OT: Rant of the day: vegetarian diet diagnosed POOR?

July 19, 2006

A medical doctor is not a nutritionist. They only get a two-week course in

nutrition. He shouldn't even have advised anyone on their nutrition. I

think I would demand another doctor.

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

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treazure noname

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:45 AM

OT: Rant of the day: vegetarian diet diagnosed

POOR?

Well this is just spiffing. The husband person, who had a quadruple bypass

in 96, and is diabetic, just went to our doctor (a resident) for a checkup

because he is having problems breathing and another doctor at the office

said he was in Congestive Heart Failure.

Good news, no, he isn't in CHF. (blood test ruled out) BUT, despite my

husband having lost 5 pounds, despite the fact that he is vegetarian (lacto

ovo) the doctor wrote the following on his chart. " POOR DIET. "

SAY WHAT? I thought we had gotten a bit further past the point when a

doctor, a newbie doctor at that, considered a really well planned vegetarian

diet to be POOR.

The doctor based his " diagnosis " on a 6 month old blood test that showed

my husband's glucose at 150. Not yesterday morning's test of 102. Not his

A1C of 120. But based his diagnosis on the vegetarian diet.

This also has peeved me. Did he listen to my husband's heart? No. Did he

run even a piddly resting EKG? No. Did he write up a request for consult

with a cardiologist seeing as husband hasn't seen one since the heart

surgery? No. He did send him to a pulmonologist to see why he is having

problems breathing.

(Oh gee, lemme think. Could it be because he has asthma, works in the

south Georgia heat breathing air you could probably cut with a knife, doing

very strenous activity?)

ARGH!

a really peeved Jeanne in Georgia

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July 19, 2006

How frustrating Jeanne! Especially when there's so many other factors

to consider (heat, asthma etc). I've just finished reading " The China

Study " and unfortunately, doctors are still trained to treat the

symptoms rather than the cause. And nutrition education in medical

school is nearly non-existent. My doctor has not expressed any

concerns with my vegetarian diet. My BP, cholesterol and weight are

all down! Who can argue with that? Stick to your guns - your diet is

the best possible for you both. Blessings,

Cyndy

July 19, 2006

How frustrating, Jeanne! Especially when there's so many other factors

to consider (the humidity, asthma, etc). I've just finished

reading " The China Study " . Sadly, medical schools barely cover

nutrition; doctors are still trained to treat symptoms rather than

causes. I'm lucky to have found a doctor who does not poo-poo my

vegetarian diet. My BP, cholesterol and weight are all down - who can

argue with that? Hang in there - you know a vegetarian diet is the

best thing for you both. Blessings,

Cyndy

July 19, 2006

Jeanne

There are a couple of major possibilities for this that I can think

of. Your physician may have a bias against vegetarian diets. The

second is maybe there is some truth to what he is saying. I saw

Dick Gregory speak in the mid 70's, about a year or 2 after I became

a vegetarian. He said that after he became a vegetarian, he ate

cheese sandwiches, cakes, pies and vegetarian " junk food " . One can

do this being an omnivore or a vegetarian. Sugar in any form is

responsible for diabetes and heart problems. If the body cannot

process sugar correctly, then it stores it as fat and clogs arteries

and other channels. I do not know what your husband eats and do not

want to speculate. I would definitely look at the diet because it

is the first thing to look at in both problems. Also execise is

important since it burns sugar so less sugar can be metabolized

easier. I would write down on a piece of paper everything he eats

for 3 days. Compile the # of calories and sugars and fats. Also

fiber is important. In health, excretion is as important as input.

We are what we digest and excrete (or don't excrete). Chemicals in

food are important to look at. Sugar substitutes that are chemical

impede the metabolism. Also, eat for your Ayurvedic dosha. Eating

late at night is deadly. The food does not digest and becomes ama

(toxins). Hope this helps and good luck

GB

, treazure noname

<treazured wrote:

>

> Well this is just spiffing. The husband person, who had a

quadruple bypass in 96, and is diabetic, just went to our doctor (a

resident) for a checkup because he is having problems breathing and

another doctor at the office said he was in Congestive Heart Failure.

