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Hi,

 

I don't have a deer problem or much of

a squirrel problem. I think we have two

squirrels and they do eat some of the bird

food but the dogs usually chase them off.

 

With respect to garlic, I note that

Havahart Deer-Off Concentrate has garlic

and capsaicin and is for deers, rabbits

and squirrels. So someone out there thinks

garlic will help keep them away. Of course

googling garlic and squirrels gets me a

whole lot of squirrels recipes. Being

a vegetarian that's not very helpful, eh?

 

Ah, just found this also, bunch of animal

repellents and their ingredients:

<http://www.entm.purdue.edu/wildlife/Chemical%20Control/squirrelchem.htm>

 

Gary

 

--- genny_y2k <genny_y2k wrote:

 

> -Good advise GB, I have used a soapy mixture to help

> keep those pesky

> critters from eating my plants. However I use baby

> shampoo/bath

> hoping it has less chemicals and is more Earth

> friendly. A spray

> bottle filled with water and apx. 1 tablespoon of

> the soap works

> great. I also lightly spray the soil around the

> plant. Works for

> indoor plants too. Keeps bugs away and kitty friends

> who might think

> your garden soil or plant pots are litter boxes..LOL

> Deanna

>

> -- In , " greatyoga "

> <greatyoga

> wrote:

> >

> > Sharon

> > '

> > Have you tried putting cayenne on your outdoor

> plants? You could

> make

> > up a solution using cayenne, dish soap so it will

> stick to plants

> and

> > water. Soap helps mixture stick to the plants and

> the squiirrels

> will

> > not like it either. Put mixture in watering can

> and sprinkle

> plants.

> > Squirrels do not like cayenne. You can mix

> cayenne with bird food

> and

> > the birds will eat it but squirrels will not. I

> have a suspicion

> they

> > do not like garlic also. Maybe Gary would know.

> I know if you use

> > above formula with garlic, minced, then it will

> help keep insects

> and

> > fungus off plants.

> >

> > GB

> >

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Those of us who live in suburban areas on the east

coast can tell you that if deer are big problem, they

will eat everything. They have no predators here.

Their population is out of control and they have no

fear of humans. Tall fencing helps somewhat, but I've

seen them jump over that. I try to plant that which is

not as tasty <smile> but mainly just watch them

destroy my plants and shrubbery. Have almost stepped

on a newborn under my bleeding heart. Unbelievably

beautiful. Didn't stand up for three days and then

very wobbly. They are so tame that they nurse their

baby in driveways.

 

Diana

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello,

Deer usually have a breeding season, and one buck will sire all

fawns in his herd. Depending on how many does a buck has in a herd,

determines how many fawns are born. Bucks have territories, and

defend those areas from other bucks, and bacholor bucks trying to

steal does to make a herd. Available food sources do come into play

whether or not a doe will come into " season " to mate. If the food is

plentiful, then the does will go into estrus, thus being able to

concieve. I'm preety sure available land is'nt as much as a factor

as territory areas of bucks, and available vegetation is.

I have heard from old-timers that to urinate around your plants will

repel deer.....don't know, I have yet to try that....lol. But deer

will over populate, even when there is little food sources, and that

is why there is a hunting season for deer, to keep the populations

in a healthy number of animals. Otherwise, they will starve, and get

sick from diseases.

 

Rabbits, will breed all spring thru summer, and some will still have

litters into fall. A litter can be s many as 8 bunnies, and they are

independent at 3 weeks, of which, the doe is already pregnant with

the next litter after one week of giving birth to the previous

litter. Rabbits are breeding, eating, pooping creatures. They will

continue to mate and have litters even if there is no food or

vegetation to support the new bunnies, or to eat for themselves and

unable to produce milk for the babies to nurse on. The mortality

rate is high, as most do not make it to adulthood, but, the ones

that do, they become the new baby-making machines. A pair of rabbits

can destroy 2500 sq. feet of garden in a single night....meaning

they are nibblers, and take nibbles out of everything, and mking the

produce unsellable to markets.

To keep rabbits out of the garden, you will need chicken wire,

buried at a depth of one foot or two in the ground, and 3 to 4 feet

high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to repel rabbits.

Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation of over-

population, especially if there are no predetors to keep them in

check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the numbers.....or

you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. Culling is basically

killing several of the adult breeding rabbits.

As far as garlic, rabbits eat that. They will try anything, and even

if it is untasty, they are not at all intellegent, and will continue

to taste-test everything all over again.

