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Hi all. I have an undoubtedly stupid question, but so many people

expect me to know I'll ask anyways. Why don't vegans eat honey? It's

the only part I don't understand. You'd be suprised how many people I

know ask me that because they know I'm a vegetarian and I have no

clue, as far as I know nothing is harmed. What don't I know???

Thanks in advance for any answers you have.

-Lisa

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A few web pages of info:

<http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm>

<http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qahoney.htm>

<http://www.vegetarianteen.com/questions/question20.shtml>

 

The first two web pages have rather extensive

explanations.

Here's a short answer from the third source above.

" Honey is made by bees, which are animals, therefore

using honey would be using an animal product, which

vegans aren't supposed to do. In the " mainstream, "

Queen bees are artificially inseminated by the body of

a decapitated male bee (Resource, Vegan Society) and

the bees are also not allowed to swarm. "

 

Similar uses relative to the use of silk.

 

Gary

 

--- starfirefive <starfirefive wrote:

 

> Hi all. I have an undoubtedly stupid question, but

> so many people

> expect me to know I'll ask anyways. Why don't

> vegans eat honey? It's

> the only part I don't understand. You'd be suprised

> how many people I

> know ask me that because they know I'm a vegetarian

> and I have no

> clue, as far as I know nothing is harmed. What

> don't I know???

> Thanks in advance for any answers you have.

> -Lisa

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I would say it is because honey comes from bees which are insects and part

of the animal kingdom??

 

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:30 PM

Vegans & Honey

 

 

Hi all. I have an undoubtedly stupid question, but so many people

expect me to know I'll ask anyways. Why don't vegans eat honey? It's

the only part I don't understand. You'd be suprised how many people I

know ask me that because they know I'm a vegetarian and I have no

clue, as far as I know nothing is harmed. What don't I know???

Thanks in advance for any answers you have.

-Lisa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Beats me, I know as many veggies who use honey as those who don't. I am a lacto

ovo vegetarian, some aren't. I also use honey when I can get it fresh from a

friend's bees. (and I use yeast, a living organism, to raise my breads) Jeanne

in Georgia

 

 

 

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Do you have a chance to read the link I posted yet?

I'm lacto ovo too and I do have cow's milk allergy so I'm careful, if it's

aged Parmesan or Cheedar I get away with a little and for some reason I can eat

the whole stick of butter and it doesn't bother me, I cook with eggs and I use

maple syrup in place of honey since it pours out faster and I like the flavor, I

will use honey when I make baklava. I

Donna

 

treazure noname <treazured wrote:

Beats me, I know as many veggies who use honey as those who don't. I

am a lacto ovo vegetarian, some aren't. I also use honey when I can get it fresh

from a friend's bees. (and I use yeast, a living organism, to raise my breads)

Jeanne in Georgia

 

 

 

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At 06:45 PM 7/12/2006 -0400, you wrote:

 

>I would say it is because honey comes from bees which are insects and part

>of the animal kingdom??

 

That's kind of an arbitrary reason though. I mean if they decided to change

the classification of cows to plants, I wouldn't eat them or their milk. I

do honey because I honestly couldn't find a good reason not to when people

would ask me why I didn't eat it. The bees can leave any time they want.

Maybe I'm missing something. Do they really cut the heads off of males?

I've heard that was bunk, but I'm willing to change my mind, certainly. The

beekeepers I have met seem to keep them more like a semi-feral cat or

something. Wild, but caretaken.

 

Unrelated to honey, there's much philosophy about the " animal " definition

being hard and fast. I go by sentience/suffering. Sponges, oysters, clams,

mussels and similar species have no nervous system and nothing resembling a

brain. Hence the book " Animal Liberation " considers them vegan-friendly.

Not to start a big debate. It's just kind of interesting to see where the

line gets drawn.

 

Veronica

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Find this discussion interesting. So you're saying

that animals include insects? I have considered them

mammals. Also, I have trouble with oysters and such

because they are basically scavengers. Bacteria have

no nervous system and yet many of them are not edible.

Seems this whole area is quircky <smile> Bees are

insects. Seems to be a better argument for not eating

honey if one doesn't, is that it is sugar.

Diana

 

 

 

 

 

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This reminds me of a character in Marion Zimmer Bradley's Thendara House. The

character would not eat natural foods that had once had life, only " food " made

of chemicals,that had never lived.

 

Jeanne in Georgia chomping on a tomato sandwich and being very grateful for

tomatoes and sunshine and and and and

 

 

 

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Hi folks,

My name is Kathy. I know a little about this but am by no means an expert.

 

I have read that some people don't eat honey because they feel the bees are

being taken advantage of. Personally I do eat honey. I also consider the source

of the honey. I would never eat honey taken from a wild hive. Those bees are

doing their best to just survive. Honey from bees that are being 'kept' is

different to me. Kept bees have their homes provided for them so they don't have

to put their energy into building one. The also are fairly well protected from

predators (except from humans, if you think that way). Those bees put all their

effort into producing honey and end up with a lot more than they need to

survive. Ethical beekeepers take the extra, leaving enough for the bees to

survive.

 

Like I said, I'm not an expert, but that is the story as I know it.

 

Peace,

Kathy

 

 

 

 

 

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-And I had a grated carrot sandwich Jeanne w/ Vegenaise. Now do we

know how to live or waht. Lots of sunshine and blue sky here that

goes on forever.

Smiles and hugs coming your way

Deanna-- In , treazure noname

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> This reminds me of a character in Marion Zimmer Bradley's Thendara

House. The character would not eat natural foods that had once had

life, only " food " made of chemicals,that had never lived.

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> Jeanne in Georgia chomping on a tomato sandwich and being very

grateful for tomatoes and sunshine and and and and

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Oh now that is another of my favorite sandwiches, carrots and 'naise!!!! Or cole

slaw. YUM! Is there anything better than fresh from the ground, grown in the sun

veggies? ~hugs back at you!~ Jeanne in Georgia

 

 

 

 

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