Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Why not just plant more plants so there is plenty for everyone to eat! cheryl --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > Hi, > > I don't have a deer problem or much of > a squirrel problem. I think we have two > squirrels and they do eat some of the bird > food but the dogs usually chase them off. > > With respect to garlic, I note that > Havahart Deer-Off Concentrate has garlic > and capsaicin and is for deers, rabbits > and squirrels. So someone out there thinks > garlic will help keep them away. Of course > googling garlic and squirrels gets me a > whole lot of squirrels recipes. Being > a vegetarian that's not very helpful, eh? > > Ah, just found this also, bunch of animal > repellents and their ingredients: > <http://www.entm.purdue.edu/wildlife/Chemical%20Control/squirrelchem.htm> > > Gary > > --- genny_y2k <genny_y2k wrote: > > > -Good advise GB, I have used a soapy mixture to > help > > keep those pesky > > critters from eating my plants. However I use baby > > shampoo/bath > > hoping it has less chemicals and is more Earth > > friendly. A spray > > bottle filled with water and apx. 1 tablespoon of > > the soap works > > great. I also lightly spray the soil around the > > plant. Works for > > indoor plants too. Keeps bugs away and kitty > friends > > who might think > > your garden soil or plant pots are litter > boxes..LOL > > Deanna > > > > -- In , > " greatyoga " > > <greatyoga > > wrote: > > > > > > Sharon > > > ' > > > Have you tried putting cayenne on your outdoor > > plants? You could > > make > > > up a solution using cayenne, dish soap so it > will > > stick to plants > > and > > > water. Soap helps mixture stick to the plants > and > > the squiirrels > > will > > > not like it either. Put mixture in watering can > > and sprinkle > > plants. > > > Squirrels do not like cayenne. You can mix > > cayenne with bird food > > and > > > the birds will eat it but squirrels will not. I > > have a suspicion > > they > > > do not like garlic also. Maybe Gary would know. > > > I know if you use > > > above formula with garlic, minced, then it will > > help keep insects > > and > > > fungus off plants. > > > > > > GB > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 I would agree with that except I just (Friday) watched an episode of Meerkat Manor and it talked about an area of land only able to sustain so many animals. I wonder if you kept growing enough to sustain n number of animals they would have more baby animals and then you would have 2*n animals (or some such number) and have to grow more plants to sustain them and then you would have 4*n animals and you would have to . . . . . Honestly I don't know if it works that way but the thought just crossed my mind. Gary --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > Why not just plant more plants so there is plenty > for everyone to eat! > > cheryl > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 I'm no expert either but I do remember reading about " density dependent' , where animals, in particular deer, will have a number of offspring according to available land. So I'm not sure if the food source would factor in to more offspring - sounds possible though. That considered, I retract my last statement about planting more. Cheryl --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > I would agree with that except I just (Friday) > watched an episode of Meerkat Manor and it talked > about an area of land only able to sustain so many > animals. I wonder if you kept growing enough to > sustain n number of animals they would have more > baby animals and then you would have 2*n animals > (or some such number) and have to grow more > plants to sustain them and then you would have > 4*n animals and you would have to . . . . . > > Honestly I don't know if it works that way > but the thought just crossed my mind. > > Gary > > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > > > > Why not just plant more plants so there is plenty > > for everyone to eat! > > > > cheryl > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 My great uncle Dan feeds corn and apples to the animals in his back yard...he just sets it out for them. :-) MyIn a message dated 7/9/2006 8:18:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, starborn59 writes: I just think it's very sad that we've overdeveloped to the point where deer are nursing their young in the driveway. Imagine coming home only to find someone has yet again destroyed your home and you keep moving and moving. We've destroyed their home and now we also want to keep them from eating what they do find. I think we need to find a way to co-exist with animals and sometimes that means sacrificing some plants. Just my two cents. Cheryl Love & Peace Up, ***Sara*** 'Cause freedom don't come free .