Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really like to buy organic but we just can't. What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of fruit/vegetables offered? Nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 oh no i never considered that, is organic really necessary if you want to go raw? im lviving at home at the moment and organic food is just not an option as i heard its way more expensive than normal groceries. when i go to uni i hope i can stay raw with a student budget, if the benefits of going raw on organic weigh out the benefits of no organic, then i dont know if theres any point in me going raw i've heard of aldi's. They dont really have a big selection of groceries, would a local green grocers be cheaper than a mainstream store? angelgirl50266 <nicolemariekline wrote: I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really like to buy organic but we just can't. What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of fruit/vegetables offered? Nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Your local farmer's markets are a good choice for finding organics at lower cost. I try to buy organic when it comes to things with thick skins (citrus fruits, avocados, bananas, peppers), and/or dark leaves. I don't always buy organic because it isn't always available in my area, and also because of cost. When money is low, I buy what I can, where I can. One note on peppers - bell peppers to be exact - I was told by my Chiro-Vedic doc to stay away from green ones as they are the most difficult to digest, and go with red, yellow, or orange...I've also read that the green ones have the highest concentrations of pesticides if you're buying non-organic as they are immature and have had less growing time to push it out. The problem with non-organic is that you're allowing toxins into your life - pesticides, chemical fertilizers, etc...so minimize that as much as possible. One of the things I've found with going raw is that I don't eat as much - I am satisfied and thriving on less, which offsets much of the cost of the organics. Also, I notice a much bigger impact when I stray from being raw. I'm currently recovering from an evening of cooked, greasy veggie fare at Chili's from two nights ago...and seriously considering a juice fast as we speak!! One more thing - organics taste better;) Debra Lee Thompson First Horizon Home Loan Corp Audit Analyst 214.441.5416 debrathompson rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of whatever whenever Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:01 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] organic or non organic oh no i never considered that, is organic really necessary if you want to go raw? im lviving at home at the moment and organic food is just not an option as i heard its way more expensive than normal groceries. when i go to uni i hope i can stay raw with a student budget, if the benefits of going raw on organic weigh out the benefits of no organic, then i dont know if theres any point in me going raw i've heard of aldi's. They dont really have a big selection of groceries, would a local green grocers be cheaper than a mainstream store? angelgirl50266 <nicolemariekline wrote: I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really like to buy organic but we just can't. What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of fruit/vegetables offered? Nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 yes your right, how much would you average your weekly spending on organics in comparison to non organic, so if i do not buy organic foods, the raw diet is a waste because its technically not elimating the toxins? will the green juice diet have to be on organic produce or can i atleast have that on normal non organic groceries? im so confused, its like saying 'go on this incredible ife changing diet but remember it will leave you broke if you stick to the proper organic route' lol regards " Thompson, Debra " <Debrathompson wrote: Your local farmer's markets are a good choice for finding organics at lower cost. I try to buy organic when it comes to things with thick skins (citrus fruits, avocados, bananas, peppers), and/or dark leaves. I don't always buy organic because it isn't always available in my area, and also because of cost. When money is low, I buy what I can, where I can. One note on peppers - bell peppers to be exact - I was told by my Chiro-Vedic doc to stay away from green ones as they are the most difficult to digest, and go with red, yellow, or orange...I've also read that the green ones have the highest concentrations of pesticides if you're buying non-organic as they are immature and have had less growing time to push it out. The problem with non-organic is that you're allowing toxins into your life - pesticides, chemical fertilizers, etc...so minimize that as much as possible. One of the things I've found with going raw is that I don't eat as much - I am satisfied and thriving on less, which offsets much of the cost of the organics. Also, I notice a much bigger impact when I stray from being raw. I'm currently recovering from an evening of cooked, greasy veggie fare at Chili's from two nights ago...and seriously considering a juice fast as we speak!! One more thing - organics taste better;) Debra Lee Thompson First Horizon Home Loan Corp Audit Analyst 214.441.5416 debrathompson rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of whatever whenever Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:01 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] organic or non organic oh no i never considered that, is organic really necessary if you want to go raw? im lviving at home at the moment and organic food is just not an option as i heard its way more expensive than normal groceries. when i go to uni i hope i can stay raw with a student budget, if the benefits of going raw on organic weigh out the benefits of no organic, then i dont know if theres any point in me going raw i've heard of aldi's. They dont really have a big selection of groceries, would a local green grocers be cheaper than a mainstream store? angelgirl50266 <nicolemariekline wrote: I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really like to buy organic but we just can't. What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of fruit/vegetables offered? Nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hi Nicole, I think what your doing is the best way to go if your on a budget. We are a family of 8 and my husband is also in school so we shop at aldi's. I peel and soak eveything I get from them. We also buy organic however, only for certain foods. angelgirl50266 <nicolemariekline wrote: I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really like to buy organic but we just can't. What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of fruit/vegetables offered? Nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Dedra, What are going raw with as much