Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 I think one of the problems is that not everyone here is a natural hygienist or even wants to be. I know I don't! That doesn't mean I won't change my mind at some point, but your posts seem to assume that everyone here is or should be. It is a Raw Vegan list, not a Natural Hygiene list. Also from the home page of this listserv (before it mentions natural Hygeine, which actually seems like an addendum, to me (and NH was not even mentioned on the home page when I joined this list!): " Stop cooking your foods! Increasing the RAW FOOD in your diet can greatly improve your health! Food ENZYMES are important to your health. Let's share info, tips, sources, url's, recipes and personal experiences with eating more RAW FOOD. This group is here to support people wanting to learn how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote other diets. This is a friendly group of people. We welcome debate, but do it without name calling and anger in the posts. Negative posts and posters will be banned. " All I know is that I am eating and feeling much healthier than I was before, and that is good enough for now! BTW, just because you believe salt is poisonous does not make it so. In fact we (as a society) know so little about food and nutrition, scientifically, that it is laughable. I do think that raw/live food is on the right track, however... kristi On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Bob Farrell wrote: > Hi Tev.. > > no rhetorical doctrines of anything. One of the purposes of this > group, taken from the group home page is to: > > " ...You are also welcome to share your experiences with NATURAL > HYGIENE. Animals in the wild live according to their instinct and the > laws of nature. They live their lives without getting cancer, heart > disease, stroke and the other diseases of so-called " civilization. " No > animal in the wild takes supplements. They just eat the foods they are > biologically adapted to. > > Natural Hygiene is a study of nature and of health. So come and share > your experiences of nature in action. We can also discuss the writings > of authors in the raw food movement including Dr. Herbert Shelton, Dr. > Douglas Graham, David Wolfe, Dr. Gabriel Cousens and so on. " > > the comments regarding salt were taken directly from one of the > Natural Hygiene classics. > > yes, sure...anyone is free to make any choices they'd like; they are > not, however, free to choose the consequences - those are automatic. > > and, you can easily make an entire meal out of nuts. I can eat all of > any nut that I want until I'm *full*; that is true. The fact that we > don't doesn't change that we *can*. We still can't do that with salt. > > The only person making any *bombastic* comments is you. and whether > or not Doug Graham (a successful 25 yr.+ raw fooder) said something he > is one of the ones listed on the home page for this list that says it > ok to talk about....) > > Some of the condiments may provide some benefit; and, not according to > the quoted NH classic. I think we have to continue to recognize that > we live in one of the most pathological/diseased societies in the > industralized world. > > and I understand, and respect, your opinion regarding salt - they fact > that you think that a small amount of a poisonous substance is ok, or > that it's an " essential " nutrient is interesting, and I've not found > any Natural Hygiene support for such a position. > > yes, yes, we can't eat rocks - that's what the plants do for us - > change it into a form that we can use. > > and as far as condiments/poisons providing any benefit, I'd suggest > the NH Law of Dual Effect would be appropriate to review here. Is it > providing a " long-term " , positive benefit? or is it an > " excito-toxin? " , stimulating and whipping the body into a short term > frenzy? Natural Hygiene literature supports the latter. > > and I absolutely agree that neither Tim nor anyone else should blindly > follow anyone else's definition of " optimal " ; and I believe the topic > of attempting to define and understand what optimal is, is worthwhile. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 rawfood , Kristi Swanson <kswanson@u...> wrote: > I think one of the problems is that not everyone here is a natural > hygienist or even wants to be. Hi Kristi....thanks! good reminder... I know I don't! That doesn't mean I > won't change my mind at some point, but your posts seem to assume > that everyone here is or should be. ahh..another excellent point: I know that everyone here is not, and I certainly don't intend to portray that I think everyone should be. > > All I know is that I am eating and feeling much healthier than I was > before, and that is good enough for now! Congrats.. > > BTW, just because you believe salt is poisonous does not make it so. ** I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree here: according to Dr. H.M. Shelton on salt: [ " Table salt is an inorganic mineral compount composed of sodium an dchlorine. It has antibiotic and preservative properties. Although not generally thought of as a posion, salt is deadly to all living organisms. A fatal dose of salt is usuall about four ounces taken at one time. *This is only eight times more than the average person eats over a day's time.