone gripiong about something that I've explained or gone over in detail with the student. I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am glad I live in a different city from where I teach. No drop bys. Because I am real good at not answering the door or phone even if I am sitting right there. LOL JL PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise them about their child, and be threatened with bodily harm. I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school year. So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. Blessings, Chanda - melissa_hopp Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM Re: Hi JL - OT books! , Melissa Hill <assilembob> wrote: > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > absolutely insane about that stuff and our district > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a student > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major mental > issues. > and they blamed the book... okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and they blame the teachers...but I don't need to go there with this crowd, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 I wish! We are required to call home...and we are told to call on our own time. Blah. Which is fun for us since we are up there until 7 or 8 for rehearsals...so calling parents at 7 or 8 stinks...then I don't get home until 9 or 10... --- J Lyn <poet_atrabilious wrote: > I feel for you! I refuse to have children (for > multiple reasons). > > As for getting teachers on the phone... I will only > do school business with parents on school time. A > parent would not call their bank teller at home or > the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on my > time. And as you said particularly since it is > usually someone gripiong about something that I've > explained or gone over in detail with the student. > I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am > glad I live in a different city from where I teach. > No drop bys. Because I am real good at not > answering the door or phone even if I am sitting > right there. LOL > > JL > > PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: > yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, and > many time here in Philly, call a parent to advise > them about their child, and be threatened with > bodily harm. > I guess this is why it was so hard to get a teacher > on the phone during my son's 12th school year. > So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to go! > She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. > Blessings, > Chanda > - > melissa_hopp > > Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM > Re: Hi JL - OT > books! > > > , Melissa > Hill > <assilembob> wrote: > > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents are > > absolutely insane about that stuff and our > district > > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because a > student > > read it and set himself on fire. (he had major > mental > > issues. > > > > > and they blamed the book... > > okay, another pet peeve, when kids don't learn and > they blame the > teachers...but I don't need to go there with this > crowd, right?! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Sing it girl! Sing it! I get a lot of crap from my students because of my race (western european mutt ) and " I don't understand how hard it is " and such. Yeah. I am not a gansta...never will be...I am a theatre geek. I had an 11th grader get in my face my first year because he was failing and he said it was because he was black. I told him...no it's because you sleep or throw things at other students in lieu of doing your work. --- PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: > my son did pretty well in all of his other classes. > Mostly B's, a couple of A's and the D in English. > But anyway, yeah my daughter is entering third > grade. The school is great. Hopefully she will never > see the inside of a Philadelphia public school. She > got straight O's, which is comparable to straight > A's. I like a school where if a kid threatens > another kid with harm, or physically hurts another > kid they are kicked out with no excuses. It rocks. > When my son was in first grade there was a kid in > his class who should have been in third grade, he > weighed over 100 pounds and came over to my son at > recess and kicked him in the face. It knocked out > his tooth. he did this because he said my son was > looking at him. > BOTH kids were suspended. > if you know me you would then think it is needless > to say that the principal threatened to call the > police if I did not leave her office. ) Here > in Philadelphia school system everything is a racial > issue, it's beyond belief that we still have this > problem in this day and age. She told me that she > had to suspend them both because she didn't want to > be considered racist since the boys were of > different races. yep. Soon after that is when I had > to leave. > It's a shame that everything in the schools here > comes down to race instead of the real issues at > hand. > Blessings, > Chanda > - > J Lyn > > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:22 PM > Re: Re: Hi JL - OT > books! > > > HEY! THat is funny! And usually how it works, > too! Kids! > > In the case of the teacher you were talking about > perhaps all D's do reflect on her. However, from my > stand point, when a class usually gets low scores... > it's because they are a slacker class. I usually > have one per grade. For example, last year I taught > 2 Englsih 11 classes. One class motivated, did work > etc. The other, full of repeaters, kids that do not > work, etc. Usually there may be 1 -3 kids who will > still get good grades. That burns me up when they > do