organic that you can afford. The other items don't have to be certified organic to be raised with out chemicals. All you have to do is speak with the produce manager at a few of your local stores to find out what they order that in not certified but does not have chemical spray. Some local farmers have non certified organic produce and they offer weekly programs where you can buy a bag of fresh produce once per week at a really good rate! whatever whenever <whateverwhenever007 wrote: yes your right, how much would you average your weekly spending on organics in comparison to non organic, so if i do not buy organic foods, the raw diet is a waste because its technically not elimating the toxins? will the green juice diet have to be on organic produce or can i atleast have that on normal non organic groceries? im so confused, its like saying 'go on this incredible ife changing diet but remember it will leave you broke if you stick to the proper organic route' lol regards " Thompson, Debra " wrote: Your local farmer's markets are a good choice for finding organics at lower cost. I try to buy organic when it comes to things with thick skins (citrus fruits, avocados, bananas, peppers), and/or dark leaves. I don't always buy organic because it isn't always available in my area, and also because of cost. When money is low, I buy what I can, where I can. One note on peppers - bell peppers to be exact - I was told by my Chiro-Vedic doc to stay away from green ones as they are the most difficult to digest, and go with red, yellow, or orange...I've also read that the green ones have the highest concentrations of pesticides if you're buying non-organic as they are immature and have had less growing time to push it out. The problem with non-organic is that you're allowing toxins into your life - pesticides, chemical fertilizers, etc...so minimize that as much as possible. One of the things I've found with going raw is that I don't eat as much - I am satisfied and thriving on less, which offsets much of the cost of the organics. Also, I notice a much bigger impact when I stray from being raw. I'm currently recovering from an evening of cooked, greasy veggie fare at Chili's from two nights ago...and seriously considering a juice fast as we speak!! One more thing - organics taste better;) Debra Lee Thompson First Horizon Home Loan Corp Audit Analyst 214.441.5416 debrathompson rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of whatever whenever Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:01 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] organic or non organic oh no i never considered that, is organic really necessary if you want to go raw? im lviving at home at the moment and organic food is just not an option as i heard its way more expensive than normal groceries. when i go to uni i hope i can stay raw with a student budget, if the benefits of going raw on organic weigh out the benefits of no organic, then i dont know if theres any point in me going raw i've heard of aldi's. They dont really have a big selection of groceries, would a local green grocers be cheaper than a mainstream store? angelgirl50266 wrote: I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really like to buy organic but we just can't. What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of fruit/vegetables offered? Nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Cool:-) That's good to know:-) Thanks! Debra Lee Thompson First Horizon Home Loan Corp Audit Analyst 214.441.5416 debrathompson rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Kimse Fard Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:12 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] organic or non organic Dedra, What are going raw with as much organic that you can afford. The other items don't have to be certified organic to be raised with out chemicals. All you have to do is speak with the produce manager at a few of your local stores to find out what they order that in not certified but does not have chemical spray. Some local farmers have non certified organic produce and they offer weekly programs where you can buy a bag of fresh produce once per week at a really good rate! whatever whenever <whateverwhenever007 wrote: yes your right, how much would you average your weekly spending on organics in comparison to non organic, so if i do not buy organic foods, the raw diet is a waste because its technically not elimating the toxins? will the green juice diet have to be on organic produce or can i atleast have that on normal non organic groceries? im so confused, its like saying 'go on this incredible ife changing diet but remember it will leave you broke if you stick to the proper organic route' lol regards " Thompson, Debra " wrote: Your local farmer's markets are a good choice for finding organics at lower cost. I try to buy organic when it comes to things with thick skins (citrus fruits, avocados, bananas, peppers), and/or dark leaves. I don't always buy organic because it isn't always available in my area, and also because of cost. When money is low, I buy what I can, where I can. One note on peppers - bell peppers to be exact - I was told by my Chiro-Vedic doc to stay away from green ones as they are the most difficult to digest, and go with red, yellow, or orange...I've also read that the green ones have the highest concentrations of pesticides if you're buying non-organic as they are immature and have had less growing time to push it out. The problem with non-organic is that you're allowing toxins into your life - pesticides, chemical fertilizers, etc...so minimize that as much as possible. One of the things I've found with going raw is that I don't eat as much - I am satisfied and thriving on less, which offsets much of the cost of the organics. Also, I notice a much bigger impact when I stray from being raw. I'm currently recovering from an evening of cooked, greasy veggie fare at Chili's from two nights ago...and seriously considering a juice fast as we speak!! One more thing - organics taste better;) Debra Lee Thompson First Horizon Home Loan Corp Audit Analyst 214.441.5416 debrathompson rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of whatever whenever Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:01 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] organic or non organic oh no i never considered that, is organic really necessary if you want to go raw? im lviving at home at the moment and organic food is just not an option as i heard its way more expensive than normal groceries. when i go to uni i hope i can stay raw with a student budget, if the benefits of going raw on organic weigh out the benefits of no organic, then i dont know if theres any point in me going raw i've heard of aldi's. They dont really have a big selection of groceries, would a local green grocers be cheaper than a mainstream store? angelgirl50266 wrote: I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really like to buy organic but we just can't. What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of fruit/vegetables offered? Nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Remember that animal products have up to 14 times the ammount of pesticides as produce does so you're already doing much better to eat raw vegan even if you can't eat organic, and with time, perhaps you'll be able to re-arrange your budget or you'll make more money and then you can afford organic. Baby steps!!! Denise rawfood , " angelgirl50266 " <nicolemariekline@h...