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 I just think it's very sad that we've overdeveloped to the point where deer are nursing their young in the driveway. Imagine coming home only to find someone has yet again destroyed your home and you keep moving and moving. We've destroyed their home and now we also want to keep them from eating what they do find. I think we need to find a way to co-exist with animals and sometimes that means sacrificing some plants. Just my two cents. Cheryl --- Sharon Frost <sharonisasillyrabbit wrote: > And such is the result of urban sprawl. > Call the local wildlife management, and present a > petition signed by > all the neighbors to have them do a capture and > relocate program on > the deer. It sounds like the wildlife department are > not doing their > jobs. Contact the local department of fish and game > as well. > Sharon. > > > > , diana scott > > <dianascot_33 wrote: > > > > Those of us who live in suburban areas on the east > > coast can tell you that if deer are big problem, > they > > will eat everything. They have no predators here. > > Their population is out of control and they have > no > > fear of humans. Tall fencing helps somewhat, but > I've > > seen them jump over that. I try to plant that > which is > > not as tasty <smile> but mainly just watch them > > destroy my plants and shrubbery. Have almost > stepped > > on a newborn under my bleeding heart. Unbelievably > > beautiful. Didn't stand up for three days and then > > very wobbly. They are so tame that they nurse > their > > baby in driveways. > > > > Diana > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Actually I think I'm more upset about the mountain lions we've had in the SF bay areas. We've had several in the last year. They haven't tranquilized any of them, just shot and killed them. Who cares if we're moving houses into their areas? Obviously most people don't think about that. Gary --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > I just think it's very sad that we've overdeveloped > to > the point where deer are nursing their young in the > driveway. Imagine coming home only to find someone > has > yet again destroyed your home and you keep moving > and > moving. We've destroyed their home and now we also > want to keep them from eating what they do find. > I think we need to find a way to co-exist with > animals > and sometimes that means sacrificing some plants. > > Just my two cents. > Cheryl > > > --- Sharon Frost <sharonisasillyrabbit > wrote: > > > And such is the result of urban sprawl. > > Call the local wildlife management, and present a > > petition signed by > > all the neighbors to have them do a capture and > > relocate program on > > the deer. It sounds like the wildlife department > are > > not doing their > > jobs. Contact the local department of fish and > game > > as well. > > Sharon. > > > > > > > > , diana > scott > > > > <dianascot_33 wrote: > > > > > > Those of us who live in suburban areas on the > east > > > coast can tell you that if deer are big problem, > > they > > > will eat everything. They have no predators > here. > > > Their population is out of control and they have > > no > > > fear of humans. Tall fencing helps somewhat, but > > I've > > > seen them jump over that. I try to plant that > > which is > > > not as tasty <smile> but mainly just watch them > > > destroy my plants and shrubbery. Have almost > > stepped > > > on a newborn under my bleeding heart. > Unbelievably > > > beautiful. Didn't stand up for three days and > then > > > very wobbly. They are so tame that they nurse > > their > > > baby in driveways. > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: Who cares if we're moving houses into their areas? Obviously most people don't think about that. Gary, ??? I'm confused about your meaning here. Sorry, could you explain? Cheryl > Actually I think I'm more upset about the > mountain lions we've had in the SF bay areas. > We've had several in the last year. They haven't > tranquilized any of them, just shot and killed > them. Who cares if we're moving houses into > their areas? Obviously most people don't think > about that. > > Gary > > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > > I just think it's very sad that we've > overdeveloped > > to > > the point where deer are nursing their young in > the > > driveway. Imagine coming home only to find someone > > has > > yet again destroyed your home and you keep moving > > and > > moving. We've destroyed their home and now we also > > want to keep them from eating what they do find. > > I think we need to find a way to co-exist with > > animals > > and sometimes that means sacrificing some plants. > > > > Just my two cents. > > Cheryl > > > > > > --- Sharon Frost <sharonisasillyrabbit > > wrote: > > > > > And such is the result of urban sprawl. > > > Call the local wildlife management, and present > a > > > petition signed by > > > all the neighbors to have them do a capture and > > > relocate program on > > > the