Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hi, Robert, As you know, I'm in the minority here with my belief in Doug Graham's 811rv. Without really saying so, he follows the Eden diet. Genesis 1: 29 says, " And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. " Genesis 2:16 says, " Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: " The trees of the garden would have been fruit trees. I don't know of any vegetables that grow on trees. Paul Nison is a committed Christian with a strong belief in the Bible but his teachings don't square with this. I'm not trying to get into a religious debate, but how does little to no fruit square with what we were given to eat by the Creator? I know the raw food diet is an evolution. Many people start out in one camp and evolve and join another. I'm just trying to learn the " why's " and " wherefore's " . Thanks, Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , <rbwest01 wrote: > > Hi Jennifer > This is of course my philosofy but you are reading the right books. I have met Robert and his wife Shelley and had some neat one on one discussions with the both of them. I strongly believe in his position as far as your PH level is concerned. You also are reading Gabriel's latest book which is really a " coming on board " as to what Robert believes. Two weeks ago I met and talked to Paul Nison and he to has changed his approach and is now fully in line with the same thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 -Tommie, I believe that the " herb bearing seed " is considered to be refering to vegetables. I know I believe that. I have George Malkmus's books and this is how he recomends eating as well. Belinda > Hi, Robert, > As you know, I'm in the minority here with my belief in Doug Graham's > 811rv. Without really saying so, he follows the Eden diet. Genesis 1: > 29 says, " And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing > seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the > which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for > meat. " Genesis 2:16 says, " Of every tree of the garden thou mayest > freely eat: " The trees of the garden would have been fruit trees. I > don't know of any vegetables that grow on trees. Paul Nison is a > committed Christian with a strong belief in the Bible but his > teachings don't square with this. I'm not trying to get into a > religious debate, but how does little to no fruit square with what we > were given to eat by the Creator? I know the raw food diet is an > evolution. Many people start out in one camp and evolve and join > another. I'm just trying to learn the " why's " and " wherefore's " . > Thanks, > Tommie > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hi Tommy Let me first state that we all need to do what we feel we need to do. Also, our bodies are not the same. We tolerate different foods, we don't have the same willpower, some of us are more toxcit, then we have different taste buds, some love fruit (don't we all) and some love veggies. And on and on it goes. So I am not trying to " argue " but learn from everybody, also I don't mind religion discussions at all. As you know you can take any (almost) topic and take opposite positions and each can defend it's position based on the bible. So if I may state my believes and opinions: What is to say that the fruits in the beginning of the world (paradise) were the same nutritionally are they are today? Do we have the same fruits as they have today? Meaning may be some are no longer here. Were their bodies the same as ours in terms of nutritional needs? Somebody that is running naked (I like that ha ha) in the garden and cannot die has no nutritional needs and only eats because of taste. I wonder if they could gain weight. Even after the fall, The scriptures tell us that they lived close to 800-1000 years. Well if those years were identical to ours, then their bodies must have been different that ours. Yes, they had no man made pesticides etc. Everything was organic, no GMO, WOW the more I type here the more I like there situation. What, I am getting at is that it is very difficult to really compare 6000 years back to today. am not saying that the bible is irrelevant but you need to look at all the circumstances. When the israelites were backpacking for 40 years through the dessert, I doubt that they were fruitarians, God did not drop bananas, kiwis and apples fall out of the heavens nor cauliflowers nor zucchinies. It was manna, which most scholars interprete as cereal. (Kelloghs was right after all, ha ha) But, consider the blistering heat in the daytime, food would spoil very fast. So manna was probably loaded with 100% perfect nutrition. Also they were moving , not having time for agriculture. So, I admire Paul's objectives, admire his believes, and his integrity. He is honest and teachable as we know how he made a 180 degree turn. But, I do not necessarily accept everything, But I do not accept that from anybody. It was not too long ago when the earth was flat and now it is kind of round. I am saying, who knows what we are going to discover tomorrow? At the moment the dark field blood study results show us some very dramatic evidence of what is going on in our bodies. At this moment, we do not really have much counter arguments against it. Oh boy my Email session is about to expire. Hurray. You