*' " There is *no* safe level of salt use. " " Salt (sodium chloride) canot by used by the body to meet any of thses mineral requirements. Salt is an *inorganic* mineral that cannot be metabolized by the body. Salt enters the body as sodium chloride, it circulates as sodium chloride, and it leaves the body as sodium chloride. At no point is it broken down into sodium and chlorine and used by the body. " " Sodium chloride is a very strong and stable molecule. It cannot be broken down in the digestive tract or by the liver. The body cannot used the bonded sodium chloride molecule in any way. " ] Bracketed text all direct quotes. Has this and other literature affected my beliefs about salt - absolutely. If a substance is lethal/fatal at a particular quantity, that would appear to make it " poisonous " . > In fact we (as a society) know so little about food and nutrition, > scientifically, that it is laughable. agreed I do think that raw/live food > is on the right track, however... agreed again..thanks for your thoughts, and have a great day. Bob > > kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 By the way, Bob, your I do respect your opinion and you have helped me a great deal with your posts! kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 i don't eat salt, i think it has a very foul taste, make that too sharp a taste, that's not meant for the human. but i don't dabble in any of the other condiments either. if i can't eat it as a meal, why bother with it? i don't think a food is meant to be eaten unless it can be eaten as a meal. so herbs and condiments like tarragon or parsley or paprika or basil or whatever i don't eat, not meant for me to eat as a human. salt has such a sharp taste compared to these and other herbs i mentioned that it may indeed be poisonous, obviously i think someone can eat salt if they think it's right for them without any bad effects but my instincts say it's not food for me. basil doesn't taste good either. rawfood , " Bob Farrell " <rjf2@t...> wrote: > > BTW, just because you believe salt is poisonous does not make it so. > > ** I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree here: according > to Dr. H.M. Shelton on salt: > > [ " Table salt is an inorganic mineral compount composed of sodium an > dchlorine. It has antibiotic and preservative properties. Although not > generally thought of as a posion, salt is deadly to all living > organisms. A fatal dose of salt is usuall about four ounces taken at > one time. *This is only eight times more than the average person eats > over a day's time.*' > > " There is *no* safe level of salt use. " > > > " Salt (sodium chloride) canot by used by the body to meet any of thses > mineral requirements. Salt is an *inorganic* mineral that cannot be > metabolized by the body. Salt enters the body as sodium chloride, it > circulates as sodium chloride, and it leaves the body as sodium > chloride. At no point is it broken down into sodium and chlorine and > used by the body. " > " Sodium chloride is a very strong and stable molecule. It cannot be > broken down in the digestive tract or by the liver. The body cannot > used the bonded sodium chloride molecule in any way. " ] > > Bracketed text all direct quotes. > > Has this and other literature affected my beliefs about salt - > absolutely. If a substance is lethal/fatal at a particular quantity, > that would appear to make it " poisonous " . > > > > > > In fact we (as a society) know so little about food and nutrition, > > scientifically, that it is laughable. > agreed > > I do think that raw/live food > > is on the right track, however... > > agreed again..thanks for your thoughts, and have a great day. > > Bob > > > > kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 On Aug 24, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Froggy wrote: > i don't think a food is meant to be eaten unless it > can be eaten as a meal. so herbs and condiments like tarragon or > parsley or paprika or basil or whatever i don't eat, not meant for me > to eat as a human. and > basil doesn't taste good either. I just don't to this logic, although I understand why some do. On the other hand, I love basil as well as most other green-leaf herbs, and actually could make a meal out of any of them! kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 I just LOVE eating salad made from fresh parsley... makes a whole meal. if not mono-eating it's also great with tomatoes - Froggy rawfood Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:21 PM Re: [Raw Food] Condiments/Natural Hygiene i don't eat salt, i think it has a very foul taste, make that too sharp a taste, that's not meant for the human. but i don't dabble in any of the other condiments either. if i can't eat it as a meal, why bother with it? i don't think a food is meant to be eaten unless it can be eaten as a meal. so herbs and condiments like tarragon or parsley or paprika or basil or whatever i don't eat, not meant for me to eat as a human. salt has such a sharp taste compared to these and other herbs i mentioned that it may indeed be poisonous, obviously i think someone can eat salt if they think it's right for them without any bad effects but my instincts say it's not food for me. basil doesn't taste good either. rawfood , " Bob Farrell " <rjf2@t...