deer. It sounds like the wildlife department > > are > > > not doing their > > > jobs. Contact the local department of fish and > > game > > > as well. > > > Sharon. > > > > > > > > > > > > , diana > > scott > > > > > > <dianascot_33 wrote: > > > > > > > > Those of us who live in suburban areas on the > > east > > > > coast can tell you that if deer are big > problem, > > > they > > > > will eat everything. They have no predators > > here. > > > > Their population is out of control and they > have > > > no > > > > fear of humans. Tall fencing helps somewhat, > but > > > I've > > > > seen them jump over that. I try to plant that > > > which is > > > > not as tasty <smile> but mainly just watch > them > > > > destroy my plants and shrubbery. Have almost > > > stepped > > > > on a newborn under my bleeding heart. > > Unbelievably > > > > beautiful. Didn't stand up for three days and > > then > > > > very wobbly. They are so tame that they nurse > > > their > > > > baby in driveways. > > > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 It may keep the deer, raccoon, possum, etc. away, but it will draw more Coyotes!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - Sharon Frost Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:34 PM Re: deer and squirrel problem - garlic? Here, check out this website. Coyote Urine ... 100% Coyote Urine- your solution for deer, raccoon, possum, etc. 100% Coyote Urine. Available in the following sizes ...www.predatorpee.com/new_coyotepee.htm - 8k - Cached - More from this site - Save You can find any kind you need.....apparently, they are experts. Sharon. , " greatyoga " <greatyoga wrote: > > Sharon, > > This is something to think about. How do they collect the coyote > urine? I don't think I'd like to be the collector. > > Gb > > feet > > high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to repel rabbits. > > Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation of over- > > population, especially if there are no predetors to keep them in > > check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the numbers.....or > > you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. Culling is basically > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Sorry if it wasn't clear. Particularly in the Bay area a lot of new housing is being developed into the hillside, mountain and forest areas. A lot of that area was habitat for a lot of animals including mountain lions. Also some of the animals they ate no longer have areas to forage and, um, they move into people's gardens in the newly populated areas or wherever they can find food. I believe that the developers and a lot of the people moving into the newly developed areas think a lot about their homes but not very much about the homes they've destroyed. Then the animals don't docilely stay in a smaller area and quietly die. They try to survive. Instead of tranquilizing them and moving them to a less populated area, they shoot them and kill them. This doesn't seem quite fair to me. Gary --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > Who cares if we're moving houses into > their areas? Obviously most people don't think > about that. > > Gary, > > ??? I'm confused about your meaning here. Sorry, > could > you explain? > Cheryl > > > > > > > Actually I think I'm more upset about the > > mountain lions we've had in the SF bay areas. > > We've had several in the last year. They haven't > > tranquilized any of them, just shot and killed > > them. Who cares if we're moving houses into > > their areas? Obviously most people don't think > > about that. > > > > Gary > > > > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > > > > I just think it's very sad that we've > > overdeveloped > > > to > > > the point where deer are nursing their young in > > the > > > driveway. Imagine coming home only to find > someone > > > has > > > yet again destroyed your home and you keep > moving > > > and > > > moving. We've destroyed their home and now we > also > > > want to keep them from eating what they do find. > > > I think we need to find a way to co-exist with > > > animals > > > and sometimes that means sacrificing some > plants. > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > --- Sharon Frost > <sharonisasillyrabbit > > > wrote: > > > > > > > And such is the result of urban sprawl. > > > > Call the local wildlife management, and > present > > a > > > > petition signed by > > > > all the neighbors to have them do a capture > and > > > > relocate program on > > > > the deer. It sounds like the wildlife > department > > > are > > > > not doing their > > > > jobs. Contact the local department of fish and > > > game > > > > as well. > > > > Sharon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , diana > > > scott > > > > > > > > <dianascot_33 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Those of us who live in suburban areas on > the > > > east > > > > > coast can tell you that if deer are big > > problem, > > > > they > > > > > will eat everything. They have no predators > > > here. > > > > > Their population is out of control and they > > have > > > > no > > > > > fear of humans. Tall fencing helps somewhat, > > but > > > > I've > > > > > seen them jump over that. I try to plant > that > > > > which is > > > > > not as tasty <smile> but mainly just watch > > them > > > > > destroy my plants and shrubbery. Have almost > > > > stepped > > > > > on a newborn under my bleeding heart. > > > Unbelievably > > > > > beautiful. Didn't stand up for three days > and > > > then > > > > > very wobbly. They are so tame that they > nurse > > > > their > > > > > baby in driveways. > > > > > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > spam > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Lavender repels animals. val greatyoga <greatyoga wrote: Sharon, This is something to think about. How do they collect the coyote urine? I don't think I'd like to be the collector. Gb feet > high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to repel rabbits. > Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation of over- > population, especially if there are no predetors to keep them in > check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the numbers.....or > you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. Culling is basically Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Thanks for clarifying, Gary. And I completely agree. People think highly of their newly developed homes and think nothing of the animals homes they've destroyed in the process. It's similar here in the east - so many developments...deer are forced into their back yards which used to be their homes and then forced even further onto the roads where they are killed and then we hear the game commissions scream there are too many deer so we must hunt them. When does it end? When the animals are all gone? Cheryl --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > Sorry if it wasn't clear. Particularly in the > Bay area a lot of new housing is being developed > into the hillside, mountain and forest areas. > A lot of that area was habitat for a lot of > animals including mountain lions. Also some > of the animals they ate no longer have areas > to forage and, um, they move into people's > gardens in the newly populated areas or > wherever they can find food. > > I believe that the developers and a lot of > the people moving into the newly developed > areas think a lot about their homes but not > very much about the homes they've destroyed. > > Then the animals don't docilely stay in a > smaller area and quietly die. They try to > survive. Instead of tranquilizing them and > moving them to a less populated area, they > shoot them and kill them. This doesn't seem > quite fair to me. > > Gary > > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > > > --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > > Who cares if we're moving houses into > > their areas? Obviously most people don't think > > about that. > > > > Gary, > > > > ??? I'm confused about your meaning here. Sorry, > > could > > you explain? > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually I think I'm more upset about the > > > mountain lions we've had in the SF bay areas. > > > We've had several in the last year. They > haven't > > > tranquilized any of them, just shot and killed > > > them. Who cares if we're moving houses into > > > their areas? Obviously most people don't think > > > about that. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > > > > > > I just think it's very sad that we've > > > overdeveloped > > > > to > > > > the point where deer are nursing their young > in > > > the > > > > driveway. Imagine coming home only to find > > someone > > > > has > > > > yet again destroyed your home and you keep > > moving > > > > and > > > > moving. We've destroyed their home and now we > > also > > > > want to keep them from eating what they do > find. > > > > I think we need to find a way to co-exist with > > > > animals > > > > and sometimes that means sacrificing some > > plants. > > > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sharon Frost > > <sharonisasillyrabbit > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > And such is the result of urban sprawl. > > > > > Call the local wildlife management, and > > present > > > a > > > > > petition signed by > > > > > all the neighbors to have them do a capture > > and > > > > > relocate program on > > > > > the deer. It sounds like the wildlife > > department > > > > are > > > > > not doing their > > > > > jobs. Contact the local department of fish > and > > > > game > > > > > as well. > > > > > Sharon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > diana > > > > scott > > > > > > > > > > <dianascot_33 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Those of us who