need to study it out That is the bottom line here is some knowledge look at it and decide what you will do with it. Love Robert W > > " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN > 2006/03/04 Sat AM 08:28:21 EST > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Thanks, Robert, I feel some acceptance here now. As for how things were in the Garden- -wouldn't it be wonderful to see the fruit and veggies they had? It's amazing to even think about sitting down to a Garden of Eden mango. As for the life span--have you noticed that it was after the Flood that it was cut to a fraction of what it was before, and that was when God gave permission to eat flesh food? People developed a taste for it and most of them never looked back. As for the Children of Israel wandering in the wilderness, their diet didn't keep them alive long. The only ones that survived the whole 40 years were Caleb and Joshua. Maybe they ate some of the grapes from the Land of Canaan. I don't understand that your session was about to expire. Are you on a timed system? Better go eat! Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , <rbwest01 wrote: > > Hi Tommy > Let me first state that we all need to do what we feel we need to do. Also, our bodies are not the same. We tolerate different foods, we don't have the same willpower, some of us are more toxcit, then we have different taste buds, some love fruit (don't we all) and some love veggies. And on and on it goes. > > So I am not trying to " argue " but learn from everybody, also I don't mind religion discussions at all. As you know you can take any (almost) topic and take opposite positions and each can defend it's position based on the bible. So if I may state my believes and opinions: What is to say that the fruits in the beginning of the world (paradise) were the same nutritionally are they are today? Do we have the same fruits as they have today? Meaning may be some are no longer here. Were their bodies the same as ours in terms of nutritional needs? Somebody that is running naked (I like that ha ha) in the garden and cannot die has no nutritional needs and only eats because of taste. I wonder if they could gain weight. Even after the fall, The scriptures tell us that they lived close to 800-1000 years. Well if those years were identical to ours, then their bodies must have been different that ours. Yes, they had no man made pesticides etc. Everything was organic, no GMO, WOW the more I type here the more I like there situation. What, I am getting at is that it is very difficult to really compare 6000 years back to today. am not saying that the bible is irrelevant but you need to look at all the circumstances. When the israelites were backpacking for 40 years through the dessert, I doubt that they were fruitarians, God did not drop bananas, kiwis and apples fall out of the heavens nor cauliflowers nor zucchinies. It was manna, which most scholars interprete as cereal. (Kelloghs was right after all, ha ha) But, consider the blistering heat in the daytime, food would spoil very fast. So manna was probably loaded with 100% perfect nutrition. Also they were moving , not having time for agriculture. So, I admire Paul's objectives, admire his believes, and his integrity. He is honest and teachable as we know how he made a 180 degree turn. But, I do not necessarily accept everything, But I do not accept that from anybody. It was not too long ago when the earth was flat and now it is kind of round. I am saying, who knows what we are going to discover tomorrow? > At the moment the dark field blood study results show us some very dramatic evidence of what is going on in our bodies. At this moment, we do not really have much counter arguments against it. > > Oh boy my Email session is about to expire. Hurray. You need to study it out That is the bottom line here is some knowledge look at it and decide what you will do with it. > Love > > Robert W > > > > " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN > > 2006/03/04 Sat AM 08:28:21 EST > > rawfood > > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hi Belinda, I agree. The herb bearing seed is veggies. I'm not a fruitarian. I eat veggies every day. As a matter of fact, I eat a couple of veggie meals. I didn't mean that we should only eat fruit. Genesis says that we can freely eat of the fruit of the trees. I know that they are different now and probably not as nutritious as they once were but I don't think we should be sparing with them. Maybe we should eat even more to get the same vitamins and minerals? Take care, Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > -Tommie, > > I believe that the " herb bearing seed " is considered to be refering > to vegetables. I know I believe that. I have George Malkmus's books > and this is how he recomends eating as well. > > Belinda > > > > > Hi, Robert, > > As you know, I'm in the minority here with my belief in Doug > Graham's > > 811rv. Without really saying so, he follows the Eden diet. Genesis > 1: > > 29 says, " And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing > > seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in > the > > which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for > > meat. " Genesis 2:16 says, " Of every tree of the garden thou mayest > > freely eat: " The trees of the garden would have been fruit