If you have a deer or rabbit problem, you can leave offerings of

dried alfalfa far from the garden, as I find this doable with the

squirrels here, except I feed them chicken scratch corn. They do

leave my garden areas alone. Allso, deer LOVE corn, and a salt lick

will keep them to the areas that are ok for them to be.

Good luck.

Sharon.

 

 

 

 

, Cheryl Baker

<starborn59 wrote:

>

> I'm no expert either but I do remember reading about

> " density dependent' , where animals, in particular

> deer, will have a number of offspring according to

> available land. So I'm not sure if the food source

> would factor in to more offspring - sounds possible

> though.

> That considered, I retract my last statement about

> planting more.:)

> Cheryl

>

> --- Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote:

>

> > I would agree with that except I just (Friday)

> > watched an episode of Meerkat Manor and it talked

> > about an area of land only able to sustain so many

> > animals. I wonder if you kept growing enough to

> > sustain n number of animals they would have more

> > baby animals and then you would have 2*n animals

> > (or some such number) and have to grow more

> > plants to sustain them and then you would have

> > 4*n animals and you would have to . . . . .

> >

> > Honestly I don't know if it works that way

> > but the thought just crossed my mind.

> >

> > Gary

> >

> > --- Cheryl Baker <starborn59 wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Why not just plant more plants so there is plenty

> > > for everyone to eat!

> > >

> > > cheryl

> > > :)

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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And such is the result of urban sprawl.

Call the local wildlife management, and present a petition signed by

all the neighbors to have them do a capture and relocate program on

the deer. It sounds like the wildlife department are not doing their

jobs. Contact the local department of fish and game as well.

Sharon.

 

 

 

, diana scott

<dianascot_33 wrote:

>

> Those of us who live in suburban areas on the east

> coast can tell you that if deer are big problem, they

> will eat everything. They have no predators here.

> Their population is out of control and they have no

> fear of humans. Tall fencing helps somewhat, but I've

> seen them jump over that. I try to plant that which is

> not as tasty <smile> but mainly just watch them

> destroy my plants and shrubbery. Have almost stepped

> on a newborn under my bleeding heart. Unbelievably

> beautiful. Didn't stand up for three days and then

> very wobbly. They are so tame that they nurse their

> baby in driveways.

>

> Diana

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Sharon,

 

This is something to think about. How do they collect the coyote

urine? I don't think I'd like to be the collector.

 

Gb

 

feet

> high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to repel rabbits.

> Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation of over-

> population, especially if there are no predetors to keep them in

> check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the numbers.....or

> you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. Culling is basically

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You know, I cant answer that one. But, I think it's synthetic, but,

I can look it up and call and ask...? I wonder how much one gets

paid to be the collector.....hummm.

Anyways, I'll check it out.

Sharon.

 

 

 

, " greatyoga " <greatyoga

wrote:

>

> Sharon,

>

> This is something to think about. How do they collect the coyote

> urine? I don't think I'd like to be the collector.

>

> Gb

>

> feet

> > high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to repel

rabbits.

> > Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation of over-

> > population, especially if there are no predetors to keep them in

> > check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the

numbers.....or

> > you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. Culling is

basically

>

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Here, check out this website.

 

 

 

Coyote Urine

.... 100% Coyote Urine- your solution for deer, raccoon, possum, etc.

100% Coyote Urine. Available in the following

sizes ...www.predatorpee.com/new_coyotepee.htm - 8k - Cached - More

from this site - Save

 

You can find any kind you need.....apparently, they are experts.

Sharon.

 

 

 

, " greatyoga " <greatyoga

wrote:

>

> Sharon,

>

> This is something to think about. How do they collect the coyote

> urine? I don't think I'd like to be the collector.

>

> Gb

>

> feet

> > high. Also, you can purchase coyote urine online to repel

rabbits.

> > Rabbits also, will breed themselves into a situation of over-

> > population, especially if there are no predetors to keep them in

> > check, which then culling is nessecary to reduce the

numbers.....or

> > you can be over-run by rabbits, as we are here. Culling is

basically

>

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Idiots around the Seattle area move out to Cougar Mountain and then

complain when cougars eat their dogs and cats.

Peace,

Diane

 

 

, Gary Mattingly

<gsmattingly wrote:

>

> Actually I think I'm more upset about the

> mountain lions we've had in the SF bay areas.

> We've had several in the last year. They haven't

> tranquilized any of them, just shot and killed

> them. Who cares if we're moving houses into

> their areas? Obviously most people don't think

> about that.

>

> Gary

>

>

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