live in suburban areas on > > the > > > > east > > > > > > coast can tell you that if deer are big > > > problem, > > > > > they > > > > > > will eat everything. They have no > predators > > > > here. > > > > > > Their population is out of control and > they > > > have > > > > > no > > > > > > fear of humans. Tall fencing helps > somewhat, > > > but > > > > > I've > > > > > > seen them jump over that. I try to plant > > that > > > > > which is > > > > > > not as tasty <smile> but mainly just watch > > > them > > > > > > destroy my plants and shrubbery. Have > almost > > > > > stepped > > > > > > on a newborn under my bleeding heart. > > > > Unbelievably > > > > > > beautiful. Didn't stand up for three days > > and > > > > then > > > > > > very wobbly. They are so tame that they > > nurse > > > > > their > > > > > > baby in driveways. > > > > > > > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > spam > > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 \ --- Sharon Frost <sharonisasillyrabbit wrote:> But deer > will over populate, even when there is little food > sources, and that > is why there is a hunting season for deer, to keep > the populations > in a healthy number of animals. Otherwise, they will > starve, and get > sick from diseases. " First, let me say that there is a hunting season because because the state game commissions are big business. In their own game manuals, they (the hunters) refer to managing populations which consists of killing a certain amount, (bag limits) so that populations either maintain or increase. The motive here is to keep herds fully stocked so there are guaranteed numbers to kill each season. It is NOT the mission of any game commission or hunter to reduce populations. This is their guise to convince the public so that the majority non-hunters, will accept and allow it - after it IS for our own good, isn't it? Populations of deer have been documented to increase with hunting. As more offspring are born to compensate for 'holes' in the populations, herds increase. Also, if you take note, more deer are killed on the roads during hunting seasons than any other time - many insurance companies can attest to this fact. Hunters convince the ignorant non hunter majority that this is the result of overpopulation when in fact, it is due to hunters running them out of the woods during hunting season. There are always two sides to every story. Before anyone goes off believing the propaganda the hunting community tries to spew on us, get all the facts. The American Hunting Myth by Ron Baker is a great source of information. also, a good link: http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/cc2001-fa-deer.html Cheryl Hello, > Deer usually have a breeding season, and one buck > will sire all > fawns in his herd. Depending on how many does a buck > has in a herd, > determines how many fawns are born. Bucks have > territories, and > defend those areas from other bucks, and bacholor > bucks trying to > steal does to make a herd. Available food sources do > come into play > whether or not a doe will come into " season " to > mate. If the food is > plentiful, then the does will go into estrus, thus > being able to > concieve. I'm preety sure available land is'nt as > much as a factor > as territory areas of bucks, and available > vegetation is. > I have heard from old-timers that to urinate around > your plants will > repel deer.....don't know, I have yet to try > that....lol. But deer > will over populate, even when there is little food > sources, and that > is why there is a hunting season for deer, to keep > the populations > in a healthy number of animals. Otherwise, they will > starve, and get > sick from diseases. > > Rabbits, will breed all spring thru summer, and some > will still have > litters into fall. A litter can be s many as 8 > bunnies, and they are > independent at 3 weeks, of which, the doe is already > pregnant with > the next litter after one week of giving birth to > the previous > litter. Rabbits are breeding, eating, pooping > creatures. They will > continue to mate and have litters even if there is > no food or > vegetation to support the new bunnies, or to eat for > themselves and > unable to produce milk for the babies to nurse on. > The mortality > rate is high, as most do not make it to adulthood, > but, the ones > that do, they become the new baby-making machines. A > pair of rabbits > can destroy 2500 sq. feet of garden in a single > night....meaning > they are nibblers, and take nibbles out of > everything, and mking the > produce unsellable to markets. > To keep rabbits out of the garden, you will need > chicken wire, > buried at a depth of one foot or two in the ground, > and 3 to 4 feet > high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to > repel rabbits. > Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation > of over- > population, especially if there are no predetors to > keep