trees. I > > don't know of any vegetables that grow on trees. Paul Nison is a > > committed Christian with a strong belief in the Bible but his > > teachings don't square with this. I'm not trying to get into a > > religious debate, but how does little to no fruit square with what > we > > were given to eat by the Creator? I know the raw food diet is an > > evolution. Many people start out in one camp and evolve and join > > another. I'm just trying to learn the " why's " and " wherefore's " . > > Thanks, > > Tommie > > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 This dumb cox cable times you out after 30 minutes. I have 5 meg highspeed. But does not let you longer tan 30 minutes apparently on. It warns you and then you lose your message. Regarding the 40 years, it is my understanding that all those that refused to enter the promised land initially, never entered. So they cruised through the dessert until that whole generation was gone. I might be wrong here. But yes, they must have had perrrfect fruit and veggies in those days. Robert W > > jerushy1944 <no_reply > > 2006/03/04 Sat PM 04:35:19 EST > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 If I were you, I'd call the company and find out why. Isn't cable supposed to be " always on " ? I'm on dialup and it times out after five hours. If I could have something faster, I would but I live where faster doesn't exist except for satellite and that's EXPEN-SIVE! Yes, you're right. All but Caleb and Joshua said NO, huh-uh! And they died. Gotta get ready for work so I can pay the bills! Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , <rbwest01 wrote: > > This dumb cox cable times you out after 30 minutes. I have 5 meg highspeed. But does not let you longer tan 30 minutes apparently on. It warns you and then you lose your message. Regarding the 40 years, it is my understanding that all those that refused to enter the promised land initially, never entered. So they cruised through the dessert until that whole generation was gone. I might be wrong here. But yes, they must have had perrrfect fruit and veggies in those days. > > Robert W > > > > jerushy1944 <no_reply > > > 2006/03/04 Sat PM 04:35:19 EST > > rawfood > > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 hmmm I have cox...I have the highest speed available and they never time me out....I log in to play a game once in a while then the phone rings, or the door chimes and I forget I am playing and come back even hours later and its still how I left it!.. Hmmmmm...perplexing! rbwest01 wrote: This dumb cox cable times you out after 30 minutes. I have 5 meg highspeed. But does not let you longer tan 30 minutes apparently on. It warns you and then you lose your message. Regarding the 40 years, it is my understanding that all those that refused to enter the promised land initially, never entered. So they cruised through the dessert until that whole generation was gone. I might be wrong here. But yes, they must have had perrrfect fruit and veggies in those days. Robert W > > jerushy1944 <no_reply > > 2006/03/04 Sat PM 04:35:19 EST > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I also have Cox cable, and I love it! The 30 minute time-out is if you are composing a message directly on the webmail site. That's the only time limit I am aware of with Cox. Carolyn _____ Sherry hmmm I have cox...I have the highest speed available and they never time me out....I log in to play a game once in a while then the phone rings, or the door chimes and I forget I am playing and come back even hours later and its still how I left it!.. Hmmmmm...perplexing! rbwest01 wrote: This dumb cox cable times you out after 30 minutes. I have 5 meg highspeed. But does not let you longer tan 30 minutes apparently on. [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I sorta have to agree some with Robert. And just for the record, I am 100 percent Christian and I believe every single thing in the Bible (OT and NT) as true.(even though I don't understand all of it) Now with that said, Adam and Eve lived in Paradise and in a way none of us could fathom or possibly live in, in this life. All their needs were met and they had all the comforts with out having to work for it or stress out about it. What they were given to eat in that Garden changed after they were thrown out. Since all of us live in a state of non-Paradise type living,(we have to work now and we are not destined to live forever, in this life, as Adam and Eve were before they sinned) I would think we should look a bit further into the Old Testament to see what would be beneficial and healthy for us to survive on. (that is if someone wants to look at the Bible for a healthy diet) If fruit bearing seeds and herb bearing seeds were all that were needed to survive healthy, then I think the Lord would not have told them they could and would eat other things. Immediately after they were cast out of the Garden, the Lord told Adam that he would eat the herb of the field and by the sweat of his face he would eat bread.