Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Paul: Thanks for your reply. Sorry for the delay in responding the garden is growing vigorously... 'Juicing is an refining process' this is an important point and many people miss as you seem to have. One medical study showed that just 100 grams or 4 ounces of refined sugar (the researcher's choice of words not mine) in a 24 hour period suppressed the immune system cells activity. Juicing may be helpful for a short time to overcome poor chewing or digestion but long term juicing is going to increase people's risk of cancer as the immune system cells can kill cancer cells in a healthy body. Juicing also increase people's risk of diabetes as well as heart disease. When the blood sugar gets too high the liver converts sugar to fat and then stores it. Perhaps what you wanted to say is fruit juice is not refined white sugar...or not as refined as white sugar? Dr. Dean Ornish's point is that 'the form' the sugar is in that we ingest and how quickly it gets into our blood stream -- that is important. Dr. Ornish is also saying not probably but fruit juice DOES go quicker into the blood stream then eating whole fruit especially when the pulp is removed (the refining process). Even blending whole fruit is a more complete breakdown of the cell walls of the fruit then chewing whole fruit. Thus speeding the assimilation of the simple sugars (mono and disaccharides). Fiber both soluble and insoluble slows down the assimilation of simple sugars and the digestion of complex carbohydrates. I learned long ago that often it is not: " doing what we know is the wrong thing " that gets us but 'doing the wrong thing thinking it is the right thing for us " that does us in. Hope this helps. Bill > Bill, > > Fruit juice does not contain REFINED (or processed) sugar. It would be > considered simple sugar (no fiber) though and has many of the same negative > effects of refined sugar. My understanding is that the difference between the two > is that simple sugars (such as honey) can still contain nutrients where > refined sugar is just carbohydrate. Probably not that big of a difference in terms > of its effects on the body but worth noting. > > Paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Bill, I'll respectfully disagree and I don't believe it's splitting hairs. >What is Refined Sugar? >The term " refining " means to remove by a purification process, certain coarsenesses or >impurities. Sugar refining is the process of extracting out the sugar (sucrose) from the plant >materials and then removing other unwanted materials from the extracted raw sugar. In juicing, you are removing the liquid, sugar, minerals and vitamins. You don't actually change the structure of the sugar. Regards, Paul Paul: Thanks for your reply. Sorry for the delay in responding the garden is growing vigorously... 'Juicing is an refining process' this is an important point and many people miss as you seem to have. One medical study showed that just 100 grams or 4 ounces of refined sugar (the researcher's choice of words not mine) in a 24 hour period suppressed the immune system cells activity. Juicing may be helpful for a short time to overcome poor chewing or digestion but long term juicing is going to increase people's risk of cancer as the immune system cells can kill cancer cells in a healthy body. Juicing also increase people's risk of diabetes as well as heart disease. When the blood sugar gets too high the liver converts sugar to fat and then stores it. Perhaps what you wanted to say is fruit juice is not refined white sugar...or not as refined as white sugar? Dr. Dean Ornish's point is that 'the form' the sugar is in that we ingest and how quickly it gets into our blood stream -- that is important. Dr. Ornish is also saying not probably but fruit juice DOES go quicker into the blood stream then eating whole fruit especially when the pulp is removed (the refining process). Even blending whole fruit is a more complete breakdown of the cell walls of the fruit then chewing whole fruit. Thus speeding the assimilation of the simple sugars (mono and disaccharides). Fiber both soluble and insoluble slows down the assimilation of simple sugars and the digestion of complex carbohydrates. I learned long ago that often it is not: " doing what we know is the wrong thing " that gets us but 'doing the wrong thing thinking it is the right thing for us " that does us in. Hope this helps. Bill > Bill, > > Fruit juice does not contain REFINED (or processed) sugar. It would be > considered simple sugar (no fiber) though and has many of the same negative > effects of refined sugar. My understanding is that the difference between the two > is that simple sugars (such as honey) can still contain nutrients where > refined sugar is just carbohydrate. Probably not that big of a difference in terms > of its effects on the body but worth noting. > > Paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Paul, I think your original answer was close, as is Bill's. Fruit juice is " refined/processed " , that's what juicing is: a fractionating of the fruit into parts. I think we all agree that juice is not " whole " , as in its missing some of its parts. and since i'ts not " whole " , it's at least one step, probably more, away from optimal, or natural, or as nature intended. And is " juice " assimilated differently by the body? probably...it's missing fiber, it's been prematurely oxidized by the juicing process so some vitamins have been deranged, etc. My friend Bobo the primate is lucky: he doesn't have a juicer. ;=) all the best, Bob rawfood , Paul Ladendorf <paulldndrf> wrote: > Bill, > > I'll respectfully disagree and I don't believe it's splitting hairs. > > >What is Refined Sugar? > >The term " refining " means to remove by a purification process, certain coarsenesses or >impurities. Sugar refining is the process of extracting out the sugar (sucrose) from the plant >materials and then removing other unwanted materials from the extracted raw sugar. > > In juicing, you are removing the liquid, sugar, minerals and vitamins. You don't actually change