Vegans & Honey/mollusks,etc

[Guest guest]

Personally I to the right to life for all creatures great and

small.

Maybe the below mentioned creatures do not have a known 'brain' ( boy do I

know some humans I could say that about!) or nervous system as science

understands it, but they DO try to escape for their lives if they know there

is a threat to their existence! They may move too slowly to escape alot of

their predators- but they are mobile of their own accord- so that is enough

for me.

When i first heard Paul and Linda McCartney's phrase " we eat nothing that

has a face " - i thought that was a good way to say it to people- so that it

includes chicken and fish- which seems to be the point where vegetarianism

gets blurry for alot of folks. But it didn't cover why I don't eat sea

life- so I added on '......or tries to escape for it's life " .

I just try to eat as low as the food chain as possible. I couldn't eat sea

life and not feel bad in my heart for it- sometimes- once you've been

enlightened- that is the best way to go- listen to your heart.

Sharon in SA

-

" Diamond Dog " <diamonddog

 

>

> Unrelated to honey, there's much philosophy about the " animal " definition

> being hard and fast. I go by sentience/suffering. Sponges, oysters, clams,

> mussels and similar species have no nervous system and nothing resembling

> a

> brain. Hence the book " Animal Liberation " considers them vegan-friendly.

> Not to start a big debate. It's just kind of interesting to see where the

> line gets drawn.

>

> Veronica

[Guest guest]

My hubby is a vegan who won't eat honey... the whole

artificial insemination and smoking them out of the

hive thing (I love agave nectar anyway!). ANYWAY, this

is what he had to say about the book:

" ... the author of that book re-published it with

changes.. the biggest being that there was no proof

that those creatures do not feel pain.

Anyhoo... they are part of the animal kingdom...we

should just all eat play-doh and then there would be

no controversy... "

 

I don't know about the play-doh though... I'm sure I

ate it when I was little but my palate is a little

more refined now.

 

:-)

Whitney

--- Rishari <Rishari wrote:

 

> Personally I to the right to life for all

> creatures great and

> small.

> Maybe the below mentioned creatures do not have a

> known 'brain' ( boy do I

> know some humans I could say that about!) or nervous

> system as science

> understands it, but they DO try to escape for their

> lives if they know there

> is a threat to their existence! They may move too

> slowly to escape alot of

> their predators- but they are mobile of their own

> accord- so that is enough

> for me.

> When i first heard Paul and Linda McCartney's phrase

> " we eat nothing that

> has a face " - i thought that was a good way to say

> it to people- so that it

> includes chicken and fish- which seems to be the

> point where vegetarianism

> gets blurry for alot of folks. But it didn't cover

> why I don't eat sea

> life- so I added on '......or tries to escape for

> it's life " .

> I just try to eat as low as the food chain as

> possible. I couldn't eat sea

> life and not feel bad in my heart for it- sometimes-

> once you've been

> enlightened- that is the best way to go- listen to

> your heart.

> Sharon in SA

> -

> " Diamond Dog " <diamonddog

>

> >

> > Unrelated to honey, there's much philosophy about

> the " animal " definition

> > being hard and fast. I go by sentience/suffering.

> Sponges, oysters, clams,

> > mussels and similar species have no nervous system

> and nothing resembling

> > a

> > brain. Hence the book " Animal Liberation "

> considers them vegan-friendly.

> > Not to start a big debate. It's just kind of

> interesting to see where the

> > line gets drawn.

> >

> > Veronica

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> When i first heard Paul and Linda McCartney's phrase " we eat nothing

that

> has a face "

That's funny, I always tell people I won't eat anything that has

eyes. Doesn't matter if all the little sea creatures have eyes or

not, I wouldn't eat them if they where vegetarian. They fall firmly

in the " what was the first person to consider this food thinking? "

category. And there is definately vegetarian food that falls in that

category!

 

I appreciate everyone's views on honey, I really do get asked that

question a lot. I guess I'll never be a true vegan, this conversation

made me crave baklava (sp?) ever since I read Donna's post.

[Guest guest]

>the biggest being that there was no proof

>that those creatures do not feel pain.

 

I suppose that would depend on the definition of pain. Is pain still pain

if there's no brain/nerves to process it? They still seem about as sentient

as a plant to me. It all boils down to what one considers sentient or which

reasoning one uses for their veganism (sentience vs. animal definition). Oh

and yeast isn't an animal, it's in the eucariotic kingdom to my

understanding. I think I just spelled that wrong. Sorry!

 

At any rate, I'm just discussing here for discussion's sake.

 

V.

[Guest guest]

I always say that when a carrot can run from me, I'll stop eating

it! haaa! Poor immobile carrots!

 

Sealife...I'm not going to eat it; I don't care what it's

considered. I believe most of the organisms that were listed are

filter feeders, so it would kind of be like eating a dirty vacuum

filter...kind of like liver. Plus I've always thought they were

sentient, so I'm just sticking with that. And

harvesting the ocean for these " foods " is environmentally

unfriendly. Just my opinion.

 

, " starfirefive "

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>

> > When i first heard Paul and Linda McCartney's phrase " we eat

nothing

> that

> > has a face "