that. It's like a whole class period wasted > every day because you know it will be the same with > every assignment. > > So is you little girl in 3rd grade (you said she > was 8)? Anything before high school I get lost on > the grade/ age correlation LOL > > JL > > PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: > exactly, and on top of it, this woman gave > everyone in the class a D. gee, that is kind of a > reflection on her wouldn't ya say? LOL I found that > out later when I bumped into my son's history > teacher and we had a talk. I used to watch her son. > Is funny she was dropping her son off with me every > day but never got to see my son. One day she did, > LOL, she was speechless, LOL, she said, " you didn't > tell me Ryan was your son!! " and I was like, " huh? " > and she said, " I am his history teacher. " LOL I > felt good in that she raved about what a nice boy he > was. funny, I have two sons, and I always heard from > both their teachers how nice they were, but with my > oldest it was, " he is such a sweet nice boy but I > wish he would stop talking so much and pay attention > more. " and with my younger one it was, " he is such a > sweet nice boy but I just wish he would open up and > talk a bit more. " LOL! I wanted to bang their > heads together and get a perfect student. > - > J Lyn > > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:26 PM > Re: Re: Hi JL - OT > books! > > > I understand that! I had a few teachers in > college with heavy accents. Now in regular > conversation I love them! A man will a good accent > and deep voice! OH MY GOODNESS .,.. Makes a girl > swoon! But trying to understand forgein and > international politics from a woman with a heavy > Indian accent... AHHHHHHHH > > I also know what you mean about English teachers > who don't know English rules! There is one in our > district!! But I am going to leave that alone. > Now, every body makes mistakes but come on!!!! How > do you expect kids to learn when the teacher is off! > LOL > > JL > > > PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: > at the highschool where my son attended teachers > were intimidated on a daily basis. Some students > were there because of probation requirements. > Teachers get hardened. The system is horrible. > Most of the teachers there get an attitude of, > " he is 17 he is too big to be looked after by mom " > when that is so opposite the case. When he was 10 he > was an honor roll student, now he has a D in > English, LOL. > I had called the school during school hours to > get the teacher on the phone and left messages 3 > times. That didn't work so I went up to the school > and personally put a note in her box. Still no go, > so I called the principal 3 times, yes three times, > he finally got back to me, then I got a call from > the teacher. She spoke with such a heavy accent I > could barely understand her, but besides that, her > grammar was awful too. Started by telling me " she > doesn't receive her messages too good. " > mmmmmmm. > > LOL, I am glad my son made it and graduated, and > starts college on the 22nd. As far as my daughter > goes, she is going to Catholic school which is a > whole different ballgame. > I wish I could have sent my son to Catholic > school too. > I am not Catholic her dad is. I am very happy > with her school. > blessings, > Chanda > - > J Lyn > > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:56 AM > Re: Re: Hi JL - > OT books! > > > I feel for you! I refuse to have children > (for multiple reasons). > > As for getting teachers on the phone... I will > only do school business with parents on school time. > A parent would not call their bank teller at home > or the dentist after hours so I refuse to do so on > my time. And as you said particularly since it is > usually someone gripiong about something that I've > explained or gone over in detail with the student. > I just won't do it. That is one reason why I am > glad I live in a different city from where I teach. > No drop bys. Because I am real good at not > answering the door or phone even if I am sitting > right there. LOL > > JL > > PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote: > yeah blame the teachers when they don't learn, > and many time here in Philly, call a parent to > advise them about their child, and be threatened > with bodily harm. > I guess this is why it was so hard to get a > teacher on the phone during my son's 12th school > year. > So glad he is done, now, 2 down, one more to > go! She's 8, ughh, a long way to go, LOL. > Blessings, > Chanda > - > melissa_hopp > > Monday, August 15, 2005 11:08 PM > Re: Hi JL - OT > books! > > > , > Melissa Hill > <assilembob> wrote: > > Oh my...don't come teach here. The parents > are > > absolutely insane about that stuff and our > district > > banned...YES BANNED Farenheit 451 because > a student > > read it and set himself on fire. (he had > major mental > > issues. > > > > > and they blamed the book... > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 I would never even think about calling a teacher at home. I sometimes see my kids old school teachers at the grocery store or the mall and it is great to see them... When my kids were in elementary school I was there all the time. I was a room mom, classroom helper, and ran a school fundraiser, and help out with the other fundraiser. I loved being there and was glad I was in the position to help out. The principal at there old school now does not like to have parents in the school so much. I used to go into the school and wait for my kids, now parents pull up in front of the school and wait for them to come out to the car. Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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