the structure of the sugar. > > Regards, > Paul > > > Paul: > > Thanks for your reply. > > Sorry for the delay in responding the garden is growing vigorously... > > 'Juicing is an refining process' this is an important point and many people > miss as you seem to have. One medical study showed that just 100 grams or 4 > ounces of refined sugar (the researcher's choice of words not mine) in a 24 hour > period suppressed the immune system cells activity. Juicing may be helpful > for a short time to overcome poor chewing or digestion but long term juicing is > going to increase people's risk of cancer as the immune system cells can kill > cancer cells in a healthy body. Juicing also increase people's risk of > diabetes as well as heart disease. When the blood sugar gets too high the liver > converts sugar to fat and then stores it. > > Perhaps what you wanted to say is fruit juice is not refined white sugar...or > not as refined as white sugar? > > Dr. Dean Ornish's point is that 'the form' the sugar is in that we ingest and > how quickly it gets into our blood stream -- that is important. Dr. Ornish > is also saying not probably but fruit juice DOES go quicker into the blood > stream then eating whole fruit especially when the pulp is removed (the refining > process). Even blending whole fruit is a more complete breakdown of the cell > walls of the fruit then chewing whole fruit. Thus speeding the assimilation of > the simple sugars (mono and disaccharides). Fiber both soluble and insoluble > slows down the assimilation of simple sugars and the digestion of complex > carbohydrates. > > I learned long ago that often it is not: " doing what we know is the wrong > thing " that gets us but 'doing the wrong thing thinking it is the right thing for > us " that does us in. > > Hope this helps. > > Bill > > > Bill, > > > > Fruit juice does not contain REFINED (or processed) sugar. It would be > > considered simple sugar (no fiber) though and has many of the same negative > > effects of refined sugar. My understanding is that the difference between the two > > is that simple sugars (such as honey) can still contain nutrients where > > refined sugar is just carbohydrate. Probably not that big of a difference in terms > > of its effects on the body but worth noting. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Bob, I agree with you. But the question wasn't whether juice is a refined product. The question is whether the sugar in the juice is refined which it is not because the sugar has not been altered.. Regards, Paul Bob Farrell <rjf2 wrote: Paul, I think your original answer was close, as is Bill's. Fruit juice is " refined/processed " , that's what juicing is: a fractionating of the fruit into parts. I think we all agree that juice is not " whole " , as in its missing some of its parts. and since i'ts not " whole " , it's at least one step, probably more, away from optimal, or natural, or as nature intended. And is " juice " assimilated differently by the body? probably...it's missing fiber, it's been prematurely oxidized by the juicing process so some vitamins have been deranged, etc. My friend Bobo the primate is lucky: he doesn't have a juicer. ;=) all the best, Bob rawfood , Paul Ladendorf <paulldndrf> wrote: > Bill, > > I'll respectfully disagree and I don't believe it's splitting hairs. > > >What is Refined Sugar? > >The term " refining " means to remove by a purification process, certain coarsenesses or >impurities. Sugar refining is the process of extracting out the sugar (sucrose) from the plant >materials and then removing other unwanted materials from the extracted raw sugar. > > In juicing, you are removing the liquid, sugar, minerals and vitamins. You don't actually change the structure of the sugar. > > Regards, > Paul > > > Paul: > > Thanks for your reply. > > Sorry for the delay in responding the garden is growing vigorously... > > 'Juicing is an refining process' this is an important point and many people > miss as you seem to have. One medical study showed that just 100 grams or 4 > ounces of refined sugar (the researcher's choice of words not mine) in a 24 hour > period suppressed the immune system cells activity. Juicing may be helpful > for a short time to overcome poor chewing or digestion but long term juicing is > going to increase people's risk of cancer as the immune system cells can kill > cancer cells in a healthy body. Juicing also increase people's risk of > diabetes as well as heart disease. When the blood sugar gets too high the liver > converts sugar to fat and then stores it. > > Perhaps what you wanted to say is fruit juice is not refined white sugar...or > not as refined as white sugar? > > Dr. Dean Ornish's point is that 'the form' the sugar is in that we ingest and > how quickly it gets into our blood stream -- that is important. Dr. Ornish > is also saying not probably but fruit juice DOES go quicker into the blood > stream then eating whole fruit especially when the pulp is removed (the refining > process). Even blending whole fruit is a more complete breakdown of the cell > walls of the fruit then chewing whole fruit. Thus speeding the assimilation of > the simple sugars (mono and disaccharides). Fiber both soluble and insoluble > slows down the assimilation of simple sugars and the digestion of complex > carbohydrates. > > I learned long ago that often it is not: " doing what we know is the wrong > thing " that gets us but 'doing the wrong thing thinking it is the right thing for > us " that does us in. > > Hope this helps. > > Bill > > > Bill, > > > > Fruit juice does not contain REFINED (or processed) sugar. It would be > > considered simple sugar (no fiber) though and has many of the same negative > > effects of refined sugar. My understanding is that the difference between the two > > is that simple sugars (such as honey) can still contain nutrients where > > refined sugar is just carbohydrate. Probably not that big of a difference in terms > > of its effects on the body but worth noting. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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