them in > check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the > numbers.....or > you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. > Culling is basically > killing several of the adult breeding rabbits. > As far as garlic, rabbits eat that. They will try > anything, and even > if it is untasty, they are not at all intellegent, > and will continue > to taste-test everything all over again. > If you have a deer or rabbit problem, you can leave > offerings of > dried alfalfa far from the garden, as I find this > doable with the > squirrels here, except I feed them chicken scratch > corn. They do > leave my garden areas alone. Allso, deer LOVE corn, > and a salt lick > will keep them to the areas that are ok for them to > be. > Good luck. > Sharon. > > > > > , Cheryl > Baker > <starborn59 wrote: > > > > I'm no expert either but I do remember reading > about > > " density dependent' , where animals, in particular > > deer, will have a number of offspring according to > > available land. So I'm not sure if the food source > > would factor in to more offspring - sounds > possible > > though. > > That considered, I retract my last statement about > > planting more. > > Cheryl > > > > --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > > > > > I would agree with that except I just (Friday) > > > watched an episode of Meerkat Manor and it > talked > > > about an area of land only able to sustain so > many > > > animals. I wonder if you kept growing enough to > > > sustain n number of animals they would have more > > > baby animals and then you would have 2*n animals > > > (or some such number) and have to grow more > > > plants to sustain them and then you would have > > > 4*n animals and you would have to . . . . . > > > > > > Honestly I don't know if it works that way > > > but the thought just crossed my mind. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Why not just plant more plants so there is > plenty > > > > for everyone to eat! > > > > > > > > cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 I also wanted to add that hunters do not kill the weak and sick deer, they take the big healthy ones. Do you think they want to eat sick weak animals? Or hang up the head on their trophy wall of some sick meek looking deer? No,they dont'. So what they are doing is contributing to the sick and weak multiplying. There was a study done years ago on deer populations. If I can find it, I'll send the link. They ceased all hunting in this one area and allowed nature to take over. Over a few years, the deer populations were self managing and there was no need for hunting. But try convincing those with interests in hunting that. They will fight to their own death. They're conviced that killing animals is their right and if they enter the woods with a six pack and a shotgun, they are doing God's work. Cheryl --- Sharon Frost <sharonisasillyrabbit wrote: > Hello, > Deer usually have a breeding season, and one buck > will sire all > fawns in his herd. Depending on how many does a buck > has in a herd, > determines how many fawns are born. Bucks have > territories, and > defend those areas from other bucks, and bacholor > bucks trying to > steal does to make a herd. Available food sources do > come into play > whether or not a doe will come into " season " to > mate. If the food is > plentiful, then the does will go into estrus, thus > being able to > concieve. I'm preety sure available land is'nt as > much as a factor > as territory areas of bucks, and available > vegetation is. > I have heard from old-timers that to urinate around > your plants will > repel deer.....don't know, I have yet to try > that....lol. But deer > will over populate, even when there is little food > sources, and that > is why there is a hunting season for deer, to keep > the populations > in a healthy number of animals. Otherwise, they will > starve, and get > sick from diseases. > > Rabbits, will breed all spring thru summer, and some > will still have > litters into fall. A litter can be s many as 8 > bunnies, and they are > independent at 3 weeks, of which, the doe is already > pregnant with > the next litter after one week of giving birth to > the previous > litter. Rabbits are breeding, eating, pooping > creatures. They will > continue to mate and have litters even if there is > no food or > vegetation to support the new bunnies, or to eat for > themselves and > unable to produce milk for the babies to nurse on. > The mortality > rate is high, as most do not make it to adulthood, > but, the ones > that do, they become the new baby-making machines. A > pair of rabbits > can destroy 2500 sq. feet of garden in a single > night....meaning > they are nibblers, and take nibbles out of > everything, and mking the > produce unsellable to markets. > To keep rabbits out of the garden, you will need > chicken wire, > buried at a depth of one foot or two in the ground, > and 3 to 4 feet > high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to > repel rabbits. > Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation > of over- > population, especially if there are no predetors to > keep them in > check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the > numbers.....or > you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. > Culling is basically > killing several of the adult breeding rabbits. > As far as garlic, rabbits eat that. They will try > anything, and even > if it is untasty, they are not at all intellegent, > and will continue > to taste-test everything all over again. > If you have a deer or rabbit problem, you can leave > offerings of > dried alfalfa far from the garden, as I find this > doable with the > squirrels here, except I feed them chicken scratch > corn. They do > leave my garden areas alone. Allso, deer LOVE corn, > and a salt lick > will keep them to the areas that are ok for them to > be. > Good luck. > Sharon. > > > > > , Cheryl > Baker > <starborn59 wrote: > > > > I'm no expert either but I do remember reading > about > > " density dependent' , where animals, in particular > > deer, will have a number of offspring according to > > available land. So I'm not sure if the food source > > would factor in to more offspring - sounds > possible > > though. > > That considered, I retract my last statement about > > planting more. > > Cheryl > > > > --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > > > > > I would agree with that except I just (Friday) > > > watched an episode of Meerkat Manor and it > talked > > > about an area of land only able to sustain so > many > > > animals. I wonder if you kept growing enough to > > > sustain n number of animals they would have more > > > baby animals and then you would have 2*n animals > > > (or some such number) and have to grow more > > > plants to sustain them and then you would have > > > 4*n animals and you would have to . . . . . > > > > > > Honestly I don't know if it works that way > > > but the thought just crossed my mind. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Why not just plant more plants so there is > plenty > > > > for everyone to eat! > > > > > > > > cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 It kills me too - around here they move to the country and then trap and kill any little creature they see. If you don't like the animals, move to the city. Cheryl --- strayfeather1 <otherbox2001 wrote: > Idiots around the Seattle area move out to Cougar > Mountain and then > complain when cougars eat their dogs and cats. > Peace, > Diane > > > , Gary > Mattingly > <gsmattingly wrote: > > > > Actually I think I'm more upset about the > > mountain lions we've had in the SF bay areas. > > We've had several in the last year. They haven't > > tranquilized any of them, just shot and killed > > them. Who cares if we're moving houses into > > their areas? Obviously most people don't think > > about that. > > > > Gary > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Hello everyone back on a Monday from an extended vacation,and wow. First of all the studies that they did on not hunting deer did not work as the the deer were being run over by cars,or jumping though peoples windows and sliding glass doors. Second of all even if only the healthy deer are taken Nature takes care of the sick. Third this not the place to bash Hunters. Go to Petas sight,or a place like this. I enjoy seeing the wildlife every where I travel and I do not like to see the wildlife being pushed out of there habitat. The deer that your seeing are being pushed out of an area that is being populated,houses being built etc.,but as soon as things calm down they will move back in and live with us. Squirrels are a different story and there population runs on cycles. As soon as the food supply becomes scarce there offspring becomes limited, unlike humans who just reproduce and then when we the humans can not support ourselves,we go to the government. Where I live here in Naples,Maine my backyard supports approx.7 to 9 deer at all times. Do I shoot deer? I used too. The challenge is not there anymore. Why? Because the population has moved the same amount of deer herd that has not grown any more in size from the 70's to present date. Is it better management? You decide. I am just going with Mother Nature. Have a great day everyone and sorry for the rant,but it could not hold it in any more bring on those great recipes, Calvin Weeks Cheryl Baker wrote: > I also wanted to add that hunters do not kill the weak > and sick deer, they take the big healthy ones. Do you > think they want to eat sick weak animals? Or hang up > the head on their trophy wall of some sick meek > looking deer? No,they dont'. So what they are doing is > contributing to the sick and weak multiplying. > > There was a study done years ago on deer populations. > If I can find it, I'll send the link. They ceased