(so I guess they learned to cook) Gen 3:18 & 19. And then after the flood, He told Noah that they could eat animals as well. Later on it was clarified to the Jews which animals were safe or " clean " to eat. Also, I wonder. Adam and Eve were told that they were given herbs that yields seed and trees whose fruit yeilded seed. So does that mean that if one were to eat as Adam and Eve that one could not eat seedless varieties of fruits and veggies? That no fruit that did not grow on trees could be eaten? The way I see it, if one wants to look to the Bible to find a healthy way of eating and healthy living, I believe the laws that were given to the Jews about eating would be about as close as you can get. As well as the laws pertaining to hygiene, cleanliness, etc. But that is just my thought on it. I sure am no authority on this by any means.) Belinda rawfood , <rbwest01 wrote: > > Hi Tommy > Let me first state that we all need to do what we feel we need to do. Also, our bodies are not the same. We tolerate different foods, we don't have the same willpower, some of us are more toxcit, then we have different taste buds, some love fruit (don't we all) and some love veggies. And on and on it goes. > > So I am not trying to " argue " but learn from everybody, also I don't mind religion discussions at all. As you know you can take any (almost) topic and take opposite positions and each can defend it's position based on the bible. So if I may state my believes and opinions: What is to say that the fruits in the beginning of the world (paradise) were the same nutritionally are they are today? Do we have the same fruits as they have today? Meaning may be some are no longer here. Were their bodies the same as ours in terms of nutritional needs? Somebody that is running naked (I like that ha ha) in the garden and cannot die has no nutritional needs and only eats because of taste. I wonder if they could gain weight. Even after the fall, The scriptures tell us that they lived close to 800- 1000 years. Well if those years were identical to ours, then their bodies must have been different that ours. Yes, they had no man made pesticides etc. Everything was organic, no GMO, WOW the more I type here the more I like there situation. What, I am getting at is that it is very difficult to really compare 6000 years back to today. am not saying that the bible is irrelevant but you need to look at all the circumstances. When the israelites were backpacking for 40 years through the dessert, I doubt that they were fruitarians, God did not drop bananas, kiwis and apples fall out of the heavens nor cauliflowers nor zucchinies. It was manna, which most scholars interprete as cereal. (Kelloghs was right after all, ha ha) But, consider the blistering heat in the daytime, food would spoil very fast. So manna was probably loaded with 100% perfect nutrition. Also they were moving , not having time for agriculture. So, I admire Paul's objectives, admire his believes, and his integrity. He is honest and teachable as we know how he made a 180 degree turn. But, I do not necessarily accept everything, But I do not accept that from anybody. It was not too long ago when the earth was flat and now it is kind of round. I am saying, who knows what we are going to discover tomorrow? > At the moment the dark field blood study results show us some very dramatic evidence of what is going on in our bodies. At this moment, we do not really have much counter arguments against it. > > Oh boy my Email session is about to expire. Hurray. You need to study it out That is the bottom line here is some knowledge look at it and decide what you will do with it. > Love > > Robert W > > > > " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN > > 2006/03/04 Sat AM 08:28:21 EST > > rawfood > > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I agree Tommie about the fruit. I think it is just as important as the veggies. After giving more thought to the Genises, Garden of Eden way of eating though. I wonder if we would be eating seedless fruits and veggies and fruit that did not grow on trees. Belinda rawfood , jerushy1944 <no_reply wrote: > > Hi Belinda, > I agree. The herb bearing seed is veggies. I'm not a fruitarian. I eat > veggies every day. As a matter of fact, I eat a couple of veggie > meals. I didn't mean that we should only eat fruit. Genesis says that > we can freely eat of the fruit of the trees. I know that they are > different now and probably not as nutritious as they once were but I > don't think we should be sparing with them. Maybe we should eat even > more to get the same vitamins and minerals? > Take care, > Tommie > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN@> wrote: > > > > -Tommie, > > > > I believe that the " herb bearing seed " is considered to be refering > > to vegetables. I know I believe that. I have George Malkmus's > books > > and this is how he recomends eating as well. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > Hi, Robert, > > > As you know, I'm in the minority here with my belief in Doug > > Graham's > > > 811rv. Without really saying so, he follows the Eden diet. Genesis > > 1: > > > 29 says, " And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb > bearing > > > seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in > > the > > > which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for > > > meat. " Genesis 2:16 says, " Of every tree of the garden thou mayest > > > freely eat: " The trees of the garden would have been fruit trees. > I > > > don't know of any vegetables that grow on trees. Paul Nison is a > > > committed Christian with a strong belief in the Bible but his > > > teachings don't square with this. I'm not trying to get into a > > > religious debate, but how does little to no fruit square with what > > we > > > were given to eat by the Creator? I know the raw food diet is an > > > evolution. Many people start out in one camp and evolve and join > > > another. I'm just trying to learn the " why's " and " wherefore's " . > > > Thanks, > > > Tommie > > > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Belinda, What do you eat that doesn't have seeds? I don't know of anything I eat that doesn't. Even lettuce has the ability to produce seeds. The fruits and veggies that are advertised as " seedless " have seeds. Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > I agree Tommie about the fruit. > I think it is just as important as the veggies. > After giving more thought to the Genises, Garden of Eden way of > eating though. I wonder if we would be eating seedless fruits and > veggies and fruit that did not grow on trees. > > Belinda > > > rawfood , jerushy1944 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hi Belinda, > > I agree. The herb bearing seed is veggies. I'm not a fruitarian. I > eat > > veggies every day. As a matter of fact, I eat a couple of veggie > > meals. I didn't mean that we should only eat fruit. Genesis says > that > > we can freely eat of the fruit of the trees. I know that they are > > different now and probably not as nutritious as they once were but > I > > don't think we should be sparing with them. Maybe we should eat > even > > more to get the same vitamins and minerals? > > Take care, > > Tommie > > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Well, I was thinking first of seedless fruit. I eat tons of seedless grapes. As well as navel oranges, clementines(seedless variety of tangerine) Where are their seeds if not inside the fruit? I guess I was also thinking about potatoes? Do they grow seeds? It has been a long time and I am trying to remember if the plants will seed out if you leave them. We planted potatoe eyes to get more potatoes. Belinda rawfood , jerushy1944 <no_reply wrote: > > Belinda, > What do you eat that doesn't have seeds? I don't know of anything I > eat that doesn't. Even lettuce has the ability to produce seeds. The > fruits and veggies that are advertised as " seedless " have seeds. > Tommie > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN@> wrote: > > > > I agree Tommie about the fruit. > > I think it is just as important as the veggies. > > After giving more thought to the Genises, Garden of Eden way of > > eating though. I wonder if we would be eating seedless fruits and > > veggies and fruit that did not grow on trees. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > rawfood , jerushy1944 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Belinda, > > > I agree. The herb bearing seed is veggies. I'm not a fruitarian. > I > > eat > > > veggies every day. As a matter of fact, I eat a couple of veggie > > > meals. I didn't mean that we should only eat fruit. Genesis says > > that > > > we can freely eat of the fruit of the trees. I know that they are > > > different now and probably not as nutritious as they once were > but > > I > > > don't think we should be sparing with them. Maybe we should eat > > even > > > more to get the same vitamins and minerals? > > > Take care, > > > Tommie > > > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 > WHAT about pineapples, avocado, mango etc robert w > jerushy1944 <no_reply > > 2006/03/06 Mon PM 03:57:29 EST > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 True, seedless grapes don't have seeds. Hadn't thought of that. I have organic navel oranges and they have tiny seeds. I've gotten some Clementines that have lots of seeds. It might be the variety. There's more than one of Clementines (aka mandarin oranges). Potato plants will bloom so I would think they could have seeds. The foliage is poisonous so you wouldn't want to eat that. Potatoes aren't good to eat raw (though they are tasty) because they are so starchy. I think that we would have more to fear from GMO foods than from ones that have been developed not to have seeds. However, if you feel you shouldn't eat seedless fruits and veggies, I'd say don't. Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > Well, I was thinking first of seedless fruit. I eat tons of > seedless grapes. As well as navel oranges, clementines(seedless > variety of tangerine) Where are their seeds if not inside the fruit? > > I guess I was also thinking about potatoes? Do they grow seeds? > It has been a long time and I am trying to remember if the plants > will seed out if you leave them. We planted potatoe eyes to get > more potatoes. > > Belinda > > > rawfood , jerushy1944 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Belinda, > > What do you eat that doesn't have seeds? I don't know of anything > I > > eat that doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 They're yummy. Other than that, I don't understand your question. Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , <rbwest01 wrote: > > > > WHAT about pineapples, avocado, mango etc > > robert w > > > jerushy1944 <no_reply > > > 2006/03/06 Mon PM 03:57:29 EST > > rawfood > > Re: [Raw Food] The Eden Diet > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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