Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Heh, heh, heh. Mea culpa but I was hard pressed to not snicker duing a phone callI got this morning. Friend called, " Um, Jeanne, are you still feling sick? " Me, " Yes, thank you for asking. Why? " " Er, um, wel, ah. it's like this, everyone who ate the tamales X made is sick as a dog. The doctor told Y that it was probably food poisoning from bad meat. " Me. " Oh.. right. Ok. Sorry to hear that. " (thinking Not) Friend: " Well, ah, I just wanted to let you know and oh, if you have time would you e-mail me that spinach and mushroom lasagna recipe? D (her husband) loved it, and he hates spinach. " (insert me wickedly thinking maybe because all she serves is canned sludge) Ah life is good. I am off to make a pot of lentil soup. Pouchie (all that is left of my stomach) is graciously admitting that perhaps a little soup would go down and stay down. Love to all, Jeanne in Georgia Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Can anyone say Karma? Glad to see you up & about Jeanne Peace, Diane , treazure noname <treazured wrote: > > Heh, heh, heh. Mea culpa but I was hard pressed to not snicker duing a phone callI got this morning. Friend called, " Um, Jeanne, are you still feling sick? " Me, " Yes, thank you for asking. Why? " " Er, um, wel, ah. it's like this, everyone who ate the tamales X made is sick as a dog. The doctor told Y that it was probably food poisoning from bad meat. " Me. " Oh.. right. Ok. Sorry to hear that. " (thinking Not) Friend: " Well, ah, I just wanted to let you know and oh, if you have time would you e-mail me that spinach and mushroom lasagna recipe? D (her husband) loved it, and he hates spinach. " (insert me wickedly thinking maybe because all she serves is canned sludge) > > Ah life is good. I am off to make a pot of lentil soup. Pouchie (all that is left of my stomach) is graciously admitting that perhaps a little soup would go down and stay down. > > Love to all, Jeanne in Georgia > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Did a search on the web site, Jeanne, but didn't find your spinach and mushroom lasagna recipe. I'm not a great searcher though. Could you post it? So glad you are feeling better! Diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I thought I'd weigh in on this issue.... The friends told Jeanne that there wasn't any meat in the meal and they lied. It caused major GI upset for Jeanne plus she was deeply offended and rightly so. I just wanted to point out that people do " food tricks " all the time in all sorts of contexts. So I don't think the friends intended to do something unkind and reprehensible -- definitely thoughtless, but not mean. For example, a guy claims he hates onions so his wife chops up the onions very fine and assures the husband that there are no onions. He relishes the dish as long as he thinks there are no onions. Once she made the dish without onions and the husband thought it tasted funny. My niece and nephew would only use a brand-name syrup so my sister bought the cheap off-brand syrup and poured it in the brand-name bottle. The kids never knew. A man refuses to change his eating habits despite newly diagnosed heart disease. So his wife starts to buy the leanest meats and slowly reduces the portion size while increasing the vegetables served. The man never knew he made any dietary changes. My brother made veggie dip with a " super secret ingredient " that he wouldn't tell anyone in the family. He knew if the kids knew there was tofu in the dip, they'd never eat it. But as it was, they loved it. Are all these " food tricks " wrong and unkind? No. In some contexts it is a very good thing and no harm comes from it. To trick a vegan to eat meat probably falls in the same category as all these other " food tricks " in the minds of the perpetrators. It was thoughtless, but not vengeful Maybe the woman with a child at a birthday party who couldn't eat too much sugar, caffeine and hot dogs.... maybe it was a little hard to single out one child and police his food intake. I know when my siblings come with their children to grandmother's house, keeping the food rules for each household's kids was neigh on impossible. One family always had rice so the kids weren't so sure about eating mashed potatoes which prompted a big argument at the table. Another family wanted their kids to eat their vegetables but the kids never had green beans and beats before so they didn't want to eat them which brought another argument at the table. One family let their kids have cookies for afternoon snacks while another wanted fruit for their kids and were upset when they ate cookies. One mother refused to let her children drink diet soda, so those kids felt very deprived. It drove me NUTS! I finally declared that respective food rules had to be suspended while at grandmother's house. If a kid doesn't eat any vegetables for three days, she won't perish. And the purpose of being at grandma's house is to have fun, not fight about what food a kid eats. Let them have peanut butter and jelly sandwiches if they don't like the chicken dish grandma serves. Let them drink a diet coke but ONLY while at grandma's house. Tell them to enjoy the cookies while at grandma's house because at home