> wrote: > > BTW, just because you believe salt is poisonous does not make it so. > > ** I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree here: according > to Dr. H.M. Shelton on salt: > > [ " Table salt is an inorganic mineral compount composed of sodium an > dchlorine. It has antibiotic and preservative properties. Although not > generally thought of as a posion, salt is deadly to all living > organisms. A fatal dose of salt is usuall about four ounces taken at > one time. *This is only eight times more than the average person eats > over a day's time.*' > > " There is *no* safe level of salt use. " > > > " Salt (sodium chloride) canot by used by the body to meet any of thses > mineral requirements. Salt is an *inorganic* mineral that cannot be > metabolized by the body. Salt enters the body as sodium chloride, it > circulates as sodium chloride, and it leaves the body as sodium > chloride. At no point is it broken down into sodium and chlorine and > used by the body. " > " Sodium chloride is a very strong and stable molecule. It cannot be > broken down in the digestive tract or by the liver. The body cannot > used the bonded sodium chloride molecule in any way. " ] > > Bracketed text all direct quotes. > > Has this and other literature affected my beliefs about salt - > absolutely. If a substance is lethal/fatal at a particular quantity, > that would appear to make it " poisonous " . > > > > > > In fact we (as a society) know so little about food and nutrition, > > scientifically, that it is laughable. > agreed > > I do think that raw/live food > > is on the right track, however... > > agreed again..thanks for your thoughts, and have a great day. > > Bob > > > > kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Is Dr. Shelton a Doctor of Nutrition? All minerals are inorganic. Dr. Shelton is wrong. The body does breakdown salt in the same way water dissolves salt. His assertion is ludicrous. Show me the evidence for the claim: " Salt enters the body as sodium chloride, it circulates as sodium chloride, and it leaves the body as sodium chloride. At no point is it broken down into sodium and chlorine and used by the body. " tev Bob Farrell <rjf2 wrote: ** I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree here: according to Dr. H.M. Shelton on salt: [ " Table salt is an inorganic mineral compount composed of sodium an dchlorine. It has antibiotic and preservative properties. Although not generally thought of as a posion, salt is deadly to all living organisms. A fatal dose of salt is usuall about four ounces taken at one time. *This is only eight times more than the average person eats over a day's time.*' " There is *no* safe level of salt use. " " Salt (sodium chloride) canot by used by the body to meet any of thses mineral requirements. Salt is an *inorganic* mineral that cannot be metabolized by the body. Salt enters the body as sodium chloride, it circulates as sodium chloride, and it leaves the body as sodium chloride. At no point is it broken down into sodium and chlorine and used by the body. " " Sodium chloride is a very strong and stable molecule. It cannot be broken down in the digestive tract or by the liver. The body cannot used the bonded sodium chloride molecule in any way. " ] Bracketed text all direct quotes. Has this and other literature affected my beliefs about salt - absolutely. If a substance is lethal/fatal at a particular quantity, that would appear to make it " poisonous " . ____________________ The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/] _____________________ Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Documented research shows that chimpanzees eat over 200 different kinds of leaves (greens). tev Kristi Swanson <kswanson wrote: On Aug 24, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Froggy wrote: > i don't think a food is meant to be eaten unless it > can be eaten as a meal. so herbs and condiments like tarragon or > parsley or paprika or basil or whatever i don't eat, not meant for me > to eat as a human. and > basil doesn't taste good either. I just don't to this logic, although I understand why some do. On the other hand, I love basil as well as most other green-leaf herbs, and actually could make a meal out of any of them! kristi ____________________ The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/] _____________________ Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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