all > hunting in this one area and allowed nature to take > over. Over a few years, the deer populations were self > managing and there was no need for hunting. But try > convincing those with interests in hunting that. They > will fight to their own death. They're conviced that > killing animals is their right and if they enter the > woods with a six pack and a shotgun, they are doing > God's work. > > > Cheryl > > > --- Sharon Frost <sharonisasillyrabbit > wrote: > > >> Hello, >> Deer usually have a breeding season, and one buck >> will sire all >> fawns in his herd. Depending on how many does a buck >> has in a herd, >> determines how many fawns are born. Bucks have >> territories, and >> defend those areas from other bucks, and bacholor >> bucks trying to >> steal does to make a herd. Available food sources do >> come into play >> whether or not a doe will come into " season " to >> mate. If the food is >> plentiful, then the does will go into estrus, thus >> being able to >> concieve. I'm preety sure available land is'nt as >> much as a factor >> as territory areas of bucks, and available >> vegetation is. >> I have heard from old-timers that to urinate around >> your plants will >> repel deer.....don't know, I have yet to try >> that....lol. But deer >> will over populate, even when there is little food >> sources, and that >> is why there is a hunting season for deer, to keep >> the populations >> in a healthy number of animals. Otherwise, they will >> starve, and get >> sick from diseases. >> >> Rabbits, will breed all spring thru summer, and some >> will still have >> litters into fall. A litter can be s many as 8 >> bunnies, and they are >> independent at 3 weeks, of which, the doe is already >> pregnant with >> the next litter after one week of giving birth to >> the previous >> litter. Rabbits are breeding, eating, pooping >> creatures. They will >> continue to mate and have litters even if there is >> no food or >> vegetation to support the new bunnies, or to eat for >> themselves and >> unable to produce milk for the babies to nurse on. >> The mortality >> rate is high, as most do not make it to adulthood, >> but, the ones >> that do, they become the new baby-making machines. A >> pair of rabbits >> can destroy 2500 sq. feet of garden in a single >> night....meaning >> they are nibblers, and take nibbles out of >> everything, and mking the >> produce unsellable to markets. >> To keep rabbits out of the garden, you will need >> chicken wire, >> buried at a depth of one foot or two in the ground, >> and 3 to 4 feet >> high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to >> repel rabbits. >> Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation >> of over- >> population, especially if there are no predetors to >> keep them in >> check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the >> numbers.....or >> you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. >> Culling is basically >> killing several of the adult breeding rabbits. >> As far as garlic, rabbits eat that. They will try >> anything, and even >> if it is untasty, they are not at all intellegent, >> and will continue >> to taste-test everything all over again. >> If you have a deer or rabbit problem, you can leave >> offerings of >> dried alfalfa far from the garden, as I find this >> doable with the >> squirrels here, except I feed them chicken scratch >> corn. They do >> leave my garden areas alone. Allso, deer LOVE corn, >> and a salt lick >> will keep them to the areas that are ok for them to >> be. >> Good luck. >> Sharon. >> >> >> >> >> , Cheryl >> Baker >> <starborn59 wrote: >> >>> I'm no expert either but I do remember reading >>> >> about >> >>> " density dependent' , where animals, in particular >>> deer, will have a number of offspring according to >>> available land. So I'm not sure if the food source >>> would factor in to more offspring - sounds >>> >> possible >> >>> though. >>> That considered, I retract my last statement about >>> planting more. >>> Cheryl >>> >>> --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I would agree with that except I just (Friday) >>>> watched an episode of Meerkat Manor and it >>>> >> talked >> >>>> about an area of land only able to sustain so >>>> >> many >> >>>> animals. I wonder if you kept growing enough to >>>> sustain n number of animals they would have more >>>> baby animals and then you would have 2*n animals >>>> (or some such number) and have to grow more >>>> plants to sustain them and then you would have >>>> 4*n animals and you would have to . . . . . >>>> >>>> Honestly I don't know if it works that way >>>> but the thought just crossed my mind. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Why not just plant more plants so there is >>>>> >> plenty >> >>>>> for everyone to eat! >>>>> >>>>> cheryl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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