the food rules are different. Food is a funny thing in our culture. We have a hard time no matter what we do. <sigh> My 2 cents. :-) Linda and the zoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Linda, I think this MAY be okay sometimes.Sometimes people are so stubborn and don't want to try anything new. However, I think it would definitely depend on the reason why one is vegetarian. If someone does it for animal rights, it would definitely be wrong. If someone was being a vegetarian on a " fling " with dubious conviction, it may be okay. I am staying at my mom's now and my aunt invited us for a July 4th celebration dinner. She does not cook but really decorated her condo and yard for the occasion. My sister made a salad and the rest was store bought. My son was going to take some beans. I told him they probably had meat in them. My sister said they did not so I let him have the beans. I had my doubts. After dinner, I saw they Pork and Bean can in the kitchen. MY sister made an honest mistake. It seems like Jeanne had made a definite conviction and being a vegetarian was also a philosophical issue. He happened to be a health issue too. If that was the case, I would say it would be wrong. Only she can tell. From the tone of her post, she sounded " defiled " . GB , zoo-groups <zoo.groups wrote: > > I thought I'd weigh in on this issue.... The friends told Jeanne that > there wasn't any meat in the meal and they lied. It caused major GI > upset for Jeanne plus she was deeply offended and rightly so. > > I just wanted to point out that people do " food tricks " all the time in > all sorts of contexts. So I don't think the friends intended to do > something unkind and reprehensible -- definitely thoughtless, but not >\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Oh I totally agree that it was uncool to trick a vegan with a meat product. Very very bad form and Jeanne is fully justified to feel violated like that. Unthinkable. I would feel that way too. My only thought was to point out that the friends probably weren't being intentionally mean. They thought they would be " just a little sneaky " and it had disastrous unintended results. They aren't to be trusted with food again. It would be unthinkable to give a diabetic a Twinkie or egg yolks to someone with high cholesterol. Why is it ok to try and trick a vegan to eat meat? Cognitively challenged friends I'd say. Linda and the zoo. greatyoga wrote: > > Linda, > > I think this MAY be okay sometimes.Sometimes people are so stubborn > and don't want to try anything new. However, I think it would > definitely depend on the reason why one is vegetarian. ... > > It seems like Jeanne had made a definite conviction and being a > vegetarian was also a philosophical issue. He happened to be a health > issue too. If that was the case, I would say it would be wrong. Only > she can tell. From the tone of her post, she sounded " defiled " . > > GB > > > <%40>, zoo-groups <zoo.groups > wrote: > > . > > > > ------ > > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>: Inbound message clean. > > Virus Database (VPS): 0626-3, 06/29/2006 > Tested on: 6/30/2006 10:44:04 PM > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 ) I know what you mean... like when Someone thinks they're doing you a favor by trying to convert you from your religion to theirs... they aren't thinking and giving YOUR religion the respect it deserves, but their unthinking intentions are to do you a favor. ) oxoxRobyn Oh I totally agree that it was uncool to trick a vegan with a meat product. Very very bad form and Jeanne is fully justified to feel violated like that. Unthinkable. I would feel that way too. My only thought was to point out that the friends probably weren't being intentionally mean. _Elizabeth Swann_ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0461136/) : There will come a moment when you have the chance to do the right thing. _Jack Sparrow_ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000136/) : I love those moments. I like to wave at them as they pass by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 zoo-groups <zoo.groups wrote: Oh I totally agree that it was uncool to trick a vegan with a meat product. Very very bad form and Jeanne is fully justified to feel violated like that. Unthinkable. I would feel that way too. My only thought was to point out that the friends probably weren't being intentionally mean. I simply do not understand why people who wouldn't dream of serving pork to Jewish and/or Muslim friends think it's ok to sneak meat to a vegetarian. even without any health problems meat in a system not used to it is likely to cause a problem. Last time it happened to me it was a flour tortilla made with lard.....don't know if it was honest mistake or not but I was sick for 2 days. maybe we should all write Montel, Oprah, etc. and get 'em to do a show about it!! Peace, Angela great grandma recycled, she called it making do. who I am is fine, it's just this body that's disabled! middle age = that time of life when we realize yesterday's sex, drugs and rock and roll are todays memories, prescriptions and golden oldies! How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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