>

> Good news, no, he isn't in CHF. (blood test ruled out) BUT,

despite my husband having lost 5 pounds, despite the fact that he is

vegetarian (lacto ovo) the doctor wrote the following on his

chart. " POOR DIET. "

>

> SAY WHAT? I thought we had gotten a bit further past the point

when a doctor, a newbie doctor at that, considered a really well

planned vegetarian diet to be POOR.

>

> The doctor based his " diagnosis " on a 6 month old blood test

that showed my husband's glucose at 150. Not yesterday morning's

test of 102. Not his A1C of 120. But based his diagnosis on the

vegetarian diet.

>

> This also has peeved me. Did he listen to my husband's heart?

No. Did he run even a piddly resting EKG? No. Did he write up a

request for consult with a cardiologist seeing as husband hasn't

seen one since the heart surgery? No. He did send him to a

pulmonologist to see why he is having problems breathing.

>

> (Oh gee, lemme think. Could it be because he has asthma, works

in the south Georgia heat breathing air you could probably cut with

a knife, doing very strenous activity?)

>

> ARGH!

>

> a really peeved Jeanne in Georgia

>

> See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out.

>

July 19, 2006

Nope, no junk foods in this house unless I make them. But after ranting, I

called the doctor's office and spoke with my secret agent...er....friend. She

said, " Jeanne, you didn't know he is the biggest Atkins supporter in the

practice? " AH HA. It becomes clear. She went on to tell me that the hospital,

with whom the practice (resident training program), has it's own weight loss

program that is just Atkins with their name on it. BLEAH yuk ptooie.

NOoooooooooo thanks. She gave me the name of another local doctor who is veg

friendly, and IS a vegetarian, so I am going to get a consult with him.

If he can get me off all the blankety blank blank pills the other docs have me

on, I'll be happy. If he can care properly (IMO) for the husband person, I'll

be ecstatic!!!

Jeanne in Georgia

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July 19, 2006

Geez, aren't they aware how many health organizations have condemned the

Atkins diet for the damage it does to the heart, kidneys, etc? And the

American Dietetic Association's endorsement of the veg diets? I'm pretty

lucky I guess that my doctors are fairly supportive, and that I've got a

registered dietician for a sister in law who's not veg but is supportive.

Veronica

At 03:19 PM 7/19/2006 -0700, you wrote:

>Nope, no junk foods in this house unless I make them. But after ranting, I

>called the doctor's office and spoke with my secret agent...er....friend.

>She said, " Jeanne, you didn't know he is the biggest Atkins supporter in

>the practice? " AH HA. It becomes clear. She went on to tell me that the

>hospital, with whom the practice (resident training program), has it's own

>weight loss program that is just Atkins with their name on it. BLEAH yuk

>ptooie. NOoooooooooo thanks. She gave me the name of another local doctor

>who is veg friendly, and IS a vegetarian, so I am going to get a consult

>with him.

>

>If he can get me off all the blankety blank blank pills the other docs

>have me on, I'll be happy. If he can care properly (IMO) for the husband

>person, I'll be ecstatic!!!

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July 19, 2006

It's just awful, when Mom was in the hospital I had to make all 3 of her meals

because the dietician thought chicken noodle soup was vegetarian, she also

didn't see why she wouldn't enjoy a turkey sandwich, Grrrrrrrrr

I spent 1/2 hour on the phone with this woman ansd gave up, so I decided I

would make sure I took care of her food for her. Her doctor at the time was

bragging about dropping 20 lbs on the Atkins diet.

Donna

Diamond Dog <diamonddog wrote:

Geez, aren't they aware how many health organizations have condemned

the