> wrote: > > > > I know organic is the way to go for the best nutrients around. What > if you are on a budget or have a growing family? A friend of mine > told me a little story....She has a family of 7, 6 of who are > vegetarians. For breakfast they all juice, there is fresh cut fruit > and a big bowl of fruit out all day that they can all get into > whenever they please. At lunch they typically have a big salad with > some beans. For snacks they often eat salsa or hummus with veggies. > Dinner varies. Anyway, she had a friend with a large family who drove > 1 1/2 hours twice a month to stock up on organic fruit and veggies. > They had to limit the amount of produce they ate, there was no fruit > bowls or much offered through the day, just at meals. Her friend > thought it was wonderful that she could put out bowls of fruit to > encourage healthy eating but wondered how she could afford to do > that...My friend told her simply that they didn't buy organic. > > We are on a small grocery budget until my husband is finished with > school and gets a good job in June. There is no money that can be > shifted around for groceries. What I spend on groceries for a family > of 5, you might spend a week for a family of 2 or 3. We shop at a > store called Aldi's, they have the least expensive produce around, > their vegetables are really great, their fruit is ok. I would really > like to buy organic but we just can't. > > What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic > but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of > fruit/vegetables offered? > > Nicole > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 " Remember that animal products have up to 14 times the ammount of pesticides as produce does... " Any chance you have a source for this statement, Denise? I don't doubt it, but I'm trying to convince my sister to change. Thanks Bill - denisedthomas rawfood Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:23 PM [Raw Food] Re: organic or non organic Remember that animal products have up to 14 times the ammount of pesticides as produce does so you're already doing much better to eat raw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 >yes your right, how much would you average your weekly spending on organics in comparison to non organic, so if i do not buy organic foods, the raw diet is a waste because its technically not elimating the toxins? Don't worry. It won't be a waste, just less good than it could be, that's all. It's still better than the way you are eating now. Just try to find the best produce you can afford to buy. Stop making excuses and get on with it! (:-) Bob Avery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 rawfood , " angelgirl50266 " <nicolemariekline@h...> wrote: > > What do you think? If you are on a budget is it better to go organic > but limit consumption or to go non-organic and have plenty of > fruit/vegetables offered? If it were just you, maybe you could experiment with limited consumption, but with growing kids, a family, etc., I think the better option is to have as much fresh fruit and vegetables around as possible, organic or not. I second the others' suggestions that you seek out local farmers' markets or community supported agriculture in your area (use, for example, the search tool at http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/csa/ or do a Google search for " community supported agriculture " ). You can save a ton of money at farmer's markets, and many small farmers use minimal pesticides and might even qualify as " organic " but haven't undertaken the expense of getting third-party certification (but, then again, some small farmers may in fact use pesticides extensively -- ask a lot of questions). Keep in mind, too, that the difference in price for at least *some* vegetables and fruits is not that great. Compare, for example, the prices of bags of organic carrots vs. non-organic, or organic rolled oats vs. non-organic. The difference, I have found, is mere pennies, and it seems well worth buying organic, for at least these such items. For other items -- bananas, for instance -- the price difference is usually greater, and you may be more inclined to buy conventionally grown (you peel the outer skin, anyway, so pesticide contamination would presumably be less of a problem for *you* [though still a problem for the environment]). It is certainly fair to weigh cost as a factor, but do keep a watchful eye and buy organic when the price difference is nominal, or when there is a good sale on, say, organic bananas or whatever. If there is a Trader Joe's in your area, they are often a good source of relatively inexpensive organic produce. If there is a Whole Foods, Wild Oats, Wegman's, Sunflower Market or similar retailer in your area, take advantage of their private-label products, too. The prices are really good, and the quality is usually top-notch. (In the interest of full disclosure, I work for Whole Foods -- still, farmer's markets and CSAs rule and I encourage people -- especially people on a budget -- to seek them out and support them.) Audie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I was wondering, if you get into high raw, but then eat non-organic fruits and veggies, will you be more sensitive to the pesticides harming you? Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I read it somewhere in one of the books I bought when I first went raw and it just stuck with me. I tried to google it, but couldn't find much, but I didn't try very hard. If I had to guess, I would say maybe in Shazzie's book " Detox You World " maybe? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Maybe some Vegetarian Magazine online or something like that would have an article. Good luck! D- rawfood , " bill asenjo " <basenjo@a...> wrote: > > " Remember that animal products have up to 14 times the ammount of > pesticides as produce does... " > > Any chance you have a source for this statement, Denise? I don't doubt it, but I'm trying to convince my sister to change. > > Thanks > > Bill > > > - > denisedthomas > rawfood > Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:23 PM > [Raw Food] Re: organic or non organic > > > Remember that animal products have up to 14 times the ammount of > pesticides as produce